Sounds like Watt is being shopped

A place to talk Steelers football and what else is going on around the NFL
User avatar
steelmann58
Posts: 5157
Joined: Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:38 pm

Re: Sounds like Watt is being shopped

Post by steelmann58 » Sun Jul 06, 2025 4:14 am

Coaching is below par no question but this fall on tomlin for that crap
Last edited by steelmann58 on Sun Jul 06, 2025 8:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.



Steeldrama
Posts: 2410
Joined: Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:44 pm

Post by Steeldrama » Sun Jul 06, 2025 1:13 pm

cop1211 wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 2:44 am
Trade Watt and 5th rounder to Washington for their 1st, 3rd, and WR McClaughlin.

Assuming the WR you are referring to is Terry McLaurin then I can totally see the logic of this trade idea.

With young stud Jayden Daniels at QB, the Skins have every right to fancy themselves a title contender.

Washington has a solid secondary lead by scUM's Mike Sainristill, but their front 7 sucks goat balls.

Yep

Big money owner Josh Harris could easily push for a blockbuster trade like this to help further push his new stadium agenda.

Your beloved Steelers would then have a much needed second 1st round pick along with a few 3rds to go franchise QB shopping with in front of the home crowd (please don't kowtow to the Happy Valley homers and draft Drew Allar).

Yep (again)

I fully support the idea to trade Watt.

I just don't think it will happen.

Watt all about stats and a big, fat, paycheck (a cousin of NHALS).

My behind the scenes guess is that Minkah got dealt because he was insubordinate.

Kid won Natties with Nick.

He knows a good coach when he sees one.

Last I checked Minkah doesn't wear glasses.
Nick Markakis on Astros: "Every guy over there needs a beating."

User avatar
Ice
Posts: 6774
Joined: Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:41 pm
Location: Delawhere?

Post by Ice » Sun Jul 06, 2025 1:32 pm

I don't know that many Happy Valley homers enamored with Allar at this point.
Nothing left to do but smile, smile, smile...

Steeldrama
Posts: 2410
Joined: Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:44 pm

Post by Steeldrama » Sun Jul 06, 2025 3:07 pm

Ice wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 1:32 pm
I don't know that many Happy Valley homers enamored with Allar at this point.
Really???

Admittedly, I'm out kinda outta touch living down here in Georgia, but the couple diehards I know are talking National Title (and Big Ten supremacy. Insert vomit emoji here).

I guess I can see the hype. I'm behind on my summer reading, but hard not to like the ground attack with Singleton and the sun dial slow power back whose name escapes me.

I've soured on Allar, but was pretty clear to see he had nobody of quality to throw to other than Warren.

Assuming Jimmy Franklin upgraded the receiving room, I can see Allar at least winning another playoff game sealing his 1st round status.
Nick Markakis on Astros: "Every guy over there needs a beating."

User avatar
K_C_
Posts: 31810
Joined: Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:37 pm
Location: Boca Raton, Florida
Contact:

Post by K_C_ » Sun Jul 06, 2025 3:11 pm

Steeldrama wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 1:13 pm
cop1211 wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 2:44 am
Trade Watt and 5th rounder to Washington for their 1st, 3rd, and WR McClaughlin.

Assuming the WR you are referring to is Terry McLaurin then I can totally see the logic of this trade idea.

With young stud Jayden Daniels at QB, the Skins have every right to fancy themselves a title contender.

Washington has a solid secondary lead by scUM's Mike Sainristill, but their front 7 sucks goat balls.

Yep

Big money owner Josh Harris could easily push for a blockbuster trade like this to help further push his new stadium agenda.

Your beloved Steelers would then have a much needed second 1st round pick along with a few 3rds to go franchise QB shopping with in front of the home crowd (please don't kowtow to the Happy Valley homers and draft Drew Allar).

Yep (again)

I fully support the idea to trade Watt.

I just don't think it will happen.

Watt all about stats and a big, fat, paycheck (a cousin of NHALS).

My behind the scenes guess is that Minkah got dealt because he was insubordinate.

Kid won Natties with Nick.

He knows a good coach when he sees one.

Last I checked Minkah doesn't wear glasses.
Just a couple of thoughts.

I don’t think Washington would give the Steelers a first rounder along with one of the best WR’s in the game who is easily Washington’s most dangerous offensive player after Daniels. McLaurin also is still in his prime while TJ might be on the outskirts of his. Watt definitely has a few high level years left but not many. Also, isn’t Washington’s issue with McLaurin about money? After what the Steelers just paid DK Metcalf, I do not see them backing up the Brinks truck for McLaurin too. That’s why one of Green Baiy’s young and not yet highly paid WR’s makes a lot more sense to me.

