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								by Jobu » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:17 pm
			
			
			
			
			DrMalba wrote:RemoAZ wrote:Poltargyst wrote:Tomlin has won playoff games.  Marv never has.  Tomlin did more in 2016 alone that Marv has done in his whole career.
Yeah I'm not talking about the matchup. I'm talking a Marvin Lewis in general. Have they even won a playoff game under him? I'm not saying Tomlin is better. Ben has kept Tomlin employed. Why Lewis still has a job is beyond me.
 
Marvin Lewis has never won a playoff game as a HC. And Tomlin is far, far better of a coach than fucking Marvin Lewis, come the fuck on.
 
Yeah...I’m no Tomlin fan, but he shits all over Marvelous Marv.
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								by jeemie » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:32 pm
			
			
			
			
			RemoAZ wrote:Poltargyst wrote:Tomlin has won playoff games.  Marv never has.  Tomlin did more in 2016 alone that Marv has done in his whole career.
Yeah I'm not talking about the matchup. I'm talking a Marvin Lewis in general. Have they even won a playoff game under him? I'm not saying Tomlin is better. Ben has kept Tomlin employed. Why Lewis still has a job is beyond me.
 
The last playoff game Cincinnati won was the AFC Championship Game...
...of the 1988 season.
Edit- sorry, they beat Houston in the 1990 Playoffs.
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								by Kodiak » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:13 pm
			
			
			
			
			DrMalba wrote:Marvin Lewis has never won a playoff game as a HC. And Tomlin is far, far better of a coach than fucking Marvin Lewis, come the fuck on.
If they switched places - and QB's - I think both get very similar results.  Both are very average coaches.
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								by Havoc » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:38 pm
			
			
			
			
			Great win today!
1:12 left in the 4th behind by 1 point starting from our own 23, game winning drive.
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								by Kodiak » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:43 pm
			
			
			
			
			Havoc wrote:Great win today!
1:12 left in the 4th behind by 1 point starting from our own 23, game winning drive.
Ben to AB!
I honestly believe that was a season-saving drive.
Although, could have been called as an illegal pick play [I know NE runs that almost every play]....and then we'd be justifiably skewering Fitchner and Tomlin.
Nevermind you damn well better keep that flag in your pocket when CIN got away with at least 3-4 DPI's.
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								by Havoc » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:51 pm
			
			
			
			
			Kodiak wrote:Havoc wrote:Great win today!
1:12 left in the 4th behind by 1 point starting from our own 23, game winning drive.
Ben to AB!
I honestly believe that was a season-saving drive.
Although, could have been called as an illegal pick play [I know NE runs that almost every play]....and then we'd be justifiably skewering Fitchner and Tomlin.
Nevermind you damn well better keep that flag in your pocket when CIN got away with at least 3-4 DPI's.
 
It was a season saving, season changing drive.
Makes it interesting, at least.
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								by Obviously » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:53 pm
			
			
			
			
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								by drmalba » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:55 pm
			
			
			
			
			Kodiak wrote:DrMalba wrote:Marvin Lewis has never won a playoff game as a HC. And Tomlin is far, far better of a coach than fucking Marvin Lewis, come the fuck on.
If they switched places - and QB's - I think both get very similar results.  Both are very average coaches.
 
Never mind this is an unprovable what-if, its questionable on its face.
Both coaches have been given pretty solid pieces over the years at QB, WR, RB and on D.  We've seen the results.
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								by Kodiak » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:06 pm
			
			
			
			
			DrMalba wrote:Both coaches have been given pretty solid pieces over the years at QB, WR, RB and on D.  We've seen the results.
There's a pretty big difference at QB.
Also, Tomlin hasn't done much without Cowher's coaches an players.  He's truthfully a lot like Giggles, right down to the shockingly bad game management decisions.
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								by RemoAZ » Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:23 am
			
			
			
			
			Kodiak wrote:DrMalba wrote:Marvin Lewis has never won a playoff game as a HC. And Tomlin is far, far better of a coach than fucking Marvin Lewis, come the fuck on.
If they switched places - and QB's - I think both get very similar results.  Both are very average coaches.
 
I agree.
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								by bradshaw2ben » Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:37 am
			
			
			
			
			Stallworth16 wrote:bradshaw2ben wrote:Stallworth16 wrote:The Outlaw hatred is wrong.  
He’s a good athlete.  He’s a good player. 
James is only 24 years old.  Same as Heath 2nd year.
Artie Burns is only 23, and we've totally written him off already.
 
B2B, are you saying that we should wait on Burns or that James is not bad?
 
Me, personally... I think Jesse is fine as a #2 TE. Burns is worse now than he was as a rookie. Is that because he's a bust or because they don't use him right or because he's still young or because he's a headcase? Who knows.
 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
	
				
		
		
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								by bradshaw2ben » Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:39 am
			
			
			
			
			Kodiak wrote:Havoc wrote:Great win today!
1:12 left in the 4th behind by 1 point starting from our own 23, game winning drive.
Ben to AB!
I honestly believe that was a season-saving drive.
Although, could have been called as an illegal pick play [I know NE runs that almost every play]....and then we'd be justifiably skewering Fitchner and Tomlin.
Nevermind you damn well better keep that flag in your pocket when CIN got away with at least 3-4 DPI's.
 
Honestly, that wasn't even close to an illegal pick play.  The action basically happened at the LOS AND Hunter didn't even start blocking until AB had the ball.
 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
	
				
		
		
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								by bradshaw2ben » Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:40 am
			
			
			
			
			Kodiak wrote:DrMalba wrote:Both coaches have been given pretty solid pieces over the years at QB, WR, RB and on D.  We've seen the results.
There's a pretty big difference at QB.
Also, Tomlin hasn't done much without Cowher's coaches an players.  He's truthfully a lot like Giggles, right down to the shockingly bad game management decisions.
 
