After Goodell's Latest Words, Will A Team Hire Kaepernick?

[blu]

Colin Kaepernick is better than the 2 stiffs who quarterbacked the Steelers last season.

[stillthere]

I would doubt it for 2 reasons. His salary demands and the media circus that nobody in the NFL wants around their team. It is more than talent that gets players into the NFL.

[Texas Black & Gold]

Colin Kaepernick is better than the 2 stiffs who quarterbacked the Steelers last season.

Whether he is a better QB than the "2 stiffs who quarterbacked the Steelers last season," or not is not the issue. 1. I don't think Colin wants to be a backup. 2. I doubt the Steelers have the kind of money needed to obtain his services. 3. I still think he is too controversial to play in the NFL.

[tbsteel]

Kaepernick has no genuine interest in being a NFL player anymore.

[K_C_]

Kaepernick has no genuine interest in being a NFL player anymore.

You're probably right. The stance he took cost Kaepernick the rest of his NFL career, but he's turned into a legendary figure for racial equality.

I think Kaepernick's probably cool with that.

[Charles Demarr]

He's making plenty of money. Nike is not paying him peanuts. He won't be back.

[VeritasSteel]

I think that Kaepernick wants to back in the league. I think it's easy to put our own roadblocks in the way of why we wouldn't want him.

A lot of us would sit down and take the Nike money. But none of us have played QB in the NFL or been this close to leading the comeback of ages to win a SB. He never really got a chance to prove it wasn't a fluke. So the competitor would be open to show you, me, and everyone else that he is a good QB. Black or not. And what he gave up was a sacrifice, not some "well I suck might as well make a statement" schtick.

If he ended up with us I would be okay with it. He makes Rudolph and Duck obsolete. But if I am Tampa, I get him in there and get rid of Gabbert. He'll take a backup role to Brady just to learn the system and Arians is a great coach for a guy with a bit of an ax to grind.

My question is do you go get Eric Reid to play safety?

[COR-TEN]

I think that Kaepernick wants to back in the league. I think it's easy to put our own roadblocks in the way of why we wouldn't want him.

A lot of us would sit down and take the Nike money. But none of us have played QB in the NFL or been this close to leading the comeback of ages to win a SB. He never really got a chance to prove it wasn't a fluke. So the competitor would be open to show you, me, and everyone else that he is a good QB. Black or not. And what he gave up was a sacrifice, not some "well I suck might as well make a statement" schtick.

If he ended up with us I would be okay with it. He makes Rudolph and Duck obsolete. But if I am Tampa, I get him in there and get rid of Gabbert. He'll take a backup role to Brady just to learn the system and Arians is a great coach for a guy with a bit of an ax to grind.

Yep.

I'd take him as a back up, provided he passed all the tests given to him by the coaching staff. MR and Duck can battle it out for #3, but MR should win. . . as much as I like the duck story.

[zeke5123]

Is there evidence he is any good? He wasn't great his last couple of seasons, and he has been out of the NFL for a long while. People are justifiably worried about Big Ben coming back after a year with no reps. But a lesser talent after multiple years?

Is there evidence he wants to be a back-up? This has been disputed but based on some reports his last attempt at setting up an audition was actually a publicity stunt.

Given the above, does it make sense? I guess if he is actually good and is committed to being a back-up, but my guess is he isn't better than Rudolph at this point. I think I'd rather try the Cam Newton route though...

[bradshaw2ben]

Kaep 2016:
16 TD, 4 INT, 6.8 YPA, 7.2 AY/A, 90.7 QB rat, 6.8 YPC, 2 TD

2019 Steelers QBs:
18 TD, 18 INT, 6.2 YPA , 5.3 AY/A 76.2 QB rat , 2.7 YPC, 0 TD

[Steelafan77]

Correct me if I'm wrong... I was under the impression Kaep wasn't interested in playing for a lesser team as a back up and for less than $20Mil per.... If this is in fact the case it's no wonder he hasn't had a decent job opportunity. If this is all smoke and mirrors than I say some [smart] NFL team needs to make it a priority and sign him.

That whole tryouts thing he and the NFL tried to cordinate was an absolute disaster. That really didn't play out well for either.

[K_C_]

Correct me if I'm wrong... I was under the impression Kaep wasn't interested in playing for a lesser team as a back up and for less than $20Mil per.... If this is in fact the case it's no wonder he hasn't had a decent job opportunity. If this is all smoke and mirrors than I say some [smart] NFL team needs to make it a priority and sign him.

