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@CoachDanCasey
"Modern Football in the NFL is Quarterback driven. You can look at the analytics... QB Success is a higher predictor of winning and losing than Turnover Ratio."

- Ben Johnson

https://twitter.com/CoachDanCasey/statu ... 7606151481

Not turnover ratio? OMG!

Bullshit everyone knows splash wins games. You just need to be lucky.

RemoAZ wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:47 am

@CoachDanCasey
"Modern Football in the NFL is Quarterback driven. You can look at the analytics... QB Success is a higher predictor of winning and losing than Turnover Ratio."

- Ben Johnson

https://twitter.com/CoachDanCasey/statu ... 7606151481

Not turnover ratio? OMG!

While Ben Johnson might be an offensive genius, let’s see how he handles Caleb Williams and his quirkiness.

I think Ben will have white hair by the end of next season and don’t be surprised if the Bears remain in last place.

K_C_ wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 23, 2025 11:35 am

RemoAZ wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:47 am

@CoachDanCasey
"Modern Football in the NFL is Quarterback driven. You can look at the analytics... QB Success is a higher predictor of winning and losing than Turnover Ratio."

- Ben Johnson

https://twitter.com/CoachDanCasey/statu ... 7606151481

Not turnover ratio? OMG!

While Ben Johnson might be an offensive genius, let’s see how he handles Caleb Williams and his quirkiness.

I think Ben will have white hair by the end of next season and don’t be surprised if the Bears remain in last place.

Was having a conversation about being on the "getting rid of Tomlin train" (I think Steelerfury poasters, with a couple of exceptions, are all riding first class), and he made the standard "well, who are you going to get to replace him?" argument. I replied "Whoever we'd have wanted." He said, "but the Bears have Caleb Williams, Johnson would have chosen them regardless." Would you rather have Caleb Williams and the Bears FO/ownership or a clean slate and 15+ years of stability and job security to make it work? End of conversation.

What's modern football?

Charles Demarr wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 23, 2025 12:58 pm

What's modern football?

The reason he doesn't watch other teams' games?

Ice wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 23, 2025 12:01 pm

K_C_ wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 23, 2025 11:35 am

RemoAZ wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:47 am

@CoachDanCasey
"Modern Football in the NFL is Quarterback driven. You can look at the analytics... QB Success is a higher predictor of winning and losing than Turnover Ratio."

- Ben Johnson

https://twitter.com/CoachDanCasey/statu ... 7606151481

Not turnover ratio? OMG!

While Ben Johnson might be an offensive genius, let’s see how he handles Caleb Williams and his quirkiness.

I think Ben will have white hair by the end of next season and don’t be surprised if the Bears remain in last place.

Was having a conversation about being on the "getting rid of Tomlin train" (I think Steelerfury poasters, with a couple of exceptions, are all riding first class), and he made the standard "well, who are you going to get to replace him?" argument. I replied "Whoever we'd have wanted." He said, "but the Bears have Caleb Williams, Johnson would have chosen them regardless." Would you rather have Caleb Williams and the Bears FO/ownership or a clean slate and 15+ years of stability and job security to make it work? End of conversation.

Yep. I had the exact same conversation with a friend of mine. I said Johnson would pick the Steelers over the Bears if the money was in the same stratosphere because Johnson would get at least 15 years with the Steelers to prove himself while he might get 3 with the Bears. My friend said the Steelers don’t have a QB and I said that’s true, but the Steelers could draft one or trade for a QB and in one season, Caleb Williams proved one thing: the Bears should have drafted Jayden Daniels. That’s all Caleb Williams has proven and I 100% understand why the Bears took Williams but I’d be worried if I were Bears fans. Caleb has a little crazy in him and Bears fans like their QB’s to be like Jim McMahon. They like tough guys who will kill themselves to win and live and breathe football.

I’m not sure Caleb Williams is that guy and if he isn’t, dude better start lighting up that scoreboard next season or it will get ugly fast. Justin Fields had a lot of warts but he was humble, coachable and never complained. He just tried his ass off to win on a terrible team, that’s why he’s still beloved in Chicago. Caleb Williams is gonna have a hard time with that fan base.

Though he landed in a nice spot, Nix is looking a little further along than Williams, and Maye with McDaniels (least creative offseason hire this side of the Steelers?) coming back in could make strides, too. You're right, career-wise, Williams needs every bit of the boost Johnson can give.

