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Tomlin is not Brad Stevens
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 6:24 pm
by Legacy User
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/5/7/ ... ics-sixersAt this point, I'm wondering who the most clever professional coach is in Boston.
Imagine going to conference finals without Brown and Ben. That's basically what Stevens just did in basketball.
Re: Tomlin is not Brad Stevens
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 7:09 pm
by FortyThree
Yeah but it's basketball so who gives a fuck?
Re: Tomlin is not Brad Stevens
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 7:11 pm
by Pabst
Dan Smith--BYU wrote:Imagine going to conference finals without Brown and Ben. That's basically what Stevens just did in basketball.
There is absolutely no comparison in the level of parity in the NBA vs. the NFL. I'll be impressed with Boston's run if they are even remotely competitive with Houston or Golden State in the Finals.
Re: Tomlin is not Brad Stevens
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 7:36 pm
by Havoc
Pabst wrote:Dan Smith--BYU wrote:Imagine going to conference finals without Brown and Ben. That's basically what Stevens just did in basketball.
There is absolutely no comparison in the level of parity in the NBA vs. the NFL. I'll be impressed with Boston's run if they are even remotely competitive with Houston or Golden State in the Finals.
I'm not disputing the idea of Stevens being a brilliant strategist. He and Pop are not the only ones though. Rick Carlisle is a heck of a coach.
Getting to the conference finals in the JV conference in and of itself doesn't mean much.
Re: Tomlin is not Brad Stevens
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 8:34 pm
by Legacy User
I don't think Boston is going any further either. My general point is that it is nice to have a master strategist who can plan and use clock in order to overcome talent deficits and help team reach max potential. In the case of the PS, the question is alway whether talent surplus can overcome lack of strategy, adjustment and time management.
Re: Tomlin is not Brad Stevens
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 9:34 pm
by Ice
Mods...?
Re: Tomlin is not Brad Stevens
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 10:01 pm
by Legacy User
fortythree wrote:Yeah but it's basketball so who gives a fuck?
The correct answer.
Re: Tomlin is not Brad Stevens
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 10:32 pm
by KCSteeler
Shit, I would settle for Connie Stevens.
Re: Tomlin is not Brad Stevens
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 10:44 pm
by Ice
Cat Stevens?
Re: Tomlin is not Brad Stevens
Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 12:11 am
by Steel Ubaldo
Well Tomlin looks MUCH better in sunglasses than that dweeb Stevens
Re: Tomlin is not Brad Stevens
Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 4:58 am
by Legacy User
What Tomlin did in the playoffs this year is the equivalent of the Rockets losing to the Wolves in the first round, except D'Antoni would never let that happen.
Re: Tomlin is not Brad Stevens
Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 1:24 pm
by Ice
Ray Stevens?
St. Stephen?
Shadoe Stevens?
Jamain Stephens?
Re: Tomlin is not Brad Stevens
Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 1:49 pm
by Pabst
Dan Smith--BYU wrote:What Tomlin did in the playoffs this year is the equivalent of the Rockets losing to the Wolves in the first round, except D'Antoni would never let that happen.
No, it's not. This is a dumb comparison.
Re: Tomlin is not Brad Stevens
Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 2:16 pm
by Ice
Pabst wrote:Dan Smith--BYU wrote:What Tomlin did in the playoffs this year is the equivalent of the Rockets losing to the Wolves in the first round, except D'Antoni would never let that happen.
No, it's not. This is a dumb comparison.
Well, in his defense, it's also a dumb thread.
Re: Tomlin is not Brad Stevens
Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 2:34 pm
by Kodiak
if only our QB had to just carry the defense, instead of BOTH the defense and coaches
Re: Tomlin is not Brad Stevens
Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 8:48 pm
by steelclan
You're right Tomlin has a championship.
Re: Tomlin is not Brad Stevens
Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 9:36 pm
by Ice
Brad Stevens is not Dan Bylsma.
Re: Tomlin is not Brad Stevens
Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 9:38 pm
by Legacy User
Ice wrote:Pabst wrote:Dan Smith--BYU wrote:What Tomlin did in the playoffs this year is the equivalent of the Rockets losing to the Wolves in the first round, except D'Antoni would never let that happen.
No, it's not. This is a dumb comparison.
Well, in his defense, it's also a dumb thread.
We needed this thread. Tomlin doesn't get criticized enough around here.
Re: Tomlin is not Brad Stevens
Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 9:40 pm
by Legacy User
I felt compelled to throw cold water on a draft I actually liked by reminding myself we still had Tomlin, the flat footed PennDOT flagman.
Hating Tomlin is now a Burgh thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hezlz56mf2cMaybe Tomlin is an airhead sitting around a beach petting kitty cats.
Re: Tomlin is not Brad Stevens
Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 11:19 pm
by tbsteel
Ice wrote:Pabst wrote:Dan Smith--BYU wrote:What Tomlin did in the playoffs this year is the equivalent of the Rockets losing to the Wolves in the first round, except D'Antoni would never let that happen.
No, it's not. This is a dumb comparison.
Well, in his defense, it's also a dumb thread.
