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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Mon Oct 02, 2023 8:55 pm

Best case scenario imo


- The Steelers continue to lose and lose a lot of games. Fortunately this is very possible. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to imagine a top 5 draft spot.

- The Steelers trade their “stars” who have ZERO chance of being here and/or relevant by the time the Steelers rebuild going at their current pace

- I see trade scenarios as:

Watt = 1, 2, 4, 5, 2025 2
Minkah = 1, 4, 2025 4
Pickens = 1, 3, 5, 2025 3
DJ = 3, 5
Pickett = 4


This not only nets draft picks to rebuild but also frees up significant cap space. If we assume the Steelers finish at 7 in the draft.

Then the Steelers could have
1 Caleb Williams
1 1 2 3 3 3 4 4 4 4 5 5 5 6 7 7 this and 1 2 3 4 4 4 5 6 7 next year

Their draft could pretty easily look like this

1 Caleb Williams QB USC
1 JC Latham RT Alabama
1 (Traded for 2 and 3)
2 Kameren Kitchens FS Miami
2 Kingsley Suamataia OG/OT BYU
3 Tony Grimes CB Texas A&M
3 Nazir Stackhouse DL Georgia
3 Smael Mondon Jr LB Georgia
3 Bryce Foster C Texas A&M
4 Jalen Catalon SS Texas A&M
4 Bru McCoy WR Tennessee
4 Ainias Smith WR Texas A&M
4 Brenden Rice WR USC
4 Khordae Sydnor ILB/EDGE Purdue
5 Jasheen Davis EDGE Wake Forest
5 Collin Oliver EDGE Oklahoma St.
5 (Traded for 6 and 7)
6 Alton McCaskill RB Colorado
6 Micah Bernard RB Utah
7 Cornelius Johnson WR Michigan
7 Jordan Jefferson DL LSU
7 Justin Rogers DL Auburn

Before you start with your dumbass bitching remember this:

NONE of the players traded will be here by the time the Steelers are competitive again continuing on their current path


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Post by Professor Half Wit » Mon Oct 02, 2023 9:21 pm

Would be more entertaining than what we’re watching.

I’m as big a Watt fan boy as any on the board.

He’ll never have a ring here.
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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Mon Oct 02, 2023 9:34 pm

Additionally

We could move Highsmith to the easier side where Watt plays and he’d probably blow up

Then you could have 1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 6 7 in your pocket for 2025 AND if you hit on just one of the 2024 EDGE rushers Highsmith could net you even more

More than enough to clean up any errors from 2024

Team rebuilt for Lombardi contending in 2 years tops
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Post by Professor Half Wit » Mon Oct 02, 2023 9:37 pm

In your scenario is Tomlin still the coach? Still involved in selecting horseflesh? Still involved in giving the overall direction to the defense and offense?
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Post by 955876 » Mon Oct 02, 2023 9:37 pm

I’d be ok ripping this team down to the bone as long as (1) it brought in a shot load of high pics and (2) Jibba Jabber is no longer associated with the team.

Giving Jibbs new toys is as dumb as buying a 600 piece Lego set for a small child.

You’ll spend Christmas Day putting together that pirate ship but come that night it’ll be all busted up again.

Rinse repeat.

Until Jibbs goes it doesn’t matter who we have.
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Jibba Jabber’s offense hasn’t scored more than 7 1st quarter points in 82 consecutive games. An NFL record by far. A historic amount of “easin in”. We are lucky to have him.

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Post by Professor Half Wit » Mon Oct 02, 2023 9:37 pm

955876 wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 9:37 pm
I’d be ok ripping this team down to the bone as long as (1) it brought in a shot load of high pics and (2) Jibba Jabber is no longer associated with the team.

Giving Jibbs new toys is a dumb as buying a 600 piece Lego set for a small child.

You’ll spend Christmas Day putting together that pirate ship but come that night it’ll be all busted up again.

Rinse repeat.

Until Jibbs goes it doesn’t matter who we have.
Great minds….

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Post by 955876 » Mon Oct 02, 2023 9:41 pm

Well, once Houston’s starters are healthy again maybe we can trades some guys for their 3rd & 4th stringers that tore us up….
Jibba Jabber’s offense hasn’t scored more than 7 1st quarter points in 82 consecutive games. An NFL record by far. A historic amount of “easin in”. We are lucky to have him.

