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Post by SteelPro » Mon Apr 26, 2021 2:03 pm

Here is a story that has everything yet has gotten hardly any attention at all. Martinus Mitchum was a cop working a security detail at a high school basketball game in New Orleans in February. He was escorting from the gym an unruly spectator that was involved in an altercation with a school official over his refusal to wear a mask. Mitchum was shot in the chest and killed by the man he was trying to remove from the premises.

We have a school shooting..
We have abhorrent behavior at a youth athletic event..
We have an anti-masker in a public space concern...
We have an innocent man, a black life that should matter...

This should be a national story that makes everyone irate.


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Post by Professor Half Wit » Mon Apr 26, 2021 2:43 pm

Stlcrtn1974 wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:07 am
Professor Half Wit wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:59 am
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Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:10 am
Can anyone pull up how many African Americans are killed daily throughout the US by other African Americans. That's where these protesters should be focusing their attention on, but they won't. It's actually very disturbing.
This is dumb. You should know better.

What you meant to say is that Black Americans should be focused on both. And many are.
Why is it dumb? What should I know better about?

And by many you mean maybe 10%. We have stop the violence rallys here in Youngstown with usually about 15 mid to late age church going folks that show up. Blaming everyone but yourself is a great way to have this cycle continue and get worse with every generation, and that's what they are doing.
You have no idea how many care. It is dumb because caring about one is not mutually exclusive to the other. Do you have any clue how many anti-violence groups there are working in major cities to prevent Black on Black crime?

Can we please not do stupid culture war BS and be against improving policing? Even if a lot of people have stupid thoughts about the police, there is nothing wrong with wishing to improve policing. So let's focus on POLICY, not get-off-my-lawn culture flame wars.
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Post by Dan Smith--BYU » Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:03 pm

I agree with about 50 percent of what Tulsi stands for, but she's right here.

https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status ... we-are-%2F

Intelligent, honest, attractive, coherent, nonhysterical and compassionate.

She didn't stand a chance in the Democratic primary.

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Post by Professor Half Wit » Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:09 pm

Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:03 pm
I agree with about 50 percent of what Tulsi stands for, but she's right here.

https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status ... we-are-%2F

Intelligent, honest, attractive, coherent, nonhysterical and compassionate.

She didn't stand a chance in the Democratic primary.

Remember geniuses, you chose a rotting corrupt corpse over this woman.
You chose Trump, genius, over several competent choices. :lol:

Glass house post of the month.
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Post by Kodiak » Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:20 pm

Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:03 pm
I agree with about 50 percent of what Tulsi stands for, but she's right here.
These days, I'll settle for a politician that is right 50% of the time.

So much populist pandering, and most people are very ignorant on most issues. Must be why they say we get the politicians we deserve.
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Professor Half Wit wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:09 pm
Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:03 pm
I agree with about 50 percent of what Tulsi stands for, but she's right here.

https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status ... we-are-%2F

Intelligent, honest, attractive, coherent, nonhysterical and compassionate.

She didn't stand a chance in the Democratic primary.

Remember geniuses, you chose a rotting corrupt corpse over this woman.
You chose Trump, genius, over several competent choices. :lol:

Glass house post of the month.
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Post by zeke5123 » Tue Apr 27, 2021 3:56 pm

Professor Half Wit wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:59 am
Stlcrtn1974 wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:10 am
Can anyone pull up how many African Americans are killed daily throughout the US by other African Americans. That's where these protesters should be focusing their attention on, but they won't. It's actually very disturbing.
This is dumb. You should know better.

What you meant to say is that Black Americans should be focused on both. And many are.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

A few points:

1. We do not live in a world of infinite resources. That is, focusing resources on one item reduces resources to be spent on another item. Prima facie, you want to spend resources on the larger problems. Now, maybe some of the smaller problems have easier solutions. So, sometimes that is justifiable. But given that police killing is wholly tied in with crime rates it is hard to think solving police killings (small potatoes) is easier than solving high violent crimes in certain areas.

