Art 2 wasn't always a useless c***

[CKSteeler]

For as awful as his continued love (it's not even acceptance, that's his boy) for the mediocrity of Mike Tomlin is, there was a time when Art II was the guy behind the scenes who was pushing Cowher. Part of the group that wanted him fired. Told him after 2004 that the time for choking was over and that he had to win it all. No more excuses.

Not going to get into what the differences are, but ponder that the next time someone smugly points out how they stuck with Cowher despite losing seasons and missing the playoffs. Art II was the guy who thought that was once unacceptable. Who demanded more after they went 15-1 with a rookie QB and lost in the AFCCG to a dynasty. During those lean years rumors swirled about Cowher to Cleveland or that he'd just be fired.

And despite it being well known history to anyone who follows this team, his family once forced Chuck Noll out. They didn't fire him. They sat him down and told him it was time to hang them up because it wasn't working anymore.

The Rooney's were always patient and gave coaches chances, but it's a myth that they've never been willing to move on from a coach. They did it with someone who meant far more to the organization than Tomlin ever will in Noll and threatened to do it with Cowher. The 3 coaches in however many years talk has taken on a life of its own and seemingly become the end goal of this organization when before it was just a product of sustained success. Art II at some point became far more interested in the mythology of his franchise rather than the reality. It's why he traded Santonio Holmes for peanuts and almost moved Roethlisberger in one off-season while his dad helped a key defender get off after shooting bullets at a police helicopter.

Seeing the media smugly cite the Steelers patience and use it against them and its fans to defend this asshole is maybe the most condescending bullshit in all of sports. You can't fire Tomlin because the Steelers don't fire coaches. It's circular reasoning. Self-fulfilling bullshit that somehow Art II has bought into despite having a front row seat to them forcing out Chuck fucking Noll and threatening to do the same with Cowher.

Tomlin has never so much as had to sweat over his job security. That isn't the Steelers way.

[CoolShades]

I wonder how much (if any) pressure Rooney and the Steelers are getting from the NFL on this? I’d like to think it would be zero, but for a league that keeps painting “End Racism” and “It Takes All Of Us” in their end zones, who really knows?

There is no business reason to keep this charade alive. At least from the Steelers perspective. In fact, based on the Buffalo game, the tide has turned and it is clear that this may actually begin to start costing the Rooney’s money. Fans are universally pissed and that was an outpouring of pent up frustration and anger.

Fans of ALL stripes are now calling for his head. It’s everywhere.

Will the NFL help orchestrate Coach Obama’s exit? I’m sure they’d hate to see this get ugly.

[franco>madden]

Wait .... did you say ... "Cowher to Cleveland," and in bold font yet?



(Just for old time's sake and all)

[CKSteeler]

if you want a real blast from the past, Still Mill is still doing his thing. I wonder if he pines for the days of Cowher and Gildong at this point like the rest of us? He's kind of the perfect voice for this era of Steeler football only he's always had that voice no matter what.

His grades actually seem kind of high given what actually transpired. The standard really is the standard and it's far lower than it used to be.

One man ranting into the void on his 1997 html website on how badly the Tomlin era sucks.

[SteelerDayTrader]

False

[rooneytunes]

if you want a real blast from the past, Still Mill is still doing his thing. I wonder if he pines for the days of Cowher and Gildong at this point like the rest of us? He's kind of the perfect voice for this era of Steeler football only he's always had that voice no matter what.

His grades actually seem kind of high given what actually transpired. The standard really is the standard and it's far lower than it used to be.

One man ranting into the void on his 1997 html website on how badly the Tomlin era sucks.

Holy shit!!Stillers.com is still a thing? Man that brings me back. I had no clue. Doesn't look like the message board part works so is it just for articles?

I go back to the Wild Wild West/Sodom and Gomorrah days of the Steelers.com message board. That place was a freaking Balls Out acid trip before it finally shut down. Shout out to PimplyDan!!!!!.........Stillers.com was one of the places I landed while lost in the forrest searching for another home and found this place.

