When will there be any changes on offense? Where is the heat?

[tbsteel]

The Steelers have scored 97 points on offense this year in 7 games. 13.85 points per game. The only team worse is the 2-6 New York Giants, who have been playing with a backup QB the past three weeks, now having to go with a third string QB after Tyrod Taylor got hurt, and undoubtedly will have their head coach and staff let go after this season.

The 2019 Duck Hodges/Mason Rudolph led Steelers scored (after taking out defensive scores) 16.75 points a game. We're officially worse on offense than the Quack Attack. It's the worst scoring offense in Pittsburgh since 1970, Bradshaw's first year after the '69 team went 1-13 back when teams often filled out their rosters with various farm animals. I'm not even getting into the streak of games without 400 yards, which is embarrassing enough. If this isn't the bottom, I don't want to see what is.

My question is simple: why isn't there even a hint of change? With anything on offense?

From my count, we go into TNF with our depth chart completely unchanged from where it was before the season started.

For our starting QB, who is averaging less TD passes per passing attempt than Ryan Leaf, Brady Quinn, and Chris Weinke, fourth worst in the SB era, is there any real criticism other than "man, he could've hit that one throw" or "hey, he should've hung in the pocket there." Scathing stuff, right? Pickett averages a TD on 2.1% of his throws, with only Akili Smith, Kelly Stouffer, and Gary Huff worse in the SB era (thanks to B2B). You know what happened to those three other guys and their careers? Well... let's just say it didn't work out and they didn't last long. I know we're going to hold out hope, but Pickett would have to be some historical outlier to actually work out as a legitimate pro QB at this point. If we're being objective and looking at a pretty solid sample size at this point compared to historical peers, he is and will be a failed pick and a failed player. Would it kill this offense to tell him to take a seat and watch from the sidelines for a game or two while giving Mitch or Mason a full week of practice and work up?

For our starting RB, who is averaging a career low 3.7 yards a carry, who is still indecisive and slow in whatever he's trying to do, who doesn't look like he has gotten any better, his job and role on this team remains safe and secure from what I've seen. Jaylen Warren is a UDFA who has arguably outperformed him the past two years now. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of UDFAs out there at home now hungry for just one chance to prove themselves that can come in and perform better.

Our starting center, who has been an abject failure this year, having the worst season of a muddy career to begin with, who consistently tosses soft lobs at the feet of the QB before getting plowed over, is there even a whiff he should get demoted? Any hint at all? How about Dan Moore, who on his best day is fine, but just consistently doesn't get the job done and hardly ever makes any key blocks in the ground game. Does he dare take a seat on the bench? Chucks? Don't think you should be safe either. We were supposed to have this great depth on the OL, but we keep trotting out the same five guys expecting something to magically change. Why? And look, I get that DJ and Pickens are 1a and 1b, but can we not get some other guys in there at some point rotating in with the rest of the group? Why is Allen Robinson's spot secure again? Is that guy beating coverage and getting open? Is he earning the 46 snaps on offense he had on Sunday?

And it goes without saying now, but it appears Matt Canada is safe and sound until the end of the year now, despite the weekly embarrassment of constant three and outs that just keep stacking up and more chants for his firing. Where are the changes in attempting to fix the offense? It looked like his big reveal this past week was bringing in Broderick Jones as an extra tackle. Excuse me while the rest of the NFL falls to their collective knees begging for mercy. What are we trying to do different? I'm not seeing any visible or significant changes to the game plan.

What the Steelers are doing now is completely senseless. It is indefensible. And the worst part of all is that it feels like any heat on the offense is as mild as a warm glass of milk. The players and coaches on offense should be going into every game like their career is on the absolute line. And instead, it just feels and looks like they're just happily content and that it all appears copacetic. Why worry? They're 4-3, right?

They have to start making significant changes to the players they're putting on the field and the overall game plan on offense. And if not? Then those decision-makers simply don't deserve to keep their jobs. The NFL is a tough racket, and this offense that has been as historically awful. Not mediocre, not pedestrian, I mean historically awful. The time for excuses is over. Changes need to be made ASAP.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Are you new here ??