That whole tryouts thing he and the NFL tried to cordinate was an absolute disaster. That really didn't play out well for either.

His agent said all that stuff was horseshit. Especially that he only wanted to be a starter.

[zeke5123]

Kaep 2016:
16 TD, 4 INT, 6.8 YPA, 7.2 AY/A, 90.7 QB rat, 6.8 YPC, 2 TD

2019 Steelers QBs:
18 TD, 18 INT, 6.2 YPA , 5.3 AY/A 76.2 QB rat , 2.7 YPC, 0 TD

Thanks for (accidentally?) proving my point.

1. As we all know, the most important "basic" stat when judging how good a QB is (i.e., the stat tha tmost predicts future wins) it is YPA. CK's YPA was...pretty god awful in 2016. So bad that it was only about 0.6 yards better than one of the worst QBing groups in the NFL last year.

2. But he had a lot of TDs! But TDs aren't perfect because they fluctuate a lot between different years and can be the result of garbage time. For example, look at CK's prior year. There he only threw...6 TDs. Albeit, less passes but pace was far off 16 TDs. In that year, CK had a YPA of 6.6. Once again, not good. Oh, for what it is worth he had five interceptions that year (i.e., more interceptions than in his "good" 2016).

3. Context of when these stats were put up is important. CK's record in 2016 was 1-10 (wasn't much better in 2015). His team was trailing a lot. It is easier to rack up some stats when behind compared to a competitive game (of course defense can just attack the passer as well -- really depends on score situation). We'd need more data but important to note that CK's stats were put up in a very bad season. It also fair to look at other QBs. Blaine Gabbert was worse so that is a + for CK.

4. Okay -- from that what can we tell? Well it seems that we likely could've expected CK of 2016 to be better than the Steelers' shitty QB play in 2019 but only marginally-so (i.e., CK of 2016 was likely a good back-up; nothing more). So, after three years of not playing competitive football, we expect CK to ... be just as "good" as he was in 2016 (i.e., a good back-up)? Seems much more likely that he isn't even third string quality at this point compared to him being a solid back-up.

[rooneytunes]

Kurt Warner was really good at the start of his career, then deminished bigtime and was almost out of the league, then almost beat us in the SB

CK should be given a chance to do the same.

[zeke5123]

Kurt Warner was really good at the start of his career, then deminished bigtime and was almost out of the league, then almost beat us in the SB

CK should be given a chance to do the same.

That is like saying we should sign every UDFA LBer out of Kent State. Afterall, Harrison fit that profile.

You play the odds. Generally, QBers that put up bad numbers contiune to put up bad numbers. In addition. any evidence QBs can produce after missing three years (not just not playing snaps; literally being out of the NFL).

This is delussional thinking.

[rooneytunes]

"No one is going to sign you because your too controversial. So you are not going to be back.

Now there seems to be an opportunity to come back.

Wait, because we kept you out, the time away most likely eroded your skill level. Now your not going to be signed because of that"

[bradshaw2ben]

Kaep 2016:
16 TD, 4 INT, 6.8 YPA, 7.2 AY/A, 90.7 QB rat, 6.8 YPC, 2 TD

2019 Steelers QBs:
18 TD, 18 INT, 6.2 YPA , 5.3 AY/A 76.2 QB rat , 2.7 YPC, 0 TD

Thanks for (accidentally?) proving my point.

1. As we all know, the most important "basic" stat when judging how good a QB is (i.e., the stat tha tmost predicts future wins) it is YPA. CK's YPA was...pretty god awful in 2016. So bad that it was only about 0.6 yards better than one of the worst QBing groups in the NFL last year.

2. But he had a lot of TDs! But TDs aren't perfect because they fluctuate a lot between different years and can be the result of garbage time. For example, look at CK's prior year. There he only threw...6 TDs. Albeit, less passes but pace was far off 16 TDs. In that year, CK had a YPA of 6.6. Once again, not good. Oh, for what it is worth he had five interceptions that year (i.e., more interceptions than in his "good" 2016).

