Pats Video Crew at Bengals Browns Game under Investigation

[BethlehemSteel]

Burn the franchise down. They're smug and arrogant, and their Championships are tainted.

https://twitter.com/FOXSports/status/12 ... 8596816896

https://youtu.be/curK3V_SXkM

The guy is caught and they're rolling sideline and field, totally under the FBOps directory, Has to be from bb and Ernie


Ernie and BB need to be Pete Rosed and now.

[Kodiak]

Here is some of the video that Jay Glazer got:

https://www.instagram.com/tv/B6Ghw44BvT ... 2fjhsspgwn

And, of course, Bradshaw, JJ and Howie Long putting up league-mandated excuses "they paid a heavy fine last time, he would do it again....I can't believe they'd be that stupid.....they don't need to do this to beat CIN"

[chippedhamsandwich]

Here is some of the video that Jay Glazer got:

https://www.instagram.com/tv/B6Ghw44BvT ... 2fjhsspgwn

And, of course, Bradshaw, JJ and Howie Long putting up league-mandated excuses "they paid a heavy fine last time, he would do it again....I can't believe they'd be that stupid.....they don't need to do this to beat CIN"

Strahan seemed to not buy into this bullshit, maybe because he is the only NFL dude on that panel who had to experience that shit (although he conquered the Patriots attempts).

Too much SMOKE and some for real now FIRE, Goodell needs to address this, Mike Brown needs the Rooney’s to have his back on this, get other owners to act

[Kodiak]

Too much SMOKE and some for real now FIRE, Goodell needs to address this, Mike Brown needs the Rooney’s to have his back on this, get other owners to act

Strahan only does this gig because he wants to. Unlike the other guys, he doesn't need the income. Strahan makes like 10-15X what those guys are getting from Fox Sports.

[BethlehemSteel]

Here is some of the video that Jay Glazer got:

https://www.instagram.com/tv/B6Ghw44BvT ... 2fjhsspgwn

And, of course, Bradshaw, JJ and Howie Long putting up league-mandated excuses "they paid a heavy fine last time, he would do it again....I can't believe they'd be that stupid.....they don't need to do this to beat CIN"

Strahan on the money

3rd offense like this NE ......got totally let off hook in 2007 but the league destroying the evidence

[Kodiak]

The league better not pretend like the film operation is a separate entity with no connection to Belicheat.

I love that this leaked. But you know all the national NFL media are going to cover just like Terry, Howie and JJ. The league will bury anyone who doesn't follow the script

[Kodiak]

LMFAO....check out the title from www.boston.com

https://www.boston.com/sports/new-engla ... ideotaping
"Fox airs footage it claims shows Patriots illegally videotaping"

[chippedhamsandwich]

The league better not pretend like the film operation is a separate entity with no connection to Belicheat.

I love that this leaked. But you know all the national NFL media are going to cover just like Terry, Howie and JJ. The league will bury anyone who doesn't follow the script

Yeah the Patriots will tell you what a TIGHT SHIP they have, and everyone who is onboard is following the Patriot Way right?!?!

Then they want to say that Bill Belichick doesn’t know about this?!??!?

FUCK OFF, the NFL NEEDS TO DROP THE HAMMER ON THIS SHIT

[Kodiak]

Yeah the Patriots will tell you what a TIGHT SHIP they have,...

And on top of Belicheat claiming he has no contact with the film crew, the camera guy was an independent contractor.

So you could see the manufactured excuse and deniability - How would we tell an IC to do that? Why would we take that risk?


What you won't know is how much that guy is paid to keep his mouth shut. But what would be much more interesting is to know what the interview for that job was like. Because that's how you really cover your ass - make the guy prove he's a lifelong, diehard NE fan. The guy will never talk, because he cares about the NE dynasty maybe even more than Belicheat and Kraft.

[franco32]

Holy crap, that is bad. The Bengals guy is hilarious..."where is the advance scout you are filming...I don't see him anywhere"

We are now to believe that this independent contractor with the thickest Boston accent alive just so happens to film the sideline and substitutions.....and he did so by mistake. So, he aimed the camera the wrong way and pan the wrong way by mistake? Fck you cheating assholes.

