For those of you who don't think this game is fixed

[Legacy User]

I give you the punt which obviously hit the Browns' helmet.

I'm not saying it's fixed against any particular team (although if any of you saw the "catch" by Gronkowski in the first half of their game you'd be hard pressed to say that nearly every call doesn't benefit the Cheaters) but it's definitely biased towards keeping scores competitive.

I mean, think about it, blowouts are bad for the league, close games are what they want (Rozelle called it "parity") it keeps people watching and the ratings nice and high for those purchasing advertising on their networks.

9 of 10 games, the team who is down will get a couple of "phantom" type calls like this to assure that the score doesn't get out of hand. We, as Steeler fans, sometimes feel the league is against "us" because we are often out in front late in games (and have made a legacy of "turtling" to further exacerbate this trend).

It's really really hard for me to think that this was just a "coincidence" and a "bad break" for us when it was so painfully obvious and meant so much to the final outcome. The correct call could have easily finished the Browns.

I have believed this for a few years yet I willingly still give my heart to this team and by extension this league so I deserve what I get, but sometimes it's really difficult to maintain my devotion.

[Legacy User]

That non reversal was huge

[tbsteel]

I mean, the call the on the field was that no one touched it, and the ball didn't change it's trajectory at all after it hit the facemask. There wasn't definitive proof that it hit his helmet from any of the camera shots I saw.

Do I think the ball hit his facemask? Damn right it did. But did I see anything definitely show that on replay? No.

[KCSteeler]

I mean, the call the on the field was that no one touched it, and the ball didn't change it's trajectory at all after it hit the facemask. There wasn't definitive proof that it hit his helmet from any of the camera shots I saw.

Do I think the ball hit his facemask? Damn right it did. But did I see anything definitely show that on replay? No.

Other than the ball changing fucking directions? What do you suppose it hit? Looks like JFK's magic bullet was at the fucking game today too. Jesus.

[Kodiak]

There wasn't definitive proof that it hit his helmet from any of the camera shots I saw.

Absolutely looked it to me.

And I fully expected that call in order to make the game more interesting. But it never should have come to that.

[Legacy User]

I mean, the call the on the field was that no one touched it, and the ball didn't change it's trajectory at all after it hit the facemask. There wasn't definitive proof that it hit his helmet from any of the camera shots I saw.

Do I think the ball hit his facemask? Damn right it did. But did I see anything definitely show that on replay? No.

Other than the ball changing fucking directions? What do you suppose it hit? Looks like JFK's magic bullet was at the fucking game today too. Jesus.

But it didn't change directions.

[Legacy User]

I mean, the call the on the field was that no one touched it, and the ball didn't change it's trajectory at all after it hit the facemask. There wasn't definitive proof that it hit his helmet from any of the camera shots I saw.

Do I think the ball hit his facemask? Damn right it did. But did I see anything definitely show that on replay? No.

I mean, it looked really clear to me that it did change trajectory. Am I watching through Steeler colored glasses?

[alancac98]

I mean, the call the on the field was that no one touched it, and the ball didn't change it's trajectory at all after it hit the facemask. There wasn't definitive proof that it hit his helmet from any of the camera shots I saw.

Do I think the ball hit his facemask? Damn right it did. But did I see anything definitely show that on replay? No.

I mean, it looked really clear to me that it did change trajectory. Am I watching through Steeler colored glasses?

The ball hit the ground and bounced toward Cleveland's end at nearly a 45 degree angle only to all of a sudden go straight up into the air. That is ill-logical from any standpoint. Sometimes math needs to be applied instead of just the eyes.

[Steelafan77]

Physics?

[Legacy User]

I mean, the call the on the field was that no one touched it, and the ball didn't change it's trajectory at all after it hit the facemask. There wasn't definitive proof that it hit his helmet from any of the camera shots I saw.

Do I think the ball hit his facemask? Damn right it did. But did I see anything definitely show that on replay? No.

I mean, it looked really clear to me that it did change trajectory. Am I watching through Steeler colored glasses?

I think you are

[StillJones]

I mean, the call the on the field was that no one touched it, and the ball didn't change it's trajectory at all after it hit the facemask. There wasn't definitive proof that it hit his helmet from any of the camera shots I saw.

Do I think the ball hit his facemask? Damn right it did. But did I see anything definitely show that on replay? No.

I mean, it looked really clear to me that it did change trajectory. Am I watching through Steeler colored glasses?

The ball hit the ground and bounced toward Cleveland's end at nearly a 45 degree angle only to all of a sudden go straight up into the air. That is ill-logical from any standpoint. Sometimes math needs to be applied instead of just the eyes.

