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[RemoAZ]

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Last 2:30 from Super Bowl 43 #Steelers

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[LakecrestSteeler]

I just watched the whole thing again last night!

I changed my tune about Holmes too after all these years….he was the Super Bowl MVP. I always thought it should have been Ben. But the catch that was negated because of the holding in the end zone really cemented it for me…The safety play! I don’t think I realized how “in the zone” SH was that night. He caught that thing off of his tail bone with one hand and a defender draped on him. The defender slammed his hand on the ground wondering what in the world was going on….what does a man have to do to prevent a catch! SH was making circus catch after circus catch in the biggest game of Steeler yore!

He was a man possessed. I also now believe he couldn’t physically catch the one that went through his hands before the famous TD. I think he just didn’t have the extra couple nano seconds needed to fire the muscles.

[Kodiak.]

He was a man possessed. I also now believe he couldn’t physically catch the one that went through his hands before the famous TD. I think he just didn’t have the extra couple nano seconds needed to fire the muscles.

Ben threw it hot? LOL,never occurred to me. I gotta watch that all again.

[LakecrestSteeler]

I also saw a report from Gerry Dulac that the script has been flipped in practice today. That got me fired up!

I had been reading how the defense was really making it hard for Pickett and the O, in the various drills over the course of 2023 training camp. But today!

Today the tide turned and things started clicking. Might have to write this date down for the start of something special with the KP8 offense.

I believe Dulac said the offense went 6 and 1 on the 7 shots drill as an example. Good news!

[LakecrestSteeler]

He was a man possessed. I also now believe he couldn’t physically catch the one that went through his hands before the famous TD. I think he just didn’t have the extra couple nano seconds needed to fire the muscles.

Ben threw it hot? LOL,never occurred to me. I gotta watch that all again.

I have argued with many on the board that Ben was the MVP of 43. I am now thinking that there were too many mercy throws to Ward and mercy runs to the RB Corp.

I am pretty sure Ben and Santonio could have thrown for 500 yards and 5 TDs that night had it been called. Arians and Tomlin soiled the bed not identifying that something remarkable was going on with SH and quite possibly with Ben too. Holmes had the snatches going early and his legs were juiced coupled with weeble wobble balance the whole night. Hell he was running with his hands at times.

[jeemie]

Holmes played exceedingly well that entire playoff run…don’t forget the punt return for the TD against San Diego and his moves to get the only offensive TD the Steelers scored in the AFCCG.

[RemoAZ]

I'll always believe James was the MVP of that SB. He was a problem the entire game and the TD was basically a 14 point play or at worst, 10.

[Pabst]

I'll always believe James was the MVP of that SB. He was a problem the entire game and the TD was basically a 14 point play or at worst, 10.

It's always funny to me when people talk about Larry Fitzgerald bumping into a teammate and how he would have caught up with Harrison otherwise.

Nobody ever seems to mention that running OOB like that is blatantly illegal

[shellwagnerblount]

I'll always believe James was the MVP of that SB. He was a problem the entire game and the TD was basically a 14 point play or at worst, 10.

It's always funny to me when people talk about Larry Fitzgerald bumping into a teammate and how he would have caught up with Harrison otherwise.

Nobody ever seems to mention that running OOB like that is blatantly illegal

LOL...I know! My wife is a casual fan of NFL but at a friend's party she made that point by asking "Isn't it illegal to run OOB to gain advantage without making any attempt to get back IN bounds?" There was much gasping of indignation from a Arizona fan who was also our host...

[tbsteel]

Holmes played exceedingly well that entire playoff run…don’t forget the punt return for the TD against San Diego and his moves to get the only offensive TD the Steelers scored in the AFCCG.

That SB run was a total team effort. Hard to give a MVP to a single guy but Holmes was certainly deserving.

[Almighty Slacker]

I'll always believe James was the MVP of that SB. He was a problem the entire game and the TD was basically a 14 point play or at worst, 10.

