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Post by AirRescueFF » Wed Oct 09, 2024 12:36 am

Pabst wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 2:47 pm
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Not even close actually.

The Steelers MADE the playoffs just last season.

It's that whole WINNING an actual playoff game that's going to set new records.
We're even further away from that record.

Kansas City went 22 years between playoff wins (1993-2015)

Cleveland went 26 years (1994-2020) (Sorry for hijacking, but thanks again, Tomlin!)

Buffalo went 25 years (1995-2020)

The longest current droughts are:
Miami is sitting at 24 years and counting (last win was 2000 season)
Vegas is at 22 years (last win was the 2002 AFCCG)
Washington is sitting at 18 years (last win 2005)


Someone can double check this, but I believe the Lions win last seasons ended the longest drought of the Super Bowl era (32 years)

To add more salt/context to the above...

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Post by Havoc » Wed Oct 09, 2024 12:59 am

Orangesteel wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 8:21 pm
Pabst wrote:
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Robert Saleh considered firing Jets OC Nathaniel Hackett prior to getting his own pink slip from Woody Johnson

Saleh could have made the move to fire Hackett as early as Tuesday, sources tell CBS Sports
Can't be threatening Aaron Rodger's buddies like that. Out you go!
Very believable. Rodgers is basically the only player in the league that likes or respects Hackett, and that’s because he’s QAaron’s puppet.

If I'm the Jets, I want Hackett because Aaron is an OC on the field at this point in his career. It probably won't work out for them in the end, Aaron is aging and the talent overall has question marks. But I brought Aaron here to be Aaron and to run his offense. The dude has done a lot in this league, was probably at the top of his position for a period of time. I think many have forgotten how talented that guy was. Had Seattle beaten in an NFCCG playing on 1 leg.
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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Wed Oct 09, 2024 2:10 am

The Jets are a long way from being able to consistently field a winning QB

They need a winning culture first

They fucked up firing Saleh IMO
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Post by RemoAZ » Wed Oct 09, 2024 2:10 am

Holy shit they had to escort him out of the building. They REALLY need Mike Tomlin to right that ship!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/se ... c980&ei=44
New York Jets owner Woody Johnson’s been tolerant – over the last 24 years he’s never once fired a coach mid-season. But that changed earlier today, when Johnson finally fired Robert Saleh, head coach for the Jets since 2021. Speaking of the firing, Woody Johnson said, “This was not an easy decision, but we are not where we should be given our expectations and I believe now is the best time for us to move in a different direction.”

And to pile scandal on top of scandal, Saleh had to be escorted out of the building by team security. That’s less than a peaceful exit, and evidence of just how bad things had gotten inside the team. Quarterback Aaron Rodgers hasn’t spoken out about the issue, but rumors swirl that he is to blame. Apparently tensions were high between the two in the runup to the sacking.
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Post by stillthere » Wed Oct 09, 2024 2:46 am

anpsteel wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 4:22 pm
langer wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 2:31 pm
Ha, only a 22 page FIRE SALEH thread over here.

https://forums.theganggreen.com/threads ... ow.100353/

This might explain some of it.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/re ... r-AA1rNc64
Yeah, I suspect the Lebanese flag has more to do with it than anything else

Of course, it could be Aaron Rogers pushing his weight
That had nothing to do with it. Is Arthur Smith gonna catch flack for the Scottish flag he had on his sideline attire? The league wants players to rep the flags to grow the international pool of money they can sell to.

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Post by stillthere » Wed Oct 09, 2024 2:48 am

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Sign him as Revenge for him as defensive consultant for next week's Sunday night game!

Inside scoop!!
That is a good idea so we will not employ it.

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Post by stillthere » Wed Oct 09, 2024 2:50 am

RemoAZ wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 6:57 pm
Mike Tomlin to the Jets. Let's speak it into existence. Someone call Rich Eisen and get him to start salivating over it.

Couple of non-losing seasons would be heaven to them.
So is T_mlin to the Jets gonna be like Cowher to the Chiefs and will it need its own thread? Inquiring minds want to know.

