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Connor Heyward

Post by Baltostiller » Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:31 pm

This dude is way too small to do what they are asking him to do. Tight ends are 6-4+ and 250 lbs minimum. He is at best a small fullback and I’d rather have Derek Watt than this midget.



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Post by Stillchest » Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:52 pm

Baltostiller wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:31 pm
This dude is way too small to do what they are asking him to do. Tight ends are 6-4+ and 250 lbs minimum. He is at best a small fullback and I’d rather have Derek Watt than this midget.
Yes, but do you know about his NFL bloodlines?

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Post by 955876 » Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:55 pm

This team constantly puts themselves behind the 8 ball with their personnel choices.

Heyward is a nice player on a loaded team.

But look at us now, Muth goes down and now neither Heyward nor Darnell “Outlier Talent” Washington are capable of filling his very mediocre shoes.

I knew releasing a JAG like Gentry would bite this team in the ass.

That’s how bad they are. Even when they cut a mediocre JAG he turns out to be better than what they have.

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Post by Professor Half Wit » Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:59 pm

This team’s problems are many and Connor ranks very near the bottom of them.

Next.
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Post by the-other-burg » Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:05 pm

he may be small, but is he "taken down on a shovel pass at the 3 yard line with no blockers" small?

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Post by 955876 » Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:26 pm

Professor Half Wit wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:59 pm
This team’s problems are many and Connor ranks very near the bottom of them.

Next.
Connor is a microcosm of the type of things that cause this team to have problems to begin with.

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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Tue Oct 31, 2023 12:04 am

955876 wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:55 pm
This team constantly puts themselves behind the 8 ball with their personnel choices.

Heyward is a nice player on a loaded team.

But look at us now, Muth goes down and now neither Heyward nor Darnell “Outlier Talent” Washington are capable of filling his very mediocre shoes.

I knew releasing a JAG like Gentry would bite this team in the ass.

That’s how bad they are. Even when they cut a mediocre JAG he turns out to be better than what they have.
Nailed it.

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Post by RemoAZ » Tue Oct 31, 2023 12:07 am

A better question is what's wrong with Washington? Why do we never see him involved in the passing game? Can he not learn the most vanilla playbook in the league? Has he sucked in practice? What's the deal?
Howard Griffith had to resort to chop-blocking him during the 1997 AFC Championship Game. An incredulous Kirkland asked Griffith, “Why do you have to use cheap tactics like chop-blocking?” Griffith replied “Why do you have to be a 300-pound linebacker?”

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Post by Orangesteel » Tue Oct 31, 2023 12:12 am

The biggest play we’ve had from a tight end this season was that one dude No. 87 is it Williams? chasing that blocked punt out of the endzone.

Muth is super average. Washington is a ghost. Heyward isn’t a TE. The future is bright 8-)
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Post by 955876 » Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:13 am

RemoAZ wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2023 12:07 am
A better question is what's wrong with Washington? Why do we never see him involved in the passing game? Can he not learn the most vanilla playbook in the league? Has he sucked in practice? What's the deal?
I dunno. Great question.

A kid with the type of outlier talent he has should certainly be able to run a 5 yard curl route, box out a smaller player, and catch an easy pass on 3rd & 4.

Guess not though.

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Post by Jobu » Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:23 am

955876 wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:13 am
RemoAZ wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2023 12:07 am
A better question is what's wrong with Washington? Why do we never see him involved in the passing game? Can he not learn the most vanilla playbook in the league? Has he sucked in practice? What's the deal?
I dunno. Great question.

A kid with the type of outlier talent he has should certainly be able to run a 5 yard curl route, box out a smaller player, and catch an easy pass on 3rd & 4.

Guess not though.
I blame Arians! :mrgreen:

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Post by franco32 » Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:30 am

Tomlin said Williams played instead of Darnell because they were behind. In other words, Darnell can't run routes or be involved in the passing game. Again, I don't know why this is a surprise. He's always looked terrible running routes. The FO just chose to ignore that. Washington is now essentially 4th string for key moments in the game.

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Post by Stosh-67 » Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:32 am

Knowing what we know of how the Steelers want to play football, play offense, run the ball and control the clock.....
Runs contrary to the logic of having Heyward on the field so many snaps.
49 of 67 - 73%
51 of 59 - 86% last week.....

And not being a noticeable factor in the run game, whether at TE, HB or FB.

Seems like they would be beget off with Darnfll and 87 as double TE for run game..