[Stillchest]

The Steelers have scored 97 points on offense this year in 7 games. 13.85 points per game. The only team worse is the 2-6 New York Giants, who have been playing with a backup QB the past three weeks, now having to go with a third string QB after Tyrod Taylor got hurt, and undoubtedly will have their head coach and staff let go after this season.

The 2019 Duck Hodges/Mason Rudolph led Steelers scored (after taking out defensive scores) 16.75 points a game. We're officially worse on offense than the Quack Attack. It's the worst scoring offense in Pittsburgh since 1970, Bradshaw's first year after the '69 team went 1-13 back when teams often filled out their rosters with various farm animals. I'm not even getting into the streak of games without 400 yards, which is embarrassing enough. If this isn't the bottom, I don't want to see what is.

My question is simple: why isn't there even a hint of change? With anything on offense?

From my count, we go into TNF with our depth chart completely unchanged from where it was before the season started.

For our starting QB, who is averaging less TD passes per passing attempt than Ryan Leaf, Brady Quinn, and Chris Weinke, fourth worst in the SB era, is there any real criticism other than "man, he could've hit that one throw" or "hey, he should've hung in the pocket there." Scathing stuff, right? Pickett averages a TD on 2.1% of his throws, with only Akili Smith, Kelly Stouffer, and Gary Huff worse in the SB era (thanks to B2B). You know what happened to those three other guys and their careers? Well... let's just say it didn't work out and they didn't last long. I know we're going to hold out hope, but Pickett would have to be some historical outlier to actually work out as a legitimate pro QB at this point. If we're being objective and looking at a pretty solid sample size at this point compared to historical peers, he is and will be a failed pick and a failed player. Would it kill this offense to tell him to take a seat and watch from the sidelines for a game or two while giving Mitch or Mason a full week of practice and work up?

For our starting RB, who is averaging a career low 3.7 yards a carry, who is still indecisive and slow in whatever he's trying to do, who doesn't look like he has gotten any better, his job and role on this team remains safe and secure from what I've seen. Jaylen Warren is a UDFA who has arguably outperformed him the past two years now. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of UDFAs out there at home now hungry for just one chance to prove themselves that can come in and perform better.

Our starting center, who has been an abject failure this year, having the worst season of a muddy career to begin with, who consistently tosses soft lobs at the feet of the QB before getting plowed over, is there even a whiff he should get demoted? Any hint at all? How about Dan Moore, who on his best day is fine, but just consistently doesn't get the job done and hardly ever makes any key blocks in the ground game. Does he dare take a seat on the bench? Chucks? Don't think you should be safe either. We were supposed to have this great depth on the OL, but we keep trotting out the same five guys expecting something to magically change. Why? And look, I get that DJ and Pickens are 1a and 1b, but can we not get some other guys in there at some point rotating in with the rest of the group? Why is Allen Robinson's spot secure again? Is that guy beating coverage and getting open? Is he earning the 46 snaps on offense he had on Sunday?

And it goes without saying now, but it appears Matt Canada is safe and sound until the end of the year now, despite the weekly embarrassment of constant three and outs that just keep stacking up and more chants for his firing. Where are the changes in attempting to fix the offense? It looked like his big reveal this past week was bringing in Broderick Jones as an extra tackle. Excuse me while the rest of the NFL falls to their collective knees begging for mercy. What are we trying to do different? I'm not seeing any visible or significant changes to the game plan.

What the Steelers are doing now is completely senseless. It is indefensible. And the worst part of all is that it feels like any heat on the offense is as mild as a warm glass of milk. The players and coaches on offense should be going into every game like their career is on the absolute line. And instead, it just feels and looks like they're just happily content and that it all appears copacetic. Why worry? They're 4-3, right?

They have to start making significant changes to the players they're putting on the field and the overall game plan on offense. And if not? Then those decision-makers simply don't deserve to keep their jobs. The NFL is a tough racket, and this offense that has been as historically awful. Not mediocre, not pedestrian, I mean historically awful. The time for excuses is over. Changes need to be made ASAP.

The Steelers don’t think there is an issue with the roster.

They believe is all failed execution by the players.

Their solution is to continue emphasizing execution.

Until they bottom out for multiple seasons, it’s doubtful we see any change of substance.

[tbsteel]

Are you new here ??

I know, I know... change and the Steelers go together like oil and water.

