It’s up to Tomlin to leave?

[Steelafan77]

The title is a snippet of a new article from the Trib this morning.

Like him or not Benz nailed this whole “Teflon can’t be fired” narrative supported by media and apologist talking heads.

In the link below the article touches on the controversy surrounding the Steelers.

In the article Benz outlines why fraudlin can and could be fired. I believe this is where most if, not all Steeler fans are.

Discuss….

Link here: https://triblive.com/sports/tim-benz-th ... o-end-now/

[langer]

You just can’t get rid of a guy like Fidel Castro. You just can’t. Ot should be on him when he wants to leave.

[tbsteel]

They're basically forcing the fans to openly revolt. Hopefully the "Fire Tomlin" chants are just the start of it.

If the situation is untenable going forward (which it is), and ownership doesn't have the guts to step in and make a change (which seems possible to likely), the only way to see change realized is for the fans to make Tomlin's life so miserable that he wants out.

So if that's what they want, f it, let's get it done. More booing of Renegade, let's throw a bunch of trash on the field after the next 3 and out, take a dump in Tomlin's front lawn, etc.

[CKSteeler]

They're basically forcing the fans to openly revolt. Hopefully the "Fire Tomlin" chants are just the start of it.

If the situation is untenable going forward (which it is), and ownership doesn't have the guts to step in and make a change (which seems possible to likely), the only way to see change realized is for the fans to make Tomlin's life so miserable that he wants out.

So if that's what they want, f it, let's get it done. More booing of Renegade, let's throw a bunch of trash on the field after the next 3 and out, take a dump in Tomlin's front lawn, etc.

Be careful taking that dump. Dino and his boys may be coming back from the club to catch you taking that dump and you may get popped.

[Steeldrama]

Tomlin?

Leave??

Voluntarily???

Because of being booed and some lame ass chants to fire him????

Are you serious?????

Nope

Too prideful

Too cool

Tomlin is a lot of things but he doesn't strike me as the type to tuck tail and run.

ACTUALLY fire him?

Rooney doesn't have the balls

[.Kodiak]

While I still think the path to NHALS is likely, I think if Tomlin comes back next year the wheels come off. They will HAVE to play Howard to see what he has, because I'm not convinced they draft a QB. Even if they do, you really don't want an R1 pick thrown into a trial by fire with Tomlin and Arthur Smith (will Tomlin fire both coordinators in one offseason? I don't think so).

The old FAs are all washed. TJ and Cam will be another year older. On this KC is right - if Tomlin is back next year it's going to be really ugly. 6-11 over their last 17 games, and 6-11 next year looks like a decent bet.

[.Kodiak]

Because of being booed and some lame ass chants to fire him????

Are you serious?????

Nope

Too prideful

Too cool

Tomlin is a lot of things but he doesn't strike me as the type to tuck tail and run.

I was just wondering what it might look like if Tomlin tried to kick his ultra conservatism and innovate and get aggressive. But isn't that kind of what he did this year on defense? They were so proud of their "schemes". Tomlin is nowhere near the strategist nor tactician that gets the most out of his players. His teams don't "overachieve", they consistently unde-rperform.

Tomlin is a simpleton who's football IQ is little more than table stakes to coach in the NFL. Somehow he parlayed that into a HC gig because Rooney thought he discovered another Cowher.

[langer]

Because of being booed and some lame ass chants to fire him????

I dunno but an entire stadium on prime time tv soing that could be something that has an impact.

[Deebo]

They're basically forcing the fans to openly revolt. Hopefully the "Fire Tomlin" chants are just the start of it.

If the situation is untenable going forward (which it is), and ownership doesn't have the guts to step in and make a change (which seems possible to likely), the only way to see change realized is for the fans to make Tomlin's life so miserable that he wants out.

So if that's what they want, f it, let's get it done. More booing of Renegade, let's throw a bunch of trash on the field after the next 3 and out, take a dump in Tomlin's front lawn, etc.