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Post by Kodiak. » Mon Oct 02, 2023 9:45 pm

Teams can and do turn it around in just 1-2 years. Will never happen with Tomlin, but you can't just start a fire sale because you're not confident you can hire the coaches to make it work.

You also have to spend like 90% of your cap, so might as well keep a couple of players that at least deserve top dollar. And a guy like TJ is basically un-tradeable because he's such a unicorn and so valuable that 3 R1 picks in the draft lottery still isn't fair value.

Hire new coaches and naturally some decent players might get moved simply because they don't fit well with the new schemes. Guys like DJ and Najee. Yeah, we all love Highsmith, but what if the new coaches switch to a 4-3?
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Post by jebrick » Mon Oct 02, 2023 9:48 pm

Gambling on the draft picks worked out so well for the Browns.

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Post by the-other-burg » Mon Oct 02, 2023 9:49 pm

Who are the coordinators? Who is the HQ?

We could draft the second coming of Jim Brown and turn him into Ron Dayne with this staff.

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Post by Texas Black & Gold » Mon Oct 02, 2023 9:49 pm

Best case scenario for WHO? :roll:

No.
The best case scenario for fans is to have the Steelers (owners, managers, coaches, and players) get their collective heads out of their rear ends and get back to winning football.
Secure NHALS early and then go deep into the PLAYOFFS. :D :D :D

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Post by tbsteel » Mon Oct 02, 2023 9:51 pm

The actual best case scenario:

*Matt Canada is fired after we lose to the Ravens 24-3.

*Kenny Pickett gets arrested for sharing nudes with minors and is released by the team.

*The Steelers finish 3-14 with the #1 overall pick and draft Caleb Williams.

*Someone young with a brain is hired as OC and given complete autonomy to run the offense with no input from Tomlin with Tomlin's role in the offensive gameplan taken from him. Tomlin naturally hates that and begins angling for a move to TV after the 2024 season.

*The new OC is promoted to HC and works with Khan on remaking the team.
*roots for losses*

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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Mon Oct 02, 2023 10:04 pm

Tomlin’s contract expires after the 2024-25 season

Canada’s contract expires after this season

I can’t find any details on Austin’s contract. He signed a DC contract in Feb 2022. Just a guess but a 3 year contract would expire after the 2024-25 season

Realistically I could see something like these scenarios:

Feb 2024 - Wow we really suck. The defense wouldn’t have been as bad but the horrible offense dragged down the defense. Hard to say for sure Kenny sucks given how bad the offense was. Let’s fire Canada.

Feb 2025 - Pick your scapegoat. Kenny ? Austin ? Tomlin ?

But again the chances of this team being competitive anytime soon are very slim if they continue on the same pace

I can say this fairly certainly

Cincinnati is likely to get exponentially better as a franchise soon due to the Steelers being in a likely prolonged downturn if things don’t change

Cincy always would crash burn largely due to solid Steelers teams. If they establish a winning franchise it’s going to be that much harder to compete

Baltimore and bitch Harbaugh are always tough

The owe the huge large majority of their success to Terry Bradshaw and Ben Roethlisberger.

Are we gonna land one of the top 10 biggest impact players in NFL history again anytime soon ??

If not maybe we need to strike while the iron is hot and trade the few stars we have for a truckload of picks and hope for the best
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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Mon Oct 02, 2023 10:07 pm

Texas Black & Gold wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 9:49 pm
Best case scenario for WHO? :roll:

No.
The best case scenario for fans is to have the Steelers (owners, managers, coaches, and players) get their collective heads out of their rear ends and get back to winning football.
Not happening on this current trajectory for at least several years
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Post by Professor Half Wit » Mon Oct 02, 2023 10:08 pm

tbsteel wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 9:51 pm
The actual best case scenario:

*Matt Canada is fired after we lose to the Ravens 24-3.

*Kenny Pickett gets arrested for sharing nudes with minors and is released by the team.

*The Steelers finish 3-14 with the #1 overall pick and draft Caleb Williams.

*Someone young with a brain is hired as OC and given complete autonomy to run the offense with no input from Tomlin with Tomlin's role in the offensive gameplan taken from him. Tomlin naturally hates that and begins angling for a move to TV after the 2024 season.

