Tomlin's record without Ben

[Stlcrtn1974]

46–48–1
Didn't remember seeing this posted, he really is medicore Mike.

[TTP]

This is not accurate.

Tomlin's overall record: 188-111-1
Record with Ben: 136-70-1 (.660 W%)
Without Ben: 52-41-1 (.559 W%)

Post season:
Overall: 8-11
With Ben: 8-9
Without Ben: 0-2

[Steelafan77]

Either way not impressive unless you enjoy mediocrity.

Those post season numbers should eliminate teflon from HoF eligibility IMHO.

[Stlcrtn1974]

This is not accurate.

Tomlin's overall record: 188-111-1
Record with Ben: 136-70-1 (.660 W%)
Without Ben: 52-41-1 (.559 W%)

Post season:
Overall: 8-11
With Ben: 8-9
Without Ben: 0-2

Thanks for correcting, I heard Joe Starkey mentioning this earlier in the week and asked ai, guess it doesn't know everything.

[955876]

Either way not impressive unless you enjoy mediocrity.

Those post season numbers should eliminate teflon from HoF eligibility IMHO.

You know full well the diversity hire is going to get into the HOF.

And by then, they will make him sound like the greatest coach in history.

[Stillchest]

Either way not impressive unless you enjoy mediocrity.

Those post season numbers should eliminate teflon from HoF eligibility IMHO.

You know full well the diversity hire is going to get into the HOF.

And by then, they will make him sound like the greatest coach in history.

Yep! Sadly, that's where we are in society.

All those black, ex-players ball washing Tomlin each week....never holding him accountable for the team's failures, even if we know, what the common denominator has been for years.

[CoolShades]

Either way not impressive unless you enjoy mediocrity.

Those post season numbers should eliminate teflon from HoF eligibility IMHO.

You know full well the diversity hire is going to get into the HOF.

And by then, they will make him sound like the greatest coach in history.

He should not get in.

I will do whatever I can to get his record out in the proper context.

One Super Bowl victory. A miracle win, beating a 9-7 team with 2 of the most amazing plays in Super Bowl history. He does not win that game without Harrison’s amazing pick 6 and the great drive by Ben and Santonio, ending with the iconic toe-tap catch.

If mediocre Mike gets in, how do you keep out other deserving coaches?

Say Marty Schottenheimer?

Marty’s track record was phenomenal. He turned around every team he coached, and he wasn’t gifted a Super Bowl roster and a franchise QB either. Look at his coaching record. It’s amazing.

In 21 years, he was 200 - 126 - 1

He took over a 1-7 Browns team mid season and finished 4 - 4. The next season he went 8 - 8 before going

12 - 4
10 - 6
10 - 6 before being fired for postseason failures.

He heads to KC, where he took over a 4 - 11 - 1 team and turned it around to 8 - 7 - 1 his first year. He then went

11 - 5
10 - 6
10 - 6
11 - 5
9 - 7
13 - 3
9 - 7
13 - 3
7 - 9 when he was let go.

Joined the 8- 8 Redskins for a single season and went

8 - 8

Then went to a 5 - 11 SD team and promptly went

8 - 8
4 - 12
12 - 4
9 - 7
14 - 2

And then fired for the last time.

But the man could turn around a bad franchise and build it into a winner. He did it 3 times. He won 5 different CotY awards. (Tomlin? He has taken a SB caliber roster, coaching staff, culture and young franchise QB and rode it into Mediocre Mountain. He can’t build. He’s proving it right now.)

Yes, Marty’s playoff record sucks, but so does mediocre Mike’s. And Marty had some bad luck, especially in Cleveland. He should have gone to at least 2 Super Bowls. But that’s what happens when you play “not to lose”, which was Marty’s Achilles Heel.

Marty also has an actual coaching tree. Mediocre Mike has a Festivus pole.

So Mediocre Mike has that Super Bowl you say? And championships are what count?

Ok, then... what about Tom Coughlin? He has 2 rings, and he beat the best offensive team I ever saw in the 2007 undefeated Patriots. Coughlin ALSO has a winning postseason record at 12-7 and was Coach of the Year in 1996. Mediocre Mike? No CotY and is 8-11 in the postseason and counting. He is one more playoff loss away from turning into Cool Shades Marvin Lewis.

I know the bug-eyed turd will get in. We all have to celebrate his diversity. After all, he really struggled working for the Rooney’s, who were always up his ass about results. The pressure he endured! Oh the humanity!

I will say one thing about the Rooney Rule. Without it, Mediocre Mike does not sniff an NFL HC job. He was at the right place at the right time, and used his power of rhetoric to make the Rooney Rule patriarch hard. If this fraud makes it to Canton, the Rooney Rule should be mentioned in the first line on his plaque.

Eat a bag of dicks, Teflon.

[955876]

I certainly don’t want him making it.

I’d say I’d bet you but when we add up all the years he will still coach, the time in between when he can be eligible, maybe not making ifirst time etc we could be waiting forever on that.