It's always funny to me when people talk about Larry Fitzgerald bumping into a teammate and how he would have caught up with Harrison otherwise.

Nobody ever seems to mention that running OOB like that is blatantly illegal

Isn't the problem at that point, if Larry caught up, that it would be a dead ball foul with no time left on the clock? Would we have had another chance to run a play to score if Larry illegally caught and tackled Harrison short of the Goal Line. I honestly don't know the rules well enough but whenever I have considered that play and Larry, I'm glad he ran into a teammate cause we may have been screwed by the rules and clock at that point, or at a minimum of having one chance to punch it in (no guarantee even if at the 1/2 yard line).

[Jobu]

I'll always believe James was the MVP of that SB. He was a problem the entire game and the TD was basically a 14 point play or at worst, 10.

It's always funny to me when people talk about Larry Fitzgerald bumping into a teammate and how he would have caught up with Harrison otherwise.

Nobody ever seems to mention that running OOB like that is blatantly illegal

Isn't the problem at that point, if Larry caught up, that it would be a dead ball foul with no time left on the clock? Would we have had another chance to run a play to score if Larry illegally caught and tackled Harrison short of the Goal Line. I honestly don't know the rules well enough but whenever I have considered that play and Larry, I'm glad he ran into a teammate cause we may have been screwed by the rules and clock at that point, or at a minimum of having one chance to punch it in (no guarantee even if at the 1/2 yard line).

Yes, they would’ve had another play, probably a FG attempt, had he caught him AND been flagged. But he wasn’t flagged, right or wrong.
IIRC, there was a flag on the Cards back around the LOS. I don’t recall what the penalty was, but it likely would’ve been marked off from the original LOS, in which case, the Steelers would’ve declined and the half would have been over.
As for the MVP, I look at it this way. Without Holmes and Ben’s late game heroics, JHs interception return would’ve been an amazing play in a losing effort. Holmes (or 7) was the right choice. My 2 cents…

[Professor Half Wit]

It's always funny to me when people talk about Larry Fitzgerald bumping into a teammate and how he would have caught up with Harrison otherwise.

Nobody ever seems to mention that running OOB like that is blatantly illegal

Isn't the problem at that point, if Larry caught up, that it would be a dead ball foul with no time left on the clock? Would we have had another chance to run a play to score if Larry illegally caught and tackled Harrison short of the Goal Line. I honestly don't know the rules well enough but whenever I have considered that play and Larry, I'm glad he ran into a teammate cause we may have been screwed by the rules and clock at that point, or at a minimum of having one chance to punch it in (no guarantee even if at the 1/2 yard line).

Yes, they would’ve had another play, probably a FG attempt, had he caught him AND been flagged. But he wasn’t flagged, right or wrong.
IIRC, there was a flag on the Cards back around the LOS. I don’t recall what the penalty was, but it likely would’ve been marked off from the original LOS, in which case, the Steelers would’ve declined and the half would have been over.
As for the MVP, I look at it this way. Without Holmes and Ben’s late game heroics, JHs interception return would’ve been an amazing play in a losing effort. Holmes (or 7) was the right choice. My 2 cents…

And without JH, none of those second half heroics matter. Further, are OLB / edge more supposed to be able to pull off what JH did than QB / WR are supposed to be able to pull off what Ben / SH did? In a game of remarkable plays, I put JH's EZ to EZ int TD at the top. It was and remains just a mind boggling feat of utterly inexplicable bad-assery. JH, Ben, Holmes. Any of the three were deserving in my mind.

[COR-TEN]

Holmes was money throughout the PS. But holmes wouldn't catch that TD if BR didn't put in the exact location, inches above the defender.

I dunno. I don't see JH as the MVP. Outstanding play that should go down in NFL history, but not MVP. My choice? 1. BR. 2. Holmes.

James H wouldn't have saved that game, but I for sure think BR and Holmes would have brought the victory home, regardless.

