Bradshaw vs Roethlisberger

[Works At A Bank]

Ben
https://youtu.be/rblLo71jWOQ
Terry
https://youtu.be/NxSY4Cy54MU

Now that both of their careers are on tape. Who you taking? As much as I love Big Ben’s game. I’m going with the Blonde Bomber. He fought battles out there in a time when defenses could tee off on QBs. He never lost a SB and was 2 time SB MVP. Ben was a clutch player too and I loved his toughness and backyard style of play. Hell he could have played in the 70s’. But at the end of the day Terry is my top pick.

[Jobu]

Bradshaw worked for one of the 5 greatest head coaches in the history of the league.
Ben worked for the leagues biggest fraud!

[SteelerDayTrader]

Bradshaw worked for one of the 5 greatest head coaches in the history of the league.
Ben worked for the leagues biggest fraud!

Noll was a HORRIBLE QB coach.

[Kodiak.]

Bradshaw worked for one of the 5 greatest head coaches in the history of the league.
Ben worked for the leagues biggest fraud!

What might have been if Ben hadn't played almost his whole career with one of the most offensively challenged minds at HC in 2+ decades.

[Jizz Mop]

Bradshaw worked for one of the 5 greatest head coaches in the history of the league.
Ben worked for the leagues biggest fraud!

What might have been if Ben hadn't played almost his whole career with one of the most idiotic and overratedminds at HC in 2+ decades.

[anpsteel]

Bradshaw worked for one of the 5 greatest head coaches in the history of the league.
Ben worked for the leagues biggest fraud!

Noll was a HORRIBLE QB coach.

Stunned that you have an absurdly wrong opinion


He managed to mold Bradshaw from an inconsistent turnover machine, to possibly the most prolific big game qb, ever

[Jizz Mop]

Bradshaw worked for one of the 5 greatest head coaches in the history of the league.
Ben worked for the leagues biggest fraud!

Noll was a HORRIBLE QB coach.

Stunned that you have an absurdly wrong opinion


He managed to mold Bradshaw from an inconsistent turnover machine, to the most prolific big game qb, ever

Stunned? I’ve grown accustomed to his outlandish comments simply done to troll the board.

[K_C_]

Bradshaw worked for one of the 5 greatest head coaches in the history of the league.
Ben worked for the leagues biggest fraud!

Noll was a HORRIBLE QB coach.

Christ it's good to know you'll never reproduce.

[anpsteel]

Noll was a HORRIBLE QB coach.

Stunned that you have an absurdly wrong opinion


He managed to mold Bradshaw from an inconsistent turnover machine, to the most prolific big game qb, ever

Stunned? I’ve grown accustomed to his outlandish comments simply done to troll the board.

Yeah I get it

Im the dummy for getting sucked in

[SteelerDayTrader]

Bradshaw worked for one of the 5 greatest head coaches in the history of the league.
Ben worked for the leagues biggest fraud!

Noll was a HORRIBLE QB coach.

Stunned that you have an absurdly wrong opinion


He managed to mold Bradshaw from an inconsistent turnover machine, to possibly the most prolific big game qb, ever

[SteelerDayTrader]

Noll was a horrible qb coach. He’d be fired quick today

[breeze]

Bradshaw worked for one of the 5 greatest head coaches in the history of the league.
Ben worked for the leagues biggest fraud!

Tomlin and Cowher are at least as good head coaches as Noll. When Knoll had a weak roster, he put up losing seasons. When Noll had a roster stacked with nearly a dozen HOFers (and he deserves credit), they won and earned rings. Cowher couldn’t always turn water to wine but he did better with weak rosters than Noll. Who else was going to get production out of Stewart..Tomlin as consistently turned water to wine. He pulled HOF production out of AB while we the fans had no idea what kind of crazy AB brought. Tomlin took a decimated roster to 12-4 with an 11-0 start in 2020 after losing AB, Bell, Shazier, etc in the seasons just prior.

I can’t rock with the idea that Tomlin (or Cowher) were sub par coaches when my eyes and the numbers say they were among the elite coaches of their generations.

[anpsteel]

Noll was a horrible qb coach. He’d be fired quick today

This is just idiotic

Can you come up with anything even remotely concrete to substantiate your absurd position??

I'll answer that for you. No you can't.

lol

You can't relate the early 70s nfl to today.

You can't relate the state of early 70s college football and the general preparedness of college QBs to play in the nfl

You can't possibly suggest Noll was a failure, in any respect.

You can't show that Bradshaw was game ready and would have been better on any other team.

You can't prove that he would have progressed better, quicker, within another system or with a different head coach.


