Players that won’t be back…..

[Baltostiller]

I’ll make a wager with you that Ben won’t be back, if you’re interested.

I'm not a big bettor but I'd be willing to put up $20. I truly believe he doesn't want to go out this way and Eddie Munster II the dumb fuck is loyal to a fault. Could do an avatar pic but I never have had one.

You're on and let me ask you a question.

You're reasoning is that Ben "doesn't want to go out this way".

What in God's name makes you think next season will be better?

I don't think it will be better but I believe that one of the few men walking the planet who have quarterbacked his team to 2 super bowl wins believes that HE can make a difference. I didn't say it would be good, just that it would happen.

[Ice]

I'm starting to wish the Chargers game had been Ben's last as a Steeler. Maybe not a winning note, but at least a special one that brought back great memories, of which there are many.

There's no way I want to see him humiliated like this for another season.

[K_C_]

I'm not a big bettor but I'd be willing to put up $20. I truly believe he doesn't want to go out this way and Eddie Munster II the dumb fuck is loyal to a fault. Could do an avatar pic but I never have had one.

You're on and let me ask you a question.

You're reasoning is that Ben "doesn't want to go out this way".

What in God's name makes you think next season will be better?

I don't think it will be better but I believe that one of the few men walking the planet who have quarterbacked his team to 2 super bowl wins believes that HE can make a difference. I didn't say it would be good, just that it would happen.

Ben may have taken that attitude ("If I play better, the team can go far!") heading into this season.

Um.....I don't think he feels that way anymore. I don't want to slam the guy but outside of an unbelievable second half vs the Chargers, Ben has been very pedestrian this year. ....against a shit schedule. No, no, before anybody starts crying, I don't believe Mason Rudolph is better than Roethlisberger nor should Mason replace Ben, but the Ben was saw against the Chargers is long gone. That Chargers game used to be a routine week for Roethlisberger. He did amazing things nearly every week. He can't do anything close to what he used to do anymore. He can't elevate the team with his play anymore, on anything approaching a consistent basis. Ben hasn't looked like he did in the Chargers game since that unreal comeback vs the Colts almost a year earlier. That is where we're at with Ben.

We're nearing the end.

[K_C_]

I'm starting to wish the Chargers game had been Ben's last as a Steeler. Maybe not a winning note, but at least a special one that brought back great memories, of which there are many.

There's no way I want to see him humiliated like this for another season.

Exactly where I am.

[955876]

There's no way I want to see him humiliated like this for another season.

It’s embarrassing.

I wonder where the pride is.

How many times is he going to throw a 2 yard pass on 3rd and 9?

It is hard to watch.

I’ll be disappointed if he’s back as it’s easier to take sucking without him. We definitely aren’t winning with him.

The only thing that comes of it is further padding his career stats.

[Deebo]

I’ll make a wager with you that Ben won’t be back, if you’re interested.

I'm not a big bettor but I'd be willing to put up $20. I truly believe he doesn't want to go out this way and Eddie Munster II the dumb fuck is loyal to a fault. Could do an avatar pic but I never have had one.

You're on and let me ask you a question.

You're reasoning is that Ben "doesn't want to go out this way".

What in God's name makes you think next season will be better?

What's that phrase: "Hope is the last thing to die"?

Ben has a massive ego (which is fine to me). He'll always think he's got more in the tank for 1 more run.
So if Ben has the option to come back, he will. If the team says no thanks, then I think he's done.

[K_C_]

I'm not a big bettor but I'd be willing to put up $20. I truly believe he doesn't want to go out this way and Eddie Munster II the dumb fuck is loyal to a fault. Could do an avatar pic but I never have had one.

You're on and let me ask you a question.

You're reasoning is that Ben "doesn't want to go out this way".

What in God's name makes you think next season will be better?

What's that phrase: "Hope is the last thing to die"?

Ben has a massive ego (which is fine to me). He'll always think he's got more in the tank for 1 more run.
So if Ben has the option to come back, he will. If the team says no thanks, then I think he's done.

I disagree with you 100%. I don't think you understand how many holes this team has. Ben isn't and hasn't elevated shit this year.

Outside of that fantastic second half of the Chargers game, he's been an average QB. At times, below average.

