Jussie Smollett Charged with False Report

[Legacy User]

As for the racist talk concerning Trump, Obama did more to set this country decades back than Trump has done.

This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read.

[alancac98]

As for the racist talk concerning Trump, Obama did more to set this country decades back than Trump has done.

This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read.

You should know as you spew a lot of stupid shit here. Go back to your couch and read your "for blind liberals only" emails that tell you what you need to believe and how to use bullshit to prove it. You only have one view - anti Trump. We all understand brainwashing and how it works.

Really, for the first time in US history a black man was elected POTUS, not once but twice. Yet, race relations took a turn for the worse while he was in office. One would think that America was beyond all of it with his elections, but it was only the beginning of a decline, particularly during his second term.

[Legacy User]

At its best Conservatism/Republicans are the champions of individual liberty. And at its best Liberalism/Democrats are the champions of the disenfranchised. And at their worst they are pretty much the same. During power grabs one will step on collections of people while the other will step on individuals collectively. We need a healthy dose of the best of both.

Going to disagree slightly.

Both left and right champion liberty on different issues and both left and right champion under represented voices on certain issues.

Conservatism and progressivism are relative to culture and the political history of the polity in question.

Conservatism by definition holds onto tradition, progressivism wants to move past it.

We need both. Conservatism is really good for holding onto what is good but conservatism will cling to tradition whether it’s for the best or not. Progressivism is good for abandoning bad traditions but progressivism is also dangerous bc it runs the risk abandoning what is good in tradition. If one does not work to temper the excesses of the other, we’ll end up in tyranny by going too far in either direction.

[Legacy User]

Really, for the first time in US history a black man was elected POTUS, not once but twice. Yet, race relations took a turn for the worse while he was in office. One would think that America was beyond all of it with his elections, but it was only the beginning of a decline, particularly during his second term.

But that doesn’t mean Obama caused the decline. That’s fallacious reasoning.

[alancac98]

doing absolutely nothing while in office except grow their bank accounts.

Trump is actively making policy decisions that directly benefit his businesses. You are utterly blind if you think he is somehow different or better in this regard than previous presidents. I just don't understand you guys.

Did you know that at least 50% of those who are long term politicians are multi-millionares? Many did not start out that way but are now. Obama was not a multi-millionares when elected to POTUS. Yet, when he left office, he was somehow worth 20+ million (somewhere near 29 million). That some damn fine coin for 8 years of service.

[alancac98]

Really, for the first time in US history a black man was elected POTUS, not once but twice. Yet, race relations took a turn for the worse while he was in office. One would think that America was beyond all of it with his elections, but it was only the beginning of a decline, particularly during his second term.

But that doesn’t mean Obama caused the decline. That’s fallacious reasoning.

But you're doing the same damn thing when you put the blame on Trump!!!

[Legacy User]

Really, for the first time in US history a black man was elected POTUS, not once but twice. Yet, race relations took a turn for the worse while he was in office. One would think that America was beyond all of it with his elections, but it was only the beginning of a decline, particularly during his second term.

But that doesn’t mean Obama caused the decline. That’s fallacious reasoning.

But you're doing the same damn thing when you put the blame on Trump!!!

Not if I give an argument that demonstrates it. But why you claim I do the same is unclear to me. I called Trump a vulgar simpleton about race relations. I did not blame him for a decline in race relations.

I primarily detest Trump bc he is a low class vulgarian. He’s too ineffectual and incompetent for me to get that mad.

[Legacy User]

As for the racist talk concerning Trump, Obama did more to set this country decades back than Trump has done.

This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read.

You should know as you spew a lot of stupid shit here. Go back to your couch and read your "for blind liberals only" emails that tell you what you need to believe and how to use bullshit to prove it. You only have one view - anti Trump. We all understand brainwashing and how it works.

Really, for the first time in US history a black man was elected POTUS, not once but twice. Yet, race relations took a turn for the worse while he was in office. One would think that America was beyond all of it with his elections, but it was only the beginning of a decline, particularly during his second term.