2. It seems the solution being pushed to police killings (e.g., criticism of this Columbus officer who acted to save a 3P) is exacerbating the bigger problem. Basically, the Ferguson effect is happening and leading to multiples of black deaths compared to police killings. That seems like a bad trade off.

3. Education is needed here. By that, the Washington Post is really helpful in pointing out that the number of blacks killed by police is actually much smaller than what most democrats believe. The number of unarmed blacks killed by police is basically a rounding error. While it is true that blacks are killed at a higher rate compared to their share of the population, it is also true that blacks commit violent crime at a higher share of the population. I can believe that some aspects of policing could use reform and people should listen to what some of the black community are saying. But we cannot take their word as gospel; we need to look at the underlying statistics. And the underlying statistics show that blacks aren't being hunted by the cops or are facing disproportionate violence. The underlying statistics do show that violence in America is a huge problem, especially in black communities. Perhaps eliminating black redneck culture (read White Liberals and Black Rednecks if you are unfamiliar) and doing things like ending the war on drugs could go a long way to reducing that violence which likely has the added benefit of decreasing police killings of blacks.

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Post by Professor Half Wit » Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:16 pm

zeke5123 wrote:
Tue Apr 27, 2021 3:56 pm
Professor Half Wit wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:59 am
Stlcrtn1974 wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:10 am
Can anyone pull up how many African Americans are killed daily throughout the US by other African Americans. That's where these protesters should be focusing their attention on, but they won't. It's actually very disturbing.
This is dumb. You should know better.

What you meant to say is that Black Americans should be focused on both. And many are.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

A few points:

1. We do not live in a world of infinite resources. That is, focusing resources on one item reduces resources to be spent on another item. Prima facie, you want to spend resources on the larger problems. Now, maybe some of the smaller problems have easier solutions. So, sometimes that is justifiable. But given that police killing is wholly tied in with crime rates it is hard to think solving police killings (small potatoes) is easier than solving high violent crimes in certain areas.

2. It seems the solution being pushed to police killings (e.g., criticism of this Columbus officer who acted to save a 3P) is exacerbating the bigger problem. Basically, the Ferguson effect is happening and leading to multiples of black deaths compared to police killings. That seems like a bad trade off.

3. Education is needed here. By that, the Washington Post is really helpful in pointing out that the number of blacks killed by police is actually much smaller than what most democrats believe. The number of unarmed blacks killed by police is basically a rounding error. While it is true that blacks are killed at a higher rate compared to their share of the population, it is also true that blacks commit violent crime at a higher share of the population. I can believe that some aspects of policing could use reform and people should listen to what some of the black community are saying. But we cannot take their word as gospel; we need to look at the underlying statistics. And the underlying statistics show that blacks aren't being hunted by the cops or are facing disproportionate violence. The underlying statistics do show that violence in America is a huge problem, especially in black communities. Perhaps eliminating black redneck culture (read White Liberals and Black Rednecks if you are unfamiliar) and doing things like ending the war on drugs could go a long way to reducing that violence which likely has the added benefit of decreasing police killings of blacks.
Black people do concentrate on both. Also, what does more good? Marching in streets or community organizing?

1. Just because resources are finite does not mean both cannot be done. You respond with a general point that does not necessarily apply to the particular issue.
2. Did you read my other post? Rather than making things about race, let's just do our best to improve policing.
3. See 2.

So while you say I'm wrong, wrong, wrong, seems to me, except for 1, we argee, agree, agree.
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Post by Kodiak » Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:40 pm

zeke5123 wrote:
Tue Apr 27, 2021 3:56 pm
.. it is also true that blacks commit violent crime at a higher share of the population. I can believe that some aspects of policing could use reform and people should listen to what some of the black community are saying.
Most of what you said is fair and accurate.

But I believe numerous studies have shown blacks don't actually commit more violent crimes, after you control for socioeconomic factors. There are more arrests, largely because of the "over-policing" of dense urban areas. It's also true that most violent crimes against white people are committed by white people.

