Great. Pouncy

[Legacy User]

Well we'll find out in what seems like a million years when the bullets start flying. If Pouncey goes limping off with sore ankles ........ Then will come his pronouncements that he'll be ready next week, every week.

If that happens, then I'll be ragging him with the rest, and ragging on the Steelers as well.

I prefer to wait for such things to actually...you know...HAPPEN.

Just like I will not rag on Pouncey for partying it up for his birthday, or call it a serious issue with the team until such point as it actually...you know...IS one.

Well it actually happened in the past every time he missed time, so we'll see.

SBI is it doesn't happen, but fool me once.....

[Mick]

Running the numbers prior to a contract offer, you have to think about risk factors. I'm not mad at pouncey for missing 2 games in 2011. But it would affect my Risk Factor spreadsheet. I'm not mad at him for partying. But it will be in my spreadsheet as well.

How do we know the FO didn't consider this and decide they still were OK with giving him what they gave him?

I'm not going to say I agree with what they gave him as a contract- but neither do i think what they gave him was so wildly bad that the whole team is going to fall down.

hyperbole. One bad contract is not going to destroy a team; by cap hit, woodley is one of our highest paid players this season. Life goes on.

I happen to think pouncey's deal is a good deal for us assuming he fully recovers and assuming he stays healthy moving forward. But gambling is always profitable assuming you don't lose. We should have gotten a discount for recovery risk, a discount for injury track record, and another discount for him getting his deal a year ahead of hitting the market, moving 2014 injury risk from his shoulders to ours. He received the highest paying contract of any center in the league; perhaps FO felt he was worth half again or twice the second best center while healthy. Meh. So no, I don't know if they included that in their assessment; if they did, I disagree with some other factor in their calculation.

[955876]

What a kid workin at Quikie Stop did in his 20s and what a 20 something year old just lavished with a multimillion dollar contract does is not the same thing.

I get the "life" thing.

But what you did at 20 and what he does at 20 are not one in the same.

Only someone who hasn't advanced far enough in life doesn't see that.

The Steelers could give a shit what the twenty something loser who cleans the stalls does. Fuck up bad enough and get fired.

But when millions of dollars are involved so comes responsibility.

It's the same for all ages actually.

There is some shit I just simply can't do because of what I do. My neighbor, same age, wouldn't bat an eye over it.

Different strokes.

Either way, the "he's a kid, and what did you do at that age" argument holds no water.

They can go out. They can have a good time. They can get drunk and they can bang hoes. Just like other twenty something's. But they need to know where to draw the line.

Because their actions don't just impact themselves.

First off, you know jack & shit about me, so half of your post is verbal diarrhea.

My point is maturity. Handing a high paying position too a young guy in corporate America is not the same as a pro athlete making millions. And assuming you're not still in your mid 20's, I don't see your point.

Also, there's nothing to indicate MP actually did anything wrong, let alone illegal. Guess what, Bens a bad tipper...cut him for L Jones.

Which part exactly is verbal diarrhea? Because I think my point is pretty valid. I also never said he did anything wrong because I don't know the facts and was speaking in general terms.

I couldn't care less what these guys do in their spare as long as they are 100% ready when need be.

I get that these guys go out and get their groove on. I'm also not saying he shouldn't be able to do so because I sure as hell would.

But I also realize that because of that contract they can't do certain things. I actually tore it up MUCH more in my 30s than I did my 20s because for a good part of my 20s I was in the Marine Corps and couldn't risk getting in trouble and the other part I was in college and too broke to really get after it.

In my 30's, when some cash started flowing in so did some excess. So I get it. These guys have the coin to take it to a whole different level.

But that doesn't change the fact the signed a contract and by doing so, can't be "just one of the guys".

You are the one comparing someone just lavished with a multimillion dollar contract to "what I did in my 20s"

They are not one in the same.

If you think they are then well....

[955876]

What a kid workin at Quikie Stop did in his 20s and what a 20 something year old just lavished with a multimillion dollar contract does is not the same thing.

I get the "life" thing.

But what you did at 20 and what he does at 20 are not one in the same.

Only someone who hasn't advanced far enough in life doesn't see that.

Uhm. How far does one have to "advance in life" to understand your point? Middle management or CEO? Does that mean someone in their 30's working in a cabinet shop without kids or a college degree is too ignorant and naive to "get it?"

If the shoe fits, wear it. If it doesn't, move along.