Johnson has his work cut out for him in Chicago, that's for sure.

But he also said another thing that would make Tomlin's head explode.

He said he wasn't starting with the Bears' current playbook.

He was instead going to "rip it (the offensive scheme)!down to the studs" and rebuild it with Williams' skills in mind.

What is this blasphemy? Build an offense tailored to the skill set of the most important player on offense?

What about possessing the ball and winning the weighty downs?

Ice wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:10 pm

Though he landed in a nice spot, Nix is looking a little further along than Williams, and Maye with McDaniels (least creative offseason hire this side of the Steelers?) coming back in could make strides, too. You're right, career-wise, Williams needs every bit of the boost Johnson can give.

Yeah, hard as it is for me to say, living in New England, I think patriots, with drake maye at qb, and vrabel as head coach, now adding McDaniel as OC, will contend before Steelers do.

When Jim Rooney talked about Tomlin "overachieving" with what he had, he might not have noticed that nearly half the teams in the NFL finished with 9 or more wins. And that's been happening for a few years now.

The NFL is a few great teams, a few bad teams, and the muddled middle.

The Steelers' spot on the periphery of the playoffs is a very crowded spot, and several teams underneath them at that spot are making strides to get better.

And nary a single change from the Steelers so far when Tomlin and others said there would be.

jeemie wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:37 pm

When Jim Rooney talked about Tomlin "overachieving" with what he had, he might not have noticed that nearly half the teams in the NFL finished with 9 or more wins. And that's been happening for a few years now.

The NFL is a few great teams, a few bad teams, and the muddled middle.

The Steelers' spot on the periphery of the playoffs is a very crowded spot, and several teams underneath them at that spot are making strides to get better.

And nary a single change from the Steelers so far when Tomlin and others said there would be.

About the only advantage we have over the rest of the muddled middle is that we're the only ones that really, really want to be there.

jeemie wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:37 pm

When Jim Rooney talked about Tomlin "overachieving" with what he had, he might not have noticed that nearly half the teams in the NFL finished with 9 or more wins. And that's been happening for a few years now.

The NFL is a few great teams, a few bad teams, and the muddled middle.

The Steelers' spot on the periphery of the playoffs is a very crowded spot, and several teams underneath them at that spot are making strides to get better.

And nary a single change from the Steelers so far when Tomlin and others said there would be.

The day of the wildcard the expansion was a day even greater for Tomlin than the birth of his first child.

Without it, we wouldn’t even be one and done.

Professor Half Wit wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 23, 2025 3:28 pm

jeemie wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:37 pm

When Jim Rooney talked about Tomlin "overachieving" with what he had, he might not have noticed that nearly half the teams in the NFL finished with 9 or more wins. And that's been happening for a few years now.

The NFL is a few great teams, a few bad teams, and the muddled middle.

The Steelers' spot on the periphery of the playoffs is a very crowded spot, and several teams underneath them at that spot are making strides to get better.

And nary a single change from the Steelers so far when Tomlin and others said there would be.

The day of the wildcard the expansion was a day even greater for Tomlin than the birth of his first child.

Without it, we wouldn’t even be one and done.

Yes we wouldn't have been in the playoffs in either 2021 or 2023.

Ice wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 23, 2025 12:01 pm

K_C_ wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 23, 2025 11:35 am

RemoAZ wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:47 am

@CoachDanCasey
"Modern Football in the NFL is Quarterback driven. You can look at the analytics... QB Success is a higher predictor of winning and losing than Turnover Ratio."

- Ben Johnson

https://twitter.com/CoachDanCasey/statu ... 7606151481

Not turnover ratio? OMG!

While Ben Johnson might be an offensive genius, let’s see how he handles Caleb Williams and his quirkiness.

I think Ben will have white hair by the end of next season and don’t be surprised if the Bears remain in last place.

Was having a conversation about being on the "getting rid of Tomlin train" (I think Steelerfury poasters, with a couple of exceptions, are all riding first class), and he made the standard "well, who are you going to get to replace him?" argument. I replied "Whoever we'd have wanted." He said, "but the Bears have Caleb Williams, Johnson would have chosen them regardless." Would you rather have Caleb Williams and the Bears FO/ownership or a clean slate and 15+ years of stability and job security to make it work? End of conversation.

Exactly. This would be the premier job in the league if open. They could have their pick. Did they go young with Tomlin and Cowher because they really thought those were the best candidates or because they came cheap? Would that come into play now and they were scraping bottom of the barrel to save $$?