Sure, not all of what's happened is his fault. The dude's o-line is horrific and it isn't getting fixed overnight.

No way on earth Ben is coming back next year. Hell, even if he wants to I'll bet his wife will shut that shit down. She doesn't want him to end up a slobbering vegetable and that might happen the way defenses are starting to tee off on the guy.

[Baltostiller]

You're on and let me ask you a question.

You're reasoning is that Ben "doesn't want to go out this way".

What in God's name makes you think next season will be better?

What's that phrase: "Hope is the last thing to die"?

Ben has a massive ego (which is fine to me). He'll always think he's got more in the tank for 1 more run.
So if Ben has the option to come back, he will. If the team says no thanks, then I think he's done.

I disagree with you 100%. I don't think you understand how many holes this team has. Ben isn't and hasn't elevated shit this year.

Outside of that fantastic second half of the Chargers game, he's been an average QB. At times, below average.

Sure, not all of what's happened is his fault. The dude's o-line is horrific and it isn't getting fixed overnight.

No way on earth Ben is coming back next year. Hell, even if he wants to I'll bet his wife will shut that shit down. She doesn't want him to end up a slobbering vegetable and that might happen the way defenses are starting to tee off on the guy.

Again, this is not what I necessarily want but I truly believe it will happen. We'll see and I'll pay the $20 if I'm wrong.

[K_C_]

What's that phrase: "Hope is the last thing to die"?

Ben has a massive ego (which is fine to me). He'll always think he's got more in the tank for 1 more run.
So if Ben has the option to come back, he will. If the team says no thanks, then I think he's done.

I disagree with you 100%. I don't think you understand how many holes this team has. Ben isn't and hasn't elevated shit this year.

Outside of that fantastic second half of the Chargers game, he's been an average QB. At times, below average.

Sure, not all of what's happened is his fault. The dude's o-line is horrific and it isn't getting fixed overnight.

No way on earth Ben is coming back next year. Hell, even if he wants to I'll bet his wife will shut that shit down. She doesn't want him to end up a slobbering vegetable and that might happen the way defenses are starting to tee off on the guy.

Again, this is not what I necessarily want but I truly believe it will happen. We'll see and I'll pay the $20 if I'm wrong.

You're on.

[Deebo]

KC- On a scale of 1-10 what grade do you think Ben turned in last year? What about this year?

Ben wasn't great last year and there was part of me that was surprised he came back again. Plus his BFF retired.

So that's what I'm basing my decision on: if it's Ben's choice he's coming back because his ego won't allow himself to quit. If the team makes the decision, then he'll acknowledge he should ride off.

Heck, there's a part of me that wonders if the team tells him "no thanks" he wouldn't go to a QB needy almost contender to prove to himself he's "still got it"

[K_C_]

KC- On a scale of 1-10 what grade do you think Ben turned in last year? What about this year?

Ben wasn't great last year and there was part of me that was surprised he came back again. Plus his BFF retired.

So that's what I'm basing my decision on: if it's Ben's choice he's coming back because his ego won't allow himself to quit. If the team makes the decision, then he'll acknowledge he should ride off.

Heck, there's a part of me that wonders if the team tells him "no thanks" he wouldn't go to a QB needy almost contender to prove to himself he's "still got it"

Last year I would give Ben probably about a 6 out of 10. Possibly a 5. He looked to be in major decline late in the season.

This year I would probably give him the same grade. He's playing better than he did the second half of last season but he still looks like an average QB to me.

Sad because you watch the Chargers game and all I could think about was; "This is amazing and Ben used to pull this off on a weekly basis".

Now he does it on a yearly basis.

[955876]

Heck, there's a part of me that wonders if the team tells him "no thanks" he wouldn't go to a QB needy almost contender to prove to himself he's "still got it"

In years past I would have considered it blasphemy for Ben to leave and play on another team.

But now? Given how bad the coaching and talent level is around him?? Not anymore.

I’d be happy if he was picked up by a contender and won a SB ala Brady.

He certainly isn’t winning one here and would also shine a giant ass spotlight on the fraud that is Jibba fuckin Jabba.