[Jobu]

Isn't the problem at that point, if Larry caught up, that it would be a dead ball foul with no time left on the clock? Would we have had another chance to run a play to score if Larry illegally caught and tackled Harrison short of the Goal Line. I honestly don't know the rules well enough but whenever I have considered that play and Larry, I'm glad he ran into a teammate cause we may have been screwed by the rules and clock at that point, or at a minimum of having one chance to punch it in (no guarantee even if at the 1/2 yard line).

Yes, they would’ve had another play, probably a FG attempt, had he caught him AND been flagged. But he wasn’t flagged, right or wrong.
IIRC, there was a flag on the Cards back around the LOS. I don’t recall what the penalty was, but it likely would’ve been marked off from the original LOS, in which case, the Steelers would’ve declined and the half would have been over.
As for the MVP, I look at it this way. Without Holmes and Ben’s late game heroics, JHs interception return would’ve been an amazing play in a losing effort. Holmes (or 7) was the right choice. My 2 cents…

And without JH, none of those second half heroics matter. Further, are OLB / edge more supposed to be able to pull off what JH did than QB / WR are supposed to be able to pull off what Ben / SH did? In a game of remarkable plays, I put JH's EZ to EZ int TD at the top. It was and remains just a mind boggling feat of utterly inexplicable bad-assery. JH, Ben, Holmes. Any of the three were deserving in my mind.

Any of the three were deserving in my mind.

No argument…

And without JH, none of those second half heroics matter.

But here is where I might slightly disagree. It was a great play, and a very important point of the game. But had Harrison not did what he did, we have no way of knowing what happens from there. The game doesn’t play out the same way.

Anyone that wants to claim that JH deserved the MVP, again, I won’t argue. Had he won it, it would’ve been well deserved. But when you score the winning TD with seconds left in the game, on a play that was amazing in its own right, while also making other big plays throughout the game, more often than not, you will get the MVP.
Again…my 2 cents.

[Kodiak.]

But here is where I might slightly disagree. It was a great play, and a very important point of the game. But had Harrison not did what he did, we have no way of knowing what happens from there. The game doesn’t play out the same way.

Agreed. And IMO, Ben and Santonio would not have been denied. As soon as the handcuffs came off, they were going to win that game.

On that day, Tomlin lost an ass puckering contest he had absolutely no chance of winning.

[Professor Half Wit]

Y’all are playing hypotheticals. I’m going off what actually happened.

[Pabst]

Yes, they would’ve had another play, probably a FG attempt, had he caught him AND been flagged. But he wasn’t flagged, right or wrong.
IIRC, there was a flag on the Cards back around the LOS. I don’t recall what the penalty was, but it likely would’ve been marked off from the original LOS, in which case, the Steelers would’ve declined and the half would have been over.
As for the MVP, I look at it this way. Without Holmes and Ben’s late game heroics, JHs interception return would’ve been an amazing play in a losing effort. Holmes (or 7) was the right choice. My 2 cents…

It was definitely wrong that Fitz wasn't flagged. But whatever, it worked out.

Hypothetically...had it been flagged, the yardage would have been marked from where Harrison was tackled and there would have been an untimed down to end the half.

The original penalty was on a Cards' lineman for facemasking Timmons.


Going back a little bit:
The Cards had the ball 1st and Goal from the one with :18 left. They'd just used their 3rd Time Out. The penalty on the play was a 15 yard facemask on the Cards. Had Harrison not made that play, it would have been 1st and goal from the 16 with 12 or 13 seconds left.

[Stosh-67]

Isn't the problem at that point, if Larry caught up, that it would be a dead ball foul with no time left on the clock? Would we have had another chance to run a play to score if Larry illegally caught and tackled Harrison short of the Goal Line. I honestly don't know the rules well enough but whenever I have considered that play and Larry, I'm glad he ran into a teammate cause we may have been screwed by the rules and clock at that point, or at a minimum of having one chance to punch it in (no guarantee even if at the 1/2 yard line).

