How much softer can the game get?

[RemoAZ]

The WNBA is more physical than what they want the game to be these days. I thought Minka's comment was spot on:

Chris Adamski
@C_AdamskiTrib
Minkah Fitzpatrick on his personal foul penalty
“I thought we were playing football …. This is not the game I grew up playing… you can’t hit anybody.”
Video: https://twitter.com/TheStandard412/stat ... 9370385569

Some posts by James about it:

James Harrison
@jharrison9292
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5h
I’m a @steelers fan but @NFLonCBS that was a call!

That call on Fitzpatrick is going to change the whole outcome of this game!

Final score @NFLOfficiating @Colts win the game 24-27!

Sorry but I can’t be fined!!!

Not about the hit but I loved Brady's comment about his mind set. This guy just refuses to let me hate him!
Remember when the majority of players were all about winning?

Barstool Sports
@barstoolsports
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4h
Tom Brady just cooked Baker harder than he used to cook the AFC East
https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/stat ... 4939828572

[CKSteeler]

I didn't watch today. I kind of expected a let down.

I'm glad I didn't watch. Not because they lost. Not because they made some beoneheaded mistakes or got out schemed, even and it validates my own beliefs about the team.

Just because I'm tired of the NFL's product and the refs deciding half the games each week with judgement calls that they have no business making.

[RemoAZ]

I didn't watch today. I kind of expected a let down.

I'm glad I didn't watch. Not because they lost. Not because they made some beoneheaded mistakes or got out schemed, even and it validates my own beliefs about the team.

Just because I'm tired of the NFL's product and the refs deciding half the games each week with judgement calls that they have no business making.

There were three of those hitting/tackling too hard penalties and I hated all of them. I don't care if they are in our favor or not. They're ruining the game.

[LakecrestSteeler]

Not arguing whether the game is softer or harder than previous years, but rather that players know the rules and how it will be called.

Minkah and everyone on this board knew as soon as he hit him that would be a penalty.

As I said ion the GDT, it was a stupid play and mistake, and it cost us.

If you are going to get 15 yards, then blow up the guy and get some intimidation factor out of the penalty. Instead it was a lame pull up because Minkah knew a defenseless receiver rule was in play right in front of his eyes.

And what did Minkah do all game? Zero picks and RBs running wide all day. He didn’t earn his paycheck today.

[SteelerDayTrader]

I’m a little hesitant to criticize Minkah too much

A 200 lb FS can only do so much

The DL the OLBs the ILBs……really bad day

[zeke5123]

If we wa t to talk about it, Heyward had Flacco dead to rights. Heyward didn’t go too hard because didn’t want RTP. Flacco managed to fling the ball way out of bounds with nary a soul in sight. Flacco didn’t move to his left or right so clearly in the tackle box.

If that isn’t intentional grounding, then what is?

[LakecrestSteeler]

I’m a little hesitant to criticize Minkah too much

A 200 lb FS can only do so much

The DL the OLBs the ILBs……really bad day

True. But as you bitched about Watt disappearing I am bitching about Minkah. He did get Richardson out of the game though on 2 consecutive tackles.

[LakecrestSteeler]

If we wa t to talk about it, Heyward had Flacco dead to rights. Heyward didn’t go too hard because didn’t want RTP. Flacco managed to fling the ball way out of bounds with nary a soul in sight. Flacco didn’t move to his left or right so clearly in the tackle box.

If that isn’t intentional grounding, then what is?

I believe basically because the 300 pounder is wrapped around his ankles he can’t make an accurate throw is the argument. Do they call this one consistently? I doubt it.

How about the veteran DL make the play and sack the 90 year old statue instead. We collectively make too many excuses for our players. They call in the grasp still if he was worried about RTF. Bear hug and hold for the whistle.

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Item 2. Physical Contact. Intentional grounding should not be called if:

the passer initiates his passing motion toward an eligible receiver and then is significantly affected by physical contact from a defensive player that causes the pass to land in an area that is not in the direction and vicinity of an eligible receiver; or
the passer is out of the pocket, and his passing motion is significantly affected by physical contact from a defensive player that causes the ball to land short of the line of scrimmage.

[zeke5123]

If we wa t to talk about it, Heyward had Flacco dead to rights. Heyward didn’t go too hard because didn’t want RTP. Flacco managed to fling the ball way out of bounds with nary a soul in sight. Flacco didn’t move to his left or right so clearly in the tackle box.

