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Post by jeemie » Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:45 am

I don’t know what Roethlisberger has left in him, but this shit that Matt Canada trots out at the beginnings of games has to stop.

No “probing”…no “easing in”…no calling plays to “figure out stuff” for use “later in the game”.

This is Ben’s last rodeo. We got this shot pretty much on a miracle.

Turn the Gray loose one more time and Let Ben Be Ben.

That is all.


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Post by StillerDownSouth » Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:47 am

I would sure hope Ben would have a big say in the game plan this week, leave nothing in the bag.

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Post by BethlehemSteel » Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:47 am

Amen

Pray that. Canada has to step away for personal reasons
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Post by Steelperch » Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:49 am

Similar to the 2005 playoff run. Everyone thought we’d come out running, they let Ben play action and throw over their heads.

This is the first time with Ben that we’ve ever gone into a playoff game with low expectations and being big underdogs. Tomlin has absolutely nothing to lose with an aggressive game plan. That said, we’ll be down 20 points before Ben gets to throw a 10 yard pass.

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Post by Greeksteel » Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:54 am

Agreed with the gameplan, they seriously need to bench Bush and Green and use Waitman instead of Harvin.

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Post by Gonzo » Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:55 am

Steelperch wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:49 am
Similar to the 2005 playoff run. Everyone thought we’d come out running, they let Ben play action and throw over their heads.

This is the first time with Ben that we’ve ever gone into a playoff game with low expectations and being big underdogs. Tomlin has absolutely nothing to lose with an aggressive game plan. That said, we’ll be down 20 points before Ben gets to throw a 10 yard pass.
Cowher surprised us all that year … so maybe ?
They are not going to beat the chiefs easing in and probing … game will be over before Tomlin gets probed

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Post by Deebo » Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:37 pm

SOmeone said that Ben should take the earpiece out of his helmet in the very first huddle, stomp on it, and then proeceed to whip out the Grey the rest of the game.

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Post by stinger8 » Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:46 pm

Steelperch wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:49 am
Similar to the 2005 playoff run. Everyone thought we’d come out running, they let Ben play action and throw over their heads.

This is the first time with Ben that we’ve ever gone into a playoff game with low expectations and being big underdogs. Tomlin has absolutely nothing to lose with an aggressive game plan. That said, we’ll be down 20 points before Ben gets to throw a 10 yard pass.
This is exactly my opinion. Attack attack attack, roll the dice see what happens. I thought of that colts game as well.

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Post by Stosh-67 » Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:34 pm

Deebo wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:37 pm
SOmeone said that Ben should take the earpiece out of his helmet in the very first huddle, stomp on it, and then proeceed to whip out the Grey the rest of the game.
Hey,
Someone is reading my posts. LOL.
That there would add to his legend.....think of the announcing crew on Sunday night.

AM "Ben stepped away from the huddle"
CC "Ben has just taken his helmet off"
AM "Looks like he is adjusting the helmet"
CC "Wait, he is pulling on something, golly, looks like he just ripped something out of his helmet"
AM "Chris, i think he just pulled the earpiece out..............I have never seen that before"
CC "Looks like Tomlin is speechless, almost like a deer in headlights"
AM "Matt Canada just walked over to the bench and took a seat"
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:56 pm

Steelperch wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:49 am
Similar to the 2005 playoff run. Everyone thought we’d come out running, they let Ben play action and throw over their heads.

This is the first time with Ben that we’ve ever gone into a playoff game with low expectations and being big underdogs. Tomlin has absolutely nothing to lose with an aggressive game plan. That said, we’ll be down 20 points before Ben gets to throw a 10 yard pass.
Uh, really? They were low expectations vs the Colts in 2005, for sure. That seemed impossible at the time.
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Post by Greeksteel » Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:01 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:56 pm
Steelperch wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:49 am
Similar to the 2005 playoff run. Everyone thought we’d come out running, they let Ben play action and throw over their heads.

This is the first time with Ben that we’ve ever gone into a playoff game with low expectations and being big underdogs. Tomlin has absolutely nothing to lose with an aggressive game plan. That said, we’ll be down 20 points before Ben gets to throw a 10 yard pass.
Uh, really? They were low expectations vs the Colts in 2005, for sure. That seemed impossible at the time.
Also similar to the 2005 season we had lost pretty big to the Colts earlier in the regular season. Cant recall the exact score but it was definitely in the double digit loss category.

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Post by jeemie » Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:05 pm

Greeksteel wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:01 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:56 pm
Steelperch wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:49 am
Similar to the 2005 playoff run. Everyone thought we’d come out running, they let Ben play action and throw over their heads.