Fitzpatrick’s situation is pretty weird and insubordination could be the issue but it could also simply be that the way Minkah is used in the Steelers system, he isn’t worth the money he’s being paid. We’ve all been wondering for the last few years why Fitzpatrick has been a ghost and although I love the guy, he’s also fucked up on the field (especially last year) more than I ever thought possible. Moving Minkah to SS is no longer an option because Elliott is firmly entrenched there and is playing like a star. If you’re going all in for one final go round with Aaron Rodgers before the inevitable rebuild, a year of Jalen Ramsey opposite JPJ along with Darius Slay makes sense.

Minkah didn’t really look like his heart was in it anymore anyway. A change of scenery might do him good.
"...It's very difficult to keep the line between the past and the present... Do you know what I mean...?"

Edith 'Little Edie' Bouvier Beale

User avatar
Ice
Posts: 6774
Joined: Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:41 pm
Location: Delawhere?

Post by Ice » Sun Jul 06, 2025 3:33 pm

Steeldrama wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 3:07 pm
Ice wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 1:32 pm
I don't know that many Happy Valley homers enamored with Allar at this point.
Really???

Admittedly, I'm out kinda outta touch living down here in Georgia, but the couple diehards I know are talking National Title (and Big Ten supremacy. Insert vomit emoji here).

I guess I can see the hype. I'm behind on my summer reading, but hard not to like the ground attack with Singleton and the sun dial slow power back whose name escapes me.

I've soured on Allar, but was pretty clear to see he had nobody of quality to throw to other than Warren.

Assuming Jimmy Franklin upgraded the receiving room, I can see Allar at least winning another playoff game sealing his 1st round status.
The high hopes for PSU from most I talk to up here center around Allar and Franklin as the two big ifs in a title run.
Nothing left to do but smile, smile, smile...

Steeldrama
Posts: 2410
Joined: Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:44 pm

Post by Steeldrama » Sun Jul 06, 2025 3:33 pm

That’s why one of Green Baiy’s young and not yet highly paid WR’s makes a lot more sense to me.
Yep.

I floated this before as well, but in reading about the possibility from the Packers POV it's a no go unless they break code and give a player over 30 a lucrative long term contract.

I think the Steelers keep Watt anyway.

The Minkah trade was Tomlin pushing all in for a playoff win.

No shot without his NHALS binky that is TJ Watt.
Nick Markakis on Astros: "Every guy over there needs a beating."

User avatar
K_C_
Posts: 31810
Joined: Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:37 pm
Location: Boca Raton, Florida
Contact:

Post by K_C_ » Sun Jul 06, 2025 4:43 pm

Steeldrama wrote:
Sun Jul 06, 2025 3:33 pm
That’s why one of Green Baiy’s young and not yet highly paid WR’s makes a lot more sense to me.
Yep.

I floated this before as well, but in reading about the possibility from the Packers POV it's a no go unless they break code and give a player over 30 a lucrative long term contract.

I think the Steelers keep Watt anyway.

The Minkah trade was Tomlin pushing all in for a playoff win.

No shot without his NHALS binky that is TJ Watt.
100% agree that Mike Tomlin would love to keep Watt for another NHALS run.

That doesn't mean Omar Khan wants to keep Watt for another NHALS run and I don't think Mike Tomlin is the dude calling the shots anymore in Pittsburgh.

Sure, Tomlin still has plenty of influence but I don't think Mikey T. has as much influence as he did in the Kevin Colbert era. The NHALS bullshit is pretty played out, even in the media. The shine is off Cool Shades.

Mike Tomlin might be an idiot but I don't think Omar Khan is an idiot and while Watt might be the Steelers most popular player and the face of the franchise now with Ben gone, Minkah was most definitely in the top 5 (if not top 3) popularity wise and he just got dealt.

Khan knows the Steelers absolutely have to draft a franchise level QB next year (with the draft being in Pittsburgh!) and if you keep TJ Watt, you're probably drafting in the very late teens or early 20's.

You trade Watt and you can move up into the top ten or possibly top five.

I do not think Watt returning is a guarantee.
"...It's very difficult to keep the line between the past and the present... Do you know what I mean...?"

Edith 'Little Edie' Bouvier Beale

User avatar
steelmann58
Posts: 5157
Joined: Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:38 pm

Post by steelmann58 » Sun Jul 06, 2025 8:52 pm

Good year to keep and eye on a few college Qb this season. I have two particular kids. Btw I am for trading TJ forvthe right deal.

Jams
Posts: 220
Joined: Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:10 am

Post by Jams » Mon Jul 07, 2025 12:31 pm

Thrillsseeker wrote:
Tue Jul 01, 2025 12:50 am
If Watt gets traded for a haul. Two 1sts or some asinine boatload of high picks, a 1st, two #2’s etc, I’d likely tear a shoulder attempting a cartwheel.
Ahh yes trade a top 10 edge rusher in NFL history for let's say Kenny "small hands" Pickett and Brodrick "on roller skates" Jones. You never trade a sure thing for 2 crap shots at a first.