Yeah but then for some reason the commentators were only talking about the rotation of the ball, which was not effected, instead of the direction, which was obviously effected.

[alancac98]

Physics?

Yep, that too, lol

[COR-TEN]

To me, It looked like it hit his helmet based on the reaction of the players face. But there is absolutely no proof based on video evidence.

The camera angles where not advantageous in determining trajectory. The ball's tumble end over end wasn't affected, and there is no way to determine if it hit his helmet.

It's not why the steelers lost. And a tie in my mind is a loss. Especially the way they played in the fourth quarter.

[Legacy User]

I mean, the call the on the field was that no one touched it, and the ball didn't change it's trajectory at all after it hit the facemask. There wasn't definitive proof that it hit his helmet from any of the camera shots I saw.

Do I think the ball hit his facemask? Damn right it did. But did I see anything definitely show that on replay? No.

I mean, it looked really clear to me that it did change trajectory. Am I watching through Steeler colored glasses?

I think you are

Fair enough, nobody's perfect.

[Mick]

It was going right to left on my tee vee, and then it was going from left to right. Object in motion sometimes changes it’s mind I guess.

[franco32]

Were you guys watching the game with a 1970s TV? It was clear as day that the ball hit his helmet and even the spin changed. That was a classic case of refs trying to convince themselves that they weren't seeing something with 100% certainty.

[Legacy User]

Physics ... neither the refs nor some folks in NY had the class in school.

[Legacy User]

To me, It looked like it hit his helmet based on the reaction of the players face. But there is absolutely no proof based on video evidence.

The camera angles where not advantageous in determining trajectory. The ball's tumble end over end wasn't affected, and there is no way to determine if it hit his helmet.

It's not why the steelers lost. And a tie in my mind is a loss. Especially the way they played in the fourth quarter.

This is the NFL, if your cameras and tech can't tell you that then you need to fire fucking everyone and start over. Hard Knocks. Easing in. Etc Etc. If you didnt see this result you don't understand the NFL. In fact, I am guessing the NFL is trying to figure out how the Browns didn't get the W. And that is WITH the shitty Steelers play.

[fractalsteel]

There wasn't definitive proof that it hit his helmet from any of the camera shots I saw.

Absolutely looked it to me.

And I fully expected that call in order to make the game more interesting. But it never should have come to that.

Agreed and I have no doubts that if the roles were reversed in that situation and the Steelers were the receiving team then the call would have been overturned.

To be fair, the Steelers shot themselves so many times in the foot that one play really didn't cause this game to be a tie.

[COR-TEN]

To me, It looked like it hit his helmet based on the reaction of the players face. But there is absolutely no proof based on video evidence.

The camera angles where not advantageous in determining trajectory. The ball's tumble end over end wasn't affected, and there is no way to determine if it hit his helmet.

It's not why the steelers lost. And a tie in my mind is a loss. Especially the way they played in the fourth quarter.

This is the NFL, if your cameras and tech can't tell you that then you need to fire fucking everyone and start over. Hard Knocks. Easing in. Etc Etc. If you didnt see this result you don't understand the NFL. In fact, I am guessing the NFL is trying to figure out how the Browns didn't get the W. And that is WITH the shitty Steelers play.

I'd like to see the replay, then. I thought that while watching once each view. I should see it again. Have a link?

[LakecrestSteeler]

Were you guys watching the game with a 1970s TV? It was clear as day that the ball hit his helmet and even the spin changed. That was a classic case of refs trying to convince themselves that they weren't seeing something with 100% certainty.

Holy fuck is nothing black and white in this fucking world!!!???

I was watching on 50” TV in a bar from 30 feet away and could see the ball was rotating about like a Tim Wakefield knuckleball and then it hits his facemask and then all of the sudden starts rotating like Greg Lougainis off the 10 meter dive.

I am with you Franco...some folks obviously don’t know when to say when!

People need to pull thier heads out of their ass and realize there is black and fucking white in this world! And that play was Ron Burgundy; a big fucking DEAL!

[LakecrestSteeler]

Must have been how Madden felt during the immaculate reception times 10 I guess.

[stillthere]

I mean, the call the on the field was that no one touched it, and the ball didn't change it's trajectory at all after it hit the facemask. There wasn't definitive proof that it hit his helmet from any of the camera shots I saw.

Do I think the ball hit his facemask? Damn right it did. But did I see anything definitely show that on replay? No.

