I kind of don't hate the Patriots anymore

[Legacy User]

My hatred grows by the year

Fuck them

[Obviously]

I hate guys like Jesse James more.

Tomlin more.

I hate fuck ups that masquerade as Steeler players and coaches MUCH, MUCH more.

Same here, except I'd replace Jesse James with Xavier Grimble. JJ's fumble was like JuJu's fumble, a mistake that came from a desperation last effort move. Grimble's fumble was the result of pure showboating arrogance, putting yourself above the team and thinking that you're better than what you really are. The "X-Man" is the personification of late-stage Tomlinism.

Belichick would have cut Grimble before the game ended. Tomlin will have him back on the roster next year.

Before that play I actually liked Grimble. Fucker is dead to me now.

[Legacy User]

My hatred grows by the year

Fuck them

[Legacy User]

I still hate the Pats. Go Rams!

[Stlcrtn1974]

I kind of dont give a fuck anymore. The game is ruined with all the new rules. The Patriots just got very lucky when Belichick and Brady fell to them. Belichick is a great coach but not the best ever. The best ever never loses to a team 3 times in 1 year and I dont give a fuck what team he was coaching. Also if Brady played with the "old" rules, where you can hit a QB, his career would have ended after 9 or 10 seasons.
This is a watered down product. How the fuck does the officiating get worse with all the technology. The NFL is scripted and got what they wanted, Las Angeles vs Boston, good for them.

[Jobu]

here, let me cancel your apathy..... remember Flutie gave this on field account of what he discovered with the Adams cheating. He was interviewed by radio sports guy Dan LeBatard (Tampa sports radio) now of BSPN

O’Leary — suggests Patriots “director of football research” Ernie Adams, a prep-school chum of Belichick from Phillips Academy in Andover, Mass., was the nerve center behind the chicanery.

Offensive plays would be called based on stolen signals and the information relayed straight to Brady’s helmet, O’Leary theorizes.

In this scenario, the extra frequency is critical, as it allows the team to do something in real time with the stolen signals, out of earshot of the NFL monitor, and change its plays accordingly.

If there’s an open channel during the play itself, you can also alert the quarterback to open receivers he may not see.

O’Leary repeats a rumor that Pats backup quarterback Doug Flutie once said he accidentally picked up Brady’s helmet during the 2005 season.

“He was amazed that the coaches kept right on speaking to Brady past the 15-second cutoff, right up until the snap,” ­according to O’Leary.

“The voice in Tom Brady’s helmet was explaining the exact defense he was about to face.”

Flutie was asked this another time and he deflected, meaning the Foxboro Wiseguys got to him.

Thing is, it wasn't a rumor as reported in the quoted article. This is why Tom used to boast from the post game podium that "it's easy when you know the answers to the test" That interview transcript and video have been scrubbed from the internet over 5 years ago.

SO, I STILL say their first 3 SB wins are not legit. The other 2 I can give them credit.

Ummm...OK, let me get this straight. So Flutie picks up Brady’s helmet and hears th3 coaches relaying info to Tom past the 15 second cutoff. So was Brady on the field helmet-less, or does he use multiple helmets in game?
The Pats have obviously cheated in the past, and I believe they probably still do...but I’m calling bullshit on this one.

[jeemie]

The turning point in my Patriot hate was when they came back and won that super bowl vs the Falcons. The hate turned to mad respect. That said, go Rams.

That’s when I started realizing almost all other head coaches not named Bill Belichick are pretty fucking stupid.

Doug Peterson is probably the closest to Belichick right now.

[Legacy User]

We're starting to sound like kidnap victims who have fallen in love with our captors.

[stillthere]

here, let me cancel your apathy..... remember Flutie gave this on field account of what he discovered with the Adams cheating. He was interviewed by radio sports guy Dan LeBatard (Tampa sports radio) now of BSPN

O’Leary — suggests Patriots “director of football research” Ernie Adams, a prep-school chum of Belichick from Phillips Academy in Andover, Mass., was the nerve center behind the chicanery.

Offensive plays would be called based on stolen signals and the information relayed straight to Brady’s helmet, O’Leary theorizes.

In this scenario, the extra frequency is critical, as it allows the team to do something in real time with the stolen signals, out of earshot of the NFL monitor, and change its plays accordingly.

If there’s an open channel during the play itself, you can also alert the quarterback to open receivers he may not see.

O’Leary repeats a rumor that Pats backup quarterback Doug Flutie once said he accidentally picked up Brady’s helmet during the 2005 season.

“He was amazed that the coaches kept right on speaking to Brady past the 15-second cutoff, right up until the snap,” ­according to O’Leary.

“The voice in Tom Brady’s helmet was explaining the exact defense he was about to face.”

Flutie was asked this another time and he deflected, meaning the Foxboro Wiseguys got to him.

Thing is, it wasn't a rumor as reported in the quoted article. This is why Tom used to boast from the post game podium that "it's easy when you know the answers to the test" That interview transcript and video have been scrubbed from the internet over 5 years ago.

SO, I STILL say their first 3 SB wins are not legit. The other 2 I can give them credit.

Ummm...OK, let me get this straight. So Flutie picks up Brady’s helmet and hears th3 coaches relaying info to Tom past the 15 second cutoff. So was Brady on the field helmet-less, or does he use multiple helmets in game?
The Pats have obviously cheated in the past, and I believe they probably still do...but I’m calling bullshit on this one.

Green Dot helmets have the wired in technology. So QB's all have them plus the D huddle guy. The inference is that the radio signal crossed over to Flutie's helmet speaker or rig.

Don't remember when they added the Defensive green dot but it was after the QB's as a direct result of the QB's and Offenses being able to relay plays at much more tempo than before.

[stillthere]

I have never felt there was not some real shady shit with the video tape scandal. Just burning the tapes???