Yes, they would’ve had another play, probably a FG attempt, had he caught him AND been flagged. But he wasn’t flagged, right or wrong.
IIRC, there was a flag on the Cards back around the LOS. I don’t recall what the penalty was, but it likely would’ve been marked off from the original LOS, in which case, the Steelers would’ve declined and the half would have been over.
As for the MVP, I look at it this way. Without Holmes and Ben’s late game heroics, JHs interception return would’ve been an amazing play in a losing effort. Holmes (or 7) was the right choice. My 2 cents…

And without JH, none of those second half heroics matter. Further, are OLB / edge more supposed to be able to pull off what JH did than QB / WR are supposed to be able to pull off what Ben / SH did? In a game of remarkable plays, I put JH's EZ to EZ int TD at the top. It was and remains just a mind boggling feat of utterly inexplicable bad-assery. JH, Ben, Holmes. Any of the three were deserving in my mind.

JH pick 6, 100 yard TD
Is there is a better play in SB history?
When listing greatest plays in SB history....I believe they all should end in a TD.

[Jobu]

Y’all are playing hypotheticals. I’m going off what actually happened.

You stated…

And without JH, none of those second half heroics matter.

Correct me if I’m wrong, you’re the scholar and I’m just Cletus from the sticks, but isn’t this bringing hypotheticals into the discussion? If not, I apologize.

[Professor Half Wit]

Y’all are playing hypotheticals. I’m going off what actually happened.

You stated…

And without JH, none of those second half heroics matter.

Correct me if I’m wrong, you’re the scholar and I’m just Cletus from the sticks, but isn’t this bringing hypotheticals into the discussion? If not, I apologize.

Yup. Let me rephrase. Based on what did actually occur after, had JH not scored. Totally fair face rub by you to meet, Jobu.

What I meant to say was that given how the Gabe actually played out, without JH scoring the Steelers do not win. His contribution was no less critical.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Both were great plays

Santonio made the single greatest game winning catch in SB history

THATS how you slam doors lol

[Jobu]

Y’all are playing hypotheticals. I’m going off what actually happened.

You stated…

And without JH, none of those second half heroics matter.

Correct me if I’m wrong, you’re the scholar and I’m just Cletus from the sticks, but isn’t this bringing hypotheticals into the discussion? If not, I apologize.

Yup. Let me rephrase. Based on what did actually occur after, had JH not scored. Totally fair face rub by you to meet, Jobu.

What I meant to say was that given how the Gabe actually played out, without JH scoring the Steelers do not win. His contribution was no less critical.

I don’t disagree.

[Deebo]

Both were great plays

Santonio made the single greatest game winning catch in SB history

THATS how you slam doors lol

Wasn't it technically Woodley who slammed the door? Game wasn't over when Holmes caught the TD

[jeemie]

It's always funny to me when people talk about Larry Fitzgerald bumping into a teammate and how he would have caught up with Harrison otherwise.

Nobody ever seems to mention that running OOB like that is blatantly illegal

Isn't the problem at that point, if Larry caught up, that it would be a dead ball foul with no time left on the clock? Would we have had another chance to run a play to score if Larry illegally caught and tackled Harrison short of the Goal Line. I honestly don't know the rules well enough but whenever I have considered that play and Larry, I'm glad he ran into a teammate cause we may have been screwed by the rules and clock at that point, or at a minimum of having one chance to punch it in (no guarantee even if at the 1/2 yard line).

Yes, they would’ve had another play, probably a FG attempt, had he caught him AND been flagged. But he wasn’t flagged, right or wrong.
IIRC, there was a flag on the Cards back around the LOS. I don’t recall what the penalty was, but it likely would’ve been marked off from the original LOS, in which case, the Steelers would’ve declined and the half would have been over.
As for the MVP, I look at it this way. Without Holmes and Ben’s late game heroics, JHs interception return would’ve been an amazing play in a losing effort. Holmes (or 7) was the right choice. My 2 cents…

IIRC the flag happened in the run back, and so the Steelers would have had the ball on the one inch line and one untimed down to do something.

