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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Tue Apr 15, 2025 4:02 am

Here’s my likely last mock this year. If you don’t follow it you will regret it.

I outdraft you guys every year


Trade
Low Watt 2 2026 3
Pickens 3 2026 5


21. Kenneth Grant DL Michigan
Low Watt / Tyleik Williams DL OSU
83. Ashton Gillotte OLB Louisville
Pickens / Donte Thornton WR Tennessee
123. Damien Martinez RB Miami
156. Montrell Johnson RB Florida
185. Maliq Carr TE Houston
229. KJ Jefferson QB UCF

- Unload cap killer
- Upgrade DL with top talent
- Upgrade RB with speed and power
- Add freaks at OLB WR TE
- Take a late flyer on a toolsy QB that could easily return much better draft capital with even just a few good showings
- Add trade up ammo for a possible QB upgrade next year


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Post by gojira5150 » Tue Apr 15, 2025 6:35 pm

SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Tue Apr 15, 2025 4:02 am
Here’s my likely last mock this year. If you don’t follow it you will regret it.

I outdraft you guys every year


Trade
Low Watt 2 2026 3
Pickens 3 2026 5


21. Kenneth Grant DL Michigan
Low Watt / Tyleik Williams DL OSU
83. Ashton Gillotte OLB Louisville
Pickens / Donte Thornton WR Tennessee
123. Damien Martinez RB Miami
156. Montrell Johnson RB Florida
185. Maliq Carr TE Houston
229. KJ Jefferson QB UCF

- Unload cap killer
- Upgrade DL with top talent
- Upgrade RB with speed and power
- Add freaks at OLB WR TE
- Take a late flyer on a toolsy QB that could easily return much better draft capital with even just a few good showings
- Add trade up ammo for a possible QB upgrade next year
What do you think of TreVeyon Henderson. Dude has some crazy breakaway speed, vision and makes dude miss in open field. Also can catch out of backfield. Homerun hitter
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Post by Steelperch » Tue Apr 15, 2025 11:29 pm

Two nose tackle defense?

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Post by Ice » Tue Apr 15, 2025 11:48 pm

I could easily deal with this haul, especially if Grant can swing outside to DE... I'd like some more interior rush out of the two DTs, but Williams has actually been sneaky good at it throughout his Buckeye career. Add those 2026 picks to our probable upcoming comps, and we're in good shape to trade up for QB next year.

Henderson would be great, but STD has worn me down that our offense would probably break not only him, but any of the others of the growing list of speed back prospects we've brought in over the last week or so. Odd to see the fascination. Maybe if we'd hired Ben Johnson.

All in all, a solid group leaving us with a lot of 2026 flexibility with picks and cap.
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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:45 am

gojira5150 wrote:
Tue Apr 15, 2025 6:35 pm
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Tue Apr 15, 2025 4:02 am
Here’s my likely last mock this year. If you don’t follow it you will regret it.

I outdraft you guys every year


Trade
Low Watt 2 2026 3
Pickens 3 2026 5


21. Kenneth Grant DL Michigan
Low Watt / Tyleik Williams DL OSU
83. Ashton Gillotte OLB Louisville
Pickens / Donte Thornton WR Tennessee
123. Damien Martinez RB Miami
156. Montrell Johnson RB Florida
185. Maliq Carr TE Houston
229. KJ Jefferson QB UCF

- Unload cap killer
- Upgrade DL with top talent
- Upgrade RB with speed and power
- Add freaks at OLB WR TE
- Take a late flyer on a toolsy QB that could easily return much better draft capital with even just a few good showings
- Add trade up ammo for a possible QB upgrade next year
What do you think of TreVeyon Henderson. Dude has some crazy breakaway speed, vision and makes dude miss in open field. Also can catch out of backfield. Homerun hitter
Truthfully…..5’10 207 ….I immediately ignored him for the Steelers initially …..then looked at some vids after Ice was pimping him and if I was running the Steelers offense id have no problem using him effectively but I guarantee you the Steelers will pound him in between the guards or run very poorly executed jet sweeps 80% + and have him in the hot tub more than on the field
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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Wed Apr 16, 2025 5:11 am

Steelperch wrote:
Tue Apr 15, 2025 11:29 pm
Two nose tackle defense?
- I think both of those guys COULD play at least 2 and probably all 3 DL spots at least ok if not great
- I see no reason to think Cam or Benton should be here much longer. I think the rest of the DL sucks even more. Ideally I’d like to see the Steelers become much more of a wave DL team and not just rely on the same 3 guys all game. Suffice to say I think this team has PLENTY of room for potentially dominating players. I think the Steelers need at least 5 top quality DL quickly.
- I think the Steelers struggles to stop the run are the absolute first thing they gotta get back to succeeding at. When they can’t stop the run the OLBs are that much more hampered in trying to make plays otherwise. I think those two offer acceptable pass defense and better than average run defense at worst.
- Imo the Steelers drafting has fallen off a cliff for a long while now. Doubling up isn’t a bad approach for a team struggling in all areas. I think the Steelers often try to fill 7 holes with 7 draft picks. I’d rather see them double up on heavy talent years at some positions and try to guarantee at least some holes get notably better fast. Just three starters per draft turns over almost the entire starting roster in 7 years. I can live with that. Particularly if we are making serious efforts at opportune times.
- At those spots in the draft I feel pretty comfortable with what those guys can do AND more importantly that the Steelers will know what to do with them. Imo WR TE are absolutely not for the Steelers in 1 and 2. RB should be too unless you’re convinced they are Derrick Henry Earl Campbell Walter Payton types. QB should probably be there too but you don’t get a transcendent QB without grabbing one in the first.
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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Wed Apr 16, 2025 5:11 am

Ice wrote:
Tue Apr 15, 2025 11:48 pm
I could easily deal with this haul, especially if Grant can swing outside to DE... I'd like some more interior rush out of the two DTs, but Williams has actually been sneaky good at it throughout his Buckeye career. Add those 2026 picks to our probable upcoming comps, and we're in good shape to trade up for QB next year.