1) Sick burn

2) I would posit that the “decline” you’re referencing is more of a backlash. I.e., you and people like you resolved to take your country back.

[955876]

Trump is actively making policy decisions that directly benefit his businesses.

Such as?

And I’m a stickler for details.

Also, did you find it at least a lil fishy that contributions to the Clinton Foundation dried up faster than an African savanna during the dry season the moment she lost the election??

[Legacy User]

Trump is actively making policy decisions that directly benefit his businesses.

Such as?

And I’m a stickler for details.

Also, did you find it at least a lil fishy that contributions to the Clinton Foundation dried up faster than an African savanna during the dry season the moment she lost the election??

What the fuck does Hillary have to do with ANY of this?

That's the thing behind all this -- you're obsessed with your side winning. No matter what Trump does, you'll defend him and rationalize it, because you're on his team and you won.

Hillary is not president. Hillary will never be president. She is irrelevant to what is happening now.

[955876]

It’s simply relevant to the discussion. You said he is making policy decisions that are benefitting his business. I said ok, which ones. Be specific.

The Hillary comment was in reference to rich donors far and wide ceasing flows so drastically and so suddenly. A deep thinker such as you would certainly find that to be more than coincidence.

Her business is obviously politics. When she had nothing to offer anyone any longer the money vanished.

I think it’s relevant to the topic.

So when you have the specific policy decisions that are directly benefittig his business I’ll be happy to read about them...

[alancac98]

Trump is actively making policy decisions that directly benefit his businesses.

Such as?

And I’m a stickler for details.

Also, did you find it at least a lil fishy that contributions to the Clinton Foundation dried up faster than an African savanna during the dry season the moment she lost the election??

What the fuck does Hillary have to do with ANY of this?

That's the thing behind all this -- you're obsessed with your side winning. No matter what Trump does, you'll defend him and rationalize it, because you're on his team and you won.

Hillary is not president. Hillary will never be president. She is irrelevant to what is happening now.

Sounds a lot like you Wood! You're girl lost the election, so you can't stand Trump. So, in your eyes he can't do anything right and is a POS. Trump, in no way, is perfect, but you can't see anything good about him.

[alancac98]

Wood, so when I give examples of how Obama became the cause, you call it a backlash. But when you reply about Trump, it's factual and you know for sure. Got it! I'm wondering how someone can be so absolutely blind to everything. Obama's the past - it's okay to admit he wasn't the greatest thing since sliced bread.

[alancac98]

I know Lit. You would much rather have a beltway insider at the helm of the government. Hillary would have been great, right. Our country would be made of lollipops and rainbows if she were President.

[Kodiak]

Do you truly believe that bigots haven't been emboldened since Trump was elected?

I believe that's the narrative in some of the media, but not sure I've seen evidence of it. KKK-type groups have been doing marches for years, but now it's getting a lot of news coverage because antifa-types are showing up to stir things up.

What I do know is the number of white supremacy/neo-nazi/etc type groups has been declining over the past 10 years. Black Separatist groups, meanwhile, have increased significantly. As have anti-muslim groups.


I really can't believe Vince McMahon hasn't cooked something up with antifa and the alt-right. Seems like that would be a reality tv gold mine.

[Legacy User]

I know Lit. You would much rather have a beltway insider at the helm of the government. Hillary would have been great, right. Our country would be made of lollipops and rainbows if she were President.

I would settle for someone who knows what the fuck they're doing and can hire a staff and hopefully keep them from resigning in 3 weeks. There is no one in the White House who knows what the fuck they're doing since Kelly left. The whole thing with Trump is that he's new to this, but he was going to hire competent advisers. He did that (in some cases), and they all hated working for him so much that they resigned, or he fired them. This is a dumpster fire and I don't know why you guys are still clinging to it.

[R_S]

I’ll say this:
If you’re more upset about fake racism than actual racism, I think your priorities are off.