3. Context of when these stats were put up is important. CK's record in 2016 was 1-10 (wasn't much better in 2015). His team was trailing a lot. It is easier to rack up some stats when behind compared to a competitive game (of course defense can just attack the passer as well -- really depends on score situation). We'd need more data but important to note that CK's stats were put up in a very bad season. It also fair to look at other QBs. Blaine Gabbert was worse so that is a + for CK.

4. Okay -- from that what can we tell? Well it seems that we likely could've expected CK of 2016 to be better than the Steelers' shitty QB play in 2019 but only marginally-so (i.e., CK of 2016 was likely a good back-up; nothing more). So, after three years of not playing competitive football, we expect CK to ... be just as "good" as he was in 2016 (i.e., a good back-up)? Seems much more likely that he isn't even third string quality at this point compared to him being a solid back-up.

Here are SF's 2016 starters at WR & TE:
Jeremy Kerley, Quinton Patton, Torrey Smith, & Garrett Celek
his OL was 30th in pass protection

I think that made a little bit of a difference, even if we agree that CK is basically an above-average backup.

[zeke5123]

@bradshaw2ben

I think we agree that CK was a good back-up. I am far from convinced that he is a good back-up today.

[zeke5123]

"No one is going to sign you because your too controversial. So you are not going to be back.

Now there seems to be an opportunity to come back.

Wait, because we kept you out, the time away most likely eroded your skill level. Now your not going to be signed because of that"

So, what team is going to take the hit? Are you honestly advocating a team put a worse product on the field today because of an alleged past harm (let's say for sake of argument you are 100% correct)? That doesn't seem fair on a lot of grounds.

[K_C_]

Kaep 2016:
16 TD, 4 INT, 6.8 YPA, 7.2 AY/A, 90.7 QB rat, 6.8 YPC, 2 TD

2019 Steelers QBs:
18 TD, 18 INT, 6.2 YPA , 5.3 AY/A 76.2 QB rat , 2.7 YPC, 0 TD

Thanks for (accidentally?) proving my point.

1. As we all know, the most important "basic" stat when judging how good a QB is (i.e., the stat tha tmost predicts future wins) it is YPA. CK's YPA was...pretty god awful in 2016. So bad that it was only about 0.6 yards better than one of the worst QBing groups in the NFL last year.

2. But he had a lot of TDs! But TDs aren't perfect because they fluctuate a lot between different years and can be the result of garbage time. For example, look at CK's prior year. There he only threw...6 TDs. Albeit, less passes but pace was far off 16 TDs. In that year, CK had a YPA of 6.6. Once again, not good. Oh, for what it is worth he had five interceptions that year (i.e., more interceptions than in his "good" 2016).

3. Context of when these stats were put up is important. CK's record in 2016 was 1-10 (wasn't much better in 2015). His team was trailing a lot. It is easier to rack up some stats when behind compared to a competitive game (of course defense can just attack the passer as well -- really depends on score situation). We'd need more data but important to note that CK's stats were put up in a very bad season. It also fair to look at other QBs. Blaine Gabbert was worse so that is a + for CK.

4. Okay -- from that what can we tell? Well it seems that we likely could've expected CK of 2016 to be better than the Steelers' shitty QB play in 2019 but only marginally-so (i.e., CK of 2016 was likely a good back-up; nothing more). So, after three years of not playing competitive football, we expect CK to ... be just as "good" as he was in 2016 (i.e., a good back-up)? Seems much more likely that he isn't even third string quality at this point compared to him being a solid back-up.

Kaepernick had good stats on a god awful 49ers team. Had he been the Steelers QB last year, we are zero doubt a playoff team and possibly could have gone deep into those playoffs.

[R_S]

Actually he played on some pretty damn good SF teams under Dopey Jim.

[K_C_]

Actually he played on some pretty damn good SF teams under Dopey Jim.

We're talking about 2016.

The 49ers were 2-14.

[rooneytunes]

"No one is going to sign you because your too controversial. So you are not going to be back.

Now there seems to be an opportunity to come back.

Wait, because we kept you out, the time away most likely eroded your skill level. Now your not going to be signed because of that"

So, what team is going to take the hit? Are you honestly advocating a team put a worse product on the field today because of an alleged past harm (let's say for sake of argument you are 100% correct)? That doesn't seem fair on a lot of grounds.

There is a difference in "putting him on the field" during a regular season game and signing him to come to camp, compete against other players, attend meetings, play some preseason snaps, etc....

