FIRE MIKE TOMLIN NOW!

[RemoAZ]

Funny thread, they don't understand the situation with Rooneys, but funny none the less

https://saintsreport.com/threads/some-s ... ng.517716/

There are owners that are as clueless about him as most of the people in that thread are. Another reason he'd fetch draft picks in a trade. Problem is he has the Rooneys as fooled as everyone else.

[Obviously]

They’ve drafted poorly for years. Luxury picks and underachievers. Look at their first-round choices since 2018: Terrell Edmunds, Devin Bush, Najee Harris, Kenny Pickett, Broderick Jones, Troy Fautanu.

[DumlinBumlinStumlin]

This has been discussed here but put tomlins name into the exempt list. You know because NAHLS

https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/353 ... e-employed

[bradshaw2ben]

His best year was 2016 when the Steelers had Ben, Brown, Bell and Bryant. They had a great team that year and he couldn't do it. They got smoked in the AFC Championship game. I mean it wasn't even close. He could coach the chiefs right now and they would probably lose their first playoff game.

They didn't have Bryant in the 2016 AFCC game. Bryant was suspended for the entire 2016 season for Marijuana use. It really screwed the Steelers because they had a ton of injuries at WR that year. The Steelers started Cobi Hamilton opposite of AB in that AFCC game. Bryant might have made a difference in that game, but I doubt it- the Pats were moving the ball at will, the lacrosse player had 200 yards receiving. Belichick had Tomlin's number.

The only playoff game in which all of the "Killer Bs" played was the 2017 divisional game against the Jags where the offense scored 42 points but that wasn't enough for the vaunted Tomlin defense against the legendary Blake Bortles Jags. Tomlin flowed that up with the 2018 collapse where the Steelers went from 7-2-1 and the first seed to out of the playoffs, despite finally beating the Patriots. Tomlin should have been fired after 2018

You guys are talking about the same season. 2016 season, playoff game was in january 2017.

[W&M_Steeler]

His best year was 2016 when the Steelers had Ben, Brown, Bell and Bryant. They had a great team that year and he couldn't do it. They got smoked in the AFC Championship game. I mean it wasn't even close. He could coach the chiefs right now and they would probably lose their first playoff game.

They didn't have Bryant in the 2016 AFCC game. Bryant was suspended for the entire 2016 season for Marijuana use. It really screwed the Steelers because they had a ton of injuries at WR that year. The Steelers started Cobi Hamilton opposite of AB in that AFCC game. Bryant might have made a difference in that game, but I doubt it- the Pats were moving the ball at will, the lacrosse player had 200 yards receiving. Belichick had Tomlin's number.

The only playoff game in which all of the "Killer Bs" played was the 2017 divisional game against the Jags where the offense scored 42 points but that wasn't enough for the vaunted Tomlin defense against the legendary Blake Bortles Jags. Tomlin flowed that up with the 2018 collapse where the Steelers went from 7-2-1 and the first seed to out of the playoffs, despite finally beating the Patriots. Tomlin should have been fired after 2018

You guys are talking about the same season. 2016 season, playoff game was in january 2017.

No, we're talking about 2 different seasons.

2016 season, the Steelers made the AFCC game and were destroyed by the Pats, but they didn't have Bryant because he was suspended for the entire 2016 season.

2017 season, the Steelers lost to the Jags at home in the Divisional Round. That was the only playoff game in which all of the "Killer Bs" played together. They scored 42 points but still lost.

[bradshaw2ben]

They didn't have Bryant in the 2016 AFCC game. Bryant was suspended for the entire 2016 season for Marijuana use. It really screwed the Steelers because they had a ton of injuries at WR that year. The Steelers started Cobi Hamilton opposite of AB in that AFCC game. Bryant might have made a difference in that game, but I doubt it- the Pats were moving the ball at will, the lacrosse player had 200 yards receiving. Belichick had Tomlin's number.

The only playoff game in which all of the "Killer Bs" played was the 2017 divisional game against the Jags where the offense scored 42 points but that wasn't enough for the vaunted Tomlin defense against the legendary Blake Bortles Jags. Tomlin flowed that up with the 2018 collapse where the Steelers went from 7-2-1 and the first seed to out of the playoffs, despite finally beating the Patriots. Tomlin should have been fired after 2018

You guys are talking about the same season. 2016 season, playoff game was in january 2017.

No, we're talking about 2 different seasons.

2016 season, the Steelers made the AFCC game and were destroyed by the Pats, but they didn't have Bryant because he was suspended for the entire 2016 season.

2017 season, the Steelers lost to the Jags at home in the Divisional Round. That was the only playoff game in which all of the "Killer Bs" played together. They scored 42 points but still lost.

Ah, yes. Never post before coffee.

They did have AB, Bell, & Ben for the 2016 game vs Miami that they won convincingly. Bryant was suspended that year, though.

