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tbsteel wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:59 pm

The Steelers have scored 97 points on offense this year in 7 games. 13.85 points per game. The only team worse is the 2-6 New York Giants, who have been playing with a backup QB the past three weeks, now having to go with a third string QB after Tyrod Taylor got hurt, and undoubtedly will have their head coach and staff let go after this season.

The 2019 Duck Hodges/Mason Rudolph led Steelers scored (after taking out defensive scores) 16.75 points a game. We're officially worse on offense than the Quack Attack. It's the worst scoring offense in Pittsburgh since 1970, Bradshaw's first year after the '69 team went 1-13 back when teams often filled out their rosters with various farm animals. I'm not even getting into the streak of games without 400 yards, which is embarrassing enough. If this isn't the bottom, I don't want to see what is.

My question is simple: why isn't there even a hint of change? With anything on offense?

From my count, we go into TNF with our depth chart completely unchanged from where it was before the season started.

For our starting QB, who is averaging less TD passes per passing attempt than Ryan Leaf, Brady Quinn, and Chris Weinke, fourth worst in the SB era, is there any real criticism other than "man, he could've hit that one throw" or "hey, he should've hung in the pocket there." Scathing stuff, right? Pickett averages a TD on 2.1% of his throws, with only Akili Smith, Kelly Stouffer, and Gary Huff worse in the SB era (thanks to B2B). You know what happened to those three other guys and their careers? Well... let's just say it didn't work out and they didn't last long. I know we're going to hold out hope, but Pickett would have to be some historical outlier to actually work out as a legitimate pro QB at this point. If we're being objective and looking at a pretty solid sample size at this point compared to historical peers, he is and will be a failed pick and a failed player. Would it kill this offense to tell him to take a seat and watch from the sidelines for a game or two while giving Mitch or Mason a full week of practice and work up?

For our starting RB, who is averaging a career low 3.7 yards a carry, who is still indecisive and slow in whatever he's trying to do, who doesn't look like he has gotten any better, his job and role on this team remains safe and secure from what I've seen. Jaylen Warren is a UDFA who has arguably outperformed him the past two years now. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of UDFAs out there at home now hungry for just one chance to prove themselves that can come in and perform better.

Our starting center, who has been an abject failure this year, having the worst season of a muddy career to begin with, who consistently tosses soft lobs at the feet of the QB before getting plowed over, is there even a whiff he should get demoted? Any hint at all? How about Dan Moore, who on his best day is fine, but just consistently doesn't get the job done and hardly ever makes any key blocks in the ground game. Does he dare take a seat on the bench? Chucks? Don't think you should be safe either. We were supposed to have this great depth on the OL, but we keep trotting out the same five guys expecting something to magically change. Why? And look, I get that DJ and Pickens are 1a and 1b, but can we not get some other guys in there at some point rotating in with the rest of the group? Why is Allen Robinson's spot secure again? Is that guy beating coverage and getting open? Is he earning the 46 snaps on offense he had on Sunday?

And it goes without saying now, but it appears Matt Canada is safe and sound until the end of the year now, despite the weekly embarrassment of constant three and outs that just keep stacking up and more chants for his firing. Where are the changes in attempting to fix the offense? It looked like his big reveal this past week was bringing in Broderick Jones as an extra tackle. Excuse me while the rest of the NFL falls to their collective knees begging for mercy. What are we trying to do different? I'm not seeing any visible or significant changes to the game plan.

What the Steelers are doing now is completely senseless. It is indefensible. And the worst part of all is that it feels like any heat on the offense is as mild as a warm glass of milk. The players and coaches on offense should be going into every game like their career is on the absolute line. And instead, it just feels and looks like they're just happily content and that it all appears copacetic. Why worry? They're 4-3, right?

They have to start making significant changes to the players they're putting on the field and the overall game plan on offense. And if not? Then those decision-makers simply don't deserve to keep their jobs. The NFL is a tough racket, and this offense that has been as historically awful. Not mediocre, not pedestrian, I mean historically awful. The time for excuses is over. Changes need to be made ASAP.

SteelerDayTrader wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:05 pm

Are you new here ??

lifelongsteel wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:12 pm

The Steelers don’t think there is an issue with the roster.

They believe is all failed execution by the players.

Their solution is to continue emphasizing execution.

