The Steelers suck threads

[Nick79]

far and away the single biggest problem with this team is cronyism........that begins and ends with dumbfuck rooney and his dumbfuck yinzer minions

There is something to be said about this. I'm so glad Haley's dad worked for the Steelers in the '70s, that's just ever so important to me!

[Legacy User]

H mother fuckers, who ride????

[W&M_Steeler]

5 star post, W&M

Thanks, Orange.

I'm not trying to be pessimistic. I hope that Moore, DHB, Mitchell, and Webb are all fantastic FA signings on the level of Farrior and Hartings. I hope that Jones, Worilds, and Shazier remind us of Harrison, Porter, and Greg Lloyd. I hope that Big Dan and Tuitt and Heyward make the front 3 as dominant as Kimo, Hampton, and Aaron Smith used to be. Maybe they all will. I just think that we all need to remember just how talented this team was and realize that it's tough to keep that level of talent.

[Legacy User]

The off and pre seasons are for bitching. I'm H all the way unless their play in the REAL season warrants otherwise. Right now we're tied for first baby. As The Chin would say "Let's GO!". Time to put some Harrisonesk hurt on those Brown's QBs!! Yeah that's plural because they'll need more than one to get through this game.

Kind of funny that you use Cowher and Harrison in the same sentence since Cowher was the one who let Harrison rot on the bench for an extra year.

[Nick79]

ask yourselves this.....who were the last 2 coaches who offered/promoted anything other than the status quo?.....Arians and the ST guy......both were HUGELY SUCCESSFUL......far more successful than anyone prior for a long time......and far more successful than anyone since.....yet both were canned COMPLETELY WITHOUT CAUSE due to the fact they dared go against the dull grain of yinzerball....

This I agree with, "FAKE RETIREMENT" anyone? Arians was a success, most of his failures was him trying to appease Art2 and embrace "the dull grain of yinzerball"... in the end he was sent into exile, because he was daring to send the offense somehwere that offends many in Yinzer Nation, ...NOT ALL, but enough, and that includes Art2.

[Legacy User]

I'd go with G along with Fury's modification.

These guys better come out with an effing capable plan and sufficient preparation. We can roll to 10-12 wins this season I have no doubt. Tomlin/LeBeau/Haley can't get out coached though.

My old beef was F but Dick was forced into change there.

[StillMadAtSlobber]

I- (but probably closely tied to B) lack of player depth at key positions.

Since it is my site, I'm picking two and my second is another write in: Confidence with overall coaching ability to put together a capable game plan on a consistent basis. This includes HC, OC, DC, ST and OL coaches.

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[StillMadAtSlobber]

ask yourselves this.....who were the last 2 coaches who offered/promoted anything other than the status quo?.....Arians and the ST guy......both were HUGELY SUCCESSFUL......far more successful than anyone prior for a long time......and far more successful than anyone since.....yet both were canned COMPLETELY WITHOUT CAUSE due to the fact they dared go against the dull grain of yinzerball....

This I agree with, "FAKE RETIREMENT" anyone? Arians was a success, most of his failures was him trying to appease Art2 and embrace "the dull grain of yinzerball"... in the end he was sent into exile, because he was daring to send the offense somehwere that offends many in Yinzer Nation, ...NOT ALL, but enough, and that includes Art2.

Wrong, but obvious why you think so, because it fits your agenda.

[Legacy User]

ask yourselves this.....who were the last 2 coaches who offered/promoted anything other than the status quo?.....Arians and the ST guy......both were HUGELY SUCCESSFUL......far more successful than anyone prior for a long time......and far more successful than anyone since.....yet both were canned COMPLETELY WITHOUT CAUSE due to the fact they dared go against the dull grain of yinzerball....

This I agree with, "FAKE RETIREMENT" anyone? Arians was a success, most of his failures was him trying to appease Art2 and embrace "the dull grain of yinzerball"... in the end he was sent into exile, because he was daring to send the offense somehwere that offends many in Yinzer Nation, ...NOT ALL, but enough, and that includes Art2.

He was a failure in the Red zone... Got to love fiction.

[Legacy User]

Arians was fired because Ben was getting killed in his offense. They were trying to protect the franchise by going to a safer offense. You don't have to agree with them. I like attacking downfield with the pass. I didn't need to see Arians fired. But you don't have to go with conspiracy theories either.

[Legacy User]

H.

[Legacy User]

My biggest beef is also, all the whining and negativity that permeates this board. IC I respect your opinions, you seem to be knowledgeable about the game and make good assesments, I dont always agree, but its great to see the optomism and the reasoningfor the upcoming season

Thanks, and I agree. You can't get a read out of preseason because you don't know what the primary goals are. Starting week 1, we know what the goals are, it's to win football games.