It is conjecture that people in this discussion are “more upset” about fake racism than actual racism. It’s a baseless accusation.

The topic here is about fake racism that is a national story right now. I dont see where a single poster here said or implied that real racism wasn’t as bad as what Smolletts did.

Real racism is disgusting. But that was not the topic.

I think it's just fun to rub this in the noses of the media. It's all about getting clicks from CNN to ESPN and this story of MAGA supporters assaulting a quasi famous actor was condemned and commented on far and wide by everyone from celebrities to Senators. The story completely blew up before any facts came to light. And the story smelled fishy as hell from the beginning.

I think we can all agree this is what todays media is all about.....Crappaport, Peaches LaCanfora, all these people. Get the story first, not get it right.

I know when Crappaport reports some bullshit it's fun to watch him get burned.

I imagine those who have actually been targets of racism would like to smack the guy into into next week.

[R_S]

I know Lit. You would much rather have a beltway insider at the helm of the government. Hillary would have been great, right. Our country would be made of lollipops and rainbows if she were President.

I would settle for someone who knows what the fuck they're doing and can hire a staff and hopefully keep them from resigning in 3 weeks. There is no one in the White House who knows what the fuck they're doing since Kelly left. The whole thing with Trump is that he's new to this, but he was going to hire competent advisers. He did that (in some cases), and they all hated working for him so much that they resigned, or he fired them. This is a dumpster fire and I don't know why you guys are still clinging to it.

I'm always wondering what he's done policy-wise to invoke the "he doesn't know what the fuck he is doing" You'd think the economy humming, renegotiating fair trade deals, all time low for minority unemployment, women's unemployment lowest in 65 years, more woman appointed to top positions than any white house in history by far, ecomonic growth over 4%, middle class wages rising, HIspanic unemployement lowest recorded, reforming prescription drug prices, breakthrough agreement with EU to increase US exports. reigning in Chinese intellectual theft.......

He is a vulgarian and possibly there are 0.000001% more hate crimes., he fucked a porn star, he tweets like an idiot. he wants to build a wall. He's an asshole. He eats too much ice cream.

[955876]

None of that stuff matters or it’s simply dismissed RS.

A few things going on here. #1 is that Trump does make it easy for his detractors to not like him personally. #2 is that there is an entire generation of people out here that grew up receiving participation awards and have no ability to digest losing. Throw in the fact that these people were told for months and months by the MSM that Trump had zero path to the presidency it’s no wonder they didn’t know what to do with themselves.

Here is the sad reality though. What we are seeing would have played out even if it wasn’t Donald Trump. Any republican winning WH would have been labeled a racist, a homophobe, an islamaphobe, fear monger, and misogynist. It’s sinply part of the playbook.

Don’t debate the issue. Instead, attack the individual and paint them to be some sort of dispicable creature that they are there to save the country from. Only a vote for them can save the world from the next “Hitler”.

Then they paint anyone that could possibly support said person as a “deplorable”with “no redeeming qualities”.

Once that narrative has been set they just repeat the conjecture over and over and over again. Say it enough times and enough people wil believe it.

Just look at how Tlaib attacked Meadows yesterday by claiming Lynne Patton was a “prop”.

If they don’t include a person of color they are painted as racist. If they include a person of color they are still painted as racist.

They can’t win. The dialogue is not about policy but rather identity politics and painting those on the right as sub-human.

Trump is a misogynist even though he has appointed several women to prominent positions.

Trump is a racist even though he has appointed people of color to prominent positions.

Trump is a homophobe even though he has nominated an openly gay man to serve as a U.S. Ambassador.

No no no. It’s all a prop they cry.

Donald Trump is easily unlikeabke to many. But this behavior and antics exhibited and directed at Trump would occurred if any (non-Dem) caucasian male had been elected.

They would have found a way to paint Ben Carson as a racist had he gotten the nomination.