All you can do, is look at the historical facts, that Terry went from being an immature, fairly selfish, knucklehead, to a strong leader and an all time QB that excelled under pressure in big moments.

Thats it.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Noll was a horrible qb coach. He’d be fired quick today

This is just idiotic

Can you come up with anything even remotely concrete to substantiate your absurd position??

I'll answer that for you. No you can't.

lol

You can't relate the early 70s nfl to today.

You can't relate the state of early 70s college football and the general preparedness of college QBs to play in the nfl

You can't possibly suggest Noll was a failure, in any respect.

You can't show that Bradshaw was game ready and would have been better on any other team.

You can't prove that he would have progressed better, quicker, within another system or with a different head coach.


All you can do, is look at the historical facts, that Terry went from being an immature, fairly selfish, knucklehead, to a strong leader and an all time QB that excelled under pressure in big moments.

Thats it.

[RemoAZ]

Both QBs were great. Bradshaw won rings with a Hall of Fame defense, oline, RB and two WRs and one of the best teams of all time. Ben won two rings when he had a great defense and very good running game and didn't win shit when those two things aged out/moved on. I would have bet the house Ben could have won more rings if the organization could have kept a decent line in front of him and the defensive genius coach could have coached any sort of competent defense the back half of his career, especially in the playoffs. Hard to judge who was better because of the talent advantage Bradshaw had to play with but Bradshaw's big game performance and the fact that he called his own plays might be the edge. Even though I was too young to really remember his SBs, I love watching the old clips of his deep throws. That javelin throwing style is so cool to see.

The thing we fail to give Ben credit for and probably Tomlin too looking back after the fact is how they both kept those teams at the tail end together with the headcases Brown and Bell were over and above what we got to see. They must have been a nightmare behind closed doors. They should get a medal for that alone.

[955876]

Tomlin and Cowher are at least as good head coaches as Noll.

Jibbs isn’t worthy of being compared to a pimple on Coach Noll’s ass.

Step away from the keyboard Jr.

[Kodiak.]

Tomlin as consistently turned water to wine.

No. It could be piss, or it could be wine. But Tomlin will turn it into water.

Tomlin is a footnote, at best, without inheriting the coaches and players Cowher assembled.

[955876]

Who else was going to get production out of Stewart.

So Bill Cowher, a guy never known for his QB guru skills was the only guy who could have gotten any production out of Stewart?

That is opinion based on nothing.

[955876]

Tomlin as consistently turned water to wine. He pulled HOF production out of AB while we the fans had no idea what kind of crazy AB brought.

He did? Really?

I think AB’s natural talents along with the connection he had with Ben is what produced HOF numbers.

Jibbs simply let AB be AB.

And AB wasn’t as bat shit crazy in those early years as he later turned out to be.

Jibbs benefitted from Ben & AB. He didn’t make them.

And BTW, Jibbs has 3 playoff wins (one gifted) in what, 12 years now? 13?

I’d say he’s allowed wine to turn to vinegar rather than turning water into wine.

NHALS season isnt wine. Getting blown off the field in the wildcard round isn’t wine.

A Super Bowl is wine. Something he’s never won without a roster full Cowher’s players.

He’s a fraud.

But keep drinking his Kool-Aid and eating his word salads.

[Mick]

With the caveat that bradshaw’s glory days were mostly over before i was born,

I would take Ben. He was one of the better QBs in the league pretty much every year of his very long career, and was able to succeed in very different ways. Bradshaw had more postseason success, but the rosters around him were a lot better. Not really a single year you can point to with Ben and say “that was a complete team” (2007 was pretty decent until we lost our top d-liner and DPOY DB, and i think our best OT. And our probowl RB with no one behind him on the depth chart).

I think the tendency will be to go with bradshaw though, as you can point to four championships and squint as him being secondish all time, vs. Ben being understandably viewed as 3rd best in his own conference for most of his career. But #1 and #2 there are arguably #1 and #2 all time.

[SteelPro]

Steelers history prior to Chuck Noll rivals the Detroit Lions in ineptitude. They were the joke of the NFL prior to Noll. He turned the Steelers franchise into one of the greatest dynasties in the history of the NFL. Show some god damn respect people.

[JackLambert58]

Bradshaw worked for one of the 5 greatest head coaches in the history of the league.
Ben worked for the leagues biggest fraud!