Thrillsseeker
Posts: 5413
Joined: Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:42 pm

Post by Thrillsseeker » Mon Jul 07, 2025 1:07 pm

Jams wrote:
Mon Jul 07, 2025 12:31 pm
Thrillsseeker wrote:
Tue Jul 01, 2025 12:50 am
If Watt gets traded for a haul. Two 1sts or some asinine boatload of high picks, a 1st, two #2’s etc, I’d likely tear a shoulder attempting a cartwheel.
Ahh yes trade a top 10 edge rusher in NFL history for let's say Kenny "small hands" Pickett and Brodrick "on roller skates" Jones. You never trade a sure thing for 2 crap shots at a first.
What if it’s a Big Ben type vs Kenny little hands picket. I’d take tha chance before shelling out 40+ mill a yr for a vet that could easily start to be injury plagued worse than has been.

Gonzo
Posts: 1202
Joined: Fri Sep 27, 2019 11:23 am

Post by Gonzo » Mon Jul 07, 2025 4:50 pm

Everyone should give a listen to Cowher when he talks Steelers on NFL Radio/XM .... he has been right about most everything and has good insight.
Last week -- he said the Steelers were "embarrassed" by the Ravens in the playoffs not just in the margin but how they played. He said things there are obviously broken ... and on the heals of other playoff losses they had to either fix "the players executing the plan or the plan" and its obvious the choice they made. He only ever speaks about the Steelers in neutral terms - not negatives or positives. Got the sense though he didnt really agree that this was the right choice.

That choice could have been guessed by all here as we know there is know way Tomlin will admit its the Plan or the Staff.

However, this does start to look more and more like a possible finale for Tomlin.
This goes south he is gone -- any measure of success and he calls it vindication and moves on as he does not want to coach a rookie QB and rebuild

Deebo
Posts: 2131
Joined: Wed Aug 25, 2021 12:22 pm

Post by Deebo » Mon Jul 07, 2025 5:11 pm

Gonzo wrote:
Mon Jul 07, 2025 4:50 pm
Everyone should give a listen to Cowher when he talks Steelers on NFL Radio/XM .... he has been right about most everything and has good insight.
Last week -- he said the Steelers were "embarrassed" by the Ravens in the playoffs not just in the margin but how they played. He said things there are obviously broken ... and on the heals of other playoff losses they had to either fix "the players executing the plan or the plan" and its obvious the choice they made. He only ever speaks about the Steelers in neutral terms - not negatives or positives. Got the sense though he didnt really agree that this was the right choice.

That choice could have been guessed by all here as we know there is know way Tomlin will admit its the Plan or the Staff.

However, this does start to look more and more like a possible finale for Tomlin.
This goes south he is gone -- any measure of success and he calls it vindication and moves on as he does not want to coach a rookie QB and rebuild
If Tomlin gets canned, that will make it 2 for 2 in terms of coaches I hated getting the boot. Mikey Sullivan being the other.

I'm ready for a new era in hockey and football. It's been fucking brutal lately

User avatar
K_C_
Posts: 31810
Joined: Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:37 pm
Location: Boca Raton, Florida
Contact:

Post by K_C_ » Mon Jul 07, 2025 5:23 pm

Jams wrote:
Mon Jul 07, 2025 12:31 pm
Thrillsseeker wrote:
Tue Jul 01, 2025 12:50 am
If Watt gets traded for a haul. Two 1sts or some asinine boatload of high picks, a 1st, two #2’s etc, I’d likely tear a shoulder attempting a cartwheel.
Ahh yes trade a top 10 edge rusher in NFL history for let's say Kenny "small hands" Pickett and Brodrick "on roller skates" Jones. You never trade a sure thing for 2 crap shots at a first.
Watt is a Steelers all time great legendary player, but this isn't the 70's anymore and the Steelers aren't close to contending for anything.

The contending teams, nearly across the board (except possibly San Francisco because Purdy is still an unknown) literally all have franchise, difference making, superstar level QB's.

The Steelers have to find theirs. Watt could get 22 sacks this year and it won't matter. They do not have the QB that can overcome Mike Tomlin's stupidity and score enough points to win big games.

TJ should literally want to be moved at this point, as Watt transitions out of his prime and won't have many shots at a ring left. Watt could still bing a nice return and that return will help the Steelers secure a potential franchise QB next April.

Look at what Jaden Daniels did for a dead in the water Washington franchise. Turned them into actual Super Bowl contenders, FAST.

I love TJ but moving him now is both in Watt's interest and the Steelers. Win/win all around.
"...It's very difficult to keep the line between the past and the present... Do you know what I mean...?"

Edith 'Little Edie' Bouvier Beale

Stlcrtn1974
Posts: 2833
Joined: Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:19 pm

Post by Stlcrtn1974 » Mon Jul 07, 2025 7:43 pm

K_C_ wrote:
Mon Jul 07, 2025 5:23 pm
Jams wrote:
Mon Jul 07, 2025 12:31 pm
Thrillsseeker wrote:
Tue Jul 01, 2025 12:50 am
If Watt gets traded for a haul. Two 1sts or some asinine boatload of high picks, a 1st, two #2’s etc, I’d likely tear a shoulder attempting a cartwheel.
Ahh yes trade a top 10 edge rusher in NFL history for let's say Kenny "small hands" Pickett and Brodrick "on roller skates" Jones. You never trade a sure thing for 2 crap shots at a first.
I love TJ but moving him now is both in Watt's interest and the Steelers. Win/win all around.
Aside from loving Tomlin, the same thing was true last year with the Bears asking what it would take to land Tomlin, definitely a win/win. And what did they do, the same thing they'll do with Watt, overpay and keep him.