This sort of crap makes me sick because there are a lot of franchises over the last 20 years that lost close games to these pieces of garbage. There were players, coaches, and fans who put their blood sweat and tears into their team only to run into a team that knows their signals, substitutions, and formations.

[chippedhamsandwich]

Yes, the videographer is not a Patriots employee, he is an employee of Robert Kraft, he stated this when asked who he worked for when being confronted.

This is all calculated shit, Roger Goodell is getting played like the fucking CLOWN he is

[Kodiak]

Yes, the videographer is not a Patriots employee, he is an employee of Robert Kraft, he stated this when asked who he worked for when being confronted.

This is all calculated shit, Roger Goodell is getting played like the fucking CLOWN he is

Actually, that's perfect. Not that there was really any doubt, but it proves Kraft was an active part of the scheme.

[drmalba]

Burn the franchise down. They're smug and arrogant, and their Championships are tainted.

https://twitter.com/FOXSports/status/12 ... 8596816896

https://youtu.be/curK3V_SXkM

This is amazing and hilarious. I can't wait to hear the hot takes in the area tomorrow, considering they had all kinds of 'B roll' spin. Instead It's like a low rent grift from a Coen brothers movie.

[Kodiak]

This is amazing and hilarious. I can't wait to hear the hot takes in the area tomorrow, considering they had all kinds of 'B roll' spin. Instead It's like a low rent grift from a Coen brothers movie.

I'd bet one of the reasons was to duplicate the playsheets. Those probably change a little week-to-week, but if you can peak at that you see their favorite play calls for different situations, down/distance. Here's their 10 favorite 3rd and short plays - based on the personnel they just sent out, they are running 1 of these 3 plays. HUGE ADVANTAGE!!!

We've heard stories about them going thru hotels and locker rooms to steal the playsheets. Well, with a commercial camera focused on their sideline all game you probably eventually get the whole thing on tape. You're literally sitting there looking over the coach's shoulder.

[blu]

I hope this doesn't count as involving politics as it was almost 50 years ago. The Patriot denials sound like Richard Nixon denying knowledge about his cronies breaking into the Democrats headquarters to steal files. The Patriots should be penalized more than a first round pick this time & the monetary fine should be in 8 figures with all the money going to former NFL players with head injury problems.

[bradshaw2ben]

I hope this doesn't count as involving politics as it was almost 50 years ago. The Patriot denials sound like Richard Nixon denying knowledge about his cronies breaking into the Democrats headquarters to steal files. The Patriots should be penalized more than a first round pick this time & the monetary fine should be in 8 figures with all the money going to former NFL players with head injury problems.

I made this point on twitter this week.

Just as it was true for Watergate... it's not about the stupid and pointless thing it seems like they are accused of stealing. In order for it to be this important to them to risk the consequences, there has to be more to it.

[BethlehemSteel]

Last weeks toughy take

Yes the league as compromised

https://www.thefixisin.net/the-2019-nfl-season

[BethlehemSteel]

Cheats suspend Kraft Sports producer

https://www.boston.com/sports/new-engla ... deographer

So he’s 3rd party ? How can he be suspended by a company he doesn’t work directly for ? Well they are throwing the baby out with the bath water saying the film guy was 3rd party?

They keep pulling the wool

Edited. The guy is the producer

[Steelafan77]

In the End Kraft has Disgraced the League more than once. This is the 3rd time they've been caught trying to gain some sort of advantage in this sport implementing ILLEGAL Tactics. Kraft should be made to sell the team and the whole staff be banned from NFL indefinitely. From the owner to the field hands and bathroom cleaning staff.

[blu]

I hope this doesn't count as involving politics as it was almost 50 years ago. The Patriot denials sound like Richard Nixon denying knowledge about his cronies breaking into the Democrats headquarters to steal files. The Patriots should be penalized more than a first round pick this time & the monetary fine should be in 8 figures with all the money going to former NFL players with head injury problems.

I made this point on twitter this week.

Just as it was true for Watergate... it's not about the stupid and pointless thing it seems like they are accused of stealing. In order for it to be this important to them to risk the consequences, there has to be more to it.

So true.

[LakecrestSteeler]

We haven’t heard what type of camera it was either.