I never said these guys shouldn't be allowed to go out and have fun. I'm not on that side of the argument.

At the same time, the "what were you doing at 20"? Or well, "as a twenty something I did X so these guys should be able to as well" argument doesn't hold water. It's NOT the same.

And if you don't see that then well, you are likely at a different place in your life mentally.

Again, if that comment doesn't apply to you then move along.

[Legacy User]

(4) No one has ever won a fall NFL game while spending time at a club in the offseason

You're joking right? Because it is a major joke to try to say that big partiers have never been winners in the NFL.

I'm not joking. Certainly plenty of partiers have won plenty of games. But they helped their teams through their talent and effort (both in season and out of season), not by spending time at clubs in the offseason.

This is a fairly obvious point.

Give me a break, no one ever goes to a club or parties during the offseason? How much time is Pouncey spending at club(s) in the offseason?

[Mick]

You're joking right? Because it is a major joke to try to say that big partiers have never been winners in the NFL.

I'm not joking. Certainly plenty of partiers have won plenty of games. But they helped their teams through their talent and effort (both in season and out of season), not by spending time at clubs in the offseason.

This is a fairly obvious point.

Give me a break, no one ever goes to a club or parties during the offseason? How much time is Pouncey spending at club(s) in the offseason?

to paraphrase, as this continues to befuddle,
"Partying doesn't help make you a better football player."

[955876]

Hitting the town for a night also doesn't make you a worse football player.

[Legacy User]

How does being at a party, your own birthday party no less, preclude one from doing the things they need to do to become a better football player?

Hate to break it to you but football players party, a lot, and become better players.

[Nick79]

"Partying doesn't help make you a better football player."

I wouldn't expect any player to spend 100% of every day of his life trying to become a better player. I'd expect that they'd work at it everyday, but still, not 24/7/365! There are DAYS OFF, there are HOURS OFF, there are NIGHTS OFF when I'd expect that they'd just go out and do what they like, even if what they like doesn't do jack shit as far as improving themselves as a football player, your time is YOUR time.

[jeemie]

What makes this undue fuss all the more surprising is...AGAIN...this kind of stuff is happening far LESS with the Steelers than with almost any other team.

I think there's only 2-3 teams in the league with fewer "incidents" since 2010 than Pittsburgh.

yet somehow it's epidemic with the Steelers and indicative of Tomlin's "permissive" attitude?

I'm sure I'll hear more of "Yeah- but the Steelers are mediocre, so NONE of this should be tolerated".

To which i will say, yet again...cracking down on this will have about as much effect as eliminating the ping pong privileges.

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What a kid workin at Quikie Stop did in his 20s and what a 20 something year old just lavished with a multimillion dollar contract does is not the same thing.

I get the "life" thing.

But what you did at 20 and what he does at 20 are not one in the same.

Only someone who hasn't advanced far enough in life doesn't see that.

Uhm. How far does one have to "advance in life" to understand your point? Middle management or CEO? Does that mean someone in their 30's working in a cabinet shop without kids or a college degree is too ignorant and naive to "get it?"

If the shoe fits, wear it. If it doesn't, move along.

I never said these guys shouldn't be allowed to go out and have fun. I'm not on that side of the argument.

At the same time, the "what were you doing at 20"? Or well, "as a twenty something I did X so these guys should be able to as well" argument doesn't hold water. It's NOT the same.

And if you don't see that then well, you are likely at a different place in your life mentally.

Again, if that comment doesn't apply to you then move along.

Hmm. I'm new here, but that sounds really arrogant and self important. No offense, but that doesn't surprise me coming from somebody who spent their 20s in the military.

Football players are far from rocket scientists or brain surgeons. One night, or three of debauchery in july isn't going to affect their overall performance in november, and expecting them to be monks during the offseason because they get paid millions of dollars out of professional responsibility is presumptuous and judgmental with no factual basis. Besides, none of us has any idea what his offseason schedule or rehab is like. Making a distinction between one who gets paid millions vs someone who is a busboy in terms of social norms sounds more like a morality judgment to me. His responsibility level is in terms of money, not life or death or political / economic meltdown. Sure, that's important for those that have millions at stake, but nobody ever ran around with their hair on fire because Philip Seymour Hoffman did heroin or Louis Armstrong smoked weed every day of his adult life.

