The Steelers suck threads

[lifelongsteel]

Arians was running an offense that was getting Ben killed.

2007 10-6, Division Champ
2008 12-4, Super Bowl Champ
2009, 9-7
2010, 12-4, AFC Champ
2011, 12-4, Playoffs

Now that Bruce is gone, and Ben is safe and healthy, 8-8 TWICE.

Might have had a little to do with the D. Did you want to keep Bruce?

[Legacy User]

Not to mention the statue hop along Palmer stayed healthy and the Cards were better then us...didn't take BA to long to go from 5-11 to 10-6...but 8-8 is the standard

[Legacy User]

What a dilemma.

Go balls to the wall Arians style and increase risk of injury to Ben...

Or...

Yinzer pound da rock, protect Ben, war of attrition, field position type of game plan?

Glad I'm just a fan and don't have to make these type of decisions.

[Legacy User]

And took a rookie QB in Indy to a pretty good season as well.

[Mick]

What a dilemma.

Go balls to the wall Arians style and increase risk of injury to Ben...

Or...

Yinzer pound da rock, protect Ben, war of attrition, field position type of game plan?

Glad I'm just a fan and don't have to make these type of decisions.

under arians we had both of those, except the 'protect ben' part.

Pretty easy for our FO to make that decision when they could have their cake and eat it too.

[swissvale72]

Arians was running an offense that was getting Ben killed.

2007 10-6, Division Champ
2008 12-4, Super Bowl Champ
2009, 9-7
2010, 12-4, AFC Champ
2011, 12-4, Playoffs

Now that Bruce is gone, and Ben is safe and healthy, 8-8 TWICE.

Might have had a little to do with the D. Did you want to keep Bruce?

I did. Keep Ben upright at the cost of emasculating the offense. What good's a healthy QB if he can't use some of the best elements of his game.

[Legacy User]

What a dilemma.

Go balls to the wall Arians style and increase risk of injury to Ben...

Or...

Yinzer pound da rock, protect Ben, war of attrition, field position type of game plan?

Glad I'm just a fan and don't have to make these type of decisions.

I would take a dozen of Ben at his best/peak than 20 years of handing off and wasting his talent...

[Legacy User]

Right on Swiss

[Legacy User]

The single biggest problem is the complete and utter failure of the Oline. And I like what BA has done personnel wise in AC...

[Orangesteel]

Well the primary goals of last preseason looked a whole lot like the primary goals of this preseason. Lets hope the finished product ends up a little different.

People don't care what the final score of a preseason game is. Nobody on this site is saying that. Having your starting offense and starting defense perform well, however, can be important. CAN BE.

For teams like the Seahawks and Broncos, both teams shined in the preseason because they have talent, good coaching and they execute. The Steelers looked a lot like they did last August, we said "oh, it's just preseason", and then weeks 1-8 happened.

What I'm trying to say is the teams with talent show it off in the preseason. Doesn't mean they win the game, but they show off. We didn't show much. Still waiting for Rooney to refund money from the Panther game.

I get that it's your perception

Reality is none of this translates into regular season. I live amongst a large population of Browns fans who are way too optimistic based on their teams play in preseason

Means nothing

Ok, but unless you saw something that I didn't in regards to the talent, coaching and execution this preseason, then we are basically saying the same thing. I hope to hell I'm wrong, but there is a chance the same shit I saw in August might show up on Sunday. Man I would love to be wrong here.

[Legacy User]

What a dilemma.

Go balls to the wall Arians style and increase risk of injury to Ben...

Or...

Yinzer pound da rock, protect Ben, war of attrition, field position type of game plan?

Glad I'm just a fan and don't have to make these type of decisions.

I would take a dozen of Ben at his best/peak than 20 years of handing off and wasting his talent...

We have a hand off monkey available if Ben gets tired of doing it....

[Nick79]

Arians was running an offense that was getting Ben killed.

2007 10-6, Division Champ
2008 12-4, Super Bowl Champ
2009, 9-7
2010, 12-4, AFC Champ
2011, 12-4, Playoffs

Now that Bruce is gone, and Ben is safe and healthy, 8-8 TWICE.

Might have had a little to do with the D. Did you want to keep Bruce?

I wanted to keep him, just like Tomlin did at the end of 2012. My only complaint was that I felt like Bruce was pressured to play more conservative and we never got to see what him and Ben would and could really do if they had 110% free reign.

[Legacy User]

I agree Nick, except I hold Tomlin a little more culpable than you do.

[Nick79]

I agree Nick, except I hold Tomlin a little more culpable than you do.

Tomlin too, but who's influencing him? Tomlin came here as a defensive guru, and he hasn't been ALLOWED to implemement anything he wants form his guru days, IMO, he's a puppet, a face, the team philosophy comes from above him, he just pretends it's him, to get that $5mil/year paycheck. He's like a concentration camp guard, "doing what he's told/following orders", even if it doesn't seem like a good thing.

[lifelongsteel]

at the time i was happy as hell that they got rid of arians. which if memory serves was the prevailing view of this board and most steeler fans.

I didn't think Ben would ever improve as long as he was playing for his golfing buddy.

[Legacy User]

It is so obviously Mike Tomlins team and philosophy.

Does anyone really think he would have got the job if he wanted the run n shoot as a base O?