[rooneytunes]

I do think money could be an issue somewhat in signing him. He is going to have to realize he isn't a 20 million dollar QB. Even without the controversy that stopped his career, his play did not justify a high dollar amount. Even with going to a SB in the past. So he will have to compromise probably on that if he thinks that is a thing.

He could also then turn around and say hey, whoever signs me is going to make some more money on merchandising than what may come from another player

Should be interesting

[955876]

There was a strong rumor out here in the Bay Area that Kaep was banging a teammate’s wife or GF which divided the locker room and was beginning of his downfall in SF.

And let’s not forget, he had a good contract in SF and asked to be released out of it. Likely because (1) he had burned too many bridges in his own locker room and (2) SF was possibly going to ask him to take a pay cut and/or compete for starting job as his performance had declined quite a bit.

Dude thought he’d get released and just waltz into a starting gig. Didn’t happen.

He was provided opportunities to come in and be part of a QB group and compete. He didn’t want to.

Seems he is much more Interested in being a social justice warrior than he is a warrior on the gridiron. Especially if doing so means he has to actually earn a starting job rather than have it handed to him.

My wife’s family are pretty much all Niner fans so I’ve had to watch my share of that team. He was missing water from a boat on some of his throws that last season.

Was also rumored to not be well studied on the playbook.

Not a good traits for a backup.

I’m not saying he couldn’t be better than Liberty Bibberty or Ducky but a lot of things would have to happen for that to be.

And most of those “things” are things CK himself likely isn’t willing to do.

The business of being CK seems more important to him than competing for a job on a football field. Especially with Nike pumping his bank account full of $$

[K_C_]

I’m not saying he couldn’t be better than Liberty Bibberty or Ducky but a lot of things would have to happen for that to be.

If Kaepernick showed up, that'd be enough for Kaep to be better than Duck.

After the first practice, he'd be better than Mason.

...and that would be that.

[955876]

Yes, things are always that simple and binary.

[K_C_]

Yes, things are always that simple and binary.

Duck and Mason vs. Colin Kaepernick?

Did you watch the Steelers QB play last season?

...and as B2B pointed out, Kaepernick was playing behind the 30th ranked o-line in the league and with weapons that an XFL team would think were shit.

[955876]

Kaep would also miss open receivers with the ball landing OOB at times. Like WTF type throws.

Our guys stink. I get it.

But Kaep was playing like shit when he was last on a pro field and that was years ago. He was part of the problem & reason for SF’s decline, not some isolated superstar victim.

You are also discounting the fact he doesn’t want to be a back-up. That is somehow beneath him.

So to me, it is far from a given that a guy going on 4 years removed from the game with zero desire to be a back-up or even compete for a job could simply step in and perform.

That isn’t even getting into the fact our staff hasn’t shown any real ability to coach-up a QB.

They are quite fortunate for one BR...

[K_C_]

Kaep would also miss open receivers with the ball landing OOB at times. Like WTF type throws.

Our guys stink.

Kaep was playing like shit when he was last on a pro field and that was years ago.

You are also discounting the fact he doesn’t want to be a back-up. That is somehow beneath him.

So to me, it is far from a given that a guy going on 4 years removed from the game with zero desire to be a back-up or even compete for a job could simply step in and perform.

That isn’t even getting into the fact our staff hasn’t shown any real ability to coach-up a QB.

They are quite fortunate for one BR...

His last season, Kaepernick threw 16 TD's and had 4 INT's. With zero weapons and a horrific o-line. I mean....WTF.

So..there's that. Oh and his agent has said the whole; "didn't want to be a back-up" thing wasn't true and especially now, being out of the league for years, do you REALLY think Kaepernick believes he would have to be a starter to sign with somebody? C'mon, dude. Get real.

Fucking Cam Newton won't be signing with ANYBODY as a starter and almost certainly wouldn't even have the opportunity to compete for a starting job. Kaepernick would 100% realize he wouldn't be signed to be a starter.

Here, B2B posted this above. The stats for Kaep's last season in the league vs. our QB's last season. Enjoy.

Kaep 2016:
16 TD, 4 INT, 6.8 YPA, 7.2 AY/A, 90.7 QB rat, 6.8 YPC, 2 TD

2019 Steelers QBs:
18 TD, 18 INT, 6.2 YPA , 5.3 AY/A 76.2 QB rat , 2.7 YPC, 0 TD