You win big games when your linebacker intercepts a pass in your own EZ at the first half whistle, and proceeds to return it 99 yards for a touchdown. For possibly the greatest defensive play in super bowl history. A 14 point turn.

You win games when your QB throws a pass into the back of the EZ at the buzzer. A pass with a 99% degree of difficulty and a 1% chance of success, and your receiver makes one of the greatest catches in the history of the super bowl. And this play wins the game.

This is how you beat a team thats less talented than you in the SB.

Game-planning, strategy, all that paperwork and video tapes and memorizing all those symbols and lines with arrows at the end of them - thats for shleps. Games are won in the trenches when your (well not technically "your") players, who have been put in a position to fail most of the game, perform acts of superhuman ability to win the game.

It worked once so therefore it is the way.

Thank God for Tomlin's head that he's probably on a beach somewhere dreaming about Boswell's next FG to make a game 3-28 rather than paying attention to the 'elevator' noise.

Be nice if we could actually make Jibba’s head explode.

the-other-burg wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 23, 2025 11:09 pm

You win games when your QB throws a pass into the back of the EZ at the buzzer. A pass with a 99% degree of difficulty and a 1% chance of success, and your receiver makes one of the greatest catches in the history of the super bowl. And this play wins the game.

Thanks so much for reminding me. Ive noticed the longer this goes on with Tomlin, the more often I think about how much of Bens talent was misused, wasted or never even seen. I'll probably always wonder what he could have accomplished with a different set of coaches.

jeemie wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:37 pm

When Jim Rooney talked about Tomlin "overachieving" with what he had, he might not have noticed that nearly half the teams in the NFL finished with 9 or more wins. And that's been happening for a few years now.

The NFL is a few great teams, a few bad teams, and the muddled middle.

The Steelers' spot on the periphery of the playoffs is a very crowded spot, and several teams underneath them at that spot are making strides to get better.

And nary a single change from the Steelers so far when Tomlin and others said there would be.

There is something to be said for a team overachieving. But if you constantly need to “overachieve” to just to be chronically middle of the pack then you got serious problems. Why aren’t the Rooneys asking what is preventing us from getting better? Assistants coaches come and go, players come and go, but essentially there is one constant.

SteelPro wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:05 pm

There is something to be said for a team overachieving. But if you constantly need to “overachieve” to just to be chronically middle of the pack then you got serious problems. Why aren’t the Rooneys asking what is preventing us from getting better? Assistants coaches come and go, players come and go, but essentially there is one constant.

For the other 31 teams, after 3 years (sometimes sooner), the coach OWNS the player talent. Really, after year 1 or 2 he also OWNS his coaching staff.

So, clearly, Tomlin is accountable for both the talent and coaching staff. "Overachieved" is an excuse that should only be allowed for a 1st or 2nd year coach who hasn't had a chance to fully shape his staff and roster yet.

Everyone claiming Tomlin has "overachieved" year after year is actually criticizing him. Except Rooney, apparently. Consistently "overachieving" with the roster you have implicitly means you're underachieving on drafting and developing players. Which, for a HC, is at least half the job. Many of us have claimed the scheme and coaching suboptimizes and fails to develop player talent.

I thought Art II was a dumbass, his brother is a moron as well.

Are they all this stupid? Rich kids never working a day in their life. Shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves.

SteelPro wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 24, 2025 1:05 pm

jeemie wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:37 pm

When Jim Rooney talked about Tomlin "overachieving" with what he had, he might not have noticed that nearly half the teams in the NFL finished with 9 or more wins. And that's been happening for a few years now.

The NFL is a few great teams, a few bad teams, and the muddled middle.

The Steelers' spot on the periphery of the playoffs is a very crowded spot, and several teams underneath them at that spot are making strides to get better.

And nary a single change from the Steelers so far when Tomlin and others said there would be.

There is something to be said for a team overachieving. But if you constantly need to “overachieve” to just to be chronically middle of the pack then you got serious problems. Why aren’t the Rooneys asking what is preventing us from getting better? Assistants coaches come and go, players come and go, but essentially there is one constant.

Because Jim Rooney basically said ownership is happy to be doing better than the mean.

Now, either he agrees with his brother...or he said this subversively to try and shake things up.

If the latter...it was too subtle. People need to be smashed over the head to understand how fucked up the Steelers are right now.