I'm concerned about run defense, I'm concerned about Mike Mitchell, and Kelvin Beachum. I'm concerned the offense won't open the season with a sense of urgency and try to play attrition football with a defense that isn't what it used to be.

But I also know its a long season with good coaches that can make adjustments accordingly. I think AB will get so much attention that Markus Wheaton and Lance Moore will get a lot of room to work in space and YAC will add up. I think Leveon Bell can catch 70 balls and rush for a thousand. But. Most importantly I think #7 is fianally ready to put this team in his back.

[steelclan]

My biggest beef is also, all the whining and negativity that permeates this board. IC I respect your opinions, you seem to be knowledgeable about the game and make good assesments, I dont always agree, but its great to see the optomism and the reasoningfor the upcoming season

Thanks, and I agree. You can't get a read out of preseason because you don't know what the primary goals are. Starting week 1, we know what the goals are, it's to win football games.

I'm concerned about run defense, I'm concerned about Mike Mitchell, and Kelvin Beachum. I'm concerned the offense won't open the season with a sense of urgency and try to play attrition football with a defense that isn't what it used to be.

But I also know its a long season with good coaches that can make adjustments accordingly. I think AB will get so much attention that Markus Wheaton and Lance Moore will get a lot of room to work in space and YAC will add up. I think Leveon Bell can catch 70 balls and rush for a thousand. But. Most importantly I think #7 is fianally ready to put this team in his back.

I sure hope so. I worry about Mitchell as well, was he product of a magnificent front 7 in Carolina or did the light truly come on? I dont worry about the run D in base the concern is the nickel. In that sense playing the Browns should help, Browns simply dont have the players to spread PS out.

[lifelongsteel]

My biggest beef is also, all the whining and negativity that permeates this board. IC I respect your opinions, you seem to be knowledgeable about the game and make good assesments, I dont always agree, but its great to see the optomism and the reasoningfor the upcoming season

Thanks, and I agree. You can't get a read out of preseason because you don't know what the primary goals are. Starting week 1, we know what the goals are, it's to win football games.

I'm concerned about run defense, I'm concerned about Mike Mitchell, and Kelvin Beachum. I'm concerned the offense won't open the season with a sense of urgency and try to play attrition football with a defense that isn't what it used to be.

But I also know its a long season with good coaches that can make adjustments accordingly. I think AB will get so much attention that Markus Wheaton and Lance Moore will get a lot of room to work in space and YAC will add up. I think Leveon Bell can catch 70 balls and rush for a thousand. But. Most importantly I think #7 is fianally ready to put this team in his back.

Well said IC.

I'm riding

[Orangesteel]

Well the primary goals of last preseason looked a whole lot like the primary goals of this preseason. Lets hope the finished product ends up a little different.

People don't care what the final score of a preseason game is. Nobody on this site is saying that. Having your starting offense and starting defense perform well, however, can be important. CAN BE.

For teams like the Seahawks and Broncos, both teams shined in the preseason because they have talent, good coaching and they execute. The Steelers looked a lot like they did last August, we said "oh, it's just preseason", and then weeks 1-8 happened.

What I'm trying to say is the teams with talent show it off in the preseason. Doesn't mean they win the game, but they show off. We didn't show much. Still waiting for Rooney to refund money from the Panther game.

[bradshaw2ben]

ask yourselves this.....who were the last 2 coaches who offered/promoted anything other than the status quo?.....Arians and the ST guy......both were HUGELY SUCCESSFUL......far more successful than anyone prior for a long time......and far more successful than anyone since.....yet both were canned COMPLETELY WITHOUT CAUSE due to the fact they dared go against the dull grain of yinzerball....

This I agree with, "FAKE RETIREMENT" anyone? Arians was a success, most of his failures was him trying to appease Art2 and embrace "the dull grain of yinzerball"... in the end he was sent into exile, because he was daring to send the offense somehwere that offends many in Yinzer Nation, ...NOT ALL, but enough, and that includes Art2.

He was a failure in the Red zone... Got to love fiction.

I think they led the league in red zone percentage in 2007-- gotta love fiction

[Legacy User]

Well the primary goals of last preseason looked a whole lot like the primary goals of this preseason. Lets hope the finished product ends up a little different.

People don't care what the final score of a preseason game is. Nobody on this site is saying that. Having your starting offense and starting defense perform well, however, can be important. CAN BE.

For teams like the Seahawks and Broncos, both teams shined in the preseason because they have talent, good coaching and they execute. The Steelers looked a lot like they did last August, we said "oh, it's just preseason", and then weeks 1-8 happened.

What I'm trying to say is the teams with talent show it off in the preseason. Doesn't mean they win the game, but they show off. We didn't show much. Still waiting for Rooney to refund money from the Panther game.

