Porter rips Ben

[bradshaw2ben]

Zach Banner and AB had some good things to say about Ben. I appreciate them appreciating him.

[W&M_Steeler]

Yeah joey missing a screw or 3 but I don’t recall reading anything scathing Ben said about Tomlin that would set him off.

Ben put out a podcast late in the season (maybe after loss to Buffalo) saying it was time for Tomlin to move on. That might have gotten under Porter (and Tomlin's) skin.

[Steeldrama]

Yeah joey missing a screw or 3 but I don’t recall reading anything scathing Ben said about Tomlin that would set him off.

Ben put out a podcast late in the season (maybe after loss to Buffalo) saying it was time for Tomlin to move on. That might have gotten under Porter (and Tomlin's) skin.

Yeah I saw that but there were hundreds of other pundits and podcasters saying the same thing.

Hardly anything scathing or offensive by Ben's opinion.

And if it was Tomlin's "plan" to leave all along as his boy Jay Glazer wants everyone to believe then there's even less reason to get all bent.

Joey was just looking for a reason.

Not fan of either person, but I guess it's at least something to talk about while waiting for free agency and the draft.

[Stillerz Bar]

You guys are going on and on with this analysis
Maybe Ben was a douche shitty teammate but one hall of clutch qb. Brought you two super bowls. So you overlook the douche shitty teammate part. Pretty simple.

As always, more than one thing can be true at the same time...

Was Ben a jagoff? Definitely

Did he outgrow it? Yes, to a certain extent, especially once he got married and had kids

Was he one of the most club QBs in NFL history? Absolutely! There aren't many Steelers fans who would have wanted anyone else under center when we were trailing late in the 4th quarter. His ability to make something out of nothing is legendary.

I too have " Ben's a douche " story when my wife tried to get his autograph before a preseason game in Minnesota in 08. She was wearing his jersey and saw him coming back from a steakhouse with his O Line and Keisel. He saw her from across the street and crossed at an angle to avoid her. She started running after him but had no chance of catching up. Fortunately for her, 99 also saw her and made Ben stop and sign her book. Brett even made him apologize for making her run. It was kinda of cute as Ben was kinda sheepish at that point.

That doesn't change the fact that I'm grateful to him for ending the Lombardi drought, douche bag or not.

[W&M_Steeler]

Yeah joey missing a screw or 3 but I don’t recall reading anything scathing Ben said about Tomlin that would set him off.

Ben put out a podcast late in the season (maybe after loss to Buffalo) saying it was time for Tomlin to move on. That might have gotten under Porter (and Tomlin's) skin.

Yeah I saw that but there were hundreds of other pundits and podcasters saying the same thing.

Hardly anything scathing or offensive by Ben's opinion.

And if it was Tomlin's "plan" to leave all along as his boy Jay Glazer wants everyone to believe then there's even less reason to get all bent.

Joey was just looking for a reason.

Not fan of either person, but I guess it's at least something to talk about while waiting for free agency and the draft.

I think Ben publicly questioning Tomlin was scathing enough to set this off, particularly since Joey's diatribe came up during a discussion of players criticizing Tomlin. All 3 seem to be assholes with huge egos, so it doesn't take much to set them off.

[Obviously]

You guys are going on and on with this analysis
Maybe Ben was a douche shitty teammate but one hall of clutch qb. Brought you two super bowls. So you overlook the douche shitty teammate part. Pretty simple.

Yep, it is that simple. There's a shit ton of douchebags and assholes enshrined in Canton each with many, many fans.

And if you think Joey Porter isn't an asshole and douchebag then you're not paying attention to what he's done in his time.

[Obviously]

Let's not pretend that Peezy wasn't a hell of a football player… Played a major role with the 05 Super Bowl team then went onto Miami and registered 17 1/2 sacks in 08.... just turned out that Harrison ironically was a better player. The stuff that Peezy says about both Harrison and Ben is not untrue. Peezys relationship does seem kind of sketchy. Both peezy and Harrison will be featured in the documentary a football town narrated by McAfee. Who was the female doing most of the talking on the podcast?

He was above average at best. Not anywhere as good as he purports to have been.

[Jtf]

You guys are going on and on with this analysis
Maybe Ben was a douche shitty teammate but one hall of clutch qb. Brought you two super bowls. So you overlook the douche shitty teammate part. Pretty simple.

As always, more than one thing can be true at the same time...