Other than the ball changing fucking directions? What do you suppose it hit? Looks like JFK's magic bullet was at the fucking game today too. Jesus.

the ball clearly changed trajectory it was a lot easier to see when at full speed when you slow it down it becomes much harder to see.

[stillthere]

To me, It looked like it hit his helmet based on the reaction of the players face. But there is absolutely no proof based on video evidence.

The camera angles where not advantageous in determining trajectory. The ball's tumble end over end wasn't affected, and there is no way to determine if it hit his helmet.

It's not why the steelers lost. And a tie in my mind is a loss. Especially the way they played in the fourth quarter.

This is the NFL, if your cameras and tech can't tell you that then you need to fire fucking everyone and start over. Hard Knocks. Easing in. Etc Etc. If you didnt see this result you don't understand the NFL. In fact, I am guessing the NFL is trying to figure out how the Browns didn't get the W. And that is WITH the shitty Steelers play.

I'd like to see the replay, then. I thought that while watching once each view. I should see it again. Have a link?

here
https://nflreplays.net/
or here
https://www.nflfullhd.com/pittsburgh-steelers-vs-cleveland-browns-9-sep-2018-replay-full-game/

download torrent from here
https://www.sport-video.org.ua/americanfootball.html

[Nick79]

I give you the punt which obviously hit the Browns' helmet.

I'm not saying it's fixed against any particular team (although if any of you saw the "catch" by Gronkowski in the first half of their game you'd be hard pressed to say that nearly every call doesn't benefit the Cheaters) but it's definitely biased towards keeping scores competitive.

I mean, think about it, blowouts are bad for the league, close games are what they want (Rozelle called it "parity") it keeps people watching and the ratings nice and high for those purchasing advertising on their networks.

9 of 10 games, the team who is down will get a couple of "phantom" type calls like this to assure that the score doesn't get out of hand. We, as Steeler fans, sometimes feel the league is against "us" because we are often out in front late in games (and have made a legacy of "turtling" to further exacerbate this trend).

It's really really hard for me to think that this was just a "coincidence" and a "bad break" for us when it was so painfully obvious and meant so much to the final outcome. The correct call could have easily finished the Browns.

I have believed this for a few years yet I willingly still give my heart to this team and by extension this league so I deserve what I get, but sometimes it's really difficult to maintain my devotion.

Why did they let the Ravens win 47-3? I will say that there is too much subjectivity, which I hate. We all know certain things happen constantly and are rarely called. Myself, of course it's just me, most people are STUPID and would disagree, I'd create a commission and mandate that they ELIMINATE AT LEAST 50% OF ALL RULES, make it a point of emphasis that officials be SUPER LOOSE in calling stuff and rarely be seen on the TV screen, I'd also eliminate formation penalties other than 5 O-lineman and go Canadian motion rules to further reduce stoppages. Then eliminate replay to practically nothing, maybe one challenge per game where you lose your TO where you win or not, ZERO AUTOMATIC reviews, and maybe a booth ref who might call something he deems 1000% obvious, and he gets 60 seconds, with a clock in the stadium everyone can see and a buzzer that sounds and if he doesn't announce anything instantly, play on, call stands.

[Nick79]

Were you guys watching the game with a 1970s TV? It was clear as day that the ball hit his helmet and even the spin changed. That was a classic case of refs trying to convince themselves that they weren't seeing something with 100% certainty.

Holy fuck is nothing black and white in this fucking world!!!???

I was watching on 50” TV in a bar from 30 feet away and could see the ball was rotating about like a Tim Wakefield knuckleball and then it hits his facemask and then all of the sudden starts rotating like Greg Lougainis off the 10 meter dive.

I am with you Franco...some folks obviously don’t know when to say when!

People need to pull thier heads out of their ass and realize there is black and fucking white in this world! And that play was Ron Burgundy; a big fucking DEAL!

That's why replay is bullshit, it most of the time doesn't make things better. I have often felt the replay call was worse than the field call, at least 50/50, and if that's the case, why bother?

[Minkah'n History]

The oline was embarrassing in the 4th quarter, like Jekyll and Hyde

[K_C_]

Most obvious crock of shit I've seen since Polamalu's game (should have been) ending interception in the Colts playoff game that they took away from him.

Total, total bullshit.

Clear as day to anyone with eyes and a halfway decent TV.

[KCSteeler]

Were you guys watching the game with a 1970s TV? It was clear as day that the ball hit his helmet and even the spin changed. That was a classic case of refs trying to convince themselves that they weren't seeing something with 100% certainty.

This! I swear that game was played in the twilight zone yesterday.

[Legacy User]

WWF officiating. It was bull___t to say the least.