Until they bottom out for multiple seasons, it’s doubtful we see any change of substance.

Jobu wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:12 pm

Change???
As long as this team keeps its head above water and Tomlin has them “in contention”, A2 is as happy as a puppy with two peters. So we should all accept that and be glad that ole Shades is our head coach. Life is good!

lifelongsteel wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:39 pm

Jobu wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:12 pm

Change???
As long as this team keeps its head above water and Tomlin has them “in contention”, A2 is as happy as a puppy with two peters. So we should all accept that and be glad that ole Shades is our head coach. Life is good!

This seems to be the consensus on Fury . . . that the steelers brass is happy with being in contention, playing ugly, sloppy football and winning via some 4th quarter miracle.

I'm sorry to say, but it's worse. I believe they do want to be a dominant team. I don't believe they are happy with NHALS.

But . . . They. Just. Don't. Know. How. To do it.

So they take comfort in the Steeler way. They take solace in NHALS. They believe the media fairy tale of Tomlin as an elite coach. One day the pain will be too much. They will be forced to act. But today, sadly, is not that day.

And I of course will root for the 13-12 win. I will follow 9 games on the final sunday of the year, knowing that if all 9 go the Steelers way they can grab the 7 seed and lose by 40 to the dolphins. one of these days I'll learn, and root for the 1-16 season that probably needs to happen to get the reboot that is sorely needed. But today, sadly, is not that day either.

tbsteel wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:59 pm

For our starting QB, who is averaging less TD passes per passing attempt than Ryan Leaf, Brady Quinn, and Chris Weinke, fourth worst in the SB era, is there any real criticism other than "man, he could've hit that one throw" or "hey, he should've hung in the pocket there." Scathing stuff, right? Pickett averages a TD on 2.1% of his throws, with only Akili Smith, Kelly Stouffer, and Gary Huff worse in the SB era (thanks to B2B). You know what happened to those three other guys and their careers? Well... let's just say it didn't work out and they didn't last long. I know we're going to hold out hope, but Pickett would have to be some historical outlier to actually work out as a legitimate pro QB at this point. If we're being objective and looking at a pretty solid sample size at this point compared to historical peers, he is and will be a failed pick and a failed player.

bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:41 pm

tbsteel wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:59 pm

For our starting QB, who is averaging less TD passes per passing attempt than Ryan Leaf, Brady Quinn, and Chris Weinke, fourth worst in the SB era, is there any real criticism other than "man, he could've hit that one throw" or "hey, he should've hung in the pocket there." Scathing stuff, right? Pickett averages a TD on 2.1% of his throws, with only Akili Smith, Kelly Stouffer, and Gary Huff worse in the SB era (thanks to B2B). You know what happened to those three other guys and their careers? Well... let's just say it didn't work out and they didn't last long. I know we're going to hold out hope, but Pickett would have to be some historical outlier to actually work out as a legitimate pro QB at this point. If we're being objective and looking at a pretty solid sample size at this point compared to historical peers, he is and will be a failed pick and a failed player.

Actually, KP is now only 3 passing attempts without a TD from "passing" Gary Huff to become 3rd-worst all time.

And the Steelers offense now has the second longest streak of <400yd games in the 2000s.

We're going places!

955876 wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:17 pm

There is more than offensive production and championships.

For me, I don’t evaluate this team on those metrics. In fact, I don’t really evaluate them in terms of performance based aspects at all.

I look bigger picture. And what I see is a franchise that’s only had 3 HC’s in 54 years, has a current HC that excels in elevating young men while being a master wordsmiff, and on occasion makes it to the playoffs where they serve as fluffer to the legitimate playoff contenders.

And that’s good enough. Besides, each year we can add to the only had 3 head coaches in X number and of years stat is like a playoff victory.

That’s how important that metric is.

tbsteel wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:59 pm

The Steelers have scored 97 points on offense this year in 7 games. 13.85 points per game. The only team worse is the 2-6 New York Giants, who have been playing with a backup QB the past three weeks, now having to go with a third string QB after Tyrod Taylor got hurt, and undoubtedly will have their head coach and staff let go after this season.

The 2019 Duck Hodges/Mason Rudolph led Steelers scored (after taking out defensive scores) 16.75 points a game. We're officially worse on offense than the Quack Attack. It's the worst scoring offense in Pittsburgh since 1970, Bradshaw's first year after the '69 team went 1-13 back when teams often filled out their rosters with various farm animals. I'm not even getting into the streak of games without 400 yards, which is embarrassing enough. If this isn't the bottom, I don't want to see what is.