If that isn’t intentional grounding, then what is?

I believe basically because the 300 pounder is wrapped around his ankles he can’t make an accurate throw is the argument. Do they call this one consistently? I doubt it.

How about the veteran DL make the play and sack the 90 year old statue instead. We collectively make too many excuses for our players. They call in the grasp still if he was worried about RTF. Bear hug and hold for the whistle.

_________________

Item 2. Physical Contact. Intentional grounding should not be called if:

the passer initiates his passing motion toward an eligible receiver and then is significantly affected by physical contact from a defensive player that causes the pass to land in an area that is not in the direction and vicinity of an eligible receiver; or
the passer is out of the pocket, and his passing motion is significantly affected by physical contact from a defensive player that causes the ball to land short of the line of scrimmage.

I don’t think that dog hunts. It’s one thing if a QB gets hit in the middle of his throwing motion. Here, Flacco wasn’t trying to throw when he originally was being contacted by Heyward. It was patently clear that he was just trying to chuck the ball out of bounds to avoid the sack.

[SteelerDayTrader]

I’m a little hesitant to criticize Minkah too much

A 200 lb FS can only do so much

The DL the OLBs the ILBs……really bad day

True. But as you bitched about Watt disappearing I am bitching about Minkah. He did get Richardson out of the game though on 2 consecutive tackles.

Big difference between Low Watt and Minkah

[swissvale72]

Pussification of the NFL continues unabated. To me, the worst call, not even close, and would have made me insane had it happened to us, was the roughing call on the sack of Fields. That was a picture fuckin' perfect tackle. Roughing the QB was always, always, always applied to hitting the QB late....AFTER he had released the ball.....NOT during a sack. That was total bullshit.

[LakecrestSteeler]

Pussification of the NFL continues unabated. To me, the worst call, not even close, and would have made me insane had it happened to us, was the roughing call on the sack of Fields. That was a picture fuckin' perfect tackle. Roughing the QB was always, always, always applied to hitting the QB late....AFTER he had released the ball.....NOT during a sack. That was total bullshit.

@swissvale72 are you not aware of not allowed to land on the QB with all of your weight rule?

Sure it was a perfect form tackle, but he did not move to the side or put his arm out to divide the weight. Cut and dry call.


I was quite happy with it.

[LakecrestSteeler]

If we wa t to talk about it, Heyward had Flacco dead to rights. Heyward didn’t go too hard because didn’t want RTP. Flacco managed to fling the ball way out of bounds with nary a soul in sight. Flacco didn’t move to his left or right so clearly in the tackle box.

If that isn’t intentional grounding, then what is?

I believe basically because the 300 pounder is wrapped around his ankles he can’t make an accurate throw is the argument. Do they call this one consistently? I doubt it.

How about the veteran DL make the play and sack the 90 year old statue instead. We collectively make too many excuses for our players. They call in the grasp still if he was worried about RTF. Bear hug and hold for the whistle.

_________________

Item 2. Physical Contact. Intentional grounding should not be called if:

the passer initiates his passing motion toward an eligible receiver and then is significantly affected by physical contact from a defensive player that causes the pass to land in an area that is not in the direction and vicinity of an eligible receiver; or
the passer is out of the pocket, and his passing motion is significantly affected by physical contact from a defensive player that causes the ball to land short of the line of scrimmage.

I don’t think that dog hunts. It’s one thing if a QB gets hit in the middle of his throwing motion. Here, Flacco wasn’t trying to throw when he originally was being contacted by Heyward. It was patently clear that he was just trying to chuck the ball out of bounds to avoid the sack.

Probably right. The replays were god awful yesterday. I remember seeing Heyward sitting on the turf, flustered about a 40 year old string bean man getting out of his grip.

I wonder if the NFL is going to centralized replays and software driven replays…or AI to control the camera movements.

[swissvale72]

Pussification of the NFL continues unabated. To me, the worst call, not even close, and would have made me insane had it happened to us, was the roughing call on the sack of Fields. That was a picture fuckin' perfect tackle. Roughing the QB was always, always, always applied to hitting the QB late....AFTER he had released the ball.....NOT during a sack. That was total bullshit.

@swissvale72 are you not aware of not allowed to land on the QB with all of your weight rule?

Sure it was a perfect form tackle, but he did not move to the side or put his arm out to divide the weight. Cut and dry call.


I was quite happy with it.

Yeah, I'm aware, lake crest. My issue is with the rule itself....fucks with the integrity of the game