User avatar
K_C_
Posts: 31810
Joined: Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:37 pm
Location: Boca Raton, Florida
Contact:

Post by K_C_ » Mon Jul 07, 2025 8:12 pm

Stlcrtn1974 wrote:
Mon Jul 07, 2025 7:43 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Mon Jul 07, 2025 5:23 pm
Jams wrote:
Mon Jul 07, 2025 12:31 pm


Ahh yes trade a top 10 edge rusher in NFL history for let's say Kenny "small hands" Pickett and Brodrick "on roller skates" Jones. You never trade a sure thing for 2 crap shots at a first.
I love TJ but moving him now is both in Watt's interest and the Steelers. Win/win all around.
Aside from loving Tomlin, the same thing was true last year with the Bears asking what it would take to land Tomlin, definitely a win/win. And what did they do, the same thing they'll do with Watt, overpay and keep him.
I'm probably wrong but I wouldn't be surprised if this upcoming season is Tomlin's last, especially if it goes as expected. No playoffs and even if they make the playoffs, almost certainly no playoff wins.

I think something special will have to happen for Mike Tomlin to keep coaching. Aaron Rodgers leads an unlikely deep playoff run. Will Howard surprises and has the look of a special QB. The Steelers have a much, much better year than expected.

This season has the feel of a last go 'round. Not just for guys like Rodgers and Cam Heyward too. If this team disappoints in the same manner as last year's team did, I honestly believe Tomlin hangs 'em up and moves on....and I don't mean to coach another team.

Tomlin looked devastated at the end of last season and while he always tries to stay upbeat, I don't think he even believes his horseshit anymore.

Don't be surprised if this is his last go 'round and I've been someone that has said before last season that I thought Tomlin would coach in Pittsburgh several more years. For that to happen, something really special will have to happen for Tomlin and the Steelers.
"...It's very difficult to keep the line between the past and the present... Do you know what I mean...?"

Edith 'Little Edie' Bouvier Beale

Stlcrtn1974
Posts: 2833
Joined: Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:19 pm

Post by Stlcrtn1974 » Mon Jul 07, 2025 11:59 pm

K_C_ wrote:
Mon Jul 07, 2025 8:12 pm
Stlcrtn1974 wrote:
Mon Jul 07, 2025 7:43 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Mon Jul 07, 2025 5:23 pm

I love TJ but moving him now is both in Watt's interest and the Steelers. Win/win all around.
Aside from loving Tomlin, the same thing was true last year with the Bears asking what it would take to land Tomlin, definitely a win/win. And what did they do, the same thing they'll do with Watt, overpay and keep him.
I'm probably wrong but I wouldn't be surprised if this upcoming season is Tomlin's last, especially if it goes as expected. No playoffs and even if they make the playoffs, almost certainly no playoff wins.

I think something special will have to happen for Mike Tomlin to keep coaching. Aaron Rodgers leads an unlikely deep playoff run. Will Howard surprises and has the look of a special QB. The Steelers have a much, much better year than expected.

This season has the feel of a last go 'round. Not just for guys like Rodgers and Cam Heyward too. If this team disappoints in the same manner as last year's team did, I honestly believe Tomlin hangs 'em up and moves on....and I don't mean to coach another team.

Tomlin looked devastated at the end of last season and while he always tries to stay upbeat, I don't think he even believes his horseshit anymore.

Don't be surprised if this is his last go 'round and I've been someone that has said before last season that I thought Tomlin would coach in Pittsburgh several more years. For that to happen, something really special will have to happen for Tomlin and the Steelers.
I kind of have that feeling too, this team has become so stale. It's amazing how I felt like the last half of the 80's seemed like an eternity of medicore football, but these last 10 years of Steelers football have been like watching paint dry.

Thrillsseeker
Posts: 5413
Joined: Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:42 pm

Post by Thrillsseeker » Tue Jul 08, 2025 8:26 am

I was not shocked when Minkah was dealt. Elliot was signed, they did a lot of homework on safeties.

As mentioned above I too believe Kahn has more pull than Tomlin now. Then Omar gets an extension before Watt?

They have plenty of ILB’s this year, they draft the kid out of Ohio, Captain Jack. Have some youth in Herbig also.

I would not be shocked if Watt is traded. I would not be shocked if a small piece of it is because of his Coach has had his shine worn off. I remember when Jj was nearing the end and left Houston and I’ll feel the same bout TJ, hope he gets a SB, but if ends up just taking money here or to a non contender, like Tomlin his shine will have worn off for me.