And there are other inequities in the justice system. We're allowing riots over a "rounding error", harsh and inconsiderate as that sounds, which can't really be fixed nor will it solve the many other issues. The real cause of wrongful death by cop is not racism but over-policing, and the solution to that is very complicated.
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Post by zeke5123 » Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:50 pm

Kodiak wrote:
Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:40 pm
zeke5123 wrote:
Tue Apr 27, 2021 3:56 pm
.. it is also true that blacks commit violent crime at a higher share of the population. I can believe that some aspects of policing could use reform and people should listen to what some of the black community are saying.
Most of what you said is fair and accurate.

But I believe numerous studies have shown blacks don't actually commit more violent crimes, after you control for socioeconomic factors. There are more arrests, largely because of the "over-policing" of dense urban areas. It's also true that most violent crimes against white people are committed by white people.

And there are other inequities in the justice system. We're allowing riots over a "rounding error", harsh and inconsiderate as that sounds, which can't really be fixed nor will it solve the many other issues. The real cause of wrongful death by cop is not racism but over-policing, and the solution to that is very complicated.
It may be true that when you control for socioeconomic factors blacks commit crime at a similar rates to whites of the same socioeconomic class.* But it isn't true there are more arrests because of over policing. Victimization studies show police are generally where very violent crime is. That isn't prima facie a factor of race but obviously the data has a racial hue.

*I would say that a lot of black urban crime pathologies are similar to white redneck pathologies; that is, the cultures are similar and the criminality is not directly a result of poverty but instead a bad culture creates both poverty and criminal behavior. If you have a chance, read Sowell's book White Liberal and the Black Redneck.

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Post by zeke5123 » Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:58 pm

Professor Half Wit wrote:
Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:16 pm
zeke5123 wrote:
Tue Apr 27, 2021 3:56 pm
Professor Half Wit wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:59 am


This is dumb. You should know better.

What you meant to say is that Black Americans should be focused on both. And many are.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

A few points:

1. We do not live in a world of infinite resources. That is, focusing resources on one item reduces resources to be spent on another item. Prima facie, you want to spend resources on the larger problems. Now, maybe some of the smaller problems have easier solutions. So, sometimes that is justifiable. But given that police killing is wholly tied in with crime rates it is hard to think solving police killings (small potatoes) is easier than solving high violent crimes in certain areas.

2. It seems the solution being pushed to police killings (e.g., criticism of this Columbus officer who acted to save a 3P) is exacerbating the bigger problem. Basically, the Ferguson effect is happening and leading to multiples of black deaths compared to police killings. That seems like a bad trade off.

3. Education is needed here. By that, the Washington Post is really helpful in pointing out that the number of blacks killed by police is actually much smaller than what most democrats believe. The number of unarmed blacks killed by police is basically a rounding error. While it is true that blacks are killed at a higher rate compared to their share of the population, it is also true that blacks commit violent crime at a higher share of the population. I can believe that some aspects of policing could use reform and people should listen to what some of the black community are saying. But we cannot take their word as gospel; we need to look at the underlying statistics. And the underlying statistics show that blacks aren't being hunted by the cops or are facing disproportionate violence. The underlying statistics do show that violence in America is a huge problem, especially in black communities. Perhaps eliminating black redneck culture (read White Liberals and Black Rednecks if you are unfamiliar) and doing things like ending the war on drugs could go a long way to reducing that violence which likely has the added benefit of decreasing police killings of blacks.
Black people do concentrate on both. Also, what does more good? Marching in streets or community organizing?

1. Just because resources are finite does not mean both cannot be done. You respond with a general point that does not necessarily apply to the particular issue.
2. Did you read my other post? Rather than making things about race, let's just do our best to improve policing.
3. See 2.

So while you say I'm wrong, wrong, wrong, seems to me, except for 1, we argee, agree, agree.
You said focus on both. If you spend 1 hour on police reform issues, I would think it is probably more like you need to spend 20 hours on black crime issues (which I really think are redneck culture issues). I don't think police reform should take up much focus at all. It is basic economics.

