After Goodell's Latest Words, Will A Team Hire Kaepernick?

[COR-TEN]

The post did come off a little disappointingly, in tone, at the very least, and probably wasn't thought through very well before that submit button got pressed.

That's where, as a country, we need to start; definitely here on this site. If it takes some folks getting called out to get things moving in that direction, then it's what needs to be done, and if folks are doing it "unintentionally," then they're just going to have to assume a "sorry to have to call you out on this," learn, and move forward.

By the way, semi colons are under rated, and I try to use them where applicable. I should have used one in my post. . .

[Ice]

I do poetry, so all different lengths of possible pause are tools of the trade. Once the preseason opens up, I'll add line breaks for a few days, though that's kinda Strom Detmer/William Pitt the Elder territory.

[NCsteelerSU]

I would rather have a healthy Newton over ck.

[Ice]

Would that be after Ben goes down? I can see Kap working in a backup role out of camp moreso than I can see Cam being willing to fill that role.

[NCsteelerSU]

Ice, people tend to forget that ck wasn't very good when he left the NFL, you dont get better by being away from the game for 3 years, obviously.

Newton if healthy, big upgrade over ben's backups, plus, depending on what happens with Ben's health, Newton at 32? stays healthy, you get another 2-3 years out of him while finding the next guy. The pitch would be, come in as a back up for a legitimate chance at a ring and maybe the guy that replaces Ben.

With the defense coming along, I think we have a window to get another ring, if Ben goes down, not happening with any of the QBs on the current roster. Ben getting hurt again is when not if deal imo, I'd also rather have Newton land in Pittsburgh than end up in NE too.

[Ice]

I tend to question whether I'd advise Cam, a former MVP, to come in at an NFL minimum contract with the Steelers as a backup after hearing that pitch. I think he's willing to wait and see how the preseason and maybe beginning of the regular season plays out before signing. So, I don't think he'd agree to that pitch.

Yeah, Kap has been out of the league, but you're also forgetting what a dumpster fire his team was (noted future HOF coach Jim Tomsula at the helm, I believe, though he certainly had a future HOF moustache) at the end of his Niners career. Kap's situation puts him in a more likely position to say yes, and I'd still take him at this point over Ducky and Bibbs. Unless I was filming an 80s buddy cop show.

[tbsteel]

Pretty sure our pro-Trump, cop-supporting starting QB damn sure does not want CK in the locker room.

If Ben goes down again with a significant injury you've got to move on. If that happens, I'd rather trot out Mason's worthless, fuccboi ass, lose a bunch of games as long as the defense doesn't force 40 f'n turnovers or whatever absurb # they put up last year, and be in a position to draft the next guy in 2021

[Ice]

I'm not sure I could do another season of those two.

[stinger8]

Pretty sure our pro-Trump, cop-supporting starting QB damn sure does not want CK in the locker room.

If Ben goes down again with a significant injury you've got to move on. If that happens, I'd rather trot out Mason's worthless, fuccboi ass, lose a bunch of games as long as the defense doesn't force 40 f'n turnovers or whatever absurb # they put up last year, and be in a position to draft the next guy in 2021

If that is accurate, and I hope its not, I am sure getting tired, real tired of our QB having so much influence on decisions on coaches, coordinators, personnel, schemes etc. Been going on for a long time, then in the past after swinging his dick around he comes to camp looking like Ernie Holmes. Thats NOT leadership. He is a player he should focus on playing, focus on trying to win and keep his mouth shut.

The GOAT at his position just was unceremoniously "waived" by a coach who runs the show not the players.

[tbsteel]

Big Ben is a golf buddy and friend of Trump's. Word is he was going to speak in favor at Trump at the 2016 GOP convention until Ben got scared of the backlash and pulled out just stating he wanted to stay out of politics. He has a foundation that goes around the country providing German Shepherds to police departments that they undoubtedly sick on the poor and minorities.

Kaep is basically the complete antithesis of Ben.

Again, this whole discussion is inane since Kaep genuinely doesn't want to return. His dog and pony show workout last year was huge proof of that. He's more valuable with the perception that he wants to come back and the league is collectively forcing him to stay away than as a guy who doesn't really care about football.

[bradshaw2ben]

Big Ben is a golf buddy and friend of Trump's. Word is he was going to speak in favor at Trump at the 2016 GOP convention until Ben got scared of the backlash and pulled out just stating he wanted to stay out of politics. He has a foundation that goes around the country providing German Shepherds to police departments that they undoubtedly sick on the poor and minorities.

Kaep is basically the complete antithesis of Ben.

Again, this whole discussion is inane since Kaep genuinely doesn't want to return. His dog and pony show workout last year was huge proof of that. He's more valuable with the perception that he wants to come back and the league is collectively forcing him to stay away than as a guy who doesn