User avatar
CoolShades
Posts: 396
Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2023 3:45 am

Post by CoolShades » Tue Jul 08, 2025 5:40 pm

In this discussion, you’ve been repeating over and over again how the Steelers owe Watt and if they trade him, they need to trade him to a contender.

To wit:
K_C_ wrote:
Sat Jul 05, 2025 10:37 pm

Watt isn’t Pickens or Diontae Johnson. He’s been a model Steeler and a superstar who will be a first ballot Hall of Famer. No reason to fuck him over on the way out.

Sure you want to get great compensation for TJ but if I’m Kahn, I’m first talking to Green Bay, Detroit and Washington providing those teams are interested and I’m betting they are.

Watt’s been a great, great player for the Steelers. I would send him to a contender if I possibly could.

More projection:

K_C_ wrote:
Sat Jul 05, 2025 10:37 pm

You believe Watt is a postseason choker in the same exact way I believe Bettis is a postseason choker.

I have no idea how you believe Bettis is a postseason choker. I’ve never once called Watt a choker. You keep creating a narrative to make yourself believe your points are valid. They aren’t. All I said about TJ is that he is 0-4 in the playoffs, has a single play in a blowout loss in KC that I could recall, and outside of that, his postseason stat sheet is empty. His impact on the field has been minimal. (Similar to Cam Heyward.) I can’t say that he’s ever “choked”. Tackling Henry without the ball over and over last year wasn’t choking… it showed that Watt is a muppet who does what he is told. Repeatedly… while the Steelers were gutted on the ground. That’s not choking to me. Pathetic, but not choking.

K_C_ wrote:
Sat Jul 05, 2025 10:37 pm

TJ never had a Bill Buckner moment like Bettis and he does have probably just as many TD's as Bettis does in the postseason ( :lol: ) but your entire spiel is about Watt not showing up in the postseason and you're entitled to that take.

Not showing up is not how I define choking. That’s your definition. Choking would be more on the lines of what Neil O’Donnell did against the Cowboys. As far as Bettis, he didn’t have a Buckner moment either. Ben saved him from that infamy. IMO your team has to lose the game to have a Buckner moment.
K_C_ wrote:
Sat Jul 05, 2025 10:37 pm

I've been saying that no matter how great Watt is (and make no mistake, Watt is great) I would 100% trade him right now to the highest bidder, if I were Omar Khan.

We know. You think Watt is great. But this is the first time you’ve suggested you would trade him to the highest bidder if you were Khan.
K_C_ wrote:
Sat Jul 05, 2025 10:37 pm

Overall, what you don't get is that we're on the same page but If Watt does get a big new contract from the Steelers, I'm not going to cry like a little girl about it. Great player and a whole lot of fun to watch.

Until this post, I would not have said we were on the same page. I’ll say this. Are the Steelers better with Watt? Sure. But rest assured, if Watt gets traded, I’m not going to cry like a little girl about it. I’m especially not going to cry like a little girl if he gets traded to Carolina or the Titans. I’m not sentimental about TJ like you are. I don’t view his sack total as some sort of amazing, franchise altering achievement. I don’t find it a “joy” or “pleasure” to watch him…. Certainly not like a Troy or James Harrison. There isn’t one sack of his I’ll remember, but there ARE multiple plays by Troy and Harrison that I DO remember.
K_C_ wrote:
Sat Jul 05, 2025 10:37 pm

Taking the Steelers under Tomlin overly serious is silly. They aren't going to win shit with or without Watt unless Khan gets lucky next April and finds the next Ben Roethlisberger or Terry Bradshaw. Tomlin has to have a generational talent at QB to win big.

It's really that simple.

On this we almost agree. I’d say the Steelers will never win again regardless of who their QB is as long as Tomlin has complete control over the coaching staff and game plans. And he has control over both. Without Cowher’s staff, Tomlin never wins his lone Super Bowl. No matter who they draft at QB next year, unless the Steelers hire a great QB coach and take his development out of Tomlin’s hands, it won’t matter. Their only chance this year is if Rodgers gives the coaching staff (and Tomlin) the middle finger and runs the offense himself. No rookie QB will have the balls to push back against “HOF HC” Mike Tomlin. It’s just never going to happen.
Mike Tomlin and NHALS - The embodiment of the soft bigotry of lowered expectations.

User avatar
955876
Posts: 6209
Joined: Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:24 pm

Post by 955876 » Tue Jul 08, 2025 8:06 pm

“HOF HC” Mike Tomlin
I’ll likely throw up in my mouth some the day that fraud puts on the gold jacket and jabbers some bullshit at the podium.

Plus, the felatio that will take place in the media will be sickening.
Jibba Jabber’s offense hasn’t scored more than 7 1st quarter points in 81 consecutive games. An NFL record by far. A historic amount of “easin in”. We are lucky to have him.