I agree we shouldn't make things about race, but I think policing is largely downstream of crime which is downstream of culture. Tring to improve policing is throwing precious resources off of largely (though not entirely) a symptom; the real illness causes significantly more harm. Indeed, due to the Floyd arrest the anti-racist racists (who sound a lot like George Wallace) are pushing racist clap trap that makes curing the illness worse off (i.e., they push moronic things like reading is a white person thing, or getting a math problem exactly right isn't that important for black kids -- black people are not inferior and can succeed academically but if you don't expect rigor out of most kids most kids won't give you rigor).

Finally, I think marching in streets and community organizing are probably things that make things worse off; not better. The answer isn't political;' it is cultural and local.

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Post by Professor Half Wit » Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:23 am

I should stipulate because I did not. By community organizing I meant neighborhood violence intervention organizations started by and operated by locals. I wish those folks would get more funding.
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Post by Kodiak » Wed Apr 28, 2021 5:28 pm

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But it isn't true there are more arrests because of over policing. Victimization studies show police are generally where very violent crime is. That isn't prima facie a factor of race but obviously the data has a racial hue.
Go back to your resources argument. There are more police in urban areas BECAUSE of the population density. It's a higher ROI on policing vs. a much less densely populated rural area with proportional crime rates.

The cops are not focused always and exclusively on violent crimes. So when you have a greater density of cops, you are going to have more interactions and an "over-policing" effect. When a cop has to drive 15 minutes to encounter 15 people vs 30 seconds to encounter 30 people, the latter is going to arrest a lot more people for non-violent and minor offenses.
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Post by jebrick » Wed May 12, 2021 11:32 am

In the use of force ladder, it is perfectly fine to kill a person welding a knife when they threaten anyone ( but themselves). The problem is that many police are leaping to the top when there is no need. Pulling a firearm in a traffic stop is the height of foolishness when the motorist is still in their car. That is why training has you stand behind the door. People in the back seat will necessitate the need for extra officers so everyone is safe.

Too much commando training for the cops. They need more mental health people and negotiators.
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Post by Dan Smith--BYU » Thu May 13, 2021 5:29 pm

And who started the whole trend of commando police and military police?

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obama-po ... _n_3566478

That was the Huffington Post, not Breitbart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df2p6867_pw

Money quote:

"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

Are you SJW NPCs OK with that which is pretty much the opposite of defund police or social workers as police?
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Post by Professor Half Wit » Thu May 13, 2021 5:48 pm

Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
Thu May 13, 2021 5:29 pm
And who started the whole trend of commando police and military police?

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obama-po ... _n_3566478

That was the Huffington Post, not Breitbart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df2p6867_pw

Money quote:

"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

Are you SJW NPCs OK with that which is pretty much the opposite of defund police or social workers as police?
I bet if you did a poll, not a single person in this thread would be in favor of "defunding" the police. I know I'm not. Just because you are extreme in your views, does not mean everyone else is. :D
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Post by Dan Smith--BYU » Fri May 14, 2021 2:13 pm

Typical leftist wordplay gaslight strategy with projection typical of a borderline personality.

"Defund the police"

What, no more money for police?

"We don't really mean defund the police, you people are so stupid."

But aren't you clever?

Good job, Biden supporters, the seventies are back with hyperinflation, nonstop urban violence, middle East wars and high gas prices.

But without the sexy women who like casual sex and a Steelers dynasty to get us through the tough times.

BTW I am all in favor of defunding TSA.
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Post by Professor Half Wit » Fri May 14, 2021 2:25 pm

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Fri May 14, 2021 2:13 pm
Typical leftist wordplay gaslight strategy with projection typical of a borderline personality.

"Defund the police"

What, no more money for police?

"We don't really mean defund the police, you people are so stupid."

But aren't you clever?

Good job, Biden supporters, the seventies are back with hyperinflation, nonstop urban violence, middle East wars and high gas prices.

But without the sexy women who like casual sex and a Steelers dynasty to get us through the tough times.