Guarantee you Tomlin goes for the FG. He would not have risked not scoring points.

Therefore I was never so happy to see that Harrison made it in and I didn’t have to worry about that decision.

[Jobu]

IIRC the flag happened in the run back, and so the Steelers would have had the ball on the one inch line and one untimed down to do something.

Thank you. I couldn’t remember what the penalty was. I stand corrected.

Guarantee you Tomlin goes for the FG. He would not have risked not scoring points.

Yes…100%. Zero doubt in my mind that Tomlin kicks the FG.

Therefore I was never so happy to see that Harrison made it in and I didn’t have to worry about that decision.

As the play was happening, I was screaming in my mind…score, score, score! At one point in the return, one of the DBs was signaling for Harrison to pitch him the ball. One of my buddies was yelling “give it to the fast guy!”
It turned out great!

[Scunge]

Both were great plays

Santonio made the single greatest game winning catch in SB history

THATS how you slam doors lol

Wasn't it technically Woodley who slammed the door? Game wasn't over when Holmes caught the TD

I tend to agree Deebo. Lamar Woodley sacked and forced the fumble that Keisel recovered. We score on that Holmes TD and kickoff to Arizona. And what did Kurt Warner do in short order?? They had two timeouts remaining. He was easily moving down the field. They were at their own 23 yard line, and two quick passes later (and two timeouts called) they are at the Pittsburgh 44 yard line with 15 seconds remaining.

That is enough time for 2, perhaps 3 more strikes from Kurt Warner to his trio of 1,000 yard WRs. But the Real Super Bowl MVP Lamar Woodley would not let it happen. He sacked Warner and forced the fumble which Keisel recovered, saving the game.

[jeemie]

Both were great plays

Santonio made the single greatest game winning catch in SB history

THATS how you slam doors lol

Wasn't it technically Woodley who slammed the door? Game wasn't over when Holmes caught the TD

I tend to agree Deebo. Lamar Woodley sacked and forced the fumble that Keisel recovered. We score on that Holmes TD and kickoff to Arizona. And what did Kurt Warner do in short order?? They had two timeouts remaining. He was easily moving down the field. They were at their own 23 yard line, and two quick passes later (and two timeouts called) they are at the Pittsburgh 44 yard line with 15 seconds remaining.

That is enough time for 2, perhaps 3 more strikes from Kurt Warner to his trio of 1,000 yard WRs. But the Real Super Bowl MVP Lamar Woodley would not let it happen. He sacked Warner and forced the fumble which Keisel recovered, saving the game.

To this day I shudder had the officials ruled that an incomplete pass because IIRC one of our guys removed his helmet and we got flagged for 15 yards for that.

Cards on the doorstep with a few seconds left? The way the defense had gone a little soft the last part of the second half?

Yikes!

[bradshaw2ben]

I'll always believe James was the MVP of that SB. He was a problem the entire game and the TD was basically a 14 point play or at worst, 10.

It's always funny to me when people talk about Larry Fitzgerald bumping into a teammate and how he would have caught up with Harrison otherwise.

Nobody ever seems to mention that running OOB like that is blatantly illegal

Isn't the problem at that point, if Larry caught up, that it would be a dead ball foul with no time left on the clock? Would we have had another chance to run a play to score if Larry illegally caught and tackled Harrison short of the Goal Line. I honestly don't know the rules well enough but whenever I have considered that play and Larry, I'm glad he ran into a teammate cause we may have been screwed by the rules and clock at that point, or at a minimum of having one chance to punch it in (no guarantee even if at the 1/2 yard line).

first off, the announcing team was blatantly wrong: the clock didn’t run out until after Harrison landed in the end zone. It would have been a dead ball on change of possession. Secondly, yes, if Fitzgerald had committed a penalty with no time remaining, the Steelers would have gotten an untimed down.