[anpsteel]

It is dumbfounding that the Killer B era team won exactly nothing.


The defense was iffy, but that offense was possibly in the top 10-20 of the most talented in the history of the league

and with the exception of the Air Coryell Chargers and the 90s K Gun Bills, the most talented to not win a championship, imo

[cop1211]

https://youtu.be/ZDSmWBOilcM?si=kmBCdh05vpHImd0K

Tomlin defenders please watch.

[DumlinBumlinStumlin]

https://youtu.be/ZDSmWBOilcM?si=kmBCdh05vpHImd0K

Tomlin defenders please watch.

Cop 2 pages back sir but spread that around.

http://forumsnew.sportsandshit.com/view ... 47#p823047

[W&M_Steeler]

It is dumbfounding that the Killer B era team won exactly nothing.


The defense was iffy, but that offense was possibly in the top 10-20 of the most talented in the history of the league

and with the exception of the Air Coryell Chargers and the 90s K Gun Bills, the most talented to not win a championship, imo

No way to ever prove it, but I bet Andy Reid would have won a Super Bowl or two in the 2014-2018 window had the Steelers hired him in 2013.

[anpsteel]

I'm seeing a bunch of articles that appear to be attempting to divert the blame for the past three games, to the players.

I have no doubt that the players' performance is a huge component, but the media is letting Tomlin and the coaching staff off the hook... again.


what a bunch of muppets

[Dan Smith--BYU]

"It is dumbfounding that the Killer B era team won exactly nothing."

It is even more startling that they weren't even competitive with the Patriots who had less talent.

Say what you want about Cowher but he got to the AFCC many times with mediocre offenses.

[Deebo]

I'm seeing a bunch of articles that appear to be attempting to divert the blame for the past three games, to the players.

I have no doubt that the players' performance is a huge component, but the media is letting Tomlin and the coaching staff off the hook... again.


what a bunch of muppets

The only constant for almost 20 years hardly gets any blame. It's fucking amazing (in a not good way)

[anpsteel]

I'm seeing a bunch of articles that appear to be attempting to divert the blame for the past three games, to the players.

I have no doubt that the players' performance is a huge component, but the media is letting Tomlin and the coaching staff off the hook... again.


what a bunch of muppets

The only constant for almost 20 years hardly gets any blame. It's fucking amazing (in a not good way)

I really can’t believe he rolled Russ under the bus on that interception

Should Russ have seen that safety playing inside? Absolutely

But Pickens making no effort to pull the defender to the sideline with his route as pretty lame, and an all too common problem with him. Complete lack of effort if 5e ball isn’t coming his way

[anpsteel]

It is dumbfounding that the Killer B era team won exactly nothing.


The defense was iffy, but that offense was possibly in the top 10-20 of the most talented in the history of the league

and with the exception of the Air Coryell Chargers and the 90s K Gun Bills, the most talented to not win a championship, imo

No way to ever prove it, but I bet Andy Reid would have won a Super Bowl or two in the 2014-2018 window had the Steelers hired him in 2013.

I’d go along with that

[langer]

You notice some teams are getting stronger and sharpening their iron against iron and shit like that.

Not Coach Mike's JV squad.

He's telling everyone his guys are worthless and can't do anything. Then he forces Sutton out there. I don't recall Sutton be forced to go to a re-education camp after whatever the hell he did.

Master Motivator.

[anpsteel]

I'm seeing a bunch of articles that appear to be attempting to divert the blame for the past three games, to the players.

I have no doubt that the players' performance is a huge component, but the media is letting Tomlin and the coaching staff off the hook... again.


what a bunch of muppets

The only constant for almost 20 years hardly gets any blame. It's fucking amazing (in a not good way)

I really can’t believe he rolled Russ under the bus on that interception

Should Russ have seen that safety playing inside? Absolutely

But Pickens making no effort to pull the defender to the sideline with his route as pretty lame, and an all too common problem with him. Complete lack of effort if 5e ball isn’t coming his way

Ben even threw some shade, saying that interception was 90% on Pickens for not running the route

[Steelafan77]

Seems like other nfl fans see Steelers fans as crybabies. With our Fire Tomlin decrees.

I’ve repeatedly broken down the fraudlin statistics only to be told,…. We’ll take ‘em or Tomlin will be employed in days…

To which I scratch my head and say, Good Bye?!!

Mike Tomlin: “Steelers motivated to get rid of 'stench' of three-game skid in season finale vs. Bengals“
https://www.nfl.com/news/mike-tomlin-st ... vs-bengals

[DumlinBumlinStumlin]

The stench in the room is Tomlin, Festering, lingering, getting more smelly each week, each passing year

[.Kodiak]

,…. We’ll take ‘em or Tomlin will be employed in days…

But the thing is, if NFL owners and coaches thought remotely highly of Tomlin, wouldn't they be falling over themselves to poach and promote his assistants?