BTW I am all in favor of defunding TSA.
I bet if you did a poll, not a single person in this thread would be in favor of "defunding" the police. I know I'm not. It's both stupid and a rhetorical loser. Just because you are extreme in your views, does not mean everyone else is. :D

Here we go again. Others are mental midgets, have psychological disorders, and yet I am able to criticize the left, affirm the not everything on the right is bad while you are unable to bring yourself either to realize or to criticize anything on the right as being bad. Totally normal. Nothing wrong.
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Post by Dan Smith--BYU » Fri May 14, 2021 4:35 pm

The left is still so full of irrational Trump Derangement that their new bestie is Liz Cheney, the Meadow Soprano of War Pigs.
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Post by Professor Half Wit » Fri May 14, 2021 4:43 pm

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The left is still so full of irrational Trump Derangement that their new bestie is Liz Cheney, the Meadow Soprano of War Pigs.
Uh Huh. And the right is so deranged it's throwing one of its most conservative and consistently so members under the bus. Not because of policy. But because Trump is in denial of reality.

Absolutely nothing wrong in right wing politics in the present moment. All the problems are on the left. Everything on the right is to be praised. Totally normal. Nothing to see here.

You're amusing, I'll give you that.
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Post by Kodiak » Fri May 14, 2021 8:42 pm

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Fri May 14, 2021 4:43 pm
Absolutely nothing wrong in right wing politics in the present moment. All the problems are on the left. Everything on the right is to be praised. Totally normal. Nothing to see here.

You're amusing, I'll give you that.
Seems like about 90% of the country just kind of shrugs its shoulders while the 10% of the country that is truly ignorant nutjobs take over politics.

And they suck all the oxygen out of the media. Begs the question if a moderate can actually win a major election and rise to prominence without major media coverage One would think the middle would be a good place to be, and you could probably get 60% of the vote. But it doesn't work that way. 80% of the country votes the same every time, and it's only 5-10% of those people who make an actual choice about voting (staying home, not who to vote for).

It's even more screwed up than that. You're voting for the House. But that person closely aligns with the some 50k voters in your district, right? No, your rep's vote has already been predetermined as outlined in the party agenda.

Quite a trick over the past 40 years or so to massively grow the govt AND further concentrate power.
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Post by Kodiak » Fri May 14, 2021 8:57 pm

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Uh Huh. And the right is so deranged it's throwing one of its most conservative and consistently so members under the bus. Not because of policy. But because Trump is in denial of reality.
It's really pathetic. The sensationalizing media likes to make a big deal about Trump and the party and his base. But in reality WE KNOW almost everyone who voted for Trump is never going to vote for a Democrat, and the vast majority will pull the lever for whomever has an 'R' behind their name. A few might stay home, but all you have to do is talk about defund the police and the border. And one can do that without sounding like a vulgar 3rd grader.

Not to be dismissive of Trump's contact database and ability to raise money. That is very real.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Trump is gone and the new narrative is he's still controlling the party and taking it to a very dark place. The media really doesn't know anything other than fearmongering.
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Post by Professor Half Wit » Fri May 14, 2021 9:10 pm

Sympathetic to both those posts, Kodiak, and you know I tend center left.
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Post by COR-TEN » Fri May 14, 2021 9:18 pm

Kodiak wrote:
Fri May 14, 2021 8:57 pm
Professor Half Wit wrote:
Fri May 14, 2021 4:43 pm
Uh Huh. And the right is so deranged it's throwing one of its most conservative and consistently so members under the bus. Not because of policy. But because Trump is in denial of reality.
It's really pathetic. The sensationalizing media likes to make a big deal about Trump and the party and his base. But in reality WE KNOW almost everyone who voted for Trump is never going to vote for a Democrat, and the vast majority will pull the lever for whomever has an 'R' behind their name. A few might stay home, but all you have to do is talk about defund the police and the border. And one can do that without sounding like a vulgar 3rd grader.