[RealSwiss]

I wonder how much (if any) pressure Rooney and the Steelers are getting from the NFL on this? I’d like to think it would be zero, but for a league that keeps painting “End Racism” and “It Takes All Of Us” in their end zones, who really knows?

There is no business reason to keep this charade alive. At least from the Steelers perspective. In fact, based on the Buffalo game, the tide has turned and it is clear that this may actually begin to start costing the Rooney’s money. Fans are universally pissed and that was an outpouring of pent up frustration and anger.

Fans of ALL stripes are now calling for his head. It’s everywhere.

Will the NFL help orchestrate Coach Obama’s exit? I’m sure they’d hate to see this get ugly.

I don't know how important the Rooney Rule is to the team. Or even how or why Dan latched on to the idea. Why did he feel so strongly? I know he was a big Obama supporter so maybe he's just wired that way. But the idea that the NFL might be pressuring has crossed my mind also. I briefly even considered that there might be some behind the scenes revenue sharing or "bonuses" even. The majority of players are black and the NFL can't ignore that reality. For them it is a business decision.

Personally, I don't think the Steelers hire Tomlin or keep him so long without the "Rooney" aspect to the rule. Maybe there is some unspoken family agreement or something deep with other investors. Who knows.

An interesting aspect is that firing Tomlin would mean there are less black head coaches now then when the Rooney Rule went into effect.

[Charles Demarr]

My only question....Cuck or Cunt?

[SteelerDayTrader]

if you want a real blast from the past, Still Mill is still doing his thing. I wonder if he pines for the days of Cowher and Gildong at this point like the rest of us? He's kind of the perfect voice for this era of Steeler football only he's always had that voice no matter what.

His grades actually seem kind of high given what actually transpired. The standard really is the standard and it's far lower than it used to be.

One man ranting into the void on his 1997 html website on how badly the Tomlin era sucks.

Holy shit!!Stillers.com is still a thing? Man that brings me back. I had no clue. Doesn't look like the message board part works so is it just for articles?

I go back to the Wild Wild West/Sodom and Gomorrah days of the Steelers.com message board. That place was a freaking Balls Out acid trip before it finally shut down. Shout out to PimplyDan!!!!!.........Stillers.com was one of the places I landed while lost in the forrest searching for another home and found this place.

False

[anpsteel]

I wonder how much (if any) pressure Rooney and the Steelers are getting from the NFL on this? I’d like to think it would be zero, but for a league that keeps painting “End Racism” and “It Takes All Of Us” in their end zones, who really knows?

There is no business reason to keep this charade alive. At least from the Steelers perspective. In fact, based on the Buffalo game, the tide has turned and it is clear that this may actually begin to start costing the Rooney’s money. Fans are universally pissed and that was an outpouring of pent up frustration and anger.

Fans of ALL stripes are now calling for his head. It’s everywhere.

Will the NFL help orchestrate Coach Obama’s exit? I’m sure they’d hate to see this get ugly.

I don't know how important the Rooney Rule is to the team. Or even how or why Dan latched on to the idea. Why did he feel so strongly? I know he was a big Obama supporter so maybe he's just wired that way. But the idea that the NFL might be pressuring has crossed my mind also. I briefly even considered that there might be some behind the scenes revenue sharing or "bonuses" even. The majority of players are black and the NFL can't ignore that reality. For them it is a business decision.

Personally, I don't think the Steelers hire Tomlin or keep him so long without the "Rooney" aspect to the rule. Maybe there is some unspoken family agreement or something deep with other investors. Who knows.

An interesting aspect is that firing Tomlin would mean there are less black head coaches now then when the Rooney Rule went into effect.

the league and the media need to stop calling it the Rooney rule


Until then, the team will have unreasonable expectations that all future coaches will be minorities. Irrespective of qualifications.

I do agree that the name of the rule plays in to arts unwillingness the fire Tomlin, even if only in small part

He also almost certainly recognizes that he has to hire another minority. So until he believes there is another viable minority candidate, he may be sitting on his hands.