As long as he can perform on the field, we should all just stfu. Steeler coaches and teammates seem to think he can, so our outside views are irrelevant. We don't attend practices, film review and analysis with coaches, understand what the objectives were, hang out in the locker room etc. so everything outside of that is speculation. So is what went on in that nightclub. So far, whatever he did is normal for a 20 something, regardless if he gets paid millions of dollars. I personally can't make a judgment as to whether or not he is morally corrupt or a hypocrite. I'm surprised others can.

I agree with Still lit. Why this is getting so much attention here is dumbfounding. But I'll just move along. . .

[Legacy User]

Zivco wrote:
I haven't used any narcotics in years...and while they caused me more pain then I ever anticipated when getting into that scene...I don't regret it as with my curiosity they were inevitable...and while I'm content with where I'm at in life...I do look back and wonder about all that money i wasted and question the softness they brought to my younger years...in other words I wonder who I would be today if that soft option wasn't so readily available to me. Ultimately I think my drug use was the same part of my personality that made conventional employment impossible from the start...but I wonder if some of my relationships would have gone the way they did if I wasn't convinced that my being wrecked much of the time was purely my business as long as I was able to pay for everything one way or the other.


None of my business actually (and not meant as an offense), but It actually sounds like this is more about you than the pouncy's.

It has nothing to do with me. I was responding to someone who suggested I was being hypocritical. The paragraph above this one that talked about off season training and knee reconstruction was the real point of the post this was clipped from.

I'm at the point in life when I look back at things with twenty five years of adult experience. It's difficult to define because it isn't regret and it sure isn't " I could have been a contender Stella...". But I've always been an uncompromising hedonist so in looking back while I don't see myself as some sort of aspiring one percenter without all the dope... I do wonder exactly what I would have done with all the time I've spent in drug induced euphoria...and that is huge, massive amount of time and I've grown to view it as a soft option. I'm atypical among people who have consumed as much dope as I have in that I'm still alive and there has always been a good deal of organization and structure in my life despite all the soft options. All of this is only applicable to establishing I'm not a hypocrite, my inferences on MPs behavior and the lens those inferences come through.

But if you are going to take one inference from those words it should be the degree of contempt I have for someone that takes 13 million dollars of trust and pays it back with this sort of soft option a month later.

mick I have no idea how often pouncey is out; my zivco im-not-a-court-so-i-can-make-up-facts best guess is he and his brother are regulars there (given that they've previously been photoed there), but they mostly keep reasonable hours (given that they are pro athletes that others describe as having serious work ethics).

I've made nothing up. That picture was from that night in the club. That quote on drugs and south beach athletes was from the victims statement to police. The Incognito and Mike Pouncey weed/coke texts and running amuck video at a bar are all available on the net. So are multiple other stories involving the Pouncey brothers party habits...not just at this bar. They are at the root of another South Florida bar shooting Aaron Hernandez is currently under investigation for in which the victims had been shot in there car after being accused of snatching gold chains off of the Pouncey twins in the bar.

SteelerzEdsaL7 wrote: From the looks of it Pouncey is basically pickled and flabby. Somehow I don't believe that's hes working hard to remain injury free let alone rehab for maximum effect.

Yep, small and soft. He isn't an endomorph and he isn't spending serious time in the gym. No doubt there are fat bastards that are successful linemen but there sure aren't many, small yet still fat bastards getting a 13 million dollar signing bonus after missing 23 games in four years...I include the three post season games he missed...imo they are twice as important and yet another sign of a small, poorly conditioned player wearing down over the course of the season. Yes, I've seen the injuries...no I don't believe they were inevitable.

[Legacy User]

It's getting attention because many no long like Pouncey because he's had the temerity to get injured and get a nice contract in the process. Because of that, Pouncey must be exemplary in every sense in order to justify that contract in their minds.




Decastro dive bombing your knee is not inevitable, I think most of the games he missed were due to that. Ziv's comment about Pouncey's size goes back to the frame discussion from SteelerFury 2.0. I think Zivco has a fixation about the size of players.

[Legacy User]

What makes this undue fuss all the more surprising is...AGAIN...this kind of stuff is happening far LESS with the Steelers than with almost any other team.

I think there's only 2-3 teams in the league with fewer "incidents" since 2010 than Pittsburgh.

yet somehow it's epidemic with the Steelers and indicative of Tomlin's "permissive" attitude?

I'm sure I'll hear more of "Yeah- but the Steelers are mediocre, so NONE of this should be tolerated".