[lifelongsteel]

The Steelers don’t think there is an issue with the roster.

They believe is all failed execution by the players.

Their solution is to continue emphasizing execution.

Until they bottom out for multiple seasons, it’s doubtful we see any change of substance.
[/quote]

I agree that's likely what they think. But, isn't it the players who have to execute, and if they can't do it then there's a problem with the roster?

[Mick]

To be foolishly optimistic, the mini-bye would make for a better opportunity to move on from our OC than the actual bye did,

As going into actual bye we were in 1st place and after thursday we may be in last place with the NFL’s last place offense.

[Jobu]

Change???
As long as this team keeps its head above water and Tomlin has them “in contention”, A2 is as happy as a puppy with two peters. So we should all accept that and be glad that ole Shades is our head coach. Life is good!

[Deebo]

Yea other people nailed it.

Tomlin believes that he's got the correct vector, altitude, and speed to land this on the correct runway. Why change anything when they're right on target: just above .500 with a shot of making the playoffs?

[Stillchest]

The Steelers don’t think there is an issue with the roster.

They believe is all failed execution by the players.

Their solution is to continue emphasizing execution.

Until they bottom out for multiple seasons, it’s doubtful we see any change of substance.

I agree that's likely what they think. But, isn't it the players who have to execute, and if they can't do it then there's a problem with the roster?
[/quote]

That’s reasonable.

Who’s responsible for personnel and it’s orchestration?

[lifelongsteel]

Change???
As long as this team keeps its head above water and Tomlin has them “in contention”, A2 is as happy as a puppy with two peters. So we should all accept that and be glad that ole Shades is our head coach. Life is good!

This seems to be the consensus on Fury . . . that the steelers brass is happy with being in contention, playing ugly, sloppy football and winning via some 4th quarter miracle.

I'm sorry to say, but it's worse. I believe they do want to be a dominant team. I don't believe they are happy with NHALS.

But . . . They. Just. Don't. Know. How. To do it.

So they take comfort in the Steeler way. They take solace in NHALS. They believe the media fairy tale of Tomlin as an elite coach. One day the pain will be too much. They will be forced to act. But today, sadly, is not that day.

And I of course will root for the 13-12 win. I will follow 9 games on the final sunday of the year, knowing that if all 9 go the Steelers way they can grab the 7 seed and lose by 40 to the dolphins. one of these days I'll learn, and root for the 1-16 season that probably needs to happen to get the reboot that is sorely needed. But today, sadly, is not that day either.

[Stillchest]

Change???
As long as this team keeps its head above water and Tomlin has them “in contention”, A2 is as happy as a puppy with two peters. So we should all accept that and be glad that ole Shades is our head coach. Life is good!

This seems to be the consensus on Fury . . . that the steelers brass is happy with being in contention, playing ugly, sloppy football and winning via some 4th quarter miracle.

I'm sorry to say, but it's worse. I believe they do want to be a dominant team. I don't believe they are happy with NHALS.

But . . . They. Just. Don't. Know. How. To do it.

So they take comfort in the Steeler way. They take solace in NHALS. They believe the media fairy tale of Tomlin as an elite coach. One day the pain will be too much. They will be forced to act. But today, sadly, is not that day.

And I of course will root for the 13-12 win. I will follow 9 games on the final sunday of the year, knowing that if all 9 go the Steelers way they can grab the 7 seed and lose by 40 to the dolphins. one of these days I'll learn, and root for the 1-16 season that probably needs to happen to get the reboot that is sorely needed. But today, sadly, is not that day either.

Good thoughts.

If there’s a semblance of truth to your perspective, it’s definitely much worse than many of us think

[fractalsteel]

Tomlin said changes were coming after the Houston disaster a month ago.

The change was to make practices more physical.
Nothing about roster structure or changes on either side of the ball. Just more physicality on the practice field.

Change? Not Tomlin. No way.

[franco32]

The problem is that most of the changes still don't make the offense demonstratively better. Trubisky and Mason offer nothing. There is no future with them. There may be no future with Kenny, but you at least let him play the year out and get it out of your system.

Warran over Najee is a no brainer.

Cole? He sucks...but what is the alternative? Is it really better?

Moore sucks, but when Broderick came in the game, we had to immediately leave Heyward next to him to help him. Not good.