Re: Tomlin is not Brad Stevens
Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 12:25 am
by Legacy User
I'm looking forward to a good season, one in which we can legitimately challenge for a super bowl. But if you want to go negative before mini-camp starts, knock yourself out.
Re: Tomlin is not Brad Stevens
Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 3:25 pm
by Legacy User
The best way to tolerate Tomlin is to be a Buddhist.
Do not be made miserable by high expectations.
Then if by some miracle, he succeeds, then we will be pleasantly surprised and the joy will be even greater.
Which is one of the reasons the Penguins 2016 and 17 seasons were so enjoyable.
And why Celtics fans are happy now even if they go no further.
You see it is my spiritual duty here to remind us all of Tomlin's Magooness.
Re: Tomlin is not Brad Stevens
Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 3:37 pm
by Legacy User
Dan Smith--BYU wrote:The best way to tolerate Tomlin is to be a Buddhist.
Do not be made miserable by high expectations.
Then if by some miracle, he succeeds, then we will be pleasantly surprised and the joy will be even greater.
Which is one of the reasons the Penguins 2016 and 17 seasons were so enjoyable.
And why Celtics fans are happy now even if they go no further.
You see it is my spiritual duty here to remind us all of Tomlin's Magooness.
Why do you hate Western values so much, Dan? And why by embracing Buddhism do you hate the Western prioritization of the self?
Surely you meant to say that one should be a Stoic. A proper Roman, conservative philosophy that would achieve the same result.
Re: Tomlin is not Brad Stevens
Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 4:22 pm
by Legacy User
A good Western scholar always incorporates Eastern or third world practices and values that make sense, and Buddhism is certainly something more Americans with high expectations can use. Schopenhauer certainly was influenced by Buddhism. R. Strauss by Zoroastrianism, and because of that we have the great dawn of man sequence in 2001 A Space Odyssey.
While I am down with freedom from expectations, the one issue I do have is freedom from desire. Desire is often a very good thing and makes the world better through invention, which springs from desire of easier and better. So I am not free from desire nor do I want to be. So I think that part of the Buddhist cannot doesn't quite add up in terms of making the world better or people happier.
Stoicism is always worthwhile periodically and I do practice extended fasting. But my take on that is once the fast ends, it's epicurean time. It makes the food that much better. Happiness is about acceleration, not velocity. I'm more into cyclic application of the two rather than either alone, which I think our paleo psychology and physiology are really designed for. (Moonwatcher the protohuman in 2001 would feast-fast, kill his enemies at the watering hole (after the obelisk awarded him the tool advantage), then rest, gather-then fuck his brains out). To everything, turn, turn turn...wait I'm getting Western again by quoting the Byrds and Ecclesiastes.
Anyway, my point is, don't count on Tomlin. I think Moonwatcher was better at situational play calling and clock management.
Re: Tomlin is not Brad Stevens
Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 9:07 pm
by 955876
It’s a new season. Tomlin has a clean slate with me. For now.
Will judge based on what he “puts on tape” moving forward.
Re: Tomlin is not Brad Stevens
Posted: Sun May 13, 2018 4:56 am
by Legacy User
955876 wrote:It’s a new season. Tomlin has a clean slate with me. For now.
Will judge based on what he “puts on tape” moving forward.
Tomlin has a “clean” slate with me too... He’s an arrogant, pompous, and condescending Jackass. A horrendous game and personnel manager. A certified, underachieving, overpaid LOSER who has personally cost the Steelers as least 2 more championships. However if he hoists the Lombardi in February I’ll apologize. Good night. Oh and nice thread!
Re: Tomlin is not Brad Stevens
Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 1:58 pm
by Havoc
I really enjoyed watching the Celtics play last game. It was fantastic team basketball. Made me wish I had been watching them the entire playoffs.
On the opposite end of that spectrum... the Rockets played terrible team basketball in game 1. It was painful to watch.
The rockets played well together as a unit on offense in game 2. Not much of James Harden brain dead dribbling around with his head up his ass until 2 or 3 seconds left in the shot clock and then throwing a pass in desperation like he did in game 1. I still expect the Warriors to win the series although there might be questions about Curry's health. Warriors have 3 players (not speaking of role players) that shoot the ball better than Harden (if Curry is healthy) and the Warriors have the most gifted player on the floor in this series (Durant).
Warriors played game 2 like a team that did not need that game. They got what they needed coming out of Houston taking game 1.
Re: Tomlin is not Brad Stevens
Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 2:28 pm
by Ice
There is a whole Other Sports forum to talk about the NBA. When threads get updated, people waste their time clicking on them. Yes, I have Dan Smith on ignore, but that's just the poster that started it. Start an NBA playoffs thread where it belongs. Not even a Pittsburgh team in the damn league.
Re: Tomlin is not Brad Stevens
Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 5:33 pm
by Legacy User
Pittsburgh in fact has a rich pro basketball history including championships by the Pipers and the Pisces. I remember every detail of that glorious 1979 season.
The coach of the Pittsburgh Pisces was a better clock manager than Tomlin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdXjHtW14g0
Re: Tomlin is not Brad Stevens
Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 11:48 pm
by JPPT1974
Yeah as it is indeed about being a better clock manager. No matter what sport it is.