[COR-TEN]

I'm always wondering what he's done policy-wise to invoke the "he doesn't know what the fuck he is doing" You'd think the economy humming, renegotiating fair trade deals, all time low for minority unemployment, women's unemployment lowest in 65 years, more woman appointed to top positions than any white house in history by far, ecomonic growth over 4%, middle class wages rising, HIspanic unemployement lowest recorded, reforming prescription drug prices, breakthrough agreement with EU to increase US exports. reigning in Chinese intellectual theft.......

He is a vulgarian and possibly there are 0.000001% more hate crimes., he fucked a porn star, he tweets like an idiot. he wants to build a wall. He's an asshole. He eats too much ice cream.

Holy shit.

The economy is not humming. But if you use corporate welfare as a metric, sure. They are doing well.
He's not re-negotiating trade deals, he's ripping up old ones creating more strife for working americans. Soy farmers are now getting subsidies from our tax dollars, appliances costs are rising as a result of tariffs.
More women in the white house?
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... on/556568/
That 4% growth was for one quarter, and most growth was created and generated by Obama era policies. QTR4 2018 showed 2.6%
Middle class wages are not increasing; the middle class is being shrunk and squeezed. Reports are that tax refunds aren't what they were sold as. Housing prices are soaring and most cannot afford one.
What proof do you have reforming prescription drug prices? I read the other day that a kid's treatment rose from around $70K a year to over $350K.
How exactly is he responsible for unemployment lowering? Have a look at this graph. When did it start its decline? Right smack in the middle of Obama's first term.



The only thing I can admit he's doing (abeit with a dull machete) is trade negotiations with china and coming down on intellectual property theft. But in reality, anybody that wants to manufacture in China to cut labor costs has to relinquish certain tech and ideas. So half the time it's done voluntarily by corporate america. Speaking of which, what happened with all those manufacturers that were supposed to come back to the US? Crickets. . .

He's attacked every institution that criticizes him. Some which are the foundation of this country's democracy. Like a good little dictator. Nepotism, violating the emoluments clause, and now violating campaign finance laws.

Most economists and former government economists suggest in no uncertain terms that dumpster doesn't really know how econ/ trade deals/ trade deficits work at all. He hasn't negotiated anything. He's given Kimmie boy in N. Korea everything (no war games, talks nicely about him, events to satisfy his spectacle, legitimizing a thug) and received hollow promises to do something he doesn't even need to do anymore (test nukes). He told Kasich when he offered him the VP that Kasich would be running the country, and that dumpster would "make america great." That is a fact. Former white house employee's publicly stated he can't get a brief longer than 8 items on a single page, and literally eats memo's. It's now come to light that he had cohen threaten his grade school and HS with litigation if they released his grades and SAT scores. Most say he doesn't read, but watches fauxnooz all day during "executive time. He raided his personal physicians office after he was elected and his medical records were seized. Even the House Dems asked cohen if he abused any kind of substances. It's known that he takes ritalin and propecia. Self made man? Bullshit. Daddy made him and kept him out of Viet Nam. And I find it baffling that military folk still like him after how he's disrespected the military.

Fuck, the list is endless. Man, you watch waaaaay too much conservative media. The left doesn't have TDS, the right does.

All I can say is that most of the policies that are being implemented would probably have been done had it been some other republican president. But this guy is inept, crazy, and dangerous. 25 psychiatrists have diagnosed him as having psychological disorders.

Put Kasich in the White House and it all goes away.

[Legacy User]

This sort of encapsulates the reason I can't have a reasonable debate with any of you -- 95 is trying to argue that Trump is not a misogynist. That position exemplifies your willful ignorance, mental gymnastics, denial, and/or trolling. It is so fucking ridiculous to think or suggest that this pig has anything but disdain and disrespect for women (and people of color, and immigrants, and poor people, etc. etc.). You are defending the indefensible, as you have with everything Trump has done, and you have no fucking credibility.

Your side won. Sweet. Congratulations. That's what this is about. That's why you still bring up Hillary -- who is a now-irrelevant private citizen -- to remind everyone that you won. You took your country back. You've got less than 2 years left (possibly a lot less). Enjoy it, but remember that this country is getting less Republican, less religious, and less white every day.