I’m not so sure art has the stones to hire a white guy, with the Rooney rule hanging over him

Keep in mind, I am not suggesting that he should hire a white guy or should not hire a minority. I’m just pointing out the fact that it almost certainly factors into his decision-making.

Hire the best available person

[bradshaw2ben]

Art II at some point became far more interested in the mythology of his franchise rather than the reality.

As I said, they are a tribute band, playing to fans who are so desperate to hear the blast from the past that they'll overlook the fact the band doesn't sound anything like the original.

[jebrick]

Art II at some point became far more interested in the mythology of his franchise rather than the reality.

As I said, they are a tribute band, playing to fans who are so desperate to hear the blast from the past that they'll overlook the fact the band doesn't sound anything like the original.

This. Making decision that do not make football sense but do for NHALS.

[jebrick]

I wonder how much (if any) pressure Rooney and the Steelers are getting from the NFL on this? I’d like to think it would be zero, but for a league that keeps painting “End Racism” and “It Takes All Of Us” in their end zones, who really knows?

There is no business reason to keep this charade alive. At least from the Steelers perspective. In fact, based on the Buffalo game, the tide has turned and it is clear that this may actually begin to start costing the Rooney’s money. Fans are universally pissed and that was an outpouring of pent up frustration and anger.

Fans of ALL stripes are now calling for his head. It’s everywhere.

Will the NFL help orchestrate Coach Obama’s exit? I’m sure they’d hate to see this get ugly.

I don't know how important the Rooney Rule is to the team. Or even how or why Dan latched on to the idea. Why did he feel so strongly? I know he was a big Obama supporter so maybe he's just wired that way. But the idea that the NFL might be pressuring has crossed my mind also. I briefly even considered that there might be some behind the scenes revenue sharing or "bonuses" even. The majority of players are black and the NFL can't ignore that reality. For them it is a business decision.

Personally, I don't think the Steelers hire Tomlin or keep him so long without the "Rooney" aspect to the rule. Maybe there is some unspoken family agreement or something deep with other investors. Who knows.

An interesting aspect is that firing Tomlin would mean there are less black head coaches now then when the Rooney Rule went into effect.

the league and the media need to stop calling it the Rooney rule


Until then, the team will have unreasonable expectations that all future coaches will be minorities. Irrespective of qualifications.

I do agree that the name of the rule plays in to arts unwillingness the fire Tomlin, even if only in small part

He also almost certainly recognizes that he has to hire another minority. So until he believes there is another viable minority candidate, he may be sitting on his hands.

I’m not so sure art has the stones to hire a white guy, with the Rooney rule hanging over him

Keep in mind, I am not suggesting that he should hire a white guy or should not hire a minority. I’m just pointing out the fact that it almost certainly factors into his decision-making.

Hire the best available person

I think they hire a young DC because that is the Steeler secret sauce.

[bradshaw2ben]

I don't know how important the Rooney Rule is to the team. Or even how or why Dan latched on to the idea. Why did he feel so strongly? I know he was a big Obama supporter so maybe he's just wired that way. But the idea that the NFL might be pressuring has crossed my mind also. I briefly even considered that there might be some behind the scenes revenue sharing or "bonuses" even. The majority of players are black and the NFL can't ignore that reality. For them it is a business decision.

Personally, I don't think the Steelers hire Tomlin or keep him so long without the "Rooney" aspect to the rule. Maybe there is some unspoken family agreement or something deep with other investors. Who knows.

An interesting aspect is that firing Tomlin would mean there are less black head coaches now then when the Rooney Rule went into effect.

the league and the media need to stop calling it the Rooney rule


Until then, the team will have unreasonable expectations that all future coaches will be minorities. Irrespective of qualifications.

I do agree that the name of the rule plays in to arts unwillingness the fire Tomlin, even if only in small part

He also almost certainly recognizes that he has to hire another minority. So until he believes there is another viable minority candidate, he may be sitting on his hands.