*The new OC is promoted to HC and works with Khan on remaking the team.
:lol:

Another sure shot TB heater.
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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Mon Oct 02, 2023 10:09 pm

tbsteel wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 9:51 pm
The actual best case scenario:

*Matt Canada is fired after we lose to the Ravens 24-3.

*Kenny Pickett gets arrested for sharing nudes with minors and is released by the team.

*The Steelers finish 3-14 with the #1 overall pick and draft Caleb Williams.

*Someone young with a brain is hired as OC and given complete autonomy to run the offense with no input from Tomlin with Tomlin's role in the offensive gameplan taken from him. Tomlin naturally hates that and begins angling for a move to TV after the 2024 season.

*The new OC is promoted to HC and works with Khan on remaking the team.
Canada won’t be fired mid-season. If the team finishes poorly I bet he gets “retired” lol at the end of the season
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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Mon Oct 02, 2023 10:33 pm

Wrong. The best case scenario is to force Tomlin out at the end of the season and let the new guy bring in some new coaches and ask for some new toys in the draft and then see what he can do with current toys and new toys next season.

Tomlin should not be fired, he should come to an agreement to move to the next chapter of his life. He may well go to another team and get another ring, but it is not happening in Pittsburgh…several members in the top of the organization clearly need a change of scenery.

New coach gets a pretty wide birth to adjust the DCs and OCs as he sees fit.

That is the best case scenario.

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Post by tbsteel » Mon Oct 02, 2023 10:42 pm

SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 10:09 pm
tbsteel wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 9:51 pm
The actual best case scenario:

*Matt Canada is fired after we lose to the Ravens 24-3.

*Kenny Pickett gets arrested for sharing nudes with minors and is released by the team.

*The Steelers finish 3-14 with the #1 overall pick and draft Caleb Williams.

*Someone young with a brain is hired as OC and given complete autonomy to run the offense with no input from Tomlin with Tomlin's role in the offensive gameplan taken from him. Tomlin naturally hates that and begins angling for a move to TV after the 2024 season.

*The new OC is promoted to HC and works with Khan on remaking the team.
Canada won’t be fired mid-season. If the team finishes poorly I bet he gets “retired” lol at the end of the season
If I had to bet my life on it, I'd agree with you.... but I think the outside noise is so loud in this situation that there's a real chance if he's not fired that his playcalling duties are removed.

Of course, knowing the Steelers, they'll eek out some ugly ass 16-13 win against Baltimore on Sunday and they won't be able to justify it.

I'm praying we get annihilated.

We need to bottom out so bad.
*roots for losses*

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Post by 955876 » Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:01 pm

Remember when these idiot coaches said we have too many NFL caliber bodies along the dline and will lose some quality players?

One injury and these stuffs can’t even come close to stopping the run.

What a joke.
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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:04 pm

tbsteel wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 10:42 pm
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 10:09 pm
tbsteel wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 9:51 pm
The actual best case scenario:

*Matt Canada is fired after we lose to the Ravens 24-3.

*Kenny Pickett gets arrested for sharing nudes with minors and is released by the team.

*The Steelers finish 3-14 with the #1 overall pick and draft Caleb Williams.

*Someone young with a brain is hired as OC and given complete autonomy to run the offense with no input from Tomlin with Tomlin's role in the offensive gameplan taken from him. Tomlin naturally hates that and begins angling for a move to TV after the 2024 season.

*The new OC is promoted to HC and works with Khan on remaking the team.
Canada won’t be fired mid-season. If the team finishes poorly I bet he gets “retired” lol at the end of the season
If I had to bet my life on it, I'd agree with you.... but I think the outside noise is so loud in this situation that there's a real chance if he's not fired that his playcalling duties are removed.

Of course, knowing the Steelers, they'll eek out some ugly ass 16-13 win against Baltimore on Sunday and they won't be able to justify it.

I'm praying we get annihilated.