User avatar
K_C_
Posts: 31810
Joined: Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:37 pm
Location: Boca Raton, Florida
Contact:

Post by K_C_ » Tue Jul 08, 2025 9:18 pm

CoolShades wrote:
Tue Jul 08, 2025 5:40 pm
We know. You think Watt is great. But this is the first time you’ve suggested you would trade him to the highest bidder if you were Khan.
There's too much laughable shit you wrote that’s not worth arguing, but this is especially hilarious.

:lol:

This whole offseason I've said the Steelers should trade Watt. Watt is literally the only player on the Steelers roster that could garner a 1st round draft choice (plus a good amount more) in a trade. The only guy. Literally. Why? Watt's a great player. He could be the missing piece for a team like Green Bay, Detroit, Washington, etc and could put them in the Super Bowl. Every team in the entire NFL would be a lot better with TJ Watt.

The Steelers are going to need multiple 1st round picks to move up next April to get their potential franchise QB. Last season I was very, very much against trading TJ, but this year, with a 42 year old QB and Broderick Jones at LT, among plenty of other issues including Mike Tomlin roaming the sidelines, you have to trade Watt if you can for a big return.

So yeah...that wasn't the first time I've floated trading Watt. You seem to have a problem with me saying I would try to trade Watt to a contender because he's been a great player, teammate, representative of the organization, face the franchise, whatever term you want to use. I don't give a shit if you have a problem with me saying I would try to do right by Watt.

So.....that's that I guess.
"...It's very difficult to keep the line between the past and the present... Do you know what I mean...?"

Edith 'Little Edie' Bouvier Beale

User avatar
Dan Smith--BYU
Posts: 2190
Joined: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:33 am

Post by Dan Smith--BYU » Tue Jul 08, 2025 9:54 pm

"Plus, the felatio that will take place in the media will be sickening."

Tomlin would ease his prong onto Rich Eisen's eagerly waiting tonsils. Obviously.
The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently.

Nietzsche

CKSteeler
Posts: 1077
Joined: Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:01 am

Post by CKSteeler » Tue Jul 08, 2025 10:44 pm

955876 wrote:
Tue Jul 08, 2025 8:06 pm
“HOF HC” Mike Tomlin
I’ll likely throw up in my mouth some the day that fraud puts on the gold jacket and jabbers some bullshit at the podium.

Plus, the felatio that will take place in the media will be sickening.
There's one reason that guy will make the HOF on the first ballot. One. I won't even mention it. It's likely a big part of the reason he still has a job.

Bill Cowher was twice the coach he was and had to wait.

User avatar
langer
Posts: 4870
Joined: Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:13 am

Post by langer » Tue Jul 08, 2025 11:15 pm

I think a large percentage of why TJ is considered to be a Legend and All Time HOFer is his calculated gesticulations and all that nonsense. He knows where the camera is at all times. Smart guy. That's how the game is played.

He does take over games, but hasn't won anything. Not a difference maker when it counts. Not entirely his fault, but that's his record.

He's a bit like Zach Thomas.

I just pulled that name out, but there's some similarity.
The Miami Dolphins finished third in the AFC East with a 9–7 record and earned a playoff berth. On January 9, 2000, Thomas recorded nine combined tackles and a sack during a 20–17 victory at the Seattle Seahawks in the AFC Wildcard Game. The following week, he made ten combined tackles as the Dolphins lost 62–7 at the Jacksonville Jaguars in the AFC Divisional Round.
“We’ve got to write that story. We’ve got enough talent, we’ve got enough schematics to do big, big things. When I say big things, I’m talking about historic things.”

User avatar
steelmann58
Posts: 5157
Joined: Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:38 pm

Post by steelmann58 » Wed Jul 09, 2025 12:54 am

I sure some team will overpay for him.

User avatar
CoolShades
Posts: 396
Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2023 3:45 am

Post by CoolShades » Wed Jul 09, 2025 9:40 am

K_C_ wrote:
Tue Jul 08, 2025 9:18 pm
CoolShades wrote:
Tue Jul 08, 2025 5:40 pm
We know. You think Watt is great. But this is the first time you’ve suggested you would trade him to the highest bidder if you were Khan.
There's too much laughable shit you wrote that’s not worth arguing, but this is especially hilarious.

:lol:

This whole offseason I've said the Steelers should trade Watt. Watt is literally the only player on the Steelers roster that could garner a 1st round draft choice (plus a good amount more) in a trade. The only guy. Literally. Why? Watt's a great player. He could be the missing piece for a team like Green Bay, Detroit, Washington, etc and could put them in the Super Bowl. Every team in the entire NFL would be a lot better with TJ Watt.

The Steelers are going to need multiple 1st round picks to move up next April to get their potential franchise QB. Last season I was very, very much against trading TJ, but this year, with a 42 year old QB and Broderick Jones at LT, among plenty of other issues including Mike Tomlin roaming the sidelines, you have to trade Watt if you can for a big return.

So yeah...that wasn't the first time I've floated trading Watt. You seem to have a problem with me saying I would try to trade Watt to a contender because he's been a great player, teammate, representative of the organization, face the franchise, whatever term you want to use. I don't give a shit if you have a problem with me saying I would try to do right by Watt.