Isn't that why we have coaching trees? If you can't hire the guy, then you at least hire someone in his orbit hoping to catch lightning in a bottle. Unless that guy is a fraud, then you probably stay away....

[Professor Half Wit]

It is dumbfounding that the Killer B era team won exactly nothing.


The defense was iffy, but that offense was possibly in the top 10-20 of the most talented in the history of the league

and with the exception of the Air Coryell Chargers and the 90s K Gun Bills, the most talented to not win a championship, imo

I got off the Tomlin train after the '18 divisional loss to Jax. That was it for me. 42 points and lost to a Blake Bortles offense.

[W&M_Steeler]

It is dumbfounding that the Killer B era team won exactly nothing.


The defense was iffy, but that offense was possibly in the top 10-20 of the most talented in the history of the league

and with the exception of the Air Coryell Chargers and the 90s K Gun Bills, the most talented to not win a championship, imo

I got off the Tomlin train after the '18 divisional loss to Jax. That was it for me. 42 points and lost to a Blake Bortles offense.

Someone here was blaming Ben for that loss a few weeks ago because Ben threw an interception giving Jags a short field for one drive and also lost a fumble that was run back for a TD. Apparently 469 yards and 5 TDs just wasn't enough to give Ben any credit, as the Tomlin defense couldn't reasonably have been expected to hold the Blake Bortles juggernaut offense to under 38 points.

That Jags loss is also one reason why I think Cam Heyward is overrated. Cam has done nothing in the playoffs his entire career and has been on the field for only 1 Steeler playoff win- remember, Cam was on IR in 2016 when the Steelers made the AFCC game. He was at his peak during that Jags game but did nothing, just like the rest of that defense (which was fairly talented even without Shazier).

[Professor Half Wit]

It is dumbfounding that the Killer B era team won exactly nothing.


The defense was iffy, but that offense was possibly in the top 10-20 of the most talented in the history of the league

and with the exception of the Air Coryell Chargers and the 90s K Gun Bills, the most talented to not win a championship, imo

I got off the Tomlin train after the '18 divisional loss to Jax. That was it for me. 42 points and lost to a Blake Bortles offense.

Someone here was blaming Ben for that loss a few weeks ago because Ben threw an interception giving Jags a short field for one drive and also lost a fumble that was run back for a TD. Apparently 469 yards and 5 TDs just wasn't enough to give Ben any credit, as the Tomlin defense couldn't reasonably have been expected to hold the Blake Bortles juggernaut offense to under 38 points.

That Jags loss is also one reason why I think Cam Heyward is overrated. Cam has done nothing in the playoffs his entire career and has been on the field for only 1 Steeler playoff win- remember, Cam was on IR in 2016 when the Steelers made the AFCC game. He was at his peak during that Jags game but did nothing, just like the rest of that defense (which was fairly talented even without Shazier).

That someone is likely 95.

That was an all-time performance. AB was tooling the best corner in the league. Bell and the line at their symbiotic peak. Ugh. I believe it was after that loss that B2B started urging the premise that a Tomlin team requires NBA rosters of all-stars at every position to succeed.

I get the complaining about Cam, but I bet he was doubled the entire game and never run at once.

[Dan Smith--BYU]

Franklin the Turtle has now surpassed Tomlin by winning a playoff game.

So he is no longer the "Tomlin of Toftrees".

[W&M_Steeler]

I got off the Tomlin train after the '18 divisional loss to Jax. That was it for me. 42 points and lost to a Blake Bortles offense.

Someone here was blaming Ben for that loss a few weeks ago because Ben threw an interception giving Jags a short field for one drive and also lost a fumble that was run back for a TD. Apparently 469 yards and 5 TDs just wasn't enough to give Ben any credit, as the Tomlin defense couldn't reasonably have been expected to hold the Blake Bortles juggernaut offense to under 38 points.

That Jags loss is also one reason why I think Cam Heyward is overrated. Cam has done nothing in the playoffs his entire career and has been on the field for only 1 Steeler playoff win- remember, Cam was on IR in 2016 when the Steelers made the AFCC game. He was at his peak during that Jags game but did nothing, just like the rest of that defense (which was fairly talented even without Shazier).

That someone is likely 95.

That was an all-time performance. AB was tooling the best corner in the league. Bell and the line at their symbiotic peak. Ugh. I believe it was after that loss that B2B started urging the premise that a Tomlin team requires NBA rosters of all-stars at every position to succeed.

I get the complaining about Cam, but I bet he was doubled the entire game and never run at once.