This is the first time with Ben that we’ve ever gone into a playoff game with low expectations and being big underdogs. Tomlin has absolutely nothing to lose with an aggressive game plan. That said, we’ll be down 20 points before Ben gets to throw a 10 yard pass.
Uh, really? They were low expectations vs the Colts in 2005, for sure. That seemed impossible at the time.
Also similar to the 2005 season we had lost pretty big to the Colts earlier in the regular season. Cant recall the exact score but it was definitely in the double digit loss category.
26-7…Ben’s first game back from knee surgery.
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Post by Stosh-67 » Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:08 pm

No chance to come out and probe, feel out the Chiefs.
We know exactly what their game plan will be...........to score alot of points.

We are 3-7 in our last 10 playoff games.
Outscored 286-243 in those 10 games. 28.6

The losses to Rogers, Tebow and the 8-8 Broncos, Flacco, 39 year old Peyton Manning in his last year, Brady, Bortles and Mayfield.

The wins over AJ McCarron in the Cincy imploding game, Miami, 10-6 and Matt Moore and KC and Alex Smith

Last 3 playoff games down 10-0, down 21-0, down 28-0.
Gave up 129 in these last 3 games. 129 / 3 = 43 ppg.

Ben has thrown for 1,284 yards in these last 3 games.
This team, game plan, play calling, schemes, players available, false starts, illegal formations, timing, sync, mentality, etc.............is not suited for Ben to throw for 400-500 yards.

Maybe, just maybe..............
The fact we are not planning for a AJ McCarron, Matt Moore, Bortles, Mayfield typ of QB's........................we will not have the mentality to probe, keep it close to the vest, digest the information gathered in the 1st quarter, ease in, then formulate a plan, blah, blah, blah

And realize...........we are playing a top 3 QB in the game today ( A.R. T.B. P.M. ) and we need to be ready hours and days before kick off.
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Post by Ice » Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:13 pm

Deebo wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:37 pm
SOmeone said that Ben should take the earpiece out of his helmet in the very first huddle, stomp on it, and then proeceed to whip out the Grey the rest of the game.
This. Or pull a Patriots and claim signal interference.
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Post by DP39 » Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:20 pm

Stosh-67 wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:08 pm
No chance to come out and probe, feel out the Chiefs.
We know exactly what their game plan will be...........to score alot of points.

We are 3-7 in our last 10 playoff games.
Outscored 286-243 in those 10 games. 28.6

The losses to Rogers, Tebow and the 8-8 Broncos, Flacco, 39 year old Peyton Manning in his last year, Brady, Bortles and Mayfield.

The wins over AJ McCarron in the Cincy imploding game, Miami, 10-6 and Matt Moore and KC and Alex Smith

Last 3 playoff games down 10-0, down 21-0, down 28-0.
Gave up 129 in these last 3 games. 129 / 3 = 43 ppg.

Ben has thrown for 1,284 yards in these last 3 games.
This team, game plan, play calling, schemes, players available, false starts, illegal formations, timing, sync, mentality, etc.............is not suited for Ben to throw for 400-500 yards.

Maybe, just maybe..............
The fact we are not planning for a AJ McCarron, Matt Moore, Bortles, Mayfield typ of QB's........................we will not have the mentality to probe, keep it close to the vest, digest the information gathered in the 1st quarter, ease in, then formulate a plan, blah, blah, blah

And realize...........we are playing a top 3 QB in the game today ( A.R. T.B. P.M. ) and we need to be ready hours and days before kick off.
Great info, Stosh. Thanks.

As usual, Tomlin doesn't instill hope in me for the bolded.

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Post by Deebo » Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:50 pm

jeemie wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:05 pm
Greeksteel wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:01 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:56 pm


Uh, really? They were low expectations vs the Colts in 2005, for sure. That seemed impossible at the time.
Also similar to the 2005 season we had lost pretty big to the Colts earlier in the regular season. Cant recall the exact score but it was definitely in the double digit loss category.
26-7…Ben’s first game back from knee surgery.
I believe that was a Mon Night game in Indy? Believe there were proven accusations by the Colts of pumping in crowd noise too.

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Post by bradshaw2ben » Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:58 pm

Greeksteel wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:01 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:56 pm
Steelperch wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:49 am
Similar to the 2005 playoff run. Everyone thought we’d come out running, they let Ben play action and throw over their heads.