[Dan Smith--BYU]

If Tomlin gets in and Boswell doesn't there is no justice in the world only tribalism.

Tomlin's acceptance speech likely will not even mention Boswell, given that he is so full of himself.

[CKSteeler]

I know the bug-eyed turd will get in. We all have to celebrate his diversity. After all, he really struggled working for the Rooney’s, who were always up his ass about results. The pressure he endured! Oh the humanity!

This one made me laugh because Tomlin really has had a charmed existence coaching for the Steelers and Rooney's. He got the Super Bowl right off the bat because he inherited a team stock full of talent pretty much everywhere. Didn't even have to hire his own coordinators. No real pressure has ever been applied to him.

Compare this to Bill DeBartolo, Jr. pressured and demanded so much of him even AFTER he won had won 2 Super Bowls and was in the midst of claiming his 3rd that Walsh felt fried by the end of his final season with the 49er's. 10-6 wasn't good enough and he had the owner up his ass all season long. He had threatened to fire him repeatedly over the years, stripped him of the team president title. Guy had revolutionized the game of football, built a dynasty, had every other team in the league just about looking to steal one of his underlings etc.

And it was never enough for DeBartolo. Walsh nearly stepped away prior to his final retirement because of it.

Greatness is really never "fun." The people who achieve it don't enjoy themselves. They agonize over it. The relationship with between Art II and Tomlin, along with Tomlin's own intellectual laziness, is antithetical to what it actually takes to accomplish greatness. When you hear players talk about how much they enjoy playing for Tomlin year after year despite the shitty results, it's probably the biggest indictment there is of him and the culture he's built.

I can't think of a single great sports team that had sustained success in which there wasn't a shit ton of friction. Guys like Tomlin pay lipservice to this notion when it's convenient like to mask the emotional and mental immaturity of putzes like George Pickens, but the reality is that there is none of the kind that matters on his team. And Tomlin would have no stomach for working for an owner who demanded greatness of him instead of 9-8 anymore than the players he's developed over the years would stomach him if he demanded it of them. Tomlin doesn't have the drive someone like Walsh had, and there sure as shit isn't any external pressure on him at this stage that would pull it out of him. And this extends down. Tomlin never reached his full potential anymore than Roethlisberger did or just about any player on this team has. A nutcase like Antonio Brown is one of the few exceptions pre-implosion.

Tomlin stays in his job year after year because it's relatively fucking easy for him. There's probably not a head coach in the league with a less stressful and demanding existence.

I'm loath to say Tomlin is flat-out lazy given he probably works long hours compared to most human beings. But compared to his peers, and based on what he's paid and what the profession demands? Yea, he's fucking lazy by comparison. Intellectually and physically. Guy is on record as only watching the last 4 fucking games his opponents played. That's just mind boggling in the modern NFL.

I could go on. But that's just my own thoughts.

[SteelerDayTrader]

For me the HOF quit holding much relevance a while ago. There doesn’t seem to be much consistency while at the same time there seems to be a push to spread the glory around

Tomlin is 53.

Unless something unforeseen happens I’m gonna go ahead and say the next 10 years are all but guaranteed

I seriously won’t be one bit surprised if he coaches the Steelers well into his 70s


The NFL was one of the first entities to hit peak capitalism and imo everything we’ve seen since has been in some manner the NFL trying to navigate that

[Steelafan77]

I am quoted above in a post I did not scribe.

Please revise your post correcting the quoted comment to the original author.

Thank you.

[stillthere]

Joined the 8- 8 Redskins for a single season and went

8 - 8

I think they were 1-7 when he took over and they finished 7-1 for a record of 8-8 for the season. Then Dan Snyder got involved.

[CoolShades]

Joined the 8- 8 Redskins for a single season and went

8 - 8

I think they were 1-7 when he took over and they finished 7-1 for a record of 8-8 for the season. Then Dan Snyder got involved.

Wow! That’s even more amazing! I just pulled the data from pro football reference, and I didn’t remember that one season he spent with the Redskins. I had no context at all. I’ll see if I can find some details on that season.

Marty was the king of keep it close and play not to lose. Cowher adopted a ton of Marty habits, which is why he struggled so much until Ben got to Pittsburgh. Marty was an amazing coach.

[stillthere]

Joined the 8- 8 Redskins for a single season and went

8 - 8

I think they were 1-7 when he took over and they finished 7-1 for a record of 8-8 for the season. Then Dan Snyder got involved.

Wow! That’s even more amazing! I just pulled the data from pro football reference, and I didn’t remember that one season he spent with the Redskins. I had no context at all. I’ll see if I can find some details on that season.

Marty was the king of keep it close and play not to lose. Cowher adopted a ton of Marty habits, which is why he struggled so much until Ben got to Pittsburgh. Marty was an amazing coach.

I am pretty sure it was LaVarr Arrington's rookie year. Everyone thought "Oh great Marty has a new Derrick Thomas"

[.Kodiak]

At the end of the day, we're all just talking about a former porn star on Entourage that kind of looked like Sinn Sage