Fuck that.
They had a system and we deserve as fans to know how they cheated and what they were concentrating on.
Hard to not see the league turn a blind eye to so much everything.
The league and the rogue element were much more at odds when it was Oakland vs NFL than they are with NE vs NFL. Almost looks like they are chums and look out for each other.

[Old School Steeler]

I have never felt there was not some real shady shit with the video tape scandal. Just burning the tapes???

Fuck that.
They had a system and we deserve as fans to know how they cheated and what they were concentrating on.
Hard to not see the league turn a blind eye to so much everything.
The league and the rogue element were much more at odds when it was Oakland vs NFL than they are with NE vs NFL. Almost looks like they are chums and look out for each other.

Again, if something is too good to be true then it isn't. In certain games Brady's decisions are uncanny. No one can process that quickly under the conditions of being surrounded by 300 lb men who want to inflict damage & 280 lb men attempting to stop that damage and 60,000 fans screaming. At times other quarterbacks can release the ball quickly under conditions of short outs or quick slants but they cannot do it consistently. On other plays those same quarterbacks, with the same physical skills as Brady; Ben, Mahomes, etc. have to wait for routes to develop before they can release. There has to be an explanation, is Brady mentally quicker than any other quarterback that is ever played, his recognition of the open downfield receiver faster? We've never heard rumors of cheating, spying or technology advantages swirling about any other team. Envy or real?

People have a bullshit detector, mine says there's something unholy, something not right with their success. Like Lance Armstrong, too good to be true. Few begrudge the legit dynasties, the Patriots evoke disgust. The savant cheating radio thing makes a lot of sense. There were games this year when Brady looked pedestrian, part of the script or technology issues preventing him from getting reads from the savant and the savant's data base? Elway did that. In the road losses this year, aside from Miami fluke, was his technology shut down by owners that had enough?

Romo's comments, there was glee in his voice when the Chiefs picked that pass late 4th, saying game over if flag on NE. Other comments, killing the play a euphemism for call coming in from upstairs? Are they sophisticated enough for Ernie to give him two plays in the huddle based on predictable defensive alignment, give Brady the call seconds before snap and he communicates same by hand?

Orwell published 1984 in 1949, critics said it was bullshit, but here we are. Strange how he died a few years later, a young healthy man getting sick that way.

[Ice]

I hate guys like Jesse James more.

Tomlin more.

I hate fuck ups that masquerade as Steeler players and coaches MUCH, MUCH more.

I agree

I agree, until I spend 30 seconds or more talking to a smug, smarmy Patriots fan.

[Jobu]

Green Dot helmets have the wired in technology. So QB's all have them plus the D huddle guy. The inference is that the radio signal crossed over to Flutie's helmet speaker or rig.

Don't remember when they added the Defensive green dot but it was after the QB's as a direct result of the QB's and Offenses being able to relay plays at much more tempo than before.

The “story” specifically says...

O’Leary repeats a rumor that Pats backup quarterback Doug Flutie once said he accidentally picked up Brady’s helmet during the 2005 season.

This one is just hard to grasp.

As for the defensive green dot...wasn’t that a direct result of Spygate?

[jeemie]

Defensive radio helmet actually came up for a vote twice before Spygate as a way to give the defnese the same advantage offenses had, bit it didn’t pass until after Spygate...so yes, Spygate was the catalyst.

No doubt in my mind the Patriots cheated, and probably still cheat/bend the rules in ways we haven’t even thought of yet. However, the Flutie story was an unfounded piece of shit. Bryan O’Leary’s book was an unfounded speculative piece of shit.

[stillthere]

The “story” specifically says...

O’Leary repeats a rumor that Pats backup quarterback Doug Flutie once said he accidentally picked up Brady’s helmet during the 2005 season.

I still read that as getting the signal crossed. But what do I know? I am not Doug Flutie.

[Donnie Brasco]

Was thinking about Belicheck the other day and his roots, then how he became the Cleveland HC.

What if Modell doesn't move the Browns? Belicheck remains the Cleveland coach...he turned a mediocre group there into a playoff team.

You wonder if Modell gives BB the kind of power and leeway personnel-wise that Kraft currently does? Would Cleveland had the amount of success that NE has had?

[Suwanee88]

I hate our team far more right now

[Obviously]

I hate our team far more right now

StillerInCT wins the thread.

[Vertical Steel]

I don't hate them either. I hate the fact that they cheated in past years, but I can't keep holding that against them for their current, prolonged success. I definitely want the Rams to beat them, but really it just comes down to me being extremely tired of seeing them in the Super Bowl. I don't even give a shit that they would tie the Steelers for 6... if they win, they will have earned it. To be fair, I'm just as tired of seeing Alabama and Clemson in the BCS Championship.

[StillMadAtSlobber]

I don't hate them either. I hate the fact that they cheated in past years, but I can't keep holding that against them for their current, prolonged success. I definitely want the Rams to beat them, but really it just comes down to me being extremely tired of seeing them in the Super Bowl. I don't even give a shit that they would tie the Steelers for 6... if they win, they will have earned it. To be fair, I'm just as tired of seeing Alabama and Clemson in the BCS Championship.

This. I can not get worked up over the Patriots success given the way our team is run. We are playing checkers to their chess on multiple levels.

[R_S]

The turning point in my Patriot hate was when they came back and won that super bowl vs the Falcons. The hate turned to mad respect. That said, go Rams.

I felt sick to my stomach after that game. And I have no love for Atlanta.

[Legacy User]

The turning point in my Patriot hate was when they came back and won that super bowl vs the Falcons. The hate turned to mad respect. That said, go Rams.

I felt sick to my stomach after that game. And I have no love for Atlanta.

Fixed AF SuperBowl, in no way was legitimate