Broderick Could Be What Holds this Team Back

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Broderick Could Be What Holds this Team Back

Post by franco32 » Mon Oct 21, 2024 2:06 pm

I think everyone is excited by the implementation of the forward pass with Russ coming in. Play action looked better too. This team might be able to build into something...but..

Broderick was a dumpster fire again. As TB rightfully pointed out, even on successful plays like Najee's TD, he's getting trucked and pancaked. I'm tired of people blaming the coaching. His footwork, hands, and energy are all sh*t. He's sloppy. He's lost. He's missing guys to block. He's regressed badly. He's allowed at least 5 sacks, countless pressures, been penalized at least 5 times I can remember if not more...it's just Mike Adams awful.

I'm starting to think we have to look at Dylan Cook or some other alternative.



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Post by TimmayLake » Mon Oct 21, 2024 2:10 pm

How did the Steelers get it so wrong and decide he was worth a 1st round pick?

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Post by shellwagnerblount » Mon Oct 21, 2024 2:20 pm

TimmayLake wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2024 2:10 pm
How did the Steelers get it so wrong and decide he was worth a 1st round pick?
Has to be work ethic..you don't draft a guy that high without the requisite skill set and potential to grow.
And then there's the guys who shrink under the glare of the NFL spotlight..maybe he's just not capable of handling that..don't know..what a disappointment ...

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Post by TimmayLake » Mon Oct 21, 2024 2:25 pm

So basically he has the physical skills and talent to be a 1st rounder but is just lazy?

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Post by Baltostiller » Mon Oct 21, 2024 2:25 pm

shellwagnerblount wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2024 2:20 pm
TimmayLake wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2024 2:10 pm
How did the Steelers get it so wrong and decide he was worth a 1st round pick?
Has to be work ethic..you don't draft a guy that high without the requisite skill set and potential to grow.
And then there's the guys who shrink under the glare of the NFL spotlight..maybe he's just not capable of handling that..don't know..what a disappointment ...
I swear he looks uninterested at times, like he doesn't even give a shit what happens on "this play"

I wish the Steelers had Munchak back. Back the Brinks truck up to his house if necessary.

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Post by franco32 » Mon Oct 21, 2024 3:09 pm

Yes. It looks like laziness and a general sense of disinterest to me. I don't think he's put the work in. Feet are lazy and hand usage still terrible. I could almost live with the terrible technique but he just combines it with low energy and cluelessness far too often.

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Post by Deebo » Mon Oct 21, 2024 3:17 pm

TimmayLake wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2024 2:10 pm
How did the Steelers get it so wrong and decide he was worth a 1st round pick?
He was pretty much a consensus 1st round pick so I don't think the Steelers got this wrong.
He's an absolute athletic freak, but he just doesn't seem motivated at all.

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Post by W&M_Steeler » Mon Oct 21, 2024 3:21 pm

franco32 wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2024 3:09 pm
Yes. It looks like laziness and a general sense of disinterest to me. I don't think he's put the work in. Feet are lazy and hand usage still terrible. I could almost live with the terrible technique but he just combines it with low energy and cluelessness far too often.
His first move on every play is to stand straight up. He needs serious work.

Is Fautanu definitely out for the entire year, or could he return in a few months?

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Post by K_C_ » Mon Oct 21, 2024 3:21 pm

Another reason I'm happy the Steelers have 2 quality QB's.

Jones is going to get somebody killed.
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Post by franco32 » Mon Oct 21, 2024 6:27 pm

Correction...he's allowed 6 sacks. PFF says that's worst in the league at his position. :shock:

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Post by SDSteelerFan » Mon Oct 21, 2024 6:43 pm

Dotson-Greene Syndrome? Quiet quitting? You'd think he'd at least show some technique, even if lazily.

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Post by 955876 » Mon Oct 21, 2024 7:20 pm

He’s a fucking turd.

Missing on 1st rounders has really set this team back.

Also think all the flip flopping hasn’t helped.

Also think our oline coach sucks.

Also think Fautanu is best suited at LG.

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Post by Orangesteel » Mon Oct 21, 2024 7:27 pm

Something stinks. If he’s in fact injured then holy hell just come out and say it and start someone else. He’s very young and we don’t need to be throwing around the “B” word just yet but he’s going to get one or both of our QBs killed and let all of the air out of what seems like a promising run here.
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Post by franco32 » Mon Oct 21, 2024 8:10 pm

It's not injury. It's lack of work ethic and effort. Leaning too much on athleticism. Let's assume something is wrong with his elbow/arm, etc. That doesn't excuse his lazy feet, or his terrible lunging in pass protection, or the penalties, or not being on the same page as the rest of the Oline.

If the coaching were so bad, why could Frazier and Mason M start and do well? Heck, even Fautanu looked 10x better than Broderick in his one start.

I don't think Broderick has the worth ethic and desire to get better and work at his craft. I think it's that simple.

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Post by bradshaw2ben » Mon Oct 21, 2024 8:47 pm

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Post by langer » Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:54 pm

Will Woolford played with a torn pec iirc.