You either have an inability to communicate clearly, think critically or like moving goalposts because you are bored or lonely... or you are dealing with something bigger. I don’t know, and frankly I don’t care. If you think you’ve been clear, or believe that everyone here is supposed to know your every opinion, ok then. Until this thread, I had no idea about your opinion on trading Watt. You claim you’ve said “the whole offseason the Steelers should trade Watt.” That’s nice. I didn’t know.

I don’t follow you, or read every post of yours and commit it to memory. (I know I should, but my time is limited.) My interaction with you was based on one comment in this thread, in which you made clear that in your opinion, if the Steelers trade him, they owed him a trade to a contender. Because he’s great. Very great. He’s a great, great player. He’s a legendary Steeler. A cornerstone. A great teammate (like you’d know). He’s been a pleasure to watch. (I especially like his regular season “look at me” leg kick combined with his primal scream. Oh, and it was a pleasure watching him repeatedly slam into Henry when he didn’t have the ball while Jackson and the Ravens marched down the field. Riveting.)
K_C_ wrote:
Tue Jul 08, 2025 9:18 pm
You try to help your team and a longtime cornerstone player if you’re looking to move on. No reason to fuck a guy like Watt over. He’s been a pleasure to watch from day one.

Our entire discussion began because I said Watt should be traded to the highest bidder, regardless of destination. Because you can’t be wrong, and have to have the last word in every exchange, you kept replying to me to express how you love TJ Watt, that he is a great Steeler both on and off the field, in and out of the locker room and the Steelers should do everything they can to make sure he gets to a contender. All I said was that I wouldn’t go out of my way to screw him but I’m not worried about helping him either. The moment TJ declines their best and final offer, the Steelers must go into “best for the franchise” mode. If the Steelers were getting a better trade package from say, Tennessee vs. Detroit or Green Bay, TJ is going to the Titans... That’s it.

This isn’t complicated. It’s not even a big deal. But when you are talking to multiple people in your own head, I guess things can get a bit confusing.

FTR, I don’t have a problem with your opinion, even if I disagree with it. I also don’t care if we disagree. It’s a message board.
K_C_ wrote:
Tue Jul 08, 2025 9:18 pm
So.....that's that I guess.

Oh yeah. We are done here. (Well, I’m done. You? knock yourself out)
Mike Tomlin and NHALS - The embodiment of the soft bigotry of lowered expectations.

User avatar
K_C_
Posts: 31810
Joined: Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:37 pm
Location: Boca Raton, Florida
Contact:

Post by K_C_ » Wed Jul 09, 2025 12:14 pm

CoolShades wrote:
Wed Jul 09, 2025 9:40 am
Oh yeah. We are done here. (Well, I’m done. You? knock yourself out)
I got bored quickly reading your ponderous horseshit, so how about we do this, just for fun.

Watt likely will not be traded. We probably agree on that. If not, you’ll be okay. But let’s say Watt is traded. If Watt is traded to a non-contending team, a team with an under .500 record in 2024, I’ll immediately Venmo you $100.

If Watt is traded to a contending team, a team with an over .500 record in 2024, then you Venmo me $100.

That should end this stupidity quickly but I’m sure you’ll want no part of this bet….for a reason.

:lol:
"...It's very difficult to keep the line between the past and the present... Do you know what I mean...?"

Edith 'Little Edie' Bouvier Beale

Steeldrama
Posts: 2410
Joined: Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:44 pm

Post by Steeldrama » Wed Jul 09, 2025 12:17 pm

Yeah I for one am rooting for the best haul should the Steelers surprise me and actually trade Watt.

I think though that in the natural order of things Watt would get traded to a contender.

I still think Buffalo would be a helluva fit.

Coach and GM seat gotta be getting warm up there with Josh Allen’s biological clock ticking.

Rebuilding teams like the Panthers and Titans etc are not a 30 year old edge rusher away from the Super Bowl.

Oh sure piss poor GM Dan Morgan does what a dogshit owner like Dan Tepper tells him so if the Panthers make an over the top offer you take it whether it’s deemed disrespectful to Watt or not.

Business is business.

Under K-H-A-N, business is booming-ish
Nick Markakis on Astros: "Every guy over there needs a beating."

User avatar
CoolShades
Posts: 396
Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2023 3:45 am

Post by CoolShades » Wed Jul 09, 2025 2:34 pm

K_C_ wrote:
Wed Jul 09, 2025 12:14 pm
CoolShades wrote:
Wed Jul 09, 2025 9:40 am
Oh yeah. We are done here. (Well, I’m done. You? knock yourself out)
I got bored quickly reading your ponderous horseshit, so how about we do this, just for fun.

Watt likely will not be traded. We probably agree on that. If not, you’ll be okay. But let’s say Watt is traded. If Watt is traded to a non-contending team, a team with an under .500 record in 2024, I’ll immediately Venmo you $100.