I get that it's your perception

Reality is none of this translates into regular season. I live amongst a large population of Browns fans who are way too optimistic based on their teams play in preseason

Means nothing

[Legacy User]

I don't think they led league in 07 but were top 5 but they were pretty bad in RZ ever since

[bradshaw2ben]

I don't think they led league in 07 but were top 5 but they were pretty bad in RZ ever since

Arians' red zone decline coincided with the loss of a stud RB and Ward's decline as the top red zone weapon, not to mention an OL that was cobbled together horseshit

P.S.: What have Haley's rankings been? Basically the same, if not worse on average. Having Bell helps... Cotchery did some good stuff, Miller less so-- the ineffectiveness continues.

Ben also got hit just as much the past couple of years-- just got sacked less... and neutralized their own offense by eliminating intermediate routes and deep middle... and scored fewer points/won fewer games.

[Mick]

Steelers redzone rankings:
2003: 16
2004: 21
2005: 4
2006: 17
2007: 7
2008: 14
2009: 22
2010: 15
2011: 17
2012: 12
2013: 16

[bradshaw2ben]

yeah they tailed off a bit near the end of 2007-- had been tops near the midway point of the season that year, IIRC

[Nick79]

ask yourselves this.....who were the last 2 coaches who offered/promoted anything other than the status quo?.....Arians and the ST guy......both were HUGELY SUCCESSFUL......far more successful than anyone prior for a long time......and far more successful than anyone since.....yet both were canned COMPLETELY WITHOUT CAUSE due to the fact they dared go against the dull grain of yinzerball....

This I agree with, "FAKE RETIREMENT" anyone? Arians was a success, most of his failures was him trying to appease Art2 and embrace "the dull grain of yinzerball"... in the end he was sent into exile, because he was daring to send the offense somehwere that offends many in Yinzer Nation, ...NOT ALL, but enough, and that includes Art2.

Wrong, but obvious why you think so, because it fits your agenda.

Right, but obvious why I think so, because it fits the facts.

[Legacy User]

I would like to see more long and intermediate routes myself B2B, I wasn't overly impressed with BA or Todd but I still have hope that with more no huddle Ben will be our Savior, if BA would have let Ben do more of it he possibly could have saved his job. We were most successful in no huddle when BA was OC as well. It took way too long to get to this point

[Nick79]

Steelers redzone rankings:
2003: 16
2004: 21
2005: 4
2006: 17
2007: 7
2008: 14
2009: 22
2010: 15
2011: 17
2012: 12
2013: 16

For the most part they've been trending down. See how many TDs Ben threw in 2007, 32, I'm sure that helped the RZ numbers, of course we had to reign that in! If you can't "pound it in from a couple yards out, ya don't deserve 7"

[jeemie]

ask yourselves this.....who were the last 2 coaches who offered/promoted anything other than the status quo?.....Arians and the ST guy......both were HUGELY SUCCESSFUL......far more successful than anyone prior for a long time......and far more successful than anyone since.....yet both were canned COMPLETELY WITHOUT CAUSE due to the fact they dared go against the dull grain of yinzerball and the backslapping simpletons who understand nothing else, particularly the ones who permeate infest and control this team

While I agree there is cronyism in the Steelers, especially in the scouting departmenr, your assertions are sheer speculation.

[Legacy User]

I would like to see more long and intermediate routes myself B2B, I wasn't overly impressed with BA or Todd but I still have hope that with more no huddle Ben will be our Savior, if BA would have let Ben do more of it he possibly could have saved his job. We were most successful in no huddle when BA was OC as well. It took way too long to get to this point

BA was putting more and more on Bens shoulders and arm...its a big reason if not THE reason he was "retired"

[Nick79]

I would like to see more long and intermediate routes myself B2B, I wasn't overly impressed with BA or Todd but I still have hope that with more no huddle Ben will be our Savior, if BA would have let Ben do more of it he possibly could have saved his job. We were most successful in no huddle when BA was OC as well. It took way too long to get to this point

BA was putting more and more on Bens shoulders and arm...its a big reason if not THE reason he was "retired"

And a lot of the reason they won at the highest levels during his years was just that.

[Legacy User]

I agree Greek but Ben was still at his best while in no huddle and he has proved that he is not against running ball in the no huddle so both Todd and BA should have let him do it earlier on. Ben has a great feel for the game, I can't wait to see what he will do this year even with mediocre talent around him

[lifelongsteel]

Arians was running an offense that was getting Ben killed.

[Nick79]

Arians was running an offense that was getting Ben killed.

2007 10-6, Division Champ
2008 12-4, Super Bowl Champ
2009, 9-7
2010, 12-4, AFC Champ
2011, 12-4, Playoffs

Now that Bruce is gone, and Ben is safe and healthy, 8-8 TWICE.