Henderson would be great, but STD has worn me down that our offense would probably break not only him, but any of the others of the growing list of speed back prospects we've brought in over the last week or so. Odd to see the fascination. Maybe if we'd hired Ben Johnson.

All in all, a solid group leaving us with a lot of 2026 flexibility with picks and cap.
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Post by Deebo » Wed Apr 16, 2025 12:39 pm

SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Wed Apr 16, 2025 5:11 am
Steelperch wrote:
Tue Apr 15, 2025 11:29 pm
Two nose tackle defense?

- I see no reason to think Cam or Benton should be here much longer. I think the rest of the DL sucks even more. Ideally I’d like to see the Steelers become much more of a wave DL team and not just rely on the same 3 guys all game. Suffice to say I think this team has PLENTY of room for potentially dominating players. I think the Steelers need at least 5 top quality DL quickly.
- I think the Steelers struggles to stop the run are the absolute first thing they gotta get back to succeeding at. When they can’t stop the run the OLBs are that much more hampered in trying to make plays otherwise. I think those two offer acceptable pass defense and better than average run defense at worst.
Tomlin still runs this defense like it's 2010. The game has changed considerably.

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Post by Ice » Wed Apr 16, 2025 2:12 pm

After Cam and Benton, the rest of the DL sucks to the point that they aren't relevant to a discussion on the DL, and Benton is another bad year from needing tossed in that same chum bucket.

I had "probably" there for their relevancy and deleted it.
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Post by jebrick » Wed Apr 16, 2025 2:20 pm

Grant is more 3 tech than nose tackle. I do not see him becoming much more than Benson in this defense. If they just want a NT this draft is absurdly deep in run stoppers who have a limited pass rush. I would have look at Collins, if you thought he was there in the 2nd or even Nolan in the 1st. No need to spend a 2nd on a NT in this draft.

Thorton has the build but I will question some players on the Tenn Gimmicky offense. I think the 3rd is really high for him.

Love Martinez. I think he goes in the 2nd or 3rd but YMMV
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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:21 pm

Deebo wrote:
Wed Apr 16, 2025 12:39 pm
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Wed Apr 16, 2025 5:11 am
Steelperch wrote:
Tue Apr 15, 2025 11:29 pm
Two nose tackle defense?

- I see no reason to think Cam or Benton should be here much longer. I think the rest of the DL sucks even more. Ideally I’d like to see the Steelers become much more of a wave DL team and not just rely on the same 3 guys all game. Suffice to say I think this team has PLENTY of room for potentially dominating players. I think the Steelers need at least 5 top quality DL quickly.
- I think the Steelers struggles to stop the run are the absolute first thing they gotta get back to succeeding at. When they can’t stop the run the OLBs are that much more hampered in trying to make plays otherwise. I think those two offer acceptable pass defense and better than average run defense at worst.
Tomlin still runs this defense like it's 2010. The game has changed considerably.
Not really


Still gotta stop the run first and foremost
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Post by Deebo » Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:23 pm

SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:21 pm
Deebo wrote:
Wed Apr 16, 2025 12:39 pm
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Wed Apr 16, 2025 5:11 am



- I see no reason to think Cam or Benton should be here much longer. I think the rest of the DL sucks even more. Ideally I’d like to see the Steelers become much more of a wave DL team and not just rely on the same 3 guys all game. Suffice to say I think this team has PLENTY of room for potentially dominating players. I think the Steelers need at least 5 top quality DL quickly.
- I think the Steelers struggles to stop the run are the absolute first thing they gotta get back to succeeding at. When they can’t stop the run the OLBs are that much more hampered in trying to make plays otherwise. I think those two offer acceptable pass defense and better than average run defense at worst.
Tomlin still runs this defense like it's 2010. The game has changed considerably.
Not really


Still gotta stop the run first and foremost
I think you misunderstood my post.

Tomlin runs his defense without adjustments. He's committed to playing Cam and TJ almost 100% of the snaps in the exact same alignment regardless of what the opposition is doing to counter his best defensive players.

We make it so easy for opposing offenses (and defenses).

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Post by 955876 » Wed Apr 16, 2025 6:20 pm

Deebo wrote:
Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:23 pm
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:21 pm
Deebo wrote:
Wed Apr 16, 2025 12:39 pm


Tomlin still runs this defense like it's 2010. The game has changed considerably.
Not really


Still gotta stop the run first and foremost
I think you misunderstood my post.

Tomlin runs his defense without adjustments. He's committed to playing Cam and TJ almost 100% of the snaps in the exact same alignment regardless of what the opposition is doing to counter his best defensive players.

We make it so easy for opposing offenses (and defenses).
This….

Do what we do. Game planning is for dummies. TJ just needs to beat his man. Or the 2-3 men they allocated to block him.

It’s why his defense gets its shit pushed in once the playoffs roll around.

The opposing coaches say look, TJ does this 99.9% of the time and they never deviate.

We will do this to counter.

Meanwhile, Jibba Jabber spent his time matching aviators to whichever necklace he decides to sport that week and coming up with cool new catch phrases he can use after yet another blowout loss.
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