Chuks sucks but we paid him a lot of money.

TE is a disaster and Mound Washington seems to be relegated to 3rd string behind a grocery bagger (so much for top 5 draft pick).

The single biggest change is OC and that should have happened a long time ago. For the FIFTH time in the last year, an opposing defender said we basically knew the plays and what was coming. (Their ILB said that.). You know what? I could too. The Jags ILBs were attacking the line on runs BEFORE THE BALL WAS SNAPPED. Horrific.

[bradshaw2ben]

For our starting QB, who is averaging less TD passes per passing attempt than Ryan Leaf, Brady Quinn, and Chris Weinke, fourth worst in the SB era, is there any real criticism other than "man, he could've hit that one throw" or "hey, he should've hung in the pocket there." Scathing stuff, right? Pickett averages a TD on 2.1% of his throws, with only Akili Smith, Kelly Stouffer, and Gary Huff worse in the SB era (thanks to B2B). You know what happened to those three other guys and their careers? Well... let's just say it didn't work out and they didn't last long. I know we're going to hold out hope, but Pickett would have to be some historical outlier to actually work out as a legitimate pro QB at this point. If we're being objective and looking at a pretty solid sample size at this point compared to historical peers, he is and will be a failed pick and a failed player.

Actually, KP is now only 3 passing attempts without a TD from "passing" Gary Huff to become 3rd-worst all time.

And the Steelers offense now has the second longest streak of <400yd games in the 2000s.

We're going places!

[Professor Half Wit]

For our starting QB, who is averaging less TD passes per passing attempt than Ryan Leaf, Brady Quinn, and Chris Weinke, fourth worst in the SB era, is there any real criticism other than "man, he could've hit that one throw" or "hey, he should've hung in the pocket there." Scathing stuff, right? Pickett averages a TD on 2.1% of his throws, with only Akili Smith, Kelly Stouffer, and Gary Huff worse in the SB era (thanks to B2B). You know what happened to those three other guys and their careers? Well... let's just say it didn't work out and they didn't last long. I know we're going to hold out hope, but Pickett would have to be some historical outlier to actually work out as a legitimate pro QB at this point. If we're being objective and looking at a pretty solid sample size at this point compared to historical peers, he is and will be a failed pick and a failed player.

Actually, KP is now only 3 passing attempts without a TD from "passing" Gary Huff to become 3rd-worst all time.

And the Steelers offense now has the second longest streak of <400yd games in the 2000s.

We're going places!

I mean, you knew it was going to be interesting when Ben retired, but juheaaaaazzzzz….

[955876]

There is more than offensive production and championships.

For me, I don’t evaluate this team on those metrics. In fact, I don’t really evaluate them in terms of performance based aspects at all.

I look bigger picture. And what I see is a franchise that’s only had 3 HC’s in 54 years, has a current HC that excels in elevating young men while being a master wordsmiff, and on occasion makes it to the playoffs where they serve as fluffer to the legitimate playoff contenders.

And that’s good enough. Besides, each year we can add to the only had 3 head coaches in X number and of years stat is like a playoff victory.

That’s how important that metric is.

[franco32]

There is more than offensive production and championships.

For me, I don’t evaluate this team on those metrics. In fact, I don’t really evaluate them in terms of performance based aspects at all.

I look bigger picture. And what I see is a franchise that’s only had 3 HC’s in 54 years, has a current HC that excels in elevating young men while being a master wordsmiff, and on occasion makes it to the playoffs where they serve as fluffer to the legitimate playoff contenders.

And that’s good enough. Besides, each year we can add to the only had 3 head coaches in X number and of years stat is like a playoff victory.

That’s how important that metric is.

You forgot that these NHALS allow us to continue to have the highest winning percentage since the merger. We pat ourselves a lot on the back for that one....

[955876]

Ah yea I did. Major oversight on my part.

Although, I do find it a bit odd that you rarely (if ever) hear anyone say Ben Roethlisberger NHALS.

Too busy fluffing Jibbs to recognize that “game-manager” Ben might have had something to do with that accomplishment.

[steelmann58]

don't expect it to change

[the-other-burg]

Gotta hold onto that scapegoat as long as he can. He's running out of scapegoats.