Was Ben a jagoff? Definitely

Did he outgrow it? Yes, to a certain extent, especially once he got married and had kids

Was he one of the most club QBs in NFL history? Absolutely! There aren't many Steelers fans who would have wanted anyone else under center when we were trailing late in the 4th quarter. His ability to make something out of nothing is legendary.

I too have " Ben's a douche " story when my wife tried to get his autograph before a preseason game in Minnesota in 08. She was wearing his jersey and saw him coming back from a steakhouse with his O Line and Keisel. He saw her from across the street and crossed at an angle to avoid her. She started running after him but had no chance of catching up. Fortunately for her, 99 also saw her and made Ben stop and sign her book. Brett even made him apologize for making her run. It was kinda of cute as Ben was kinda sheepish at that point.

That doesn't change the fact that I'm grateful to him for ending the Lombardi drought, douche bag or not.

no what I said was exactly right. He was shitty teamate but hell of a qb Everybody on this thread explaining and making excuses just can't keep it simple and admit truth. What you just posted backs up what I am saying. Shitty guy but great player. got you two super bowls.

[Jtf]

You guys are going on and on with this analysis
Maybe Ben was a douche shitty teammate but one hall of clutch qb. Brought you two super bowls. So you overlook the douche shitty teammate part. Pretty simple.

Yep, it is that simple. There's a shit ton of douchebags and assholes enshrined in Canton each with many, many fans.

And if you think Joey Porter isn't an asshole and douchebag then you're not paying attention to what he's done in his time.

couldn't care less about either guy. I just see posters trying to explain this. Not much to explain. Great qb but probably a douche and not well liked teamate. It seems to hurt some people on here even if they say doesn't. Like you said there are many clowns in canton and who have many fans because of what they did on the field.

[swissvale72]

Ben put out a podcast late in the season (maybe after loss to Buffalo) saying it was time for Tomlin to move on. That might have gotten under Porter (and Tomlin's) skin.

Yeah I saw that but there were hundreds of other pundits and podcasters saying the same thing.

Hardly anything scathing or offensive by Ben's opinion.

And if it was Tomlin's "plan" to leave all along as his boy Jay Glazer wants everyone to believe then there's even less reason to get all bent.

Joey was just looking for a reason.

Not fan of either person, but I guess it's at least something to talk about while waiting for free agency and the draft.

I think Ben publicly questioning Tomlin was scathing enough to set this off, particularly since Joey's diatribe came up during a discussion of players criticizing Tomlin. All 3 seem to be assholes with huge egos, so it doesn't take much to set them off.

All 3 being assholes is a pretty apt description, W & M,...on point. I always got a kick out of Peezy in black & gold tho, and his role in the 2015 playoff win in cinci, was classic fuckin peezy. Ben...I still maintain that he was a better player when more douche...lol. Fuckin Art II letting him twist in the wind compromised Ben's edge. I'll always believe that. As for Tomlin, I'm on record for wanting him gone at the close of the 2012 season and for noting repeatedly and his great skill was "an exceedingly well developed line of bullshit." He must have majored in Rhetoric at W & M.

[CKSteeler]

Look there's obviously something to the Ben is an asshole narrative as it seems to be a pretty universally held opinion.

What I'm not a fan of is innuendo and attacks where you fall back on not having to provide actual support or details because of a code you've already broken. Which is what's going on here.

And people are forgetting that there were legit reports from the media that Ben is the one who got Porter fired from Tomlin's staff because Porter didn't act like a coach. People have memory holed that one. Combine that with Ben taking a small shot at Mediocre Mike, Porter's buddy, and you get this bullshit.

If you're going to go after a man's character, just do it and get it done with. I'm tired of the sniping.

And of ALL the people who are the most ridiculous about it it's probably Mason fucking Rudolph who simultaneously said that it wasn't Ben's job to help him and he wasn't looking for it prior to I think ever even meeting Ben and then proceeding to spend the years since playing the victim and taking veiled shot s at him while being too cowardly to just come out and say it directly.

[CKSteeler]

I still believe Mason of all the fucks commenting brought any negativity on himself. Ben could have handled it better, sure. But if Rudolph doesn't come out and say dumb shit that Ben takes as an affront, Ben treats him like he did ever other back-up QB he's had young or old. He seemed to have a better relationship with every other QB who was in the room at some point.

Duck Hodges has defended him. Dobbs has spoken repeatedly on how much he learned from Ben.

The people who always seem to have the most to say about Ben were assholes on the defense who, outside James Harrison at one time, were never anywhere near as good as they thought they were to begin with. That includes Porter who often times talked shit and failed to cash checks.