To which i will say, yet again...cracking down on this will have about as much effect as eliminating the ping pong privileges.

I'm guessing you went through the USA today NFL arrest record and decided to cut off the date at 2010. Because I took a quick glance at it and if you go back to 2009 it appears we would be slightly above average in terms of arrest. And you are completely aware that my criticisms aren't limited to arrests...they include character issues in which there wasn't arrests such as the Adams incident and Clarks comments.

It also excludes the fact the PS have hired there very own Ray Donovan to head team security and fix these incidents...in fact the defendants lawyers in the Adams case outlined how after he showed up at the hospital Adams was at...Adams preop drug screen "disappeared" and his story changed to gun and car jacking after no such mention in his initial statement...he also met with the PGH police who apparently "lost or deleted" footage from security camera's on Adams route to the restaurant he called the police from post stabbing.

Football players are far from rocket scientists or brain surgeons.

No, but they are paid to be in reasonable condition and that slug looks incapable of benching 350 or running a 6 minute mile.

Decastro dive bombing your knee is not inevitable.

This is so funny to me. Guys get rolled up hundreds of times. I watched the same sort of thing happen every week. It's a legal play even if performed by the opponent. It stands out only because the degree of the injury and it was caused by a team mate because he was to weak to separate from a NG on time. That shit happened to Hampton nearly every game.

[lifelongsteel]

What makes this undue fuss all the more surprising is...AGAIN...this kind of stuff is happening far LESS with the Steelers than with almost any other team.

I think there's only 2-3 teams in the league with fewer "incidents" since 2010 than Pittsburgh.

yet somehow it's epidemic with the Steelers and indicative of Tomlin's "permissive" attitude?

I'm sure I'll hear more of "Yeah- but the Steelers are mediocre, so NONE of this should be tolerated".

To which i will say, yet again...cracking down on this will have about as much effect as eliminating the ping pong privileges.

I'm guessing you went through the USA today NFL arrest record and decided to cut off the date at 2010. Because I took a quick glance at it and if you go back to 2009 it appears we would be slightly above average in terms of arrest. And you are completely aware that my criticisms aren't limited to arrests...they include character issues in which there wasn't arrests such as the Adams incident and Clarks comments.

It also excludes the fact the PS have hired there very own Ray Donovan to head team security and fix these incidents...in fact the defendants lawyers in the Adams case outlined how after he showed up at the hospital Adams was at...Adams preop drug screen "disappeared" and his story changed to gun and car jacking after no such mention in his initial statement...he also met with the PGH police who apparently "lost or deleted" footage from security camera's on Adams route to the restaurant he called the police from post stabbing.

Football players are far from rocket scientists or brain surgeons.

No, but they are paid to be in reasonable condition and that slug looks incapable of benching 350 or running a 6 minute mile.

Decastro dive bombing your knee is not inevitable.

This is so funny to me. Guys get rolled up hundreds of times. I watched the same sort of thing happen every week. It's a legal play even if performed by the opponent. It stands out only because the degree of the injury and it was caused by a team mate because he was to weak to separate from a NG on time. That shit happened to Hampton nearly every game.

It's not just Ziv. I think Steeler Fuhrer called bullshit on that injury too.

http://youtu.be/izBTcw9bClE

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It's getting attention because many no long like Pouncey because he's had the temerity to get injured and get a nice contract in the process. Because of that, Pouncey must be exemplary in every sense in order to justify that contract in their minds.

Decastro dive bombing your knee is not inevitable, I think most of the games he missed were due to that. Ziv's comment about Pouncey's size goes back to the frame discussion from SteelerFury 2.0. I think Zivco has a fixation about the size of players.

I've watched every Pouncy injury on youtube. Freak accidents, which are all normal for football, seem to define his injury history. DD dive-bombing his knee notwithstanding - yeah, maybe he could have moved to the second level but hell, I wasn't on the line and in his shoes. WTF do I know? He's not injury prone in terms of NFL players and situations. Shit happens. I wonder why some look to a random statistical events and expect to garner some insight into physical attributes or abilities, training coaches, etc. Its all about statistical probabilities and which sample set you are looking at.

Thats the allure of football and sports in general. Shit happens. That's why I like watching it unfold before my eyes.

[Legacy User]

Pouncey did not get simply rolled up by DeCastro.

Players get rolled up all the time, sometimes they get injured without their frame size being called into question.