Rooney and Tomlin have to be thanking their lucky stars this game is in Baltimore and not primetime. 2 week in a row of Fire Tomlin would really bring the heat on.

[langer]

Got the Fins at home on MNF in two weeks. At Lions which could be almost a home game depending but is a late game. Achan is a strong runner.

And the Lions looked strong last night, strange team. That could be a real blowout if the loser Steelers show up. The Cryboys gave up in the end.

Coach has to be dreading it. Lol.

[Charles Demarr]

A terrorist holding this once proud franchise hostage.

[Charles Demarr]

Got the Fins at home on MNF in two weeks. At Lions which could be almost a home game depending but is a late game. Achan is a strong runner.

And the Lions looked strong last night, strange team. That could be a real blowout if the loser Steelers show up. The Cryboys gave up in the end.

Coach has to be dreading it. Lol.

The Lions will drop 35+ on the Steelers. That line will open Steelers +8.5. Easy win for Detroit and those fans don't sell their tickets. It will be 80/20 at Ford Field.

2-3 the rest of the way is the ceiling but I could see them dropping one of the games against Miami or Cleveland.

[.Kodiak]

Looking forward to winning the AFCN at 8-9....and then all the chest thumping about it's a new season and they got a lottery ticket!

...and probably hosting the Bills

[Gonzo]

so many things to say

as for NHALS now, this whole season will come down to the ravens games and its up to Harbaugh. If he mistakenly decides again that he will engage in a slopfest with Pittsburgh - Pitt has a chance to win. If he is creative like in playoff games the steelers will lose. this weekend is IT I think. if the steelers lose that will be 3 straight and the wheels WILL fall off for the rest of the way .. they will get smashed by the Lions and lose one of the two with the browns and dolphins. last game against ravens likely wont matter

best quote from that article was -- "After 18 full seasons — 14 of which have ended without a playoff victory." The refusal of anyone to really discuss this is insane.

Benz is rght .... but we all know why Ben, Eisen, Clark etc ... say what they do. Because its a close-knit business and for commentators/reporters that includes access and avoiding scrutiny themselves. same crap happens in business -- roundabout comments that take a position but attempt to distance the person from direct attack.

also, I do believe the draft being in Pittsburgh does change the dynamic a bit especially as we have many picks. Tomlin only has one year left on contract after this one ... right? If they are going to try to rebuild at all ... why would you do so with a potential lame duck.

I have flopped back and forth but believe now if they dont make playoffs he will be gone -- because he has failed but mostly because they likely will opt for a a new start and building new excitement from the draft with a new regime and not a potential lame duck. I think Khan may go as well -- or maybe better I think he should go.

If for some reason Tomlin stays -- you can bet your house that he will fire both coordinators, blame alot on them and the veterans that he will jettison, and they will go get a FA QB ... Howard will not start nor will a drafted Rookie. Thats why his staying is truly horrible and Rooney is asking for Fan Trouble with that move

[955876]

What do we call the type of privilege Jibba is being given?

It is beyond sickening and pathetic that so many bend themselves into pretzels trying to justify why this man can’t or shouldn’t be fired.

1 Super Bowl victory 17 years ago gives him this much security?

Nonsense.

As it has been so accurately stated, if the Patriots can move on from Bill Belichick then the Pittsburgh Steelers can move on from one hit wonder Mike Jibba Jabber Tomlin.

He’s literally the Billy Ray Cyrus of NFL coaches. Man delivered one hit and milked that into a decades long career

[Gonzo]

and I am with Drama -- Tomlin isnt going to yield to Fan sentiment.

First, he thinks he knows better and is right and he is a victim of poor execution and bad luck - he will never ever never admit fault
Second, 20m is 20m
Third, IMO his HoF legacy now is more tied to longetivity in one spot then any real success (as he doesnt really have the latter anymore)

If Tomlin goes, it will be because ownership forced him out and they will let him craft/brand his exit anyway he wants - especially as they also have a personal and organizational interest in promoting him (and their three coach history) as a success

and, as I said above ... I agree that Rooney would normally just let him coach out the contract. All the draft picks, matched with a draft in Pittsburgh, plus a whole cadre of older players about to be done (leading to a new build) -- changes that dymanic.