[zeke5123]

Ben put out a podcast late in the season (maybe after loss to Buffalo) saying it was time for Tomlin to move on. That might have gotten under Porter (and Tomlin's) skin.

Yeah I saw that but there were hundreds of other pundits and podcasters saying the same thing.

Hardly anything scathing or offensive by Ben's opinion.

And if it was Tomlin's "plan" to leave all along as his boy Jay Glazer wants everyone to believe then there's even less reason to get all bent.

Joey was just looking for a reason.

Not fan of either person, but I guess it's at least something to talk about while waiting for free agency and the draft.

I think Ben publicly questioning Tomlin was scathing enough to set this off, particularly since Joey's diatribe came up during a discussion of players criticizing Tomlin. All 3 seem to be assholes with huge egos, so it doesn't take much to set them off.

Yeah, Ben spitted truth but it was more than just "move on." He asked questions like "when was the last time we out schemed the other team." That is a direct criticism of coaching. He made other comments about us never making adjustments at half time. Again, direct criticism of coaching.

This criticism was true. Porter seems to think calling out Tomlin was wrong regardless of whether the criticism is fair or not.

[zeke5123]

You guys are going on and on with this analysis
Maybe Ben was a douche shitty teammate but one hall of clutch qb. Brought you two super bowls. So you overlook the douche shitty teammate part. Pretty simple.

As always, more than one thing can be true at the same time...

Was Ben a jagoff? Definitely

Did he outgrow it? Yes, to a certain extent, especially once he got married and had kids

Was he one of the most club QBs in NFL history? Absolutely! There aren't many Steelers fans who would have wanted anyone else under center when we were trailing late in the 4th quarter. His ability to make something out of nothing is legendary.

I too have " Ben's a douche " story when my wife tried to get his autograph before a preseason game in Minnesota in 08. She was wearing his jersey and saw him coming back from a steakhouse with his O Line and Keisel. He saw her from across the street and crossed at an angle to avoid her. She started running after him but had no chance of catching up. Fortunately for her, 99 also saw her and made Ben stop and sign her book. Brett even made him apologize for making her run. It was kinda of cute as Ben was kinda sheepish at that point.

That doesn't change the fact that I'm grateful to him for ending the Lombardi drought, douche bag or not.

I get they get a ton of money. But damn...it must be tiring always going out and having people trying to get your picture / signature / etc.

It is interesting that Ben was friends with largely linemen (and for example Keisel). Ben also seemed to be on friendly terms with Watt (who came on Ben's pod).

[SteelerDayTrader]

You guys are going on and on with this analysis
Maybe Ben was a douche shitty teammate but one hall of clutch qb. Brought you two super bowls. So you overlook the douche shitty teammate part. Pretty simple.

As always, more than one thing can be true at the same time...

Was Ben a jagoff? Definitely

Did he outgrow it? Yes, to a certain extent, especially once he got married and had kids

Was he one of the most club QBs in NFL history? Absolutely! There aren't many Steelers fans who would have wanted anyone else under center when we were trailing late in the 4th quarter. His ability to make something out of nothing is legendary.

I too have " Ben's a douche " story when my wife tried to get his autograph before a preseason game in Minnesota in 08. She was wearing his jersey and saw him coming back from a steakhouse with his O Line and Keisel. He saw her from across the street and crossed at an angle to avoid her. She started running after him but had no chance of catching up. Fortunately for her, 99 also saw her and made Ben stop and sign her book. Brett even made him apologize for making her run. It was kinda of cute as Ben was kinda sheepish at that point.

That doesn't change the fact that I'm grateful to him for ending the Lombardi drought, douche bag or not.

This shit

I don’t blame Ben at all

Especially with all the crazies in Pittsburgh

[Dan Smith--BYU]

Let's not confuse who Ben is and who he WAS.

He was a dumbfuck in his twenties but most of us were. Because of his money and fame, he did some shit he clearly regrets.

[.Kodiak]

Let's not confuse who Ben is and who he WAS.

He was a dumbfuck in his twenties but most of us were. Because of his money and fame, he did some shit he clearly regrets.

Yep, and the main reason we know this about Ben and not thousands of other entitled athletes just like him is because McNutty threw his name in to help her wrongful termination case against Harrah's. And then the GA sorority girls googled it before going out chasing after Ben.