[Ice]

Heck, there's a part of me that wonders if the team tells him "no thanks" he wouldn't go to a QB needy almost contender to prove to himself he's "still got it"

In years past I would have considered it blasphemy for Ben to leave and play on another team.

But now? Given how bad the coaching and talent level is around him?? Not anymore.

I’d be happy if he was picked up by a contender and won a SB ala Brady.

He certainly isn’t winning one here and would also shine a giant ass spotlight on the fraud that is Jibba fuckin Jabba.

It'd be awkward, at first, but I'd cheer for him. Loudly.

[Baltostiller]

Heck, there's a part of me that wonders if the team tells him "no thanks" he wouldn't go to a QB needy almost contender to prove to himself he's "still got it"

In years past I would have considered it blasphemy for Ben to leave and play on another team.

But now? Given how bad the coaching and talent level is around him?? Not anymore.

I’d be happy if he was picked up by a contender and won a SB ala Brady.

He certainly isn’t winning one here and would also shine a giant ass spotlight on the fraud that is Jibba fuckin Jabba.

It'd be awkward, at first, but I'd cheer for him. Loudly.

I never thought that i would say this but with the absolutely horrific coaching in Pittsburgh, I'd root hard for Ben if he went elsewhere. Hopefully to the NFC.

[955876]

I wouldn’t even care if he went to an AFC team.

Under zero illusions that this team is capable of contending. They are bottom feeder level at this point.

[Jizz Mop]

I wouldn’t even care if he went to an AFC team.

Under zero illusions that this team is capable of contending. They are bottom feeder level at this point.

We don’t live in our fears

Pretty sure next game will be played in December

And you know what happens in Dec right?

We unleash hell

[Alibe]

I’ll go with:

Roethlisberger
Ebron
JuJu
Washington
Banner
Haeg
Finney
Mondeaux
Wormley
Bush Jr
Edmonds

That’s a lot of turnover……

Bush is going nowhere.

Sadly, you are probably 100% correct. Sticking with mediocrity.

If Bush were only mediocre we could live with that! He is the worst STEELER I have seen…. Even Dri Archer at least tried. I agree, Bush is sabotaging the defense. Shocking to watch!

[Deebo]

KC- On a scale of 1-10 what grade do you think Ben turned in last year? What about this year?

Ben wasn't great last year and there was part of me that was surprised he came back again. Plus his BFF retired.

So that's what I'm basing my decision on: if it's Ben's choice he's coming back because his ego won't allow himself to quit. If the team makes the decision, then he'll acknowledge he should ride off.

Heck, there's a part of me that wonders if the team tells him "no thanks" he wouldn't go to a QB needy almost contender to prove to himself he's "still got it"

Last year I would give Ben probably about a 6 out of 10. Possibly a 5. He looked to be in major decline late in the season.

This year I would probably give him the same grade. He's playing better than he did the second half of last season but he still looks like an average QB to me.

Sad because you watch the Chargers game and all I could think about was; "This is amazing and Ben used to pull this off on a weekly basis".

Now he does it on a yearly basis.

That's what I was getting at. Ben this year and last year are pretty much the same guy, so I see him coming back if he's permitted.

When you look at it, guess you could say Ben where he looked mostly like his old self was 2018

[K_C_]

KC- On a scale of 1-10 what grade do you think Ben turned in last year? What about this year?

Ben wasn't great last year and there was part of me that was surprised he came back again. Plus his BFF retired.

So that's what I'm basing my decision on: if it's Ben's choice he's coming back because his ego won't allow himself to quit. If the team makes the decision, then he'll acknowledge he should ride off.

Heck, there's a part of me that wonders if the team tells him "no thanks" he wouldn't go to a QB needy almost contender to prove to himself he's "still got it"

Last year I would give Ben probably about a 6 out of 10. Possibly a 5. He looked to be in major decline late in the season.

This year I would probably give him the same grade. He's playing better than he did the second half of last season but he still looks like an average QB to me.

Sad because you watch the Chargers game and all I could think about was; "This is amazing and Ben used to pull this off on a weekly basis".

Now he does it on a yearly basis.

That's what I was getting at. Ben this year and last year are pretty much the same guy, so I see him coming back if he's permitted.