I’m not so sure art has the stones to hire a white guy, with the Rooney rule hanging over him

Keep in mind, I am not suggesting that he should hire a white guy or should not hire a minority. I’m just pointing out the fact that it almost certainly factors into his decision-making.

Hire the best available person

I think they hire a young DC because that is the Steeler secret sauce.

It's not my preference, but if they insist on a defensive guy, he has to be paired with an terrific offensive mind who operates with 100% independence.

[anpsteel]

the league and the media need to stop calling it the Rooney rule


Until then, the team will have unreasonable expectations that all future coaches will be minorities. Irrespective of qualifications.

I do agree that the name of the rule plays in to arts unwillingness the fire Tomlin, even if only in small part

He also almost certainly recognizes that he has to hire another minority. So until he believes there is another viable minority candidate, he may be sitting on his hands.

I’m not so sure art has the stones to hire a white guy, with the Rooney rule hanging over him

Keep in mind, I am not suggesting that he should hire a white guy or should not hire a minority. I’m just pointing out the fact that it almost certainly factors into his decision-making.

Hire the best available person

I think they hire a young DC because that is the Steeler secret sauce.

It's not my preference, but if they insist on a defensive guy, he has to be paired with an terrific offensive mind who operates with 100% independence.

Yeah- if that is how they want to move forward.

Hopefully they wake up to "modern" football and go the other path

[jeemie]

Art II at some point became far more interested in the mythology of his franchise rather than the reality.

As I said, they are a tribute band, playing to fans who are so desperate to hear the blast from the past that they'll overlook the fact the band doesn't sound anything like the original.

This is an insult to tribute bands.

[gojira5150]

if you want a real blast from the past, Still Mill is still doing his thing. I wonder if he pines for the days of Cowher and Gildong at this point like the rest of us? He's kind of the perfect voice for this era of Steeler football only he's always had that voice no matter what.

His grades actually seem kind of high given what actually transpired. The standard really is the standard and it's far lower than it used to be.

One man ranting into the void on his 1997 html website on how badly the Tomlin era sucks.

On Mondays after a Steelers game, the 1st place I go is Stillers and read Still Mill perspective of the game. He's so spot on. I love his breakdowns of Scam, Lowsmith, Artie, Austin & Jibba.

[bradshaw2ben]

Art II at some point became far more interested in the mythology of his franchise rather than the reality.

As I said, they are a tribute band, playing to fans who are so desperate to hear the blast from the past that they'll overlook the fact the band doesn't sound anything like the original.

This is an insult to tribute bands.

IDK. I saw a prominent Zeppelin tribute band recently and it was... like they weren't even really trying.

But, point taken.

[Ice]

Even the original bands past a certain vintage are essentially just tribute bands at this point.

[Dan Smith--BYU]

There have been something like 55 Temptations.

If I saw Led Zeppelin, I wouldn't be pissed at all if Plant dropped the songs a half octave to save his voice like Joni Mitchell did. If that allowed him to sing live rather than lip sync like so many bands do.

A Zeppelin cover band, I would expect the original high register.

It's not like the original bands are even trying to be authentic either. The Eagles got busted big time for lip synching by Wings of Pegasus.

[K_C_]

if you want a real blast from the past, Still Mill is still doing his thing. I wonder if he pines for the days of Cowher and Gildong at this point like the rest of us? He's kind of the perfect voice for this era of Steeler football only he's always had that voice no matter what.

His grades actually seem kind of high given what actually transpired. The standard really is the standard and it's far lower than it used to be.

One man ranting into the void on his 1997 html website on how badly the Tomlin era sucks.

My original handle was Kill Cowher.

Jesus Christ was that a mistake and I still have many issues with Cowher, but my God did I fuck up.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Useless cunts = The Chief, Deuce

Way overrated. Mostly rode one of the best ever QBs coattails and fucked that up regularly and consistently = Noll, Cowher, and Tomlin

Solid contributor to the Steelers success. Far far better than The Chief, Deuce, Noll, Cowher or Tomlin = Dan, Bill Nunn, Dan’s brothers, particularly; Art Jr. Numerous players of different eras.