LOL the bad tipping thing was straight out of the Peter King hit piece. I'd bet most of those stories were either shitty service or a generous tip they simply felt should have been more because of how much money Ben had. Dodging autographs is just a kid who hasn't matured to the understanding it goes with the territory.

[Ice]

Once a player retires becomes a member of the media, whatever "code" Porter is talking about is pretty much out the window. He might not do the rounds on BSPN like Clark does, but he's paid to call things like he sees them, and if he didn't, nobody would tune in to the podcast. Ben is at a particular disadvantage here compared to Clark because he isn't in the national media, so he doesn't get to comment on what the Dolphins should do with Tua Tagovailoa or how great it is that Darnold turned it around in Seattle, or two hundred other topics a week. He pretty much only gets to talk about the Steelers, all podcast, every podcast.

[DumlinBumlinStumlin]

Porter was and is still an ass

If he never played for us another player would have been in his place and not so much of an ass

Ben did us a solid

[bradshaw2ben]

You guys are going on and on with this analysis
Maybe Ben was a douche shitty teammate but one hall of clutch qb. Brought you two super bowls. So you overlook the douche shitty teammate part. Pretty simple.

As always, more than one thing can be true at the same time...

Was Ben a jagoff? Definitely

Did he outgrow it? Yes, to a certain extent, especially once he got married and had kids

Was he one of the most club QBs in NFL history? Absolutely! There aren't many Steelers fans who would have wanted anyone else under center when we were trailing late in the 4th quarter. His ability to make something out of nothing is legendary.

I too have " Ben's a douche " story when my wife tried to get his autograph before a preseason game in Minnesota in 08. She was wearing his jersey and saw him coming back from a steakhouse with his O Line and Keisel. He saw her from across the street and crossed at an angle to avoid her. She started running after him but had no chance of catching up. Fortunately for her, 99 also saw her and made Ben stop and sign her book. Brett even made him apologize for making her run. It was kinda of cute as Ben was kinda sheepish at that point.

That doesn't change the fact that I'm grateful to him for ending the Lombardi drought, douche bag or not.

no what I said was exactly right. He was shitty teamate but hell of a qb Everybody on this thread explaining and making excuses just can't keep it simple and admit truth. What you just posted backs up what I am saying. Shitty guy but great player. got you two super bowls.

I think there's a lot more evidence (most of of it antecdotal and circumstantial that you'd object to if it were about you) that he was a dick than there is about him being a bad teammate. I categorically oppose the widely-circulated opinion that he was a bad teammate. I suspect a lot of this comes from outside the room and takes on his radio appearances, where he was always personally accountable but tried to contextualize/explain what went wrong––which is what I think you're looking for when you tune in instead of platitudes. I never thought anything he said on that platform was more than a mild nod toward other vets who should have been as accountable for their mistakes as he was. And there are plenty of examples of him going out of his way to be a good teammate to others that we know of without having to guess.

I also highly suspect that some of those chiming in with agreement to Porter's thread were mad Ben said mean things about them. After he retired Ben DEFINITELY alluded to being saddled with "someone who had never played center before". I'm sure Kendrick Green took offense, even though it was true and didn't mention him by name. And why would Ben have anything good to say about Mike Adams? However, in contrast I'll bet Pouncey & Bettis & Max Starks and Santonio and others on the OL have a different take.

[Ice]

Not sure it's even possible to be as bad a teammate as folks seem to be implying and at the same time play the most important position in one of the ultimate team games at the level Ben did. You end up being Jeff George, or any of many other examples. The logic is off here from Porter and Co.

Sidebar, sheesh, I'd managed to wipe Mike Adams and Mike Mitchell from memory until this thread.

[StillerDownSouth]

Zach Banner and AB had some good things to say about Ben. I appreciate them appreciating him.

Ben was awful nice to my son a few years back, my son helped him get some golf clubs and told Ben we were Steeler fans, Ben asked for his address and sent him autographed cleats and an autographed picture for me.

[franco32]

Bad teammate??? Are you f*ckin kidding me??

Ben spent years standing up for his ABSOLUTE TRASH offensive lines...giving them credit while he was Houdini back there saving our asses.

His teammates should be kissing the ground he walks on. I think some of these people forget what having a HOF QB is like.

[CKSteeler]

As always, more than one thing can be true at the same time...

Was Ben a jagoff? Definitely

Did he outgrow it? Yes, to a certain extent, especially once he got married and had kids

Was he one of the most club QBs in NFL history? Absolutely! There aren't many Steelers fans who would have wanted anyone else under center when we were trailing late in the 4th quarter. His ability to make something out of nothing is legendary.