Not to be dismissive of Trump's contact database and ability to raise money. That is very real.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Trump is gone and the new narrative is he's still controlling the party and taking it to a very dark place. The media really doesn't know anything other than fearmongering.
Fearmongering creates clicks/ eyeballs, like rubbernecking at a car crash. And we all know Conflict = Cash.

Gee, I wonder where that came from?
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Post by Dan Smith--BYU » Sat May 15, 2021 4:32 pm

The past couple of posts prove my point that you just can't let him go, can you?

Meanwhile your utopia is in full blossom at Penn State:

https://www.campusreform.org/article?id=17483

BTW I don't believe for a moment the 88 percent of students approve. It's probably a majority of brainwashed sheep but I suspect that the poll had a coercive tone. Or they just lied. Kind of like Michael Mann on temperature data points.

All news today are ads.

This is the world leftists have created.

But I guess you have to keep going off a cliff because there are like 9000 actual white supremacists in the US.

So few that Merrick Garland has to make up new definitions of white supremacy.
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Post by Kodiak » Sat May 15, 2021 7:57 pm

COR-TEN wrote:
Fri May 14, 2021 9:18 pm
Fearmongering creates clicks/ eyeballs, like rubbernecking at a car crash. And we all know Conflict = Cash.
Very true. I remember when CNN used to cover actual news. Now it's 24/7 disaster porn.
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Post by Kodiak » Sat May 15, 2021 8:27 pm

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Sat May 15, 2021 4:32 pm
The past couple of posts prove my point that you just can't let him go, can you?
A lot of it continues to be self-inflicted, no? The fact you're annoyed by the attention is sort of a Freudian slip that you WANT the guy to go away. If Trump was a Democrat (and, in many ways, he WAS a classic Clinton Democrat) you'd be outraged. But he plays for your team, and like any true fanboy you can't bring yourself to criticize the guys on your team.

He's still in the news because of recent developments in the Facebook and Twitter bans. I can agree that the leftwing media still tries to inject Trump into every negative story, and by proxy throw Repubs under the bus crying how "they won't condem bad 'ol orange man!!!!". But that's not new, even with Trump.

Maybe it's because he can't tweet, but I've been surprised that Trump has mostly kept a low profile. Perhaps it's because he doesn't have an army of sycophants to make the rounds doing it for him. Mostly seems to be just Pompeo and that super hot blond airhead (how Trump got her before Fox News is another Geraldo Rivera mystery caper).
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Post by Kodiak » Sat May 15, 2021 8:29 pm

Anyway, I'm going to go back to laughing and marveling at the differences in tone and coverage over revelations that Biden and Trump are sometimes real assholes in meetings (like many bosses).
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Post by K_C_ » Sat May 15, 2021 8:58 pm

Kodiak wrote:
Fri May 14, 2021 8:57 pm
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Trump is gone and the new narrative is he's still controlling the party and taking it to a very dark place. The media really doesn't know anything other than fearmongering.
Wait....are you telling me that you don't believe Trump still controls the Republican Party?

If so, you may want to lay off the hard stuff.

Liz Cheney was removed from her leadership post because she dared say Trump lost the election.

Again....Liz Cheney was removed because she dared to tell the truth.

Trump lost handily to Biden AND personally cost Republicans the Senate, but these utter dumbfucks are scared shitless of him.

Sad for the Republican Party, but wonderful for us Dems!
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Post by Dan Smith--BYU » Sat May 15, 2021 10:49 pm

So new Liz Cheney is the damsel in distress you are so concerned about?

Her dad was a war pig who got us into two unnecessary prolonged conflicts without any exit plan.

Yeah I voted for Kerry because of it. At least I am consistent.

She also promoted the lie that we have to stay in Afghanistan because of another fake Russia collusion narrative.

So full of Trump derangement, you're white knighting the fucking neocons.

Don't think things through much now do you?

BTW she's not cancelled, there are natural consequence of politicians making unpopular choices. Cancel culture would be if she had lost her position because of something she did in high school. Which your tribe loved during the Kavanaugh hearings.
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