My question is simple: why isn't there even a hint of change? With anything on offense?

From my count, we go into TNF with our depth chart completely unchanged from where it was before the season started.

For our starting QB, who is averaging less TD passes per passing attempt than Ryan Leaf, Brady Quinn, and Chris Weinke, fourth worst in the SB era, is there any real criticism other than "man, he could've hit that one throw" or "hey, he should've hung in the pocket there." Scathing stuff, right? Pickett averages a TD on 2.1% of his throws, with only Akili Smith, Kelly Stouffer, and Gary Huff worse in the SB era (thanks to B2B). You know what happened to those three other guys and their careers? Well... let's just say it didn't work out and they didn't last long. I know we're going to hold out hope, but Pickett would have to be some historical outlier to actually work out as a legitimate pro QB at this point. If we're being objective and looking at a pretty solid sample size at this point compared to historical peers, he is and will be a failed pick and a failed player. Would it kill this offense to tell him to take a seat and watch from the sidelines for a game or two while giving Mitch or Mason a full week of practice and work up?

For our starting RB, who is averaging a career low 3.7 yards a carry, who is still indecisive and slow in whatever he's trying to do, who doesn't look like he has gotten any better, his job and role on this team remains safe and secure from what I've seen. Jaylen Warren is a UDFA who has arguably outperformed him the past two years now. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of UDFAs out there at home now hungry for just one chance to prove themselves that can come in and perform better.

Our starting center, who has been an abject failure this year, having the worst season of a muddy career to begin with, who consistently tosses soft lobs at the feet of the QB before getting plowed over, is there even a whiff he should get demoted? Any hint at all? How about Dan Moore, who on his best day is fine, but just consistently doesn't get the job done and hardly ever makes any key blocks in the ground game. Does he dare take a seat on the bench? Chucks? Don't think you should be safe either. We were supposed to have this great depth on the OL, but we keep trotting out the same five guys expecting something to magically change. Why? And look, I get that DJ and Pickens are 1a and 1b, but can we not get some other guys in there at some point rotating in with the rest of the group? Why is Allen Robinson's spot secure again? Is that guy beating coverage and getting open? Is he earning the 46 snaps on offense he had on Sunday?

And it goes without saying now, but it appears Matt Canada is safe and sound until the end of the year now, despite the weekly embarrassment of constant three and outs that just keep stacking up and more chants for his firing. Where are the changes in attempting to fix the offense? It looked like his big reveal this past week was bringing in Broderick Jones as an extra tackle. Excuse me while the rest of the NFL falls to their collective knees begging for mercy. What are we trying to do different? I'm not seeing any visible or significant changes to the game plan.

What the Steelers are doing now is completely senseless. It is indefensible. And the worst part of all is that it feels like any heat on the offense is as mild as a warm glass of milk. The players and coaches on offense should be going into every game like their career is on the absolute line. And instead, it just feels and looks like they're just happily content and that it all appears copacetic. Why worry? They're 4-3, right?

They have to start making significant changes to the players they're putting on the field and the overall game plan on offense. And if not? Then those decision-makers simply don't deserve to keep their jobs. The NFL is a tough racket, and this offense that has been as historically awful. Not mediocre, not pedestrian, I mean historically awful. The time for excuses is over. Changes need to be made ASAP.

SteelerDayTrader wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:05 pm

Are you new here ??

I heard a stat today that said we are getting close to breaking the record for most consecutive games less than 400 yards. It’s at 30 something currently and will be an nfl Super Bowl era record previously held by a raider team. Still no change.

CKSteeler wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 31, 2023 12:31 am

I don't even know how people are worked up about anything at this point. Did you actually have expectations for a Kenny Pickett QB'ed, Mike Tomlin coached Steelers team?

For our starting RB, who is averaging a career low 3.7 yards a carry, who is still indecisive and slow in whatever he's trying to do, who doesn't look like he has gotten any better, his job and role on this team remains safe and secure from what I've seen. Jaylen Warren is a UDFA who has arguably outperformed him the past two years now. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of UDFAs out there at home now hungry for just one chance to prove themselves that can come in and perform better.