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Post by stillthere » Wed Oct 09, 2024 2:54 am

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Good lord with the political nonsense here
Saleh was fired because he is a poor and offensively challenge coach …. Hint hint hint Mr Rooney
Someone had a graphic up where the Jets under Saleh have been outscored in the first half by 270ish points in the first half of games, had like 70 more penalties than the opponents, there was another one or two things that were pretty bad as well I just don't recall them all. At least 4 things on the list.

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Post by stillthere » Wed Oct 09, 2024 4:17 am

Here are the numbers
Here are the numbers
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Post by Jobu » Wed Oct 09, 2024 4:27 am

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So Rodgers little toadie McAfee is lauding Saleh’s firing? Hmmm….

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Post by CKSteeler » Wed Oct 09, 2024 5:44 am

stillthere wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 2:46 am
anpsteel wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 4:22 pm
langer wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 2:31 pm
Ha, only a 22 page FIRE SALEH thread over here.

https://forums.theganggreen.com/threads ... ow.100353/

This might explain some of it.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/re ... r-AA1rNc64
Yeah, I suspect the Lebanese flag has more to do with it than anything else

Of course, it could be Aaron Rogers pushing his weight
That had nothing to do with it. Is Arthur Smith gonna catch flack for the Scottish flag he had on his sideline attire? The league wants players to rep the flags to grow the international pool of money they can sell to.
I mean, I don't care your politics. It's pretty apparent that wearing a Lebanese flag could be perceived as a political statement right now where as no one gives a shit about someone sporting a Scottish flag. Unless they're at war or have done anything that could be perceived as offensive of late and I missed it.

Woody Johnson almost certainly does not support Lebanon right now.

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Post by Ice » Wed Oct 09, 2024 9:43 am

stillthere wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 2:46 am
anpsteel wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 4:22 pm
langer wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 2:31 pm
Ha, only a 22 page FIRE SALEH thread over here.

https://forums.theganggreen.com/threads ... ow.100353/

This might explain some of it.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/re ... r-AA1rNc64
Yeah, I suspect the Lebanese flag has more to do with it than anything else

Of course, it could be Aaron Rogers pushing his weight
That had nothing to do with it. Is Arthur Smith gonna catch flack for the Scottish flag he had on his sideline attire? The league wants players to rep the flags to grow the international pool of money they can sell to.
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Post by stillthere » Wed Oct 09, 2024 1:46 pm

Jobu wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 4:27 am
stillthere wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 4:17 am
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So Rodgers little toadie McAfee is lauding Saleh’s firing? Hmmm….
If you watched the segment then you would know that that is not the case. Those #'s are horrible.

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Post by anpsteel » Wed Oct 09, 2024 1:46 pm

Havoc wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 12:59 am
Orangesteel wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 8:21 pm
Pabst wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 8:15 pm


Can't be threatening Aaron Rodger's buddies like that. Out you go!
Very believable. Rodgers is basically the only player in the league that likes or respects Hackett, and that’s because he’s QAaron’s puppet.

If I'm the Jets, I want Hackett because Aaron is an OC on the field at this point in his career. It probably won't work out for them in the end, Aaron is aging and the talent overall has question marks. But I brought Aaron here to be Aaron and to run his offense. The dude has done a lot in this league, was probably at the top of his position for a period of time. I think many have forgotten how talented that guy was. Had Seattle beaten in an NFCCG playing on 1 leg.
I did read that Saleh demoted Hackett and within minutes he was fired.

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Post by Steeldrama » Wed Oct 09, 2024 2:06 pm

anpsteel wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 1:46 pm
Havoc wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 12:59 am
Orangesteel wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 8:21 pm


Very believable. Rodgers is basically the only player in the league that likes or respects Hackett, and that’s because he’s QAaron’s puppet.

If I'm the Jets, I want Hackett because Aaron is an OC on the field at this point in his career. It probably won't work out for them in the end, Aaron is aging and the talent overall has question marks. But I brought Aaron here to be Aaron and to run his offense. The dude has done a lot in this league, was probably at the top of his position for a period of time. I think many have forgotten how talented that guy was. Had Seattle beaten in an NFCCG playing on 1 leg.
I did read that Saleh demoted Hackett and within minutes he was fired.
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I dig McAfee but tonight I will fast forward over the Aaron Rodgers segment where he denies having anything to do with Saleh's firing.