Could they have ponied up the money for a gigapixel camera or something in between?

With one of those you could see the dots on the i’s of the playsheet.

Those MIT guys are pretty smart too.

[the-other-burg]

People that use “why would they need this against cincy” as an excuse - I see it a different way, they dont need it against cincy, but this team is so addicted to cheating that they did it anyway. Pretty remarkable to take a risk like that.

[El Kabong]

People that use “why would they need this against cincy” as an excuse - I see it a different way, they dont need it against cincy, but this team is so addicted to cheating that they did it anyway. Pretty remarkable to take a risk like that.

My thinking is that these coaches may be around a long time. Maybe they'll be part of a better team in the future. You always have to add to the library when you can. It's not just about this week's game.

[Kodiak]

My thinking is that these coaches may be around a long time. Maybe they'll be part of a better team in the future. You always have to add to the library when you can. It's not just about this week's game.

And they get better the more they do it.

The more data they gather, the better their algorithms get. They've been doing this 20 years and had been caught once. Why wouldn't they do it every week? Losing to CIN could cost you seeding - Belicheat doesn't take weeks off!!!

[bradshaw2ben]

We haven’t heard what type of camera it was either.

Could they have ponied up the money for a gigapixel camera or something in between?

With one of those you could see the dots on the i’s of the playsheet.

Those MIT guys are pretty smart too.

that camera is shooting at least 6K. Possibly 8K.

[Donnie Brasco]

Cheats suspend Kraft Sports producer

https://www.boston.com/sports/new-engla ... deographer

So he’s 3rd party ? How can he be suspended by a company he doesn’t work directly for ? Well they are throwing the baby out with the bath water saying the film guy was 3rd party?

They keep pulling the wool

Edited. The guy is the producer

Oh NO! Not the Sports Producer, that'll surely handcuff them!

I mean until these punishments have teeth, they'll continue to do it

If you say my odds will go up about 75% to win individual games and I'll have 6 championships in 20 years. The downside is that I lose some draft picks and I'm fined a bit of money. I mean why wouldn't I continue to pursue those methods?

It's like taking your teenagers phone away for 5 minutes after wrecking the family car....

[BethlehemSteel]

Hope this time the owners tell goofwell that’s it. The ‘rob-n-tugger’ drunk be made to suffer harshly to end more cheating attempts

This has all very predictable. Only caught 3 times but the accusations have been dozens in 20 yrs

It’s the only way to get them to wake up

No playoffs for a year or 2, bb suspended. Adams banned

Kraft suspended for article 46 violations all of them

Those excuses are spygate excuses. Just drop the hammer

[BethlehemSteel]

This is amazing and hilarious. I can't wait to hear the hot takes in the area tomorrow, considering they had all kinds of 'B roll' spin. Instead It's like a low rent grift from a Coen brothers movie.

I'd bet one of the reasons was to duplicate the playsheets. Those probably change a little week-to-week, but if you can peak at that you see their favorite play calls for different situations, down/distance. Here's their 10 favorite 3rd and short plays - based on the personnel they just sent out, they are running 1 of these 3 plays. HUGE ADVANTAGE!!!

We've heard stories about them going thru hotels and locker rooms to steal the playsheets. Well, with a commercial camera focused on their sideline all game you probably eventually get the whole thing on tape. You're literally sitting there looking over the coach's shoulder.

I think the tape release now can paint that scenario as what they're trying to do exactly.

[ToddHaleysNineIron]

I hope to god teams are getting wise to this act.

The NFL won't do anything. Its on the teams to follow around any and every patriots employee they see. If the fucker talks with a Boston asshole accent, then follow them around with two guys.

I'd check the locker room in Foxboro for bugs before letting my guy dress in it. I'd ensure we have new hand signals for that week - and yes the extra time spent learning it would be worth it.

Hell I'd even put together a fake walkthrough if it was Patriots week.

This would be a major burdon on the team I'm sure... but they gotta suck it up. The benefits of counter espionage against these massholes is far more beneficial than a player who might miss an assignment.

[Jobu]

I'd check the locker room in Foxboro for bugs before letting my guy dress in it.

Apparently, teams have been doing this for years...