Tomlin's ranking amongst head coaches...

[Legacy User]

Just for giggles I asked 3 close friends who follow the NFL but aren't Steelers fans to guess Tomlin's ranking.

All 3 guessed he would be below average...one said 20, one said 21 and one said 26.

Small sample size, but I don't think Tomlin is viewed as an elite (i.e. the 6th best coach) by many non-Steelers fans.

I hear you that is why I posted the article. It surprised me a national unbiased ESPN writer ranked Tomlin tied for 6th.

Why would that surprise you?

Super Bowl ring and another SB. Took an 8-8 team he inherited to the playoffs the following year.

That already puts him in the Top 10 in terms of results among active coaches. Objectively, there is no reason to exclude him from the top 1/3, and the only real question ought to be "is that good enough"?

Trashing him just shows who is really biased.

I never trashed Tomlin it's just national writers tend to rate people on a what have you done for me lately basis. I was surprised he was still that high after back to back 8-8 seasons. I actually think he is a good young coach who has had some growing pains. I mean he inherited a good team so he had to ride it out and take them to another level. I have more of a problem with Colbert's draft/personnel decisions over the last 5 years.

[jeemie]

I have more of a problem with Colbert's draft/personnel decisions over the last 5 years.

And in your estimation Tomlin is not involved in these decisions at all and therefore has no accountability?

[Legacy User]

Arians was getting Ben killed. He did the same to Luck. The FO people decided thry wanted to keep Ben playing as long as possible. Everybody forgets that it took 25 years to replace Bradshaw. Tomlin understood that the best interests of theSteelers would be served to get in an OC that was more interested in protecting the QB.

Tomlin has brain farts during games. Agreed. But he has such a strong ego that he doesn't hesitate to bring back a Joey Porter (who he got rid of) because he believes it will help his young OLB.

[jeemie]

Arians was getting Ben killed. He did the same to Luck. The FO people decided thry wanted to keep Ben playing as long as possible. Everybody forgets that it took 25 years to replace Bradshaw. Tomlin understood that the best interests of theSteelers would be served to get in an OC that was more interested in protecting the QB.

Tomlin has brain farts during games. Agreed. But he has such a strong ego that he doesn't hesitate to bring back a Joey Porter (who he got rid of) because he believes it will help his young OLB.

So yet another one who believes that Tomlin "got rid of" Porter as opposed to the front office getting salary cap relief releasing a downward trending player since they were not going to sign him to his C$3, I see.

[Legacy User]

I also believe that Porter demanding a huge salary was the key issue.

However, I also believe Tomlin agreed with moving on.

[jeemie]

I also believe that Porter demanding a huge salary was the key issue.

However, I also believe Tomlin agreed with moving on.

But I do not believe there was some potential ego clash between them so that Tomlin was sending a message that this was his team by letting Porter go.

So I read nothing into Tomlin having him come back that tells me anything about his ego.

And while I agree that Ben needed to start learning to be more prudent in his gunslinging, and that Arians wasn't going to have him do it, bringing in Haley and his simplistic safe offense was throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

[Legacy User]

Arians was getting Ben killed. He did the same to Luck. The FO people decided thry wanted to keep Ben playing as long as possible. Everybody forgets that it took 25 years to replace Bradshaw. Tomlin understood that the best interests of theSteelers would be served to get in an OC that was more interested in protecting the QB.

Tomlin has brain farts during games. Agreed. But he has such a strong ego that he doesn't hesitate to bring back a Joey Porter (who he got rid of) because he believes it will help his young OLB.

So yet another one who believes that Tomlin "got rid of" Porter as opposed to the front office getting salary cap relief releasing a downward trending player since they were not going to sign him to his C$3, I see.

He wasn't even a FA, so stop

He was cut because his production didn't match his salary. The year prior he didn't have a sack vs a winning team. Not enough of a contribution to justify the cap number. And finally someone (Mike Tomlin) had the foresight to see who lay in waiting behind him on the depth chart.

Add that to the fact that making a splash like that showed he came in and meant business, that he was the boss. Same concept with Parcells cutting Emmitt Smith, Cowher cutting Louis Lipps.

[jeemie]

Arians was getting Ben killed. He did the same to Luck. The FO people decided thry wanted to keep Ben playing as long as possible. Everybody forgets that it took 25 years to replace Bradshaw. Tomlin understood that the best interests of theSteelers would be served to get in an OC that was more interested in protecting the QB.

Tomlin has brain farts during games. Agreed. But he has such a strong ego that he doesn't hesitate to bring back a Joey Porter (who he got rid of) because he believes it will help his young OLB.

So yet another one who believes that Tomlin "got rid of" Porter as opposed to the front office getting salary cap relief releasing a downward trending player since they were not going to sign him to his C$3, I see.

He wasn't even a FA, so stop

He was cut because his production didn't match his salary. The year prior he didn't have a sack vs a winning team. Not enough of a contribution to justify the cap number. And finally someone (Mike Tomlin) had the foresight to see who lay in waiting behind him on the depth chart.

Add that to the fact that making a splash like that showed he came in and meant business, that he was the boss. Same concept with Parcells cutting Emmitt Smith, Cowher cutting Louis Lipps.

It was a FO move, not a Tomlin "splash move".

Colbert said so at the time.

Do I have to pull the quote up again?

They tried to trade him, and then let him go when there were no takers so he could try and find a team to play for.

No "bold move".

[bradshaw2ben]

It was a FO move, not a Tomlin "splash move".

Colbert said so at the time.

Do I have to pull the quote up again?

They tried to trade him, and then let him go when there were no takers so he could try and find a team to play for.

No "bold move".

but but but Mike Tomlin has a say in every FO move, or so I hear

[jeemie]

It was a FO move, not a Tomlin "splash move".

Colbert said so at the time.

Do I have to pull the quote up again?

They tried to trade him, and then let him go when there were no takers so he could try and find a team to play for.

No "bold move".

but but but Mike Tomlin has a say in every FO move, or so I hear

I'm guessing not so much in 2007.

[Gonzo]

Yikes.

[Legacy User]

It was a FO move, not a Tomlin "splash move".

Colbert said so at the time.

Do I have to pull the quote up again?

They tried to trade him, and then let him go when there were no takers so he could try and find a team to play for.

No "bold move".

but but but Mike Tomlin has a say in every FO move, or so I hear

I'm guessing not so much in 2007.

Joey was FOB and somewhat embarrassingly so at least to Bill on national TV. So Bill wasnt going to let Peezy go even though the 2nd stringer was a revelation when he got his chance. Money and production wise it was a no brainer and a potted plant would had made the same exact move. Ironically we haven't had the same traditional 3-4 plug and plug at linebacker since.