Kenny Pickett Is Among All-Time Leaders In One Key Stat

[bradshaw2ben]

He's 4th in the Super Bowl Era for the fewest TD passes as a percent of attempts in at least a season's worth of starts.

Canada? OL? HC? Receivers? WTF knows but what Pickett is doing is all the more remarkable because his play has largely been in wins. Look at the names! I mean the fact that he's still afloat and they can win with the rarity of TDs is like nothing that's ever come before. If he has 28 more attempts without a TD, he will drop below 2%. No one has ever had that few in 19 starts.

[daikyu]

Never good to be in the same QB categories as:
Akili Smith
Ryan Leaf
Matt Leinert

I have not given up on Kenny yet. I expected more of a step forward at this point but he is facing some serious handicaps.

[bradshaw2ben]

I'm not even saying this post is a reason to give up on him, just saying it's kind of mind-boggling. He needs 6 more TDs in his next 97 attempts... to equal JaMarcus Russell!

[Jobu]

I'm not even saying this post is a reason to give up on him, just saying it's kind of mind-boggling. He needs 6 more TDs in his next 97 attempts... to equal JaMarcus Russell!

Ouch!

[Deebo]

A really good defense will take you far in this league.

Those QB's on the list...I'm guessing none of them had a top 5 defense

[Stosh-67]

there is something to say about that list..

1. he and zach wilson are the only ones still active....
2. every person on that list has more career INTS than TD's......

Wonder if he has the best career record from that list?

I am still of the thought that there is so much to this offense, coaching staff, philosophy, game plan, play calling, etc.....
on top of in game play calling, lack of surprise, lack of motion, u shaped offense, etc.......

That is making it very difficult for Kenny to excel.

[bradshaw2ben]

there is something to say about that list..

1. he and zach wilson are the only ones still active....
2. every person on that list has more career INTS than TD's......

Wonder if he has the best career record from that list?

I am still of the thought that there is so much to this offense, coaching staff, philosophy, game plan, play calling, etc.....
on top of in game play calling, lack of surprise, lack of motion, u shaped offense, etc.......

That is making it very difficult for Kenny to excel.

Kenny is the only QB in the bottom 35 who has a winning record and the only QB under 3% with a winning record. In the entire Super Bowl era. Taysom Hill (3.0%) is 7-2 as a starter, and he's the next one down the list.

[SteelerDayTrader]

there is something to say about that list..

1. he and zach wilson are the only ones still active....
2. every person on that list has more career INTS than TD's......

Wonder if he has the best career record from that list?

I am still of the thought that there is so much to this offense, coaching staff, philosophy, game plan, play calling, etc.....
on top of in game play calling, lack of surprise, lack of motion, u shaped offense, etc.......

That is making it very difficult for Kenny to excel.

But again that cuts both ways

Kenny is making it difficult for the offense to excel

[Ice]

Telling you, just start paying attention in the 4th quarter and this is a fun, entertaining team to watch most weekends. This, by the way, covers not only KP's career to this point, but also the last couple or three seasons of Ben's.

[LakecrestSteeler]

He's 4th in the Super Bowl Era for the fewest TD passes as a percent of attempts in at least a season's worth of starts.

Canada? OL? HC? Receivers? WTF knows but what Pickett is doing is all the more remarkable because his play has largely been in wins. Look at the names! I mean the fact that he's still afloat and they can win with the rarity of TDs is like nothing that's ever come before. If he has 28 more attempts without a TD, he will drop below 2%. No one has ever had that few in 19 starts.

How did 3 QBs get to above 50 games played, assuming GS means games? Rick Mirer was at 68 games…talk about dedication!

[Ice]

Mirer bounced around for some added starts with other teams, and he also played in the era where teams still held on to their high first round QBs like Charlton Heston held onto his firearms.

If Brad had been a 1st overall QB in 2023 and struggled the way he did to start his career, I'm not sure how many teams would have had the patience to see him through them. Kinda think maybe the reason he seems to have warmed to KP more than he did to Ben (at least publicly) is he identifies with the struggles early more than he did with Ben's turnkey success.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Mirer bounced around for some added starts with other teams, and he also played in the era where teams still held on to their high first round QBs like Charlton Heston held onto his firearms.

Angrily as an eternally lacking substitute healthy manhood ??