 
 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
	
				
		
		
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								by tbsteel » Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:43 am
			
			
			
			
			I think Burns' issues started when they started asking him to think and react. He was better as a rookie when they just asked him to man up a receiver, but you can't dumb down the playbook forever. He's still probably our best pure cover corner IMO, at least he was before his confidence was destroyed.
			
			
									
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								by steelmann58 » Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:36 am
			
			
			
			
			they better figure it out with Burns because he is going down hill fast.
			
			
									
										
						 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
	
				
		
		
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								by Obviously » Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:13 am
			
			
			
			
			steelmann58 wrote:they better figure it out with Burns because he is going down hill fast.
Watch him go to NE and turn into Derrelle Revis.
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								by Stallworth16 » Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:12 am
			
			
			
			
			Burns announced last year that he has CTE and his game has been slowly sliding ever since.   Whether Burns thinks he has CTE or whether CTE is actually affecting him doesn’t matter, same result. 
If Burns went to NE and went through the Bellichick regimen and system, could he revive his game? It’s a possibility.
			
			
									
										
						 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
	
				
		
		
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								by Sir Lambert » Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:38 am
			
			
			
			
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								by Stillerz Bar » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:26 am
			
			
			
			
			AirRescueFF wrote:Obviously wrote:I'm just realizing that this may come down to Boswell. Gulp.
Boz said the same.
 
Happiest guy on the Steelers at that point was Boz.  I know pro football players want to  "be the man" but with the season he's been having getting the win without the pressure of making the kick was the perfect finish.
 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
	
				
		
		
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								by Minkah'n History » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:16 am
			
			
			
			
			TB wrote:I think Burns' issues started when they started asking him to think and react. He was better as a rookie when they just asked him to man up a receiver, but you can't dumb down the playbook forever. He's still probably our best pure cover corner IMO, at least he was before his confidence was destroyed.
Yep.
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								by SteelWIll » Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:29 pm
			
			
			
			
			I remember watching the future HoF Mel Blount get burned year after year by Cliff Branch and others as a teenager and wondered why he was still out there playing....Burns is still very young as BtB pointed out earlier...Burns needs to be coached up, and to get his emotions under control...It took Blount years to achieve his dominance...
			
			
									
										
						 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
	
				
		
		
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								by Legacy User » Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:29 am
			
			
			
			
			SteelWill wrote:I remember watching the future HoF Mel Blount get burned year after year by Cliff Branch and others as a teenager and wondered why he was still out there playing....Burns is still very young as BtB pointed out earlier...Burns needs to be coached up, and to get his emotions under control...It took Blount years to achieve his dominance...
Cliff Branch and Raymond Chester and Fred Taylor....I always thought they were Steeler Killers.
 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
	
				
		
		
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								by Obviously » Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:30 pm
			
			
			
			
			SteelWill wrote:I remember watching the future HoF Mel Blount get burned year after year by Cliff Branch and others as a teenager and wondered why he was still out there playing....Burns is still very young as BtB pointed out earlier...Burns needs to be coached up, and to get his emotions under control...It took Blount years to achieve his dominance...
Yes, Branch was his Achilles heel, but Branch was every DB's Achilles heel.  It's mind boggling why he isn't in the HOF.
It did not take Blount long to master his craft. When he became a starter in '72, he didn't allow a single TD his way. By '75 he was at the top of his game being the defensive player of the year and leading the league in INT's.
Comparing Artie Burned to Mel Blount is laughable.
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								by SteelWIll » Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:02 pm
			
			
			
			
			my point is:  it took Blount a few to several years to rise to the pinnacle that he rose to.  Burns is in his early 20's and has played 2 seasons plus...The similarities b/w he and Blount at this stage of their respective careers is not something that is laughable.  They are quite comp[arable...
			
			
									
										
						 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
	
				
		
		
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								by StillMadAtSlobber » Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:43 pm
			
			
			
			
			RemoAZ wrote:DrMalba wrote:MUAHAHAHHAAH
If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result, they need a new word for what Mike Brown and Marvin Lewis have accomplished here with Cincy.  Six straight losses at home to Pitt going back to 2013.
How has Marvin Lewis kept his job for as long as he has? This guy has stolen more money than all the other bad HC's combined. 
 
I don't think he stole more than Jeff Fisher has.
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								by COR-TEN » Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:57 pm
			
			
			
			
			Obviously wrote:SteelWill wrote:I remember watching the future HoF Mel Blount get burned year after year by Cliff Branch and others as a teenager and wondered why he was still out there playing....Burns is still very young as BtB pointed out earlier...Burns needs to be coached up, and to get his emotions under control...It took Blount years to achieve his dominance...
Yes, Branch was his Achilles heel, but Branch was every DB's Achilles heel.  It's mind boggling why he isn't in the HOF.
It did not take Blount long to master his craft. When he became a starter in '72, he didn't allow a single TD his way. By '75 he was at the top of his game being the defensive player of the year and leading the league in INT's.
Comparing Artie Burned to Mel Blount is laughable.
 
Not disputing what you are saying (I don't have an opinion), but Blount was allowed to maul receivers half way down the field. Until he couldn't in '77. Blount also has 3 inches on Burns.
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								by StillMadAtSlobber » Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:31 pm
			
			
			
			
			One day Artie Burns hopes to be worthy of carrying the jock of the guy worthy of carrying Mel Blount's jock.
			
			
									
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