If Watt is traded to a contending team, a team with an over .500 record in 2024, then you Venmo me $100.

That should end this stupidity quickly but I’m sure you’ll want no part of this bet….for a reason.

:lol:


My God you are strange.

You got bored because you didn’t understand it? Or it went over your head because it conflicts with whatever thoughts you’ve shoved into your imaginary world? Don’t answer. I won’t read it. (Or do! I still won’t read it)

That’s a bizarre bet. Perhaps you should make it with one of your other personalities. I’m not betting on what the Steelers WILL do. I’m not even predicting it. I’m saying what I would do. I have no idea what they will do, and I have zero control over it. I also have no idea what teams are interested in Watt or what the trade packages they might offer the Steelers, so the “point” of this bet would be? The reason I want no part of this bet is because based on this interaction, I don’t believe you have $100 to spare, not for the “reason” you’ve imagined. If they trade Watt (which I doubt) I don’t care where he goes.. personally I’m rooting for Cleveland. The trade would mean nothing to me other than their comp package. There’s no “gotcha” or “I told you so” here, no matter what happens.

Dude, stop eating paste. If the Steelers trade Watt, you can still keep your TJ Watt posters on your wall and I’m sure they will let you continue to be president of your local TJ Kiner fan club. No matter what happens or where he ends up, you can wear your TJ jersey and watch him on Sundays (with or without your pants on.)

Get your last word. Use emojis! I’m officially bored with you, and this is one of the dumbest convos ever. I had less frustration talking to my uncle, and the poor man was suffering from Alzheimer’s.
Mike Tomlin and NHALS - The embodiment of the soft bigotry of lowered expectations.

User avatar
K_C_
Posts: 31810
Joined: Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:37 pm
Location: Boca Raton, Florida
Contact:

Post by K_C_ » Wed Jul 09, 2025 4:43 pm

CoolShades wrote:
Wed Jul 09, 2025 2:34 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Wed Jul 09, 2025 12:14 pm
CoolShades wrote:
Wed Jul 09, 2025 9:40 am
Oh yeah. We are done here. (Well, I’m done. You? knock yourself out)
I got bored quickly reading your ponderous horseshit, so how about we do this, just for fun.

Watt likely will not be traded. We probably agree on that. If not, you’ll be okay. But let’s say Watt is traded. If Watt is traded to a non-contending team, a team with an under .500 record in 2024, I’ll immediately Venmo you $100.

If Watt is traded to a contending team, a team with an over .500 record in 2024, then you Venmo me $100.

That should end this stupidity quickly but I’m sure you’ll want no part of this bet….for a reason.

:lol:


My God you are strange.

You got bored because you didn’t understand it? Or it went over your head because it conflicts with whatever thoughts you’ve shoved into your imaginary world? Don’t answer. I won’t read it. (Or do! I still won’t read it)

That’s a bizarre bet. Perhaps you should make it with one of your other personalities. I’m not betting on what the Steelers WILL do. I’m not even predicting it. I’m saying what I would do. I have no idea what they will do, and I have zero control over it. I also have no idea what teams are interested in Watt or what the trade packages they might offer the Steelers, so the “point” of this bet would be? The reason I want no part of this bet is because based on this interaction, I don’t believe you have $100 to spare, not for the “reason” you’ve imagined. If they trade Watt (which I doubt) I don’t care where he goes.. personally I’m rooting for Cleveland. The trade would mean nothing to me other than their comp package. There’s no “gotcha” or “I told you so” here, no matter what happens.

Dude, stop eating paste. If the Steelers trade Watt, you can still keep your TJ Watt posters on your wall and I’m sure they will let you continue to be president of your local TJ Kiner fan club. No matter what happens or where he ends up, you can wear your TJ jersey and watch him on Sundays (with or without your pants on.)

Get your last word. Use emojis! I’m officially bored with you, and this is one of the dumbest convos ever. I had less frustration talking to my uncle, and the poor man was suffering from Alzheimer’s.
Another long winded (got through the first few sentences) way of saying you don't believe your own horseshit.

The Bears could have sent Justin Fields to the highest bidder but because he was a good dude and put up with massive stupidity in Chicago, the Bears sent Fields to what they felt was the best situation for Fields. They sent him (no matter what we think of Tomlin) to a stable organization with a stable, long term coach who (whether we like it or not) is headed to the Hall of Fame.

The Steelers would do the same thing for a future first ballot Hall of Famer like TJ Watt. They would send him to a contender, plain and simple. Some shit team might offer more, but Watt isn't Diontae Johnson or George PIckens. They WILL want to do right by Watt and you know what? That's the right thing to do.

That's why you don't want to take me up on my offer of a wager? If Watt is traded, which he probably won't be, it'll be to a Super Bowl level contending team. End. Of. Story.

Game. Set. Match.
"...It's very difficult to keep the line between the past and the present... Do you know what I mean...?"

Edith 'Little Edie' Bouvier Beale

Post Reply Previous topicNext topic