[Legacy User]

I think Zivco has a fixation about the size of players.

Not at all. I have a fixation about small for there position players that get injured. And I'm not going to rehash the whole strength and conditioning/player character injury rate argument...just understand that I view many contributing factors in our going from #1 in injury rate to #19 over the past 7 years.

Freak accidents, which are all normal for football, seem to define his injury history

I really don't care how the injury happened. What concerns me is severity of the injury versus the commonality of the play. In both Pouncey injuries aren't unusual football plays...the only unusual thing about either was it was a team mate rolled up his legs on one of them. Hampton and Smith regularly missed no snaps after being rolled up on the exact same way. It isn't an unusual play and lower body injuries remained the same even when the back side cut was illegal.

[955876]

Hmm. I'm new here, but that sounds really arrogant and self important. No offense, but that doesn't surprise me coming from somebody who spent their 20s in the military.

You have some issue with people who serve in the military after high school?

As for the rest of your post, well, what is actually dumbfounding is your inability to comprehend what is being said.

Because if you could, you would have seen that I AGREE that these guys are free to do as they please and if that includes hittin da club then so be it. I never said otherwise.

So you wrote a lot of words trying to counter something I was never even arguing nor do I care about.

My ONLY point was that these guys are not "normal 20 somethings" and as such the argument that they should simply be treated as such doesn't hold water.

There is a huge difference between thinking someone should be free to hit the clubs and thinking someone should be free to hit the clubs AND act like a dumbass "like I did when I was 20" or "like every other 20 something"

I'm also not saying he was acting like jackass because I don't know the facts.

So don't get your panties in a bunch with me because you can't understand what was said vs what you assume was said.

[Legacy User]

I think Zivco has a fixation about the size of players.

Not at all. I have a fixation about small for there position players that get injured. And I'm not going to rehash the whole strength and conditioning/player character injury rate argument...just understand that I view many contributing factors in our going from #1 in injury rate to #19 over the past 7 years.

A fixation over the size of players and a fixation over the size of players relative to their position are both fixations.

Please don't rehash how player character relates to injury rate.

[COR-TEN]

Hmm. I'm new here, but that sounds really arrogant and self important. No offense, but that doesn't surprise me coming from somebody who spent their 20s in the military.

You have some issue with people who serve in the military after high school?

As for the rest of your post, well, what is actually dumbfounding is your inability to comprehend what is being said.

Because if you could, you would have seen that I AGREE that these guys are free to do as they please and if that includes hittin da club then so be it. I never said otherwise.

So you wrote a lot of words trying to counter something I was never even arguing nor do I care about.

My ONLY point was that these guys are not "normal 20 somethings" and as such the argument that they should simply be treated as such doesn't hold water.

There is a huge difference between thinking someone should be free to hit the clubs and thinking someone should be free to hit the clubs AND act like a dumbass "like I did when I was 20" or "like every other 20 something"

I'm also not saying he was acting like jackass because I don't know the facts.

So don't get your panties in a bunch with me because you can't understand what was said vs what you assume was said.

No, I don't have a problem with those who serve in the military, but I do call into question an attitude that defines life like the military wants you to see it - ignoring and arrogantly dismissing others. That's another discussion.

I added stuff into my post that wasn't directed specifically at you. Sorry if you interpreted it as addressing you. But thanks for launching comprehension insults my way. I also appreciate your "panties in a bunch" comment. Neat. Thanks.

No, I don't agree that we should judge people differently because of what job they have. Only in specific instances is that appropriate. Not in this one. Unless of course you want to impose your morality/ ideology/ etc.

[955876]

It has zero to do with my morality/ideology.

When you sign a big money contract with your employer you give up being able to do certain things that any ole run of the mill 20 something can get away with. There is a HUGE difference in what is expected of you at 25 after signing a $40+ million contract with your employer and the 25 year kid who tends a bar.

And I don't mean simply not being able to go to clubs as there is nothing wrong with that.

Guys in their 20s routinely act like jackasses and do dumb shit that would be very embarrassing to a high level employer. Thing is, most 20 something's don't yet work for high level employers or at least not in a significant position there so their behavior remains a non-issue in a general sense.

Are you actually saying that just because young PROFESSIONAL athletes are still in their 20s they should be able to act and get away with the same shit your run of the mill 20 something does?

If so, I don't know what else to say.

[Legacy User]

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[Legacy User]

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[Legacy User]

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[jeemie]

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