[LakecrestSteeler]

The Steelers have scored 97 points on offense this year in 7 games. 13.85 points per game. The only team worse is the 2-6 New York Giants, who have been playing with a backup QB the past three weeks, now having to go with a third string QB after Tyrod Taylor got hurt, and undoubtedly will have their head coach and staff let go after this season.

The 2019 Duck Hodges/Mason Rudolph led Steelers scored (after taking out defensive scores) 16.75 points a game. We're officially worse on offense than the Quack Attack. It's the worst scoring offense in Pittsburgh since 1970, Bradshaw's first year after the '69 team went 1-13 back when teams often filled out their rosters with various farm animals. I'm not even getting into the streak of games without 400 yards, which is embarrassing enough. If this isn't the bottom, I don't want to see what is.

My question is simple: why isn't there even a hint of change? With anything on offense?

From my count, we go into TNF with our depth chart completely unchanged from where it was before the season started.

For our starting QB, who is averaging less TD passes per passing attempt than Ryan Leaf, Brady Quinn, and Chris Weinke, fourth worst in the SB era, is there any real criticism other than "man, he could've hit that one throw" or "hey, he should've hung in the pocket there." Scathing stuff, right? Pickett averages a TD on 2.1% of his throws, with only Akili Smith, Kelly Stouffer, and Gary Huff worse in the SB era (thanks to B2B). You know what happened to those three other guys and their careers? Well... let's just say it didn't work out and they didn't last long. I know we're going to hold out hope, but Pickett would have to be some historical outlier to actually work out as a legitimate pro QB at this point. If we're being objective and looking at a pretty solid sample size at this point compared to historical peers, he is and will be a failed pick and a failed player. Would it kill this offense to tell him to take a seat and watch from the sidelines for a game or two while giving Mitch or Mason a full week of practice and work up?

For our starting RB, who is averaging a career low 3.7 yards a carry, who is still indecisive and slow in whatever he's trying to do, who doesn't look like he has gotten any better, his job and role on this team remains safe and secure from what I've seen. Jaylen Warren is a UDFA who has arguably outperformed him the past two years now. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of UDFAs out there at home now hungry for just one chance to prove themselves that can come in and perform better.

Our starting center, who has been an abject failure this year, having the worst season of a muddy career to begin with, who consistently tosses soft lobs at the feet of the QB before getting plowed over, is there even a whiff he should get demoted? Any hint at all? How about Dan Moore, who on his best day is fine, but just consistently doesn't get the job done and hardly ever makes any key blocks in the ground game. Does he dare take a seat on the bench? Chucks? Don't think you should be safe either. We were supposed to have this great depth on the OL, but we keep trotting out the same five guys expecting something to magically change. Why? And look, I get that DJ and Pickens are 1a and 1b, but can we not get some other guys in there at some point rotating in with the rest of the group? Why is Allen Robinson's spot secure again? Is that guy beating coverage and getting open? Is he earning the 46 snaps on offense he had on Sunday?

And it goes without saying now, but it appears Matt Canada is safe and sound until the end of the year now, despite the weekly embarrassment of constant three and outs that just keep stacking up and more chants for his firing. Where are the changes in attempting to fix the offense? It looked like his big reveal this past week was bringing in Broderick Jones as an extra tackle. Excuse me while the rest of the NFL falls to their collective knees begging for mercy. What are we trying to do different? I'm not seeing any visible or significant changes to the game plan.

What the Steelers are doing now is completely senseless. It is indefensible. And the worst part of all is that it feels like any heat on the offense is as mild as a warm glass of milk. The players and coaches on offense should be going into every game like their career is on the absolute line. And instead, it just feels and looks like they're just happily content and that it all appears copacetic. Why worry? They're 4-3, right?

They have to start making significant changes to the players they're putting on the field and the overall game plan on offense. And if not? Then those decision-makers simply don't deserve to keep their jobs. The NFL is a tough racket, and this offense that has been as historically awful. Not mediocre, not pedestrian, I mean historically awful. The time for excuses is over. Changes need to be made ASAP.

Pretty good write up…it is infuriating.

You forgot one thing…the Trainer.

Obviously something has gone of the rails with conditioning or strength training. How the hell do we have this many hamstring issues not even at the halfway point? This is all preventable in my eyes.