I wouldnt be surprised if all this media wash about Tomlin only leaveson his own terms isnt actually prep work by Rooney and/or Tomlin

[DumlinBumlinStumlin]

When Eisen is here. He’s basically telling us Mike is also at the end of his tenure and how to go about stopping…. Like asking for a friend…..mikes mindset is the same


He’s been the insider the most and friends

NFL Network personality and renowned Tomlin apologist Rich Eisen: “I am wondering if everybody goes back to their separate corners and decides that’s where we’re going to stay. In separate corners. And that the Steelers and the Tomlin administration are over,” Eisen said Monday. “I’m not laying this on the coach. I think the coach is as dynamite as they come. I wonder if he’s sitting around wondering, ‘This isn’t working for me.’”

[Steeldrama]

“I’m not laying this on the coach. I think the coach is as dynamite as they come. I wonder if he’s sitting around wondering, ‘This isn’t working for me.’”

Dick Eisen

Not even close

This isn't working for me?

This isn't working for MEEEE??

Holy backwards, DICK

How about Rich's boy Tomlin look in the mirror and figure the fuck out what's not working of US!

How about a "Hey, maybeee I should scrap this stupid U shaped, FED EX, risk adverse offense and hire a modern day OC?"

How about a "Hey, maybeee I should fire the puppet into the sun and hire a legit DC and leave him the FUCK ALONE to run his defense?"

How about a "Hey, maybeee it's time I stop with the Tomlinisms and start acting like a PROFESSIONAL, NFL, HEAD COACH?"

How about a "Hey, maybeee it's time to win at LEAST one playoff game instead of getting boat raced by the Blake Bortles and Tim Tebows of the world?"

This isn't working for me?

This isn't working for MEEEE??

YOU'RE NOT WORKING FOR YOU, ya half a meatball

Ya did it to YOURSELF

[StillerDownSouth]

Duece needs to grow a pair and clean house, Monday after the season fire them all!!!

[DumlinBumlinStumlin]

They're basically forcing the fans to openly revolt. Hopefully the "Fire Tomlin" chants are just the start of it.

If the situation is untenable going forward (which it is), and ownership doesn't have the guts to step in and make a change (which seems possible to likely), the only way to see change realized is for the fans to make Tomlin's life so miserable that he wants out.

So if that's what they want, f it, let's get it done. More booing of Renegade, let's throw a bunch of trash on the field after the next 3 and out, take a dump in Tomlin's front lawn, etc.

Be careful taking that dump. Dino and his boys may be coming back from the club to catch you taking that dump and you may get popped.

Let’s publish his address

[DumlinBumlinStumlin]

Another variable I think Poni mentioned this week was does Rooney want a half million people booing Tomlin for the draft? Think about that

We don’t want Tomlin drafting one more idiot

[langer]

its up to Harbaugh

Hm, wonder if he will be pulled aside and given a talking to.

I can see it. Like Brazil 2008, Timo Glock somehow losing grip just at the exact moment that allowed the Jesus-like Sir Lewis Hamilton to parade on by for his first WC.

[DumlinBumlinStumlin]

so many things to say

as for NHALS now, this whole season will come down to the ravens games and its up to Harbaugh. If he mistakenly decides again that he will engage in a slopfest with Pittsburgh - Pitt has a chance to win. If he is creative like in playoff games the steelers will lose. this weekend is IT I think. if the steelers lose that will be 3 straight and the wheels WILL fall off for the rest of the way .. they will get smashed by the Lions and lose one of the two with the browns and dolphins. last game against ravens likely wont matter

best quote from that article was -- "After 18 full seasons — 14 of which have ended without a playoff victory." The refusal of anyone to really discuss this is insane.