He has nearly 10 times the coordinator/personnel experience in the 3-4 as the 4-3...and do you really want to be among 2 or 3 teams that currently run the Tampa 2 anyway?

[bradshaw2ben]

at the time i was happy as hell that they got rid of arians. which if memory serves was the prevailing view of this board and most steeler fans.

I didn't think Ben would ever improve as long as he was playing for his golfing buddy.

Precisely why Mike Shanahan was fired as Elway's OC. Difference in that situation is that the owner ultimately understood that Elway was the difference maker, not Reeves-- he fired Reeves and brought back Shanahan.. two Super Bowl trophies in the case.

[lifelongsteel]

at the time i was happy as hell that they got rid of arians. which if memory serves was the prevailing view of this board and most steeler fans.

I didn't think Ben would ever improve as long as he was playing for his golfing buddy.

Precisely why Mike Shanahan was fired as Elway's OC. Difference in that situation is that the owner ultimately understood that Elway was the difference maker, not Reeves-- he fired Reeves and brought back Shanahan.. he added a defense, a running game and wham two Super Bowl trophies in the case.

Made a little improvement for you

[bradshaw2ben]

well, Shanahan was a better HC and personnel guy than Reeves

When Shanahan came back to Denver, they totally changed the offense and defense and drafting strategies

he went 8-8, then 13-3, 12-4 (SB win), 14-2 (SB win)

yes, he leaned on the run game and had a stud RB fall to him out of nowhere (cough *EAS* cough). Yes his D was improved (cough *PEDs* cough)-- but point is: Elway had a team built around him... Reeves was the ultimate attrition football coach who kept it close and expected Elway to pull it out at the end.

[swissvale72]

at the time i was happy as hell that they got rid of arians. which if memory serves was the prevailing view of this board and most steeler fans.

I didn't think Ben would ever improve as long as he was playing for his golfing buddy.

It was definitely the prevailing view, Lifelong. The gameday threads were freakin' ridiculous. Every play that didn't produce, people were immediately posting....Fuckin' Arians.....as though execution, of....the execution of the defense had shit to do with anything.

[alancac98]

well, Shanahan was a better HC and personnel guy than Reeves

When Shanahan came back to Denver, they totally changed the offense and defense and drafting strategies

he went 8-8, then 13-3, 12-4 (SB win), 14-2 (SB win)

yes, he leaned on the run game and had a stud RB fall to him out of nowhere (cough *EAS* cough). Yes his D was improved (cough *PEDs* cough)-- but point is: Elway had a team built around him... Reeves was the ultimate attrition football coach who kept it close and expected Elway to pull it out at the end.

The way I view Tomlin with one exception - he's nowhere close to the ultimate attrition football coach. They keep it close hoping Ben can win it for them. Tell Ben to go out and put up 60 points, give him the keys to the offense, and I think you will see a different offensive team.

[lifelongsteel]

Arians was running an offense that was getting Ben killed.

haleys offense has been just as bad if not worse......life threatening injury......just as many hits.....BR7 is a tough guy......the last real badass this team had since Joey Porter.....hes a warrior....he likes it.....he'll be fine

Check the games played per season stats.

[bradshaw2ben]

Some of that is luck, LLS-- Perch posted the stat about the total hits ben took Arians vs Haley... was almost the same.

97.69% excluding meaningless end of season games and suspensions
90.63%

that is the percentage of games Ben has started since he became the starter, with Arians and then with Haley

[lifelongsteel]

Some of that is luck, LLS-- Perch posted the stat about the total hits ben took Arians vs Haley... was almost the same.

97.69% excluding meaningless end of season games and suspensions
90.63%

that is the percentage of games Ben has started since he became the starter, with Arians and then with Haley

Surprised by that. I do know last year was the first year in a long time that he started every game.

[SteelBull]

All I can say is cheap ass Rooney's!

Well that, and I think my reputation deserves a little revisionist clean up if that fat head / cock sucker Arians gets to have one! It was Himmler's fault!

guten Tag

[lifelongsteel]

All I can say is cheap ass Rooney's!

Well that, and I think my reputation deserves a little revisionist clean up if that fat head / cock sucker Arians gets to have one! It was Himmler's fault!

guten Tag

Is that your beef? Or are you still mad at Steiner?

[SteelBull]

If Steiner reports one more time something I don't want to hear... I will literally have him stoned.

(and not in the Colorado sense)

[Legacy User]

let's not forget everone's incessant need to have a fullback.

Now that they have a guy listed on the roster at that position, all the sudden it doesn't pollute every thread about offense.

[V DUB]

let's not forget everone's incessant need to have a fullback.

Now that they have a guy listed on the roster at that position, all the sudden it doesn't pollute every thread about offense.

I thought that was mostly with Mendenhall...I think the hope was that the FB would have enough vision to hit the right hole, so Mendy could just blindly follow/not spin through the hole.

[Legacy User]

let's not forget everone's incessant need to have a fullback.

Now that they have a guy listed on the roster at that position, all the sudden it doesn't pollute every thread about offense.

I thought that was mostly with Mendenhall...I think the hope was that the FB would have enough vision to hit the right hole, so Mendy could just blindly follow/not spin through the hole.

Or completely whiff trying to block Clay Matthews Jr. so Mendy could fumble in the Super Bowl.