Or Broderick as Tackle eligible for run plays with better protection to run PA off that set with #77 instead of 83 as an ineffective blocker
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Post by Stosh-67 » Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:36 am

Add Robinson as another guy that is getting way to many snaps in relation to production or as an effective blocker.
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Post by RemoAZ » Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:40 am

franco32 wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:30 am
Tomlin said Williams played instead of Darnell because they were behind. In other words, Darnell can't run routes or be involved in the passing game. Again, I don't know why this is a surprise. He's always looked terrible running routes. The FO just chose to ignore that. Washington is now essentially 4th string for key moments in the game.
They don't have a coach that can teach him a few routes? I mean the team only runs a handful of plays. How can they not teach him to at least be a threat on short yardage and/or in the red zone? Again, I question the lack of coaching on this team. It's blatant at every position.
Howard Griffith had to resort to chop-blocking him during the 1997 AFC Championship Game. An incredulous Kirkland asked Griffith, “Why do you have to use cheap tactics like chop-blocking?” Griffith replied “Why do you have to be a 300-pound linebacker?”

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Post by 955876 » Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:02 am

franco32 wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:30 am
Tomlin said Williams played instead of Darnell because they were behind. In other words, Darnell can't run routes or be involved in the passing game. Again, I don't know why this is a surprise. He's always looked terrible running routes. The FO just chose to ignore that. Washington is now essentially 4th string for key moments in the game.
Let this be Exhibit A for when the village idiot returns and doubles down about how this kid’s outlier talent was worthy of a top 5 pick.


I wish it was because I was genuinely excited about the kid based on the ball washing that was taking place here.
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Post by 955876 » Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:04 am

RemoAZ wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:40 am
franco32 wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:30 am
Tomlin said Williams played instead of Darnell because they were behind. In other words, Darnell can't run routes or be involved in the passing game. Again, I don't know why this is a surprise. He's always looked terrible running routes. The FO just chose to ignore that. Washington is now essentially 4th string for key moments in the game.
They don't have a coach that can teach him a few routes? I mean the team only runs a handful of plays. How can they not teach him to at least be a threat on short yardage and/or in the red zone? Again, I question the lack of coaching on this team. It's blatant at every position.
This too.

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Post by ToddHaleysNineIron » Tue Oct 31, 2023 12:05 pm

It's not that they have Heyward... its' that they feature him.
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Post by jebrick » Tue Oct 31, 2023 12:25 pm

RemoAZ wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:40 am
franco32 wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:30 am
Tomlin said Williams played instead of Darnell because they were behind. In other words, Darnell can't run routes or be involved in the passing game. Again, I don't know why this is a surprise. He's always looked terrible running routes. The FO just chose to ignore that. Washington is now essentially 4th string for key moments in the game.
They don't have a coach that can teach him a few routes? I mean the team only runs a handful of plays. How can they not teach him to at least be a threat on short yardage and/or in the red zone? Again, I question the lack of coaching on this team. It's blatant at every position.
They might teach him routes but he runs them so slowly that it is not worth the time. I am surprised he is not used on the goalline more but the Steelers are so rarely there I can see as one reason.
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Post by Stillchest » Tue Oct 31, 2023 12:27 pm

Stosh-67 wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:36 am
Add Robinson as another guy that is getting way to many snaps in relation to production or as an effective blocker.
Exactly.

Similar to Gentry and Gunnar getting too many snaps, the opposing D said, “thank you, very much.”

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Post by Stillchest » Tue Oct 31, 2023 12:28 pm

jebrick wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2023 12:25 pm
RemoAZ wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:40 am
franco32 wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:30 am
Tomlin said Williams played instead of Darnell because they were behind. In other words, Darnell can't run routes or be involved in the passing game. Again, I don't know why this is a surprise. He's always looked terrible running routes. The FO just chose to ignore that. Washington is now essentially 4th string for key moments in the game.
They don't have a coach that can teach him a few routes? I mean the team only runs a handful of plays. How can they not teach him to at least be a threat on short yardage and/or in the red zone? Again, I question the lack of coaching on this team. It's blatant at every position.
They might teach him routes but he runs them so slowly that it is not worth the time. I am surprised he is not used on the goalline more but the Steelers are so rarely there I can see as one reason.
You didn’t enjoy that shuffle pass to him, inside the five yard line?

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Post by SteelPro » Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:23 pm

Stillchest wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2023 12:28 pm
jebrick wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2023 12:25 pm
RemoAZ wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:40 am


They don't have a coach that can teach him a few routes? I mean the team only runs a handful of plays. How can they not teach him to at least be a threat on short yardage and/or in the red zone? Again, I question the lack of coaching on this team. It's blatant at every position.
They might teach him routes but he runs them so slowly that it is not worth the time. I am surprised he is not used on the goalline more but the Steelers are so rarely there I can see as one reason.
You didn’t enjoy that shuffle pass to him, inside the five yard line?
I'm torn over that play. On one hand, yeah it was ugly and didn't work. On the other hand at least it wasn't a jet sweep.
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