Jones gets abused and takes it, no fight in him. Thought he showed aggressiveness last year, but this year he gets shoved around badly. Teetering on one foot, then shoved over like he wanted to flop onto the ground. He can't plant his feet and sometimes jumps out of the way. Michigan's LT was playing similarly, 17 from Illinois was shoving this big dude around with no resistance.

Reminiscent of other soft players that avoided contact and stack jumped.
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Post by Stosh-67 » Tue Oct 22, 2024 10:03 pm

Broderick does not get trucked too bad on the last Najee TD.
1:57 mark.
Yikes.
He did provide something for Najee to leap over.

I sure hope watching film with his team mates,
seeing these plays,
somehow lights a fire under his ass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNd0ziD4vxg
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Post by 955876 » Tue Oct 22, 2024 10:14 pm

If it hasn’t yet why would it now?

Where is the oline coach?

Where is Jibbs?

Looking like another 1st round bust.

Missing back to back years will really fuck a franchise

Followed-up Pop Gun Pickett with Baby Boy Jones. Yikes

Contrast 2003-2012 where the worst picks were Ziggt Hood and Spinderella.

Mendenhall had talent though. And Hood wasn’t awful. Just not great for 1st rounder.

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Post by Still Diesel » Tue Oct 22, 2024 10:49 pm

You know they say Fautana should be back for playoffs

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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Tue Oct 22, 2024 10:55 pm

Stosh-67 wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2024 10:03 pm
Broderick does not get trucked too bad on the last Najee TD.
1:57 mark.
Yikes.
He did provide something for Najee to leap over.

I sure hope watching film with his team mates,
seeing these plays,
somehow lights a fire under his ass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNd0ziD4vxg
I thought he looked pretty good in this clip except for the last play. I don’t think he gets asked to drive people off the ball much. He seems to always be in finesse blocks. Utilization of his skills is part of the problem. I bet he could be a good pulling tackle if they had a couple plays for that.

On that last play it is a slight possibility he saw the whites of the guy’s knuckles in front of him and knew he was doing a bull rush and decided to take him out with a faux tackle.

Every time I focus on him I come away with the board is too hyper-focused on him. Jones made some great blocks in this YouTube clip except for the last one, but he still accomplished the objective and took his guy out of the play on the trucking, assuming the run was to the left!

Devin Bush is low bar standard for bust. Jones is not even near Bush bust. I think he will work out still.

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Post by jebrick » Wed Oct 23, 2024 11:44 am

IMHO, he is playing like an athlete more than a football player. No technique. Fine for a rookie but not for a 2nd year player. I am moving him into the possible bust category
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Post by franco32 » Wed Oct 23, 2024 12:04 pm

jebrick wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 11:44 am
IMHO, he is playing like an athlete more than a football player. No technique. Fine for a rookie but not for a 2nd year player. I am moving him into the possible bust category
I'm not even sure he's an athlete at this point. He looks clumsy and I don't think he's put in enough work on strength training in the offseason. I'm not one to go by PFF but his 45 rating has to be close to the worst in the league and that is what my eyes are seeing too.

Get well soon Troy...

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Post by DP39 » Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:40 pm

His run blocking is WAY better than his pass blocking, for sure. For big men it's physically much easier to do. His PB is incredibly bad at times.

I've stated before (from watching his film) that it appears he doesn't want to do the hard stuff -- use his core! Pass blocking demands greater stability and rotational control from your core muscles to maintain balance, and not be knocked off balance. It seems he'd rather lunge or even try to absorb the defender with his head/arms/upper body just so he doesn't have to engage his core as much. In other words, really bad technique.

It's my bet that if you asked him what his least favorite muscle group to work is, if being honest, he'd say his core. Btw, I think D-Wash has the same issue.

Let AB get them in that crazy Pilates routine he did and they'd both be All-Pros, imo.

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Post by 955876 » Wed Oct 23, 2024 4:14 pm

IMHO, he is playing like an athlete more than a football player. No technique.
He looks like a clumsy oaf out there. Which to me indicates he is a lazy fuck.

The technique he needs to learn isn’t rocket science and he isn’t a rookie.

Has a year in the NFL. Footwork, hand placement, etc can all be worked on in the offseason.

He has (1) the means to hire his own coach and (2) the time to work on his craft.

Should have come into this season looking much better than he did last year.

To me he looks worse.

Lazy.

Just like his HC.

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Post by Havoc » Wed Oct 23, 2024 4:33 pm

He was labeled better athlete than his opponents coming out of college and that is how he got by. Showed no natural ability to know how to leverage his body.

I did not buy the hype on the draft pick because of the above. Sounded to me like a track and field guy, not a ball sport guy. So I took a wait and see on him.

Maybe he's tried to play thru injuries, and his learning curve made more complicated under Myers unorthodox pass pro philosophy, made more complicated by bouncing around between LT and RT, and has lost confidence.

Might be good for him to see a sports psychologist if his head is screwed up.
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Post by stillthere » Wed Oct 23, 2024 11:32 pm

Still Diesel wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2024 10:49 pm
You know they say Fautana should be back for playoffs
And he will be 100% and in sync with all the OLinemen that he has not practiced with for 4 months. It'll be swell.

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