[Ice]

Mirer bounced around for some added starts with other teams, and he also played in the era where teams still held on to their high first round QBs like Charlton Heston held onto his firearms.

Angrily as an eternally lacking substitute healthy manhood ??

I was more thinking about the "cold, dead hands" line, but yours works, too!

[LakecrestSteeler]

Mirer bounced around for some added starts with other teams, and he also played in the era where teams still held on to their high first round QBs like Charlton Heston held onto his firearms.

If Brad had been a 1st overall QB in 2023 and struggled the way he did to start his career, I'm not sure how many teams would have had the patience to see him through them. Kinda think maybe the reason he seems to have warmed to KP more than he did to Ben (at least publicly) is he identifies with the struggles early more than he did with Ben's turnkey success.

Basically pre-ubiquitous internet too? Maybe if they had all the stat websites back in the late 90’s they would have given him the hook sooner.

Funny tie in with Bettis….they shared rookie of the year honors.

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Per wiki:
Mirer was selected with the second overall pick in the 1993 NFL Draft by the Seattle Seahawks.[3] He signed a five-year, $15 million contract. In his rookie year under head coach Tom Flores, he set NFL rookie records for attempts, completions, and yards. In 1993 Rick became only the 3rd rookie quarterback since 1970 to start all of his team's games. He finished his rookie season fifth in the AFC with 274 completions and 2833 yards. He also shared the offensive rookie of the year with his former backfield teammate from Notre Dame, Jerome Bettis. Those rookie records were eventually broken by Andrew Luck.

On February 18, 1997, Mirer was traded with a fourth round pick in the 1997 NFL Draft to the Chicago Bears for their first round draft pick, later packaged in a trade to the Atlanta Falcons to move up to 3rd overall that year to select Shawn Springs. Mirer signed a three-year, $11.4 million contract with the Bears, but played only seven games with three starts in the 1997 season.

Mirer requested to be released by the Bears in the beginning of the 1998 season and signed with the Green Bay Packers.[4] Mirer never played a down for Green Bay, which was led by Brett Favre, and was later traded to the New York Jets in 1999 where he replaced an injured Vinny Testaverde as the Jets starter. In 2000, he was signed by the San Francisco 49ers to compete with Jeff Garcia.[1] In 2002, Mirer became the a backup for the Oakland Raiders and became the starter for part of 2003. In 2004. Mirer was signed by the Detroit Lions, but saw no playing time. Mirer had a 63.5 passer rating, 11,969 passing yards, and 50 touchdown passes before he retired in 2004. Although playing for several teams that did make the playoffs during his career, Mirer never played a single down in the postseason.

[Pabst]

Also of note when comparing KP to the other QB's on this list:

- Highest completion %
- Lowest INT%
- Highest QBR
- 5th lowest sack %
- 4th in Y/A and 1st in Any/A
- 1st in Yards/Game
- One of 4 on this list to not throw a pick 6


Apparently that site requires a subscription, which is annoying.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Also of note when comparing KP to the other QB's on this list:

- Highest completion %
- Lowest INT%
- Highest QBR
- 5th lowest sack %
- 4th in Y/A and 1st in Any/A
- 1st in Yards/Game
- One of 4 on this list to not throw a pick 6


Apparently that site requires a subscription, which is annoying.

Meaningless

The ENTIRE list is a parade of career chumpertons

[bradshaw2ben]

Only for the sorting and player comparisons. The data for each player/team is free

[bradshaw2ben]

Also of note when comparing KP to the other QB's on this list:

- Highest completion % A function of him being the most modern era QB on this list... look at Zach Wilson
- Lowest INT% I think its connected to the low TD number. He's taking almost zero risks
- Highest QBR another stat that favors modern style of play
- 5th lowest sack %
- 4th in Y/A and 1st in Any/A Any/A is a function of not taking sacks, so that's good. His YPA is not as bad as the TD stat, for sure. Thank god for those backshoulders to Pickens on the sideline
- 1st in Yards/Game
- One of 4 on this list to not throw a pick 6 hey, it's the little things


Apparently that site requires a subscription, which is annoying.

[zeke5123]

Also of note when comparing KP to the other QB's on this list:

- Highest completion %
- Lowest INT%
- Highest QBR
- 5th lowest sack %
- 4th in Y/A and 1st in Any/A
- 1st in Yards/Game
- One of 4 on this list to not throw a pick 6


Apparently that site requires a subscription, which is annoying.