When you look at it, guess you could say Ben where he looked mostly like his old self was 2018

Two points I need to mention.

First, you realize we are only now hitting the most difficult part of our schedule, right? Last Sunday, Ben took some MAJOR ASS hits in a total beatdown. His 39 year old, surgically repaired elbow (and shoulder) damn near got re-injured. I can guarantee you he didn't feel all that well after Cincy knocked the shit out of ol' #7. Expect to see a whole lot more of that the rest of the year.....and we'll see if our epically horrible o-line does anything to stop it. I'm still betting Ben doesn't finish this year standing up.

Secondly, what kind of salary do you bring Roethlisberger back at? Dude isn't anything approaching what he once was, but Ben isn't an idiot. He's still going to want waaaaay too much money for what he's worth. Dude ain't coming back for peanuts, even if peanuts (even if the Bennonites don't like it) is what he deserves at this point in his career.

[Deebo]

I hate to say it, but I don't think you bring Ben back at all. So I'm biased in terms of what number I would offer him except Zero

Start the rebuild. Let Mason suck into a good draft pick. We'll have ample money in FA

[K_C_]

I hate to say it, but I don't think you bring Ben back at all. So I'm biased in terms of what number I would offer him except Zero

Start the rebuild. Let Mason suck into a good draft pick. We'll have ample money in FA

While I don't blame Mason a ton for making some bad throws in REALLY shitty weather (Goff was far worse) and he was let down by his teammates when it mattered most, I doubt he's the starter next season if Ben hangs 'em up unless Mason gets another chance before this season ends and really shines. Or at least plays like he did in the Cleveland game last year on a consistent basis. He just hasn't shown enough up until this point to be a bridge QB to the rookie. It won't be Haskins either, he's an idiot.

I believe they'll bring in some mid priced veteran to be a place holder until they draft their franchise QB which will likely be in 2023.

[Professor Half Wit]

Goff was seriously injured. Hasn't this been well documented? Or am I mistaken about that?

[K_C_]

Goff was seriously injured. Hasn't this been well documented? Or am I mistaken about that?

Oh he was banged up for sure. If he was so banged he couldn’t throw, dude shouldn’t have been in the game.

[Professor Half Wit]

Goff was seriously injured. Hasn't this been well documented? Or am I mistaken about that?

Oh he was banged up for sure. If he was so banged he couldn’t throw, dude shouldn’t have been in the game.

That Lions loss was worse than the Bengals loss. Let's make no mistake about it.

Our team fucking blows.

[K_C_]

Goff was seriously injured. Hasn't this been well documented? Or am I mistaken about that?

Oh he was banged up for sure. If he was so banged he couldn’t throw, dude shouldn’t have been in the game.

That Lions loss was worse than the Bengals loss. Let's make no mistake about it.

Our team fucking blows.

We didn’t lose to the Lions.

[Professor Half Wit]

Oh he was banged up for sure. If he was so banged he couldn’t throw, dude shouldn’t have been in the game.

That Lions loss was worse than the Bengals loss. Let's make no mistake about it.

Our team fucking blows.

We didn’t lose to the Lions.

LOLZ the tie was so bad I forgot. Hahahahaha

[K_C_]

That Lions loss was worse than the Bengals loss. Let's make no mistake about it.

Our team fucking blows.

We didn’t lose to the Lions.

LOLZ the tie was so bad I forgot. Hahahahaha

The tie is bad until you consider it took help from the refs and the luckiest bounce of a ball in NFL history for (what many consider) the best team in the AFC to avoid losing to the Lions.

[SteelerDayTrader]

If the Steelers push Ben out I hope he goes to Cleveland and wins a Lombardi

[Professor Half Wit]

If the Steelers push Ben out I hope he goes to Cleveland and wins a Lombardi

Cleveland isn't winning shit with or without Ben.

[SteelerDayTrader]

If the Steelers push Ben out I hope he goes to Cleveland and wins a Lombardi

Cleveland isn't winning shit with or without Ben.

If they keep Stephanski and can find a cheap QB to play well they’ve shown they can build a competitive team

I think a lot will depend on continuing to grow a winning culture under Stephanski and beyond

That and how long will Stephanski remain viable