Benz is rght .... but we all know why Ben, Eisen, Clark etc ... say what they do. Because its a close-knit business and for commentators/reporters that includes access and avoiding scrutiny themselves. same crap happens in business -- roundabout comments that take a position but attempt to distance the person from direct attack.

also, I do believe the draft being in Pittsburgh does change the dynamic a bit especially as we have many picks. Tomlin only has one year left on contract after this one ... right? If they are going to try to rebuild at all ... why would you do so with a potential lame duck.

I have flopped back and forth but believe now if they dont make playoffs he will be gone -- because he has failed but mostly because they likely will opt for a a new start and building new excitement from the draft with a new regime and not a potential lame duck. I think Khan may go as well -- or maybe better I think he should go.

If for some reason Tomlin stays -- you can bet your house that he will fire both coordinators, blame alot on them and the veterans that he will jettison, and they will go get a FA QB ... Howard will not start nor will a drafted Rookie. Thats why his staying is truly horrible and Rooney is asking for Fan Trouble with that move

missed your post, as i mentioned this visual. Why would we want him to eternally fuck us like Colbert did

Opportunity - massive cash influx due to draft in the Burgh, new coach, attitude, lots of picks for a new regime to start with, the Cards are lining up

BLOW IT THE FUCK UP ROONEY

[955876]

Duece needs to grow a pair and clean house, Monday after the season fire them all!!!

He’s a coward. Guarantee he wants stability for his precious draft in Pittsburgh.

He wants to be able to hand his coach a QB so they can act like that’s all that’s been holding Jibbs back.

They will gaslight the fans as long as humanly possible.

Or, he will move on from Jibbs only to hire some safe turd that will do things just like Tomlin.

Dunce needs to go as much as Jibba does.

Fuck then both.

[Dan Smith--BYU]

I just finished the America's Team documentary on Netflix.

Say what you want about Jones, he is a visionary and not a coward like Art 2. He also doesn't give a fuck if people don't like him.

Art 2 needs at this point to do the equivalent of firing Tom Landry (Tomlin wishes he were a fraction of that great coach) and the Herschel Walker trade for the Steelers to get out of this mediocrity hell.

But he can't because he's an agreeable dunce.

If Jerry Jones listened to the Rich Eisens of the world the 90s Cowboys would have been a perennial loser with the leagues leading rusher, a legendary coach and a pissed off Michael Irvin wanting a trade.

[.Kodiak]

What if Rooney actually fires Tomlin....and names Austin HC?

[Dan Smith--BYU]

What if Rooney actually fires Tomlin....and names Austin HC?

If it were Flores, I would applaud it.

[DumlinBumlinStumlin]

and I am with Drama -- Tomlin isnt going to yield to Fan sentiment.

First, he thinks he knows better and is right and he is a victim of poor execution and bad luck - he will never ever never admit fault
Second, 20m is 20m
Third, IMO his HoF legacy now is more tied to longetivity in one spot then any real success (as he doesnt really have the latter anymore)

If Tomlin goes, it will be because ownership forced him out and they will let him craft/brand his exit anyway he wants - especially as they also have a personal and organizational interest in promoting him (and their three coach history) as a success

and, as I said above ... I agree that Rooney would normally just let him coach out the contract. All the draft picks, matched with a draft in Pittsburgh, plus a whole cadre of older players about to be done (leading to a new build) -- changes that dymanic.

I wouldnt be surprised if all this media wash about Tomlin only leaveson his own terms isnt actually prep work by Rooney and/or Tomlin

i am ok with this angle too, theyve seemed very not alarmed at the amount of noise this year and the early amount of it. yep lets blow it up

[.Kodiak]

What if Rooney actually fires Tomlin....and names Austin HC?

If it were Flores, I would applaud it.

Tomlin would finally have his coaching tree

[Dan Smith--BYU]

Remember, there are teams that would "kill" to have Tomlin, including the Bears last year.

Wonder if any of that passion has died down in Chicago after getting sloppy seconds Ben Johnson?