Of course, the game has changed. There is more passing and more passes that are easy to complete. So you will see higher pass completion rate and more yards in a game. Likewise, less sacks as passes are quicker. Similarly, interceptions rates have generally decreased over time.

[Pabst]

Also of note when comparing KP to the other QB's on this list:

- Highest completion %
- Lowest INT%
- Highest QBR
- 5th lowest sack %
- 4th in Y/A and 1st in Any/A
- 1st in Yards/Game
- One of 4 on this list to not throw a pick 6


Apparently that site requires a subscription, which is annoying.

Of course, the game has changed. There is more passing and more passes that are easy to complete. So you will see higher pass completion rate and more yards in a game. Likewise, less sacks as passes are quicker. Similarly, interceptions rates have generally decreased over time.

Very true!

However.....

In Ben's one and only season in Canada's offense his TD% was a career low 3.6%
Mitch Trubisky has a barely-better-than-Pickett 2.2%
Mason Rudolph, in his limited action, is at 1.7%

There's a common thread here.

[bradshaw2ben]

Michael Pettway Tomlin

who doesn't live in his fears, except he does

[Pabst]

Maybe worth noting....

[zeke5123]

Maybe worth noting....

Of course, Lawrence is still younger than Pickett...

[Pabst]

Maybe worth noting....

Of course, Lawrence is still younger than Pickett...

That's true. Point remains, however - had you run this stat at the same point in TL's career he'd look even worse than Pickett.

Don't mean to beat this into the ground, but it seems like the difference between "this guy is a victim of circumstance" vs "this guy sucks" boils down 100% to whether/not certain posters were fans in the draft.

[TTP]

Also of note when comparing KP to the other QB's on this list:

- Highest completion %
- Lowest INT%
- Highest QBR
- 5th lowest sack %
- 4th in Y/A and 1st in Any/A
- 1st in Yards/Game
- One of 4 on this list to not throw a pick 6


Apparently that site requires a subscription, which is annoying.

Of course, the game has changed. There is more passing and more passes that are easy to complete. So you will see higher pass completion rate and more yards in a game. Likewise, less sacks as passes are quicker. Similarly, interceptions rates have generally decreased over time.

This is true. You can't really compare Pickett to QBs from prior era's without properly adjusting for the norms of those eras.

To be fair, Kenny is in the top 12 this year in avoiding negative plays - interceptions, fumbles and sacks. This is how they want him to play, I think. The best QBs, however, are able to avoid negative plays while also creating lots of positive plays. So far, Kenny has not show that kind of ability consistently, except in the 4th quarter of a handful of games.

[Ice]

Mirer bounced around for some added starts with other teams, and he also played in the era where teams still held on to their high first round QBs like Charlton Heston held onto his firearms.

If Brad had been a 1st overall QB in 2023 and struggled the way he did to start his career, I'm not sure how many teams would have had the patience to see him through them. Kinda think maybe the reason he seems to have warmed to KP more than he did to Ben (at least publicly) is he identifies with the struggles early more than he did with Ben's turnkey success.

Basically pre-ubiquitous internet too? Maybe if they had all the stat websites back in the late 90’s they would have given him the hook sooner.

Funny tie in with Bettis….they shared rookie of the year honors.

___________


Per wiki:
Mirer was selected with the second overall pick in the 1993 NFL Draft by the Seattle Seahawks.[3] He signed a five-year, $15 million contract. In his rookie year under head coach Tom Flores, he set NFL rookie records for attempts, completions, and yards. In 1993 Rick became only the 3rd rookie quarterback since 1970 to start all of his team's games. He finished his rookie season fifth in the AFC with 274 completions and 2833 yards. He also shared the offensive rookie of the year with his former backfield teammate from Notre Dame, Jerome Bettis. Those rookie records were eventually broken by Andrew Luck.

On February 18, 1997, Mirer was traded with a fourth round pick in the 1997 NFL Draft to the Chicago Bears for their first round draft pick, later packaged in a trade to the Atlanta Falcons to move up to 3rd overall that year to select Shawn Springs. Mirer signed a three-year, $11.4 million contract with the Bears, but played only seven games with three starts in the 1997 season.