Tomlin and Cowher are at least as good head coaches as Noll. When Knoll had a weak roster, he put up losing seasons. When Noll had a roster stacked with nearly a dozen HOFers (and he deserves credit), they won and earned rings. Cowher couldn’t always turn water to wine but he did better with weak rosters than Noll. Who else was going to get production out of Stewart..Tomlin as consistently turned water to wine. He pulled HOF production out of AB while we the fans had no idea what kind of crazy AB brought. Tomlin took a decimated roster to 12-4 with an 11-0 start in 2020 after losing AB, Bell, Shazier, etc in the seasons just prior.

I can’t rock with the idea that Tomlin (or Cowher) were sub par coaches when my eyes and the numbers say they were among the elite coaches of their generations.

You should really do some research before you get on this board and post. Either that or you're just being a fucking troll. I really can't tell which given the total ignorance that you spewed.

Chuck Noll (not Knoll) took over a team that went 1-13 devoid of talent and led them to four Super Bowl victories. Don't you think he had a hand in building up that team with the talent it had during the 70's? Chuck Noll is the greatest head coach in Pittsburgh Steelers history and one of the top five coaches in NFL history, and for you not to acknowledge that really shows that you are a football dope and you really have no business considering yourself a Pittsburgh Steelers fan. When you get a moment, go look at the 1989 season and then think about your idiotic statement about putting up losing seasons when he had weak talent. Cowher and Tomlin only wish they could do the coaching job Noll did in 1989.

Cowher had plenty of talent to have won the Super Bowl during the 90's. He won none. They got smoked in '92 playoffs by the Bills at home after going 11-5 in the regular season. Cowher had talent galore when his teams lost FOUR AFC Championship games AT HOME and damn near lost a fifth to the decimated Indianapolis Colts in 1995! In all four losses, the Steelers were the favorite and got beat. Also, let's not forget the 1998, 1999 and 2003 seasons where Cowher had losing seasons with decent talent on the roster.

As for Tomlin, do you truly want to use the 2020 season as an example of his coaching prowess? Really? You do realize that team gave up 48 points to Cleveland Browns in the playoffs when said Browns head coach was watching the game in his man cave with COVID so Tomlin actually lost that game to Cleveland's special teams coordinator. 2020 was actually the third season in a row where Tomlin's teams collapsed at the end of the season, and had not the Steelers came back and knocked off the Colts in Week 16, they would have lost the last five games of the season and missed the playoffs after starting off 12-0. As it was, they lost five of their last six games. 2020 aside, you do realize that they haven't won a single playoff game since 2016 and have won a grand total of three since 2010 against teams with starting QBs named AJ McCarron, Matt Moore and Alex Smith. This with talent laden teams during the 2010's.

Tomlin and Cowher as good as Noll. Good Lord, the ignorance of some people.

[Works At A Bank]

With the caveat that bradshaw’s glory days were mostly over before i was born,

I would take Ben. He was one of the better QBs in the league pretty much every year of his very long career, and was able to succeed in very different ways. Bradshaw had more postseason success, but the rosters around him were a lot better. Not really a single year you can point to with Ben and say “that was a complete team” (2007 was pretty decent until we lost our top d-liner and DPOY DB, and i think our best OT. And our probowl RB with no one behind him on the depth chart).

I think the tendency will be to go with bradshaw though, as you can point to four championships and squint as him being secondish all time, vs. Ben being understandably viewed as 3rd best in his own conference for most of his career. But #1 and #2 there are arguably #1 and #2 all time.

I agree with all these points and I’ll also add that Bradshaw played against some of the greatest teams the rest of the NFL had to offer at that time. So to me that gives Bradshaw a little more edge. Add in that the NFL favored the passing game most of Ben’s career.

After watching both of those videos it reminded me that Bradshaw and Ben had similar playing styles. Both tough as nails, could get the tough yards with their legs, they both had a strong arm and did I mention they were both were tough as nails? Ultimately I chose Bradshaw cause he came through big time when it mattered most. 4-0 in Super Bowls is impressive no matter how you slice it.

[LakecrestSteeler]

Ben
https://youtu.be/rblLo71jWOQ
Terry
https://youtu.be/NxSY4Cy54MU

Now that both of their careers are on tape. Who you taking? As much as I love Big Ben’s game. I’m going with the Blonde Bomber. He fought battles out there in a time when defenses could tee off on QBs. He never lost a SB and was 2 time SB MVP. Ben was a clutch player too and I loved his toughness and backyard style of play. Hell he could have played in the 70s’. But at the end of the day Terry is my top pick.

Ben is a much better QB because he built his body of work on top of Bradshaw’s. Take Bradshaw and Montana and Elway away and Ben is a shell of himself and none of that would be packed into his suitcase of talent.