Far and away the biggest reason for all the glory years of the Steelers without anyone else even close = Bradshaw, Roethlisberger, Arians.

[955876]

if you want a real blast from the past, Still Mill is still doing his thing. I wonder if he pines for the days of Cowher and Gildong at this point like the rest of us? He's kind of the perfect voice for this era of Steeler football only he's always had that voice no matter what.

His grades actually seem kind of high given what actually transpired. The standard really is the standard and it's far lower than it used to be.

One man ranting into the void on his 1997 html website on how badly the Tomlin era sucks.

My original handle was Kill Cowher.

Jesus Christ was that a mistake and I still have many issues with Cowher, but my God did I fuck up.

While Cowher did have his warts, Jibbs has all those same warts, multiplies them x100, and then adds a shit load of additional warts.

Man, when Russ Grimm said he knew when to call time outs the Steelers should have listened. I think he was finding a non-aggressive way of saying the diversity Rooney Rule box checker they’ve also been interviewing is one stupid fuck.

Look at us now.

[cop1211]

If it happens, I can see them going with the Notre Dame coach.

[ZULA]

Hey guys… Been a long time lurker here since the Stillers days back in 01 I think.
Time sure goes by fast. Who can forget KC’s battles with RON on the old site; I wonder what happened to RON.
Even the trolls were hilarious. Who remembers Switz or Bengalsin05? That site was sure to bring some comic relief after a bad loss..

[K_C_]

Hey guys… Been a long time lurker here since the Stillers days back in 01 I think.
Time sure goes by fast. Who can forget KC’s battles with RON on the old site; I wonder what happened to RON.
Even the trolls were hilarious. Who remembers Switz or Bengalsin05? That site was sure to bring some comic relief after a bad loss..

RON’s fine. We’re Facebook friends and he’s a good dude.

Shit always got taken way too seriously and too far back in the old days (especially by me) but a lot of it was hilarious too to look back on.

[swissvale72]

Hey guys… Been a long time lurker here since the Stillers days back in 01 I think.
Time sure goes by fast. Who can forget KC’s battles with RON on the old site; I wonder what happened to RON.
Even the trolls were hilarious. Who remembers Switz or Bengalsin05? That site was sure to bring some comic relief after a bad loss..

RON’s fine. We’re Facebook friends and he’s a good dude.

Shit always got taken way too seriously and too far back in the old days (especially by me) but a lot of it was hilarious too to look back on.

I'm FB friends with Ron as well. We always argue with her best pizza… New Haven or Vincent. His son is a good ball player.

[ZULA]

Hey guys… Been a long time lurker here since the Stillers days back in 01 I think.
Time sure goes by fast. Who can forget KC’s battles with RON on the old site; I wonder what happened to RON.
Even the trolls were hilarious. Who remembers Switz or Bengalsin05? That site was sure to bring some comic relief after a bad loss..

RON’s fine. We’re Facebook friends and he’s a good dude.

Shit always got taken way too seriously and too far back in the old days (especially by me) but a lot of it was hilarious too to look back on.

Glad to hear RON is doing well!
I can definitely remember some epic meltdowns I think during the 2003 season. Sometimes the shit got out of hand, but it was still funny as hell!

[rooneytunes]

https://www.reddit.com/r/steelers/comme ... pimplydan/

[Dan Smith--BYU]

The nineties/aughts were a silver age, not a golden age like the seventies. '98 '99 '03,'06 were actually pretty bad. A lot of disappointments especially the SD AFC loss, the Denver loss, the NE losses etc. I am watching the Netflix special on the 90s Cowboys and it's still a gutpunch to realize the Steelers had the ball with four minutes and down 20-17 in that SB.

A silver age just like the Niners had a golden age with Montana and a silver age with Young.