There really is not much to be done until offseason. Unfortunately, not much will be done in the offseason because the HC will still be around. All we can hope for is Khan and Weidl wake up Art

[CKSteeler]

I don't even know how people are worked up about anything at this point. Did you actually have expectations for a Kenny Pickett QB'ed, Mike Tomlin coached Steelers team?

The time to be worked up was in like 2018. I spent like half a decade prior to that ranting to anyone who would listen that Tomlin needed to go because he was wasting a HOF QB's career.

Now it's just like...who gives a fuck? Nothing's changing. Just kind of hope the guys wearing the laundry are kind of likeable and watch dispassionately. Nothing is changing. Mike Tomlin isn't hiring some young offensive guru because no one like that would want to work with him.

He's probably going to promote the RB coach Faulkner when Canada's contract expires. Who cares...who gives a shit.

Then there were the idiots who were all too eager to force Roethlisberger out the door as if that was some magic ticket. I'd rather watch 41 year old Ben than this shit. Pretty sure the guy who started this thread was one of those guys. Ben left. So did any even remote chance of a Super Bowl.

[Steelperch]

Are you new here ??

[Riverrat]

I heard a stat today that said we are getting close to breaking the record for most consecutive games less than 400 yards. It’s at 30 something currently and will be an nfl Super Bowl era record previously held by a raider team. Still no change.

Something that is also seldom mentioned is the poor line production and development post Munchak. We have some linemen that were pretty solid on other teams that now struggle. Is that scheme, development or culture? Add in the draft misses or lack of development of young players and it’s just another issue.

We have some personnel issues but it’s hard to overlook some of the questionable coaching and development.

[RemoAZ]

If Tomlin had an ounce of coaching ability, he would have shit canned Canada after Ben couldn't make this offense look good. So what does he do? He brings him back and let's him ruin his 1st round pick. The guy just can't coach for shit and nobody talks about the fact that he hasn't developed ONE coach. If you needed any more proof that he sucks, that should cement it. Nope, Rooney loves him. It's maddening.

[955876]

I heard a stat today that said we are getting close to breaking the record for most consecutive games less than 400 yards. It’s at 30 something currently and will be an nfl Super Bowl era record previously held by a raider team. Still no change.

I genuinely hope we get it. That stench needs to follow Jibbs around for all to see what he really “put on tape”.

[ToddHaleysNineIron]

I could put a 3 year old out there to block an all pro and blame "execution" when he fails.

[ToddHaleysNineIron]

I don't even know how people are worked up about anything at this point. Did you actually have expectations for a Kenny Pickett QB'ed, Mike Tomlin coached Steelers team?

This team was bad with Ben at the healm, and the only success he had was from his "F U - I'll draw up the plays" 4th qtr comebacks , not dissimilar to what we are seeing now.

Otherwise it was the same stuff, with the exception of get the ball out under 2 seconds because the offensive line was destroyed after that... Pickett got hit 9 of 16 attempts this past week. They couldn't have called the same plays with Ben getting hit 9 of 16 times, so they shortened routes while he was here, get the ball out quickly.

All of this gets to your first sentence, the one I quoted... You left out the most important name. It's Matt Canada.

Don't excuse the guy whose failed with 3 different QB's including a hall of famer. This team will fail even if you bring Caleb Wilson... because Matt Canada is running not just a sub-par nfl offensive scheme and system... but so far below NFL standards that numerous people have called it out.

For sure we know Canada is Tomlin's guy and the only reason Canada is still here is Tomlin.

[jebrick]

For our starting RB, who is averaging a career low 3.7 yards a carry, who is still indecisive and slow in whatever he's trying to do, who doesn't look like he has gotten any better, his job and role on this team remains safe and secure from what I've seen. Jaylen Warren is a UDFA who has arguably outperformed him the past two years now. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of UDFAs out there at home now hungry for just one chance to prove themselves that can come in and perform better.

I have mentioned this since the beginning of the year. Harris needs a power gap scheme to be successful. He needs to be running north south in a hurry. He looks like crap on the zone runs. Warren has the one-cut ability to make zone runs work. He also has the speed to bounce it outside. If they want to "feature" Harris change the blocking style. It would fit their IOL players better.