If you doubt me, just look at how Ben attacks the boundaries of the end zone in the plays above. You can see the thousands of throws that got him to that level with coaching techniques developed through the years and decades that passed; they knew there was more territory in the end zone to take. He attacks end lines and side lines like the great tennis players landing the tennis ball on the lines. It is not a fluke they practice it.

TB did not practice this stuff in his day, so it becomes and apples to oranges comparison between eras.

[anpsteel]

I am on permanent record that I’d take Terry over Ben, but to Ben’s credit, he’s one of the few contemporaries that I think could have had success playing in the 70s

I’m not so sure about Manning and Brady - I think the physical punishment would have dramatically altered their games

[Jizz Mop]

I am on permanent record that I’d take Terry over Ben, but to Ben’s credit, he’s one of the few contemporaries that I think could have had success playing in the 70s

I’m not so sure about Manning and Brady - I think the physical punishment would have dramatically altered their games

Don’t think Brady would enjoy being tossed on his head

He complains if someone touches him

Fucking douche he is

[anpsteel]

I am on permanent record that I’d take Terry over Ben, but to Ben’s credit, he’s one of the few contemporaries that I think could have had success playing in the 70s

I’m not so sure about Manning and Brady - I think the physical punishment would have dramatically altered their games

Don’t think Brady would enjoy being tossed on his head

He complains if someone touches him

Fucking douche he is

Exactly

[JackLambert58]

It's really hard to compare QBs from that era to now. The running game was far more predominate in those days, and really the level of competition was absolutely off the charts in the 70's as compared to today. In the 70's, the four best QB's IMO were Terry Bradshaw, Ken Stabler, Roger Staubach and Fran Tarkenton not necessarily in that order. Here's the lifetime TD's, INT's and completion pct for each:

Bradshaw 212 TD, 210 INT, 51.9%
Stabler 194 TD, 222 INT, 59.8%
Staubach 153 TD, 109 INT, 57.0%
Tarkenton 342 TD, 266 INT, 57.0%

In Ben's time, I think the four best were Ben Roethlisberger, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Drew Brees again not necessarily in that order. Here's the lifetime TD's, INT's and completion pct for each:

Roethlisberger 418 TD, 211 INT, 64.4%
Brady 645 TD, 212 INT, 64.3%
Manning 539 TD, 231 INT, 65.3%
Brees 571 TD, 243 INT, 67.7%

A completely different game as you can see.

But to answer the original question, if you give me the 1978 Pittsburgh Steelers offense with Franco and Rocky in the backfield and Swann and Stallworth at WR, and I need them to go 95 yards to win a Super Bowl, I put Ben behind center before Terry to get that victory.

[anpsteel]

It's really hard to compare QBs from that era to now. The running game was far more predominate in those days, and really the level of competition was absolutely off the charts in the 70's as compared to today. In the 70's, the four best QB's IMO were Terry Bradshaw, Ken Stabler, Roger Staubach and Fran Tarkenton not necessarily in that order. Here's the lifetime TD's, INT's and completion pct for each:

Bradshaw 212 TD, 210 INT, 51.9%
Stabler 194 TD, 222 INT, 59.8%
Staubach 153 TD, 109 INT, 57.0%
Tarkenton 342 TD, 266 INT, 57.0%

In Ben's time, I think the four best were Ben Roethlisberger, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Drew Brees again not necessarily in that order. Here's the lifetime TD's, INT's and completion pct for each:

Roethlisberger 418 TD, 211 INT, 64.4%
Brady 645 TD, 212 INT, 64.3%
Manning 539 TD, 231 INT, 65.3%
Brees 571 TD, 243 INT, 67.7%

A completely different game as you can see.

But to answer the original question, if you give me the 1978 Pittsburgh Steelers offense with Franco and Rocky in the backfield and Swann and Stallworth at WR, and I need them to go 95 yards to win a Super Bowl, I put Ben behind center before Terry to get that victory.

To me, the swing vote, so to speak, is Ben's inability to operate under center. If you separate the under center, from not under center, you'd see a massive disparity between the results.

So in your scenario, if you are operating the 78 team, with 78 rules, I'm still taking Terry. With today's rules, I'm still taking Terry, but Ben becomes more viable- because the component that Ben is most comfortable in- no huddle where he's calling the plays- is what Terry did the entire time he was starting.

-So Terry would play under center equally as effective as in shotgun, therefore play action is back on the menu & he was calling his own plays, all the time.

[Professor Half Wit]

Am I the only one who derives amusement from posts from dudes who have never sniffed an NFL field proclaiming how soft the modern elite QBs not named Ben are?

We have no fucking clue how Manning or Brady would have performed in the 70s.