This is the first time with Ben that we’ve ever gone into a playoff game with low expectations and being big underdogs. Tomlin has absolutely nothing to lose with an aggressive game plan. That said, we’ll be down 20 points before Ben gets to throw a 10 yard pass.
Uh, really? They were low expectations vs the Colts in 2005, for sure. That seemed impossible at the time.
Also similar to the 2005 season we had lost pretty big to the Colts earlier in the regular season. Cant recall the exact score but it was definitely in the double digit loss category.
26-7 seemed worse than that at the time, probably because it started with an 80-yard TD.
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Post by Greeksteel » Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:58 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:58 pm
Greeksteel wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:01 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:56 pm


Uh, really? They were low expectations vs the Colts in 2005, for sure. That seemed impossible at the time.
Also similar to the 2005 season we had lost pretty big to the Colts earlier in the regular season. Cant recall the exact score but it was definitely in the double digit loss category.
26-7 seemed worse than that at the time, probably because it started with an 80-yard TD.
true

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Post by Quixotic » Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:58 pm

jeemie wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:05 pm
Greeksteel wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:01 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:56 pm


Uh, really? They were low expectations vs the Colts in 2005, for sure. That seemed impossible at the time.
Also similar to the 2005 season we had lost pretty big to the Colts earlier in the regular season. Cant recall the exact score but it was definitely in the double digit loss category.
26-7…Ben’s first game back from knee surgery.
Manning got Ike Taylor to bite on a pump fake in the first drive. Hit Marvin Harrison in stride for like a 70-yard touchdown. It was a track meet from there on out.

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Post by Texas Black & Gold » Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:07 pm

Stosh-67 wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:08 pm
No chance to come out and probe, feel out the Chiefs.
We know exactly what their game plan will be...........to score alot of points.

We are 3-7 in our last 10 playoff games.
Outscored 286-243 in those 10 games. 28.6

The losses to Rogers, Tebow and the 8-8 Broncos, Flacco, 39 year old Peyton Manning in his last year, Brady, Bortles and Mayfield.

The wins over AJ McCarron in the Cincy imploding game, Miami, 10-6 and Matt Moore and KC and Alex Smith

Last 3 playoff games down 10-0, down 21-0, down 28-0.
Gave up 129 in these last 3 games. 129 / 3 = 43 ppg.

Ben has thrown for 1,284 yards in these last 3 games.
This team, game plan, play calling, schemes, players available, false starts, illegal formations, timing, sync, mentality, etc.............is not suited for Ben to throw for 400-500 yards.

Maybe, just maybe..............
The fact we are not planning for a AJ McCarron, Matt Moore, Bortles, Mayfield typ of QB's........................we will not have the mentality to probe, keep it close to the vest, digest the information gathered in the 1st quarter, ease in, then formulate a plan, blah, blah, blah

And realize...........we are playing a top 3 QB in the game today ( A.R. T.B. P.M. ) and we need to be ready hours and days before kick off.
I know this might not be the case, but maybe the Steelers dismissed KC the first time around. Knowing a win was not critical to the over all scheme of making the playoffs.

Maybe just maybe, a completely different approach to this game will result in a much different outcome. I really think they will try something different.

Take what ever points you can get but don't let testosterone cause you to make stupid unnecessary decisions.
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Post by Jobu » Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:15 pm

I know this might not be the case, but maybe the Steelers dismissed KC the first time around. Knowing a win was not critical to the over all scheme of making the playoffs.
C’mon man! :roll:

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Post by 955876 » Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:16 pm

Tomlin has absolutely nothing to lose
Which is why he won’t do shit other than his typical “standard” shit.

The guy skates knowing that 8-8-1 is enough to get extensions. He also knows squeaking into the playoffs every once in a while is more than enough to give Dunce a chubby and guarantee extensions for life.

So ya, Jibbs knows he has absolutely nothing to lose by easing in, playing it safe, and trying to make it close in the second half.



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Post by TTP » Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:21 pm

Jobu wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:15 pm
I know this might not be the case, but maybe the Steelers dismissed KC the first time around. Knowing a win was not critical to the over all scheme of making the playoffs.
C’mon man! :roll:
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Post by Texas Black & Gold » Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:27 pm

Jobu wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:15 pm
I know this might not be the case, but maybe the Steelers dismissed KC the first time around. Knowing a win was not critical to the over all scheme of making the playoffs.
C’mon man! :roll:
Well I have no other explanation as to why the Steelers did not look like they wanted to play that day.

I didn't see any passion or fire in the belly. I don't recall any of the players except maybe Najee playing hard. They all came out flat as if they were just going through the motions. Even in the press conferences they didn't seem to be upset with their performance.