[955876]

Quite triggered LTW.

I try to be accepting of all. That means people of different race and religion.

Why do you hate white people so much?

Why do you hate people that choose to be religious?

You also have no clue about my racial origins nor my religious beliefs.

It’s also funny how you say things with such certainty about Trump. Funny how the women that actually work for him praise him.

Don Lemon over at CNN says Trump despises women so it must be true.

So filled with hate. It’s really odd.

Question, and I’m being serious here. Do you come to your own conclusions ever or just follow the CNN & MSNBC talking points for the day?

Also, you said earlier in the thread there is MOUNTAINS of evidence proving beyond a doubt that Trump is in fact an agent of Russia.

Why haven’t you shared any of this with the Mueller probe? You know, the one started to investigate this Russia stuff. With so much evidence I’m expecting big news soon.

And no, a Republican senate would not protect him from impeachment if he was an agent of Russia. That is just ridiculous. Half the republicans didn’t even want him dude. Went along because they had no choice after he crushed everyone else in the primaries.

Serving as an agent of Russia would most definitely constitute “high crimes & misdemeanors” and would more than support grounds for impeachment.

They haven’t done it because they have squat.

[955876]

It is so fucking ridiculous to think or suggest that this pig has anything but disdain and disrespect for women

And yet...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/white-house/369112-trumps-first-year-in-office-was-the-year-of-the-woman%3famp

You were saying...

And I looked it up as I don’t read the Hill often if at all.

The reviews seem to indicate it to be moderate to left leaning but does try to be non-partisan. I purposely tried to find a site that couldn’t be accused of being strictly right wing.

Would a person who has “disdain & disrespect” for women put that many in charge of that many things?

Oh wait, they must be all props right???

[Legacy User]

Here I am, roped in again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Tr ... llegations

Just because Trump hired Betsy DeVos, Omarosa, and Nicki Haley doesn't make him a supporter of women.

Why haven’t you shared any of this with the Mueller probe? You know, the one started to investigate this Russia stuff. With so much evidence I’m expecting big news soon.

Dude why are you hedging your bets on this? It really, really looks bad for you. Every single person around him is going down in flames. He set up his organization like a mafia don and his button men, cappos and consigliere all flipped on him. Why is this the hill you're dying on?

Mueller is conducting an investigation. He is a fact finder and makes recommendations based on those facts. He will send the report to people who can move forward with indictments, impeachments, etc. Do you think he's going to slap the cuffs on Trump?

I'm not holding my breath that Trump will be indicted based on Mueller's report.

The DOJ, as a policy matter, holds that a president cannot be charged with a crime. This will put that to the test.

They have him dead to rights on Obstruction -- Cohen kept the checks. The House will likely impeach; the Republican Senate will likely acquit. He's going to be investigated by the House, individual states will bring suit. Everything will come out, and God willing, Donald will spend the rest of his life in prison. Mueller's report is the beginning when you so desperately want it to be the end.

[955876]

Your side won. Sweet. Congratulations. That's what this is about. That's why you still bring up Hillary -- who is a now-irrelevant private citizen -- to remind everyone that you won.

Except that’s not what this is about. Youbassume that bexause you low in here full of anger, hurl insults at those who disagree with you, then tell them what is they are thinking and why they say what they say.

All the while you really have no clue and have already said you don’t care to know.

So why bother even participating?

And I don’t bring up Hillary to gloat, I bring her because she is relevant to the conversation.

You have tremendous anger for Trump and part of that is due to your belief he has committed crimes.

There is not yet any proof of these crimes (if there is present it) yet you are outraged by them.

All the while, his opponent (and one you gleefully support) did in fact commit actual crimes. Crimes that were committed while serving at the highest levels of our government. Crimes that were clearly swept under the rug by a DOJ that thought she’d be their next boss.