We need to bottom out so bad.
I think Kenny is going on injury vacation and Watt is due for his yearly injury vacation soon as well

Can this team eek out some wins ?? Yeah but hopefully not

When a guy like Pickens starts getting openly angry about the team you can be sure he isn’t the only one
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Post by gojira5150 » Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:25 pm

Why isn't Bowers on your list. That dude is unreal. You can look at the TE from Texas as well. We need another highly touted TE. Bowers & Washington together again
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Post by Professor Half Wit » Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:28 pm

SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:04 pm
tbsteel wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 10:42 pm
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 10:09 pm


Canada won’t be fired mid-season. If the team finishes poorly I bet he gets “retired” lol at the end of the season
If I had to bet my life on it, I'd agree with you.... but I think the outside noise is so loud in this situation that there's a real chance if he's not fired that his playcalling duties are removed.

Of course, knowing the Steelers, they'll eek out some ugly ass 16-13 win against Baltimore on Sunday and they won't be able to justify it.

I'm praying we get annihilated.

We need to bottom out so bad.
I think Kenny is going on injury vacation and Watt is due for his yearly injury vacation soon as well

Can this team eek out some wins ?? Yeah but hopefully not

When a guy like Pickens starts getting openly angry about the team you can be sure he isn’t the only one
KP apparently only had a bone bruise. Back after bye.
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Post by K_C_ » Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:28 pm

The hilarious part is that absolutely none of this will take place.
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Post by K_C_ » Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:29 pm

gojira5150 wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:25 pm
Why isn't Bowers on your list. That dude is unreal. You can look at the TE from Texas as well. We need another highly touted TE. Bowers & Washington together again
What’s wrong with Freiermuth and the 7.3 40 he runs and all the drunken stumbling he does like Fry Daddy is full of Dewars?
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Post by W&M_Steeler » Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:37 pm

tbsteel wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 10:42 pm
If I had to bet my life on it, I'd agree with you.... but I think the outside noise is so loud in this situation that there's a real chance if he's not fired that his playcalling duties are removed.

Of course, knowing the Steelers, they'll eek out some ugly ass 16-13 win against Baltimore on Sunday and they won't be able to justify it.

I'm praying we get annihilated.

We need to bottom out so bad.


I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Steelers win this week. The Texans games felt like the classic Tomlin trap game- he was looking forward to the Ravens.

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Post by K_C_ » Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:45 pm

W&M_Steeler wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:37 pm
tbsteel wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 10:42 pm
If I had to bet my life on it, I'd agree with you.... but I think the outside noise is so loud in this situation that there's a real chance if he's not fired that his playcalling duties are removed.

Of course, knowing the Steelers, they'll eek out some ugly ass 16-13 win against Baltimore on Sunday and they won't be able to justify it.

I'm praying we get annihilated.

We need to bottom out so bad.


I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Steelers win this week. The Texans games felt like the classic Tomlin trap game- he was looking forward to the Ravens.
Last tiime Trubisky saw the Ravens, he replaced a concussed Kenny early in the game in Pittsburgh last year.

Mitch was an INT machine.

I'll be very surprised if the Steelers win this week. Lamar is playing well and he has some weapons now.

I know the Ravens are banged up, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if we end up seeing Mason before this one is over.

That o-line is a MESS.
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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:50 pm

gojira5150 wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:25 pm
Why isn't Bowers on your list. That dude is unreal. You can look at the TE from Texas as well. We need another highly touted TE. Bowers & Washington together again
Can’t draft everyone

Bowers will be a top 10 pick
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Post by gojira5150 » Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:54 pm

K_C_ wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:29 pm
gojira5150 wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:25 pm
Why isn't Bowers on your list. That dude is unreal. You can look at the TE from Texas as well. We need another highly touted TE. Bowers & Washington together again
What’s wrong with Freiermuth and the 7.3 40 he runs and all the drunken stumbling he does like Fry Daddy is full of Dewars?
We need a serious update at the TE position. We need a Kelce type and Bowers is the next big athletic TE that can exploit the middle of the field.
You are right, Fry Daddy stumbles all over his 2 left feet
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Post by gojira5150 » Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:57 pm

SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:50 pm
gojira5150 wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:25 pm
Why isn't Bowers on your list. That dude is unreal. You can look at the TE from Texas as well. We need another highly touted TE. Bowers & Washington together again
Can’t draft everyone

Bowers will be a top 10 pick
In your trades we get 3 number 1 picks. Use one on Bowers as a target for Caleb. I actually agree with your trade scenarios.
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Post by Steelperch » Tue Oct 03, 2023 12:05 am

No “Doories” this week, but STD blessed us with a 23 pick mock draft. Blessed.

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