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Stosh-67 wrote:
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Would he have been fired if he had a Israeli flag patch?
How about they play football.
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from their car mirror,
on their suit into the stadium.

Come thru the tunnel....
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Wed Oct 09, 2024 2:12 pm

Gonzo wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 9:38 pm
Good lord with the political nonsense here
Saleh was fired because he is a poor and offensively challenge coach …. Hint hint hint Mr Rooney
Reportedly, Saleh wanted to fire the OC, who is the QB's buddy. The NYJ aren't great but they currently have the NFL's 23rd offense and the 12th defense. So, they fired the defense guy because he wanted to fire the OC.
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Wed Oct 09, 2024 2:16 pm

CKSteeler wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 5:44 am
stillthere wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 2:46 am
anpsteel wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 4:22 pm


Yeah, I suspect the Lebanese flag has more to do with it than anything else

Of course, it could be Aaron Rogers pushing his weight
That had nothing to do with it. Is Arthur Smith gonna catch flack for the Scottish flag he had on his sideline attire? The league wants players to rep the flags to grow the international pool of money they can sell to.
I mean, I don't care your politics. It's pretty apparent that wearing a Lebanese flag could be perceived as a political statement right now where as no one gives a shit about someone sporting a Scottish flag. Unless they're at war or have done anything that could be perceived as offensive of late and I missed it.

Woody Johnson almost certainly does not support Lebanon right now.
Again, we're not here to talk politics, but you're misinformed if you think Lebanon is at war with anybody.
This whole angle of the story is a giant red herring. Follow the money.
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Wed Oct 09, 2024 2:17 pm

Ice wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 9:43 am
stillthere wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 2:46 am
anpsteel wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 4:22 pm


Yeah, I suspect the Lebanese flag has more to do with it than anything else

Of course, it could be Aaron Rogers pushing his weight
That had nothing to do with it. Is Arthur Smith gonna catch flack for the Scottish flag he had on his sideline attire? The league wants players to rep the flags to grow the international pool of money they can sell to.
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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Wed Oct 09, 2024 2:28 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 2:16 pm
CKSteeler wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 5:44 am
stillthere wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 2:46 am


That had nothing to do with it. Is Arthur Smith gonna catch flack for the Scottish flag he had on his sideline attire? The league wants players to rep the flags to grow the international pool of money they can sell to.
I mean, I don't care your politics. It's pretty apparent that wearing a Lebanese flag could be perceived as a political statement right now where as no one gives a shit about someone sporting a Scottish flag. Unless they're at war or have done anything that could be perceived as offensive of late and I missed it.

Woody Johnson almost certainly does not support Lebanon right now.
Again, we're not here to talk politics, but you're misinformed if you think Lebanon is at war with anybody.
This whole angle of the story is a giant red herring. Follow the money.
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Post by Havoc » Wed Oct 09, 2024 2:57 pm

If A. Rodgers wasn't on the team, how many of you would be blinking an eye if Saleh was fired?

Again, heard Mike Greenberg today say Saleh is a bad HC, Again, as a lifelong passionate Jets fan, I'll bet Greeny is far more immersed in that team than anyone on this board.

Also, reported, the owner was out of the country during the Saleh hire. Also reported, the owner has been thinking about making this move for 2 years.

Panel concensus being the owner was thinking of making this move even before the season started.

Also reported, the owner met with the coaches before their last game and told them this game is a must win. So if the Jets had won, Saleh probably still has the job.

Don't let anything stand in the way of your Aaron Rodgers hate though.
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Post by swissvale72 » Wed Oct 09, 2024 3:45 pm

Havoc wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 2:57 pm
If A. Rodgers wasn't on the team, how many of you would be blinking an eye if Saleh was fired?