The body language before, during and after just seemed very dismissive or aloof.
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Post by RemoAZ » Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:37 pm

Texas Black & Gold wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:27 pm
Jobu wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:15 pm
I know this might not be the case, but maybe the Steelers dismissed KC the first time around. Knowing a win was not critical to the over all scheme of making the playoffs.
C’mon man! :roll:
Well I have no other explanation as to why the Steelers did not look like they wanted to play that day.

I didn't see any passion or fire in the belly. I don't recall any of the players except maybe Najee playing hard. They all came out flat as if they were just going through the motions. Even in the press conferences they didn't seem to be upset with their performance.

The body language before, during and after just seemed very dismissive or aloof.
The Tomlin consistent slow start, not ready to play strategy can quickly turn in to getting hammered by an explosive team like KC. That combined with how anemic the offense has been the last few years probably had them convinced it was over at 14 - 0 in the 1st quarter and they surrendered like Tomlin has instead of going for it this season. In order to beat good teams, I'm convinced they have to reverse their current horrible game plan and throw to set up the run. They give up a huge chunk of the game going the other way. Even their formations allow the opposing team to stack everyone in the box. Unless KC's offense has a terrible day and Mahomes throws us a pick 6 or three, I don't see this game going any different.
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Post by Kodiak. » Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:42 pm

Texas Black & Gold wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:07 pm
I know this might not be the case, but maybe the Steelers dismissed KC the first time around. Knowing a win was not critical to the over all scheme of making the playoffs.
Yep, we'll finally get to see that gameplan for KC that Tomlin has been saving for the playoffs. It won't have our very best plays - because we're still saving those for the SB - but it should be a better, more prepared effort.
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Post by Texas Black & Gold » Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:49 pm

RemoAZ wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:37 pm
Texas Black & Gold wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:27 pm
Jobu wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:15 pm

C’mon man! :roll:
Well I have no other explanation as to why the Steelers did not look like they wanted to play that day.

I didn't see any passion or fire in the belly. I don't recall any of the players except maybe Najee playing hard. They all came out flat as if they were just going through the motions. Even in the press conferences they didn't seem to be upset with their performance.

The body language before, during and after just seemed very dismissive or aloof.
The Tomlin consistent slow start, not ready to play strategy can quickly turn in to getting hammered by an explosive team like KC. That combined with how anemic the offense has been the last few years probably had them convinced it was over at 14 - 0 in the 1st quarter and they surrendered like Tomlin has instead of going for it this season. In order to beat good teams, I'm convinced they have to reverse their current horrible game plan and throw to set up the run. They give up a huge chunk of the game going the other way. Even their formations allow the opposing team to stack everyone in the box. Unless KC's offense has a terrible day and Mahomes throws us a pick 6 or three, I don't see this game going any different.
I get what you are saying and it makes a lot of sense. Hopefully they come out with a different game plan. Take the crowd out and frustrate Mahomes. Both the D and the O need to step up with everything they have.
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Post by Texas Black & Gold » Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:51 pm

Kodiak. wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:42 pm
Texas Black & Gold wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:07 pm
I know this might not be the case, but maybe the Steelers dismissed KC the first time around. Knowing a win was not critical to the over all scheme of making the playoffs.
Yep, we'll finally get to see that gameplan for KC that Tomlin has been saving for the playoffs. It won't have our very best plays - because we're still saving those for the SB - but it should be a better, more prepared effort.
If the coaches have anything different in the playbook, this would be a good time to try it. They can come up with other plays for the SB. ;)
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Post by 955876 » Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:53 pm

They are going to come out asses puckered with a singular focus of establishing the run.

In Jibbs tiny mind the only way to keep Maholmes off the field is by running the ball.

It escapes him the best way to keep Maholmes off the field is to move the chains and to possess the ball by any means necessary.

1st downs eat clock more than run, run, pass behind the chains, 32 yard punt does.

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Post by robyotter » Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:56 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:56 pm
Steelperch wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:49 am
Similar to the 2005 playoff run. Everyone thought we’d come out running, they let Ben play action and throw over their heads.

This is the first time with Ben that we’ve ever gone into a playoff game with low expectations and being big underdogs. Tomlin has absolutely nothing to lose with an aggressive game plan. That said, we’ll be down 20 points before Ben gets to throw a 10 yard pass.
Uh, really? They were low expectations vs the Colts in 2005, for sure. That seemed impossible at the time.
not really, Manning struggled against 3-4 defenses as I remember, they lost to Shottenheimer.s Chargers earlier that year. I thought it would be a defensive victory instead of a miracle tackle, but that team was at least on paper a far better team than this one. That being said, I do hope Ben has a little magic left.

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