These same people that shielded her, then launched an investigation into his “Russia ties” and yet after two years have not come up with any crimes related to Russia.

How is that not relevant?

If the DOJ subpoenaed Trump’s server and you found out he had his IT guys bleach bit it away would you sweep that under the rug? Would you think it warranted a special counsel?

If there was record of him stating not to use the .gov email adddres due to wanting to avoid Freedom of Information Act disclosure’s would you sweep that under the rug?

If classified information that only he and his staff had clearance for yet it ended up on his assistant’s husbands laptop would you sweep that under the rug? Especially after said husband gets tossed in jail for being a pedofile?

What about if you found out he and his staff smashed blackberries after getting the subpoena? Cool with that too?

I could keep going but will stop there for now.

The point is, she is brought up because she is very relevant to all this. On one hand you have accusations of crimes (yet without any proof) all the while there were actual crimes that were committed that are literally no freaking big deal to you.

How do you explain that level of bias & hypocrisy?

That is why I bring her up. Not to say neener neener neener I won but rather to understand how one can be so outraged by crimes for which there is yet any proof all the while being completely complicit to the crimes that in fact committed and for which there is actual bonafide proof?

[955876]

Dude why are you hedging your bets on this? It really, really looks bad for you. Every single person around him is going down in flames. He set up his organization like a mafia don and his button men, cappos and consigliere all flipped on him. Why is this the hill you're dying on?

How many have gone down for colliding with the Russians?

Cohen is going down for things unrelated to the Russia investigation.

Oh noes, Trump paid hush money to a porn star he banged a decade ago.

That’s not a crime if he used his own funds. It would be a crime if he used campaign funds and didn’t disclose.

And really, paying off a porn star he banged years ago?? Trivial stuff man.

And if you are going to cite the ethics of campaign finance are you really going to make the case there were no violations on the other side? Because I can assure you there was.

The whole Bernie fiasco with his own party colluding against him.

The “dossier” that was paid for by the Clinton campaign and not disclosed.

I could go on.

How about this, why not just explain how the allegation of crimes have you so fired up but actual proof of real crimes isn’t even the slightest of issues for you?

How can that be?

[955876]

Mueller's report is the beginning when you so desperately want it to be the end.

And if it’s not? Will you step up and admit you were duped?

[955876]

Put Kasich in the White House and it all goes away.

He was my pick during the primaries.

Yet had he won we’d still have seen outrage from the left.

[Legacy User]

Laughing my tits off that anyone thinks Trump is responsible for the economy.

Everyone, everyone knows that the president has a very limited effect.

Trump has every appearance of being a very untalented politician relative to the position he occupies. Having an utterly dysfunctional legislative branch doesn’t help him.

What in the world has the guy done that is not by executive fiat? Other than the judges, which is a big deal to be sure, what has he done that the next executive cannot just undo with a pen?

[955876]

Everyone, everyone knows that the president has a very limited effect.

You should tell Obama (and Cor-Ten) that. Because he’s (Obama) been going around giving speeches and taking credit for this current economy.

After of course he said 1% U.S. GDP was the “new normal”...

While I agree with your premise, there has been things that he is responsible for that has boosted economic output. Whether people want to admit it or not.

And sure it could be undone when the next person is in there.

Something important to note would be the state of the economy when one takes office. Historically speaking, presidents that have taken over after a recession have been the beneficiary of stronger GDP numbers.

This is due to GDP growth being strongest coming out of a recessionary environment. The deeper the trough the stronger the rebound. So if you look at say GDP numbers over Obama’s 8 years in a vacuum they aren’t great but also not horrible comparatively speaking to other presidents average.

However, when you factor the deep deep recession the economy was in when he took office his numbers should have boomed. They did not. What they were was the weakest recovery following a deep recession in post WWII history.

Trump by comparison took over an economy that was already 8 years into its expansion (a weak one but expansion nonetheless) and expanded it from there.

So again, agree with your premise to an extent but there are a lot of missing pieces to what you are discussing.