Actually, it was Pabst who was blaming Ben (arguing that "Big Ben absolutely fucked his team over" in the game): viewtopic.php?f=2&t=23638&p=813022&hili ... es#p813022

I totally agree with your take on the offense that day. It was an all-timer, with all of the Killer Bs and even rookie JuJu contributing. That was a Super Bowl champion caliber offense, and the defense was talented enough even without Shazier that it shouldn't have been a liability. My interpretation of that game is that Tomlin & co. overlooked the Jags to focus on the Patriots and effectively turned the Jags game into a trap game for the Steelers.

As for Cam, I'm sure he was double-teamed at times, but the rest of the D-Line was pretty good that year (Tuitt, Alualu, Hargrave), and the OLBs were also decent (Dupree, rookie Watt), and Vince Williams was at ILB, so you'd think someone else could have made a play if the Jags were focused entirely on containing and avoiding Cam. I know that Sean Spence was bad, but his play doesn't excuse the rest of the defense's pathetic performance that day. Besides, you'd think that Cam could beat a double-team on occasion in the playoffs if he were truly a Hall of Fame level player.

Cam has failed to produce in the playoffs throughout his career (his playoff stats are shockingly bad: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... ywCa01.htm). I don't think opponent game planning is a sufficient explanation. I wonder if Cam is just worn out by the time January comes around due to the Tomlin style of winning every game ugly with defense. Either that, or he's a big game choker- or possibly a combination of both. But while Cam had the superior regular season career, I'd take Brett Keisel's playoff performances over Cam's any day.

[anpsteel]

I got off the Tomlin train after the '18 divisional loss to Jax. That was it for me. 42 points and lost to a Blake Bortles offense.

Someone here was blaming Ben for that loss a few weeks ago because Ben threw an interception giving Jags a short field for one drive and also lost a fumble that was run back for a TD. Apparently 469 yards and 5 TDs just wasn't enough to give Ben any credit, as the Tomlin defense couldn't reasonably have been expected to hold the Blake Bortles juggernaut offense to under 38 points.

That Jags loss is also one reason why I think Cam Heyward is overrated. Cam has done nothing in the playoffs his entire career and has been on the field for only 1 Steeler playoff win- remember, Cam was on IR in 2016 when the Steelers made the AFCC game. He was at his peak during that Jags game but did nothing, just like the rest of that defense (which was fairly talented even without Shazier).

That someone is likely 95.

That was an all-time performance. AB was tooling the best corner in the league. Bell and the line at their symbiotic peak. Ugh. I believe it was after that loss that B2B started urging the premise that a Tomlin team requires NBA rosters of all-stars at every position to succeed.

I get the complaining about Cam, but I bet he was doubled the entire game and never run at once.

Iirc, Jacksonville was one of the first teams to consistently run on the Steelers out of passing personnel groups

Pass on them out of run packages and run out of passing packages

Taking advantage of the inherent deficiencies of the Steelers defensive Base and Nickel personnel

[Steelafan77]

,…. We’ll take ‘em or Tomlin will be employed in days…

But the thing is, if NFL owners and coaches thought remotely highly of Tomlin, wouldn't they be falling over themselves to poach and promote his assistants?

Isn't that why we have coaching trees? If you can't hire the guy, then you at least hire someone in his orbit hoping to catch lightning in a bottle. Unless that guy is a fraud, then you probably stay away....

Non-sarca….. Love the rhetorical stuff .Kodiak.

Longtime Steeler fans understand why.

Fraudlin is the most feckless head coach we’ve ever seen in Pittsburgh.

There are former players in coaching doing as good if not better coaching than any fraudlin underling.

The two coaches preceding fraudlin left huge shoes to fill.

Fraudlin is a failure regardless of nhals stat.

[DumlinBumlinStumlin]

and to that the NFL puts out this narrative around Tomlin and the Stoolers and his mastery of NAHLS.

No coaching trees, not learning, or getting better, just massive check the box regression!!!

[.Kodiak]

NHALS and the late season collapses are related.

I think Tomlin runs ultra-conservative and relatively simple schemes. Early in the year, they execute at a higher level than teams learning more complex designs. But later in the year, those other teams have become more fundamentally sound in a scheme that gets more out of the talent.

Tomlin gets away with this because he's the only coach in the league that doesn't have a mandate to win playoff games. That allows him to take a high floor with his schemes, and be a little less mediocre than average. But a "high floor" isn't taking them anywhere in the playoffs.

[DumlinBumlinStumlin]

NHALS and the late season collapses are related.

I think Tomlin runs ultra-conservative and relatively simple schemes. Early in the year, they execute at a higher level than teams learning more complex designs. But later in the year, those other teams have become more fundamentally sound in a scheme that gets more out of the talent.

Tomlin gets away with this because he's the only coach in the league that doesn't have a mandate to win playoff games. That allows him to take a high floor with his schemes, and be a little less mediocre than average. But a "high floor" isn't taking them anywhere in the playoffs.

He does have a mandate this year, soft one albiet.....let see what occurs in the following 2 weeks