I too have " Ben's a douche " story when my wife tried to get his autograph before a preseason game in Minnesota in 08. She was wearing his jersey and saw him coming back from a steakhouse with his O Line and Keisel. He saw her from across the street and crossed at an angle to avoid her. She started running after him but had no chance of catching up. Fortunately for her, 99 also saw her and made Ben stop and sign her book. Brett even made him apologize for making her run. It was kinda of cute as Ben was kinda sheepish at that point.

That doesn't change the fact that I'm grateful to him for ending the Lombardi drought, douche bag or not.

no what I said was exactly right. He was shitty teamate but hell of a qb Everybody on this thread explaining and making excuses just can't keep it simple and admit truth. What you just posted backs up what I am saying. Shitty guy but great player. got you two super bowls.

I think there's a lot more evidence (most of of it antecdotal and circumstantial that you'd object to if it were about you) that he was a dick than there is about him being a bad teammate. I categorically oppose the widely-circulated opinion that he was a bad teammate. I suspect a lot of this comes from outside the room and takes on his radio appearances, where he was always personally accountable but tried to contextualize/explain what went wrong––which is what I think you're looking for when you tune in instead of platitudes. I never thought anything he said on that platform was more than a mild nod toward other vets who should have been as accountable for their mistakes as he was. And there are plenty of examples of him going out of his way to be a good teammate to others that we know of without having to guess.

I also highly suspect that some of those chiming in with agreement to Porter's thread were mad Ben said mean things about them. After he retired Ben DEFINITELY alluded to being saddled with "someone who had never played center before". I'm sure Kendrick Green took offense, even though it was true and didn't mention him by name. And why would Ben have anything good to say about Mike Adams? However, in contrast I'll bet Pouncey & Bettis & Max Starks and Santonio and others on the OL have a different take.

One thing I forgot to point out - Mike Adams took a shot at Ben over his past and his character.

Mike Adams allegedly was such a fucking piece of shit to the females on the training staff that it was pretty obviously crossing into the territory of sexual harassment and they were talking about his scrub ass years after he was gone still.

[Steelafan77]

“It’s unbelievable the hate I’ve been seeing from people inside the family!! Especially when we all a call away! If you against Big Ben FUCK YOU, YOU AGAINST ME! CLOUT IS A DISEASE! #1love,” Pouncey wrote
https://www.instagram.com/p/DUrLXOLEa2C/

[Gonzo]

Right On - Maurkice

[Dan Smith--BYU]

Pouncey might have felt differently about 2004 Ben than 2014 Ben.

Miles Garrett seems to be enjoying the offseason.

[Steel Ubaldo]

What a bunch of drama queens I don’t know any of these guys personally. I don’t give a shit how they were to each other….

This is truly just some Bravo tv bullshit. Who cares if Ben was a bad teammate or Peezy didn’t like him? They don’t play for the team anymore. They have all been retired for YEARS. This shit will turn you into a real housewives of Pittsburgh fan

Enjoy I guess

[anpsteel]

Everyone knows Ben was a dickhead early on

I think everyone also knows, Ben wasn’t exactly the most diligent about preparation or staying in shape

With that being said, Joey Porter was always a loudmouth jackass; who generally carried on the persona of being an actual thug

And while I have no idea what kind of teammate Porter was, as a player he was good. Maybe very good. He’ll never be nominated for the Hall of Fame. In general, he was a medium impact player on the field with quite a few top-tier individuals.

The point being if either of the players has the authority to speak out about the Steelers, it is certainly not Joey Porter.

Hopefully somebody with a few more brain cells, has given porters some advice and told him to STFU.

[swissvale72]

Everyone knows Ben was a dickhead early on

I think everyone also knows, Ben wasn’t exactly the most diligent about preparation or staying in shape

With that being said, Joey Porter was always a loudmouth jackass; who generally carried on the persona of being an actual thug

And while I have no idea what kind of teammate Porter was, as a player he was good. Maybe very good. He’ll never be nominated for the Hall of Fame. In general, he was a medium impact player on the field with quite a few top-tier individuals.

The point being if either of the players has the authority to speak out about the Steelers, it is certainly not Joey Porter.

Hopefully somebody with a few more brain cells, has given porters some advice and told him to STFU.

The guy who really needs to give a rest is Cam with his stupid podcast. He's still an effective player, leave it at that and get the fuck off the airwaves.