Again, heard Mike Greenberg today say Saleh is a bad HC, Again, as a lifelong passionate Jets fan, I'll bet Greeny is far more immersed in that team than anyone on this board.

Also, reported, the owner was out of the country during the Saleh hire. Also reported, the owner has been thinking about making this move for 2 years.

Panel concensus being the owner was thinking of making this move even before the season started.

Also reported, the owner met with the coaches before their last game and told them this game is a must win. So if the Jets had won, Saleh probably still has the job.

Don't let anything stand in the way of your Aaron Rodgers hate though.
I think greeny was calling for his firing LAST week

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Post by Pabst » Wed Oct 09, 2024 4:05 pm

Havoc wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 2:57 pm
If A. Rodgers wasn't on the team, how many of you would be blinking an eye if Saleh was fired?

"If the situation was completely different, you'd all be having a different reaction"

Yes. This is true.

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Post by stillthere » Wed Oct 09, 2024 4:07 pm

CKSteeler wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 5:44 am
stillthere wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 2:46 am
anpsteel wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 4:22 pm


Yeah, I suspect the Lebanese flag has more to do with it than anything else

Of course, it could be Aaron Rogers pushing his weight
That had nothing to do with it. Is Arthur Smith gonna catch flack for the Scottish flag he had on his sideline attire? The league wants players to rep the flags to grow the international pool of money they can sell to.
I mean, I don't care your politics. It's pretty apparent that wearing a Lebanese flag could be perceived as a political statement right now where as no one gives a shit about someone sporting a Scottish flag. Unless they're at war or have done anything that could be perceived as offensive of late and I missed it.

Woody Johnson almost certainly does not support Lebanon right now.
Because where your parents are from is going to cause people to treat you differently once you have established yourself as a professional. That makes no sense.

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Post by Havoc » Wed Oct 09, 2024 6:00 pm

anpsteel wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 1:46 pm
Havoc wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 12:59 am
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Tue Oct 08, 2024 8:21 pm


Very believable. Rodgers is basically the only player in the league that likes or respects Hackett, and that’s because he’s QAaron’s puppet.

If I'm the Jets, I want Hackett because Aaron is an OC on the field at this point in his career. It probably won't work out for them in the end, Aaron is aging and the talent overall has question marks. But I brought Aaron here to be Aaron and to run his offense. The dude has done a lot in this league, was probably at the top of his position for a period of time. I think many have forgotten how talented that guy was. Had Seattle beaten in an NFCCG playing on 1 leg.
I did read that Saleh demoted Hackett and within minutes he was fired.

I read that he wanted to. Regardless, it was about as smart as his handling of the Cadence issue.

I'm not demoting the guy hired to lure Rodgers here to begin with.

Saleh was in over his head.
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Post by Gonzo » Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:00 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 2:12 pm
Gonzo wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 9:38 pm
Good lord with the political nonsense here
Saleh was fired because he is a poor and offensively challenge coach …. Hint hint hint Mr Rooney
Reportedly, Saleh wanted to fire the OC, who is the QB's buddy. The NYJ aren't great but they currently have the NFL's 23rd offense and the 12th defense. So, they fired the defense guy because he wanted to fire the OC.
saleh still has not been a good coach - sure the jets have some problems but he is one of them

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Post by anpsteel » Wed Oct 09, 2024 8:12 pm

Havoc wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 6:00 pm
anpsteel wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2024 1:46 pm
Havoc wrote:
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If I'm the Jets, I want Hackett because Aaron is an OC on the field at this point in his career. It probably won't work out for them in the end, Aaron is aging and the talent overall has question marks. But I brought Aaron here to be Aaron and to run his offense. The dude has done a lot in this league, was probably at the top of his position for a period of time. I think many have forgotten how talented that guy was. Had Seattle beaten in an NFCCG playing on 1 leg.
I did read that Saleh demoted Hackett and within minutes he was fired.

I read that he wanted to. Regardless, it was about as smart as his handling of the Cadence issue.

I'm not demoting the guy hired to lure Rodgers here to begin with.

Saleh was in over his head.
Probably

It seems like a clusterphuk, no matter how you look at it

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