Mirer requested to be released by the Bears in the beginning of the 1998 season and signed with the Green Bay Packers.[4] Mirer never played a down for Green Bay, which was led by Brett Favre, and was later traded to the New York Jets in 1999 where he replaced an injured Vinny Testaverde as the Jets starter. In 2000, he was signed by the San Francisco 49ers to compete with Jeff Garcia.[1] In 2002, Mirer became the a backup for the Oakland Raiders and became the starter for part of 2003. In 2004. Mirer was signed by the Detroit Lions, but saw no playing time. Mirer had a 63.5 passer rating, 11,969 passing yards, and 50 touchdown passes before he retired in 2004. Although playing for several teams that did make the playoffs during his career, Mirer never played a single down in the postseason.

And were both part of probably the last really good ND team, maybe ever. That was a seriously loaded Irish squad.

[Smashmouth21]

Some of you kill me. Watch the tape and stop harping on meaningless stats. KP8 played well last week. Stood tall in the pocket, took shots (pocket was not clean) and delivered big time throws (i.e., not bubble screens or short RAC balls). So what that the Steelers punched in TDs with runs? KP8 has the clutch gene too, which was basically Ben’s calling card until years into his career (game manager was his media calling card for quite some time). You want to cite key stats then look at the fourth quarter play and late game heroics. Dude just has “it.”

[zeke5123]

Some of you kill me. Watch the tape and stop harping on meaningless stats. KP8 played well last week. Stood tall in the pocket, took shots (pocket was not clean) and delivered big time throws (i.e., not bubble screens or short RAC balls). So what that the Steelers punched in TDs with runs? KP8 has the clutch gene too, which was basically Ben’s calling card until years into his career (game manager was his media calling card for quite some time). You want to cite key stats then look at the fourth quarter play and late game heroics. Dude just has “it.”

KP did play an excellent second half (first half sucked). The list of guys who sucked and then put some things together in the clutch is actually a little bit longer than you think. They never really won anything. You need a guy who can be good in both the first and fourth quarters. This single minded obsession on late game heroics is so misguided.

[jmacinwbp]

Some of you kill me. Watch the tape and stop harping on meaningless stats. KP8 played well last week. Stood tall in the pocket, took shots (pocket was not clean) and delivered big time throws (i.e., not bubble screens or short RAC balls). So what that the Steelers punched in TDs with runs? KP8 has the clutch gene too, which was basically Ben’s calling card until years into his career (game manager was his media calling card for quite some time). You want to cite key stats then look at the fourth quarter play and late game heroics. Dude just has “it.”

KP did play an excellent second half (first half sucked). The list of guys who sucked and then put some things together in the clutch is actually a little bit longer than you think. They never really won anything. You need a guy who can be good in both the first and fourth quarters. This single minded obsession on late game heroics is so misguided.

"The list of guys who sucked and then put some things together in the clutch is actually a little bit longer than you think."

How long is that list of who did it six or more times, along with getting a cum from behind 4th quarter win in them, during their first 18 games played?

Not saying you are a stats only, no context guy, but some of us think those with that POV are even more misguided.

[bradshaw2ben]

Some of you kill me. Watch the tape and stop harping on meaningless stats. KP8 played well last week. Stood tall in the pocket, took shots (pocket was not clean) and delivered big time throws (i.e., not bubble screens or short RAC balls). So what that the Steelers punched in TDs with runs? KP8 has the clutch gene too, which was basically Ben’s calling card until years into his career (game manager was his media calling card for quite some time). You want to cite key stats then look at the fourth quarter play and late game heroics. Dude just has “it.”

KP did play an excellent second half (first half sucked). The list of guys who sucked and then put some things together in the clutch is actually a little bit longer than you think. They never really won anything. You need a guy who can be good in both the first and fourth quarters. This single minded obsession on late game heroics is so misguided.

"The list of guys who sucked and then put some things together in the clutch is actually a little bit longer than you think."

How long is that list of who did it six or more times, along with getting a cum from behind 4th quarter win in them, during their first 18 games played?

Not saying you are a stats only, no context guy, but some of us think those with that POV are even more misguided.

Uh, you might enjoy the list of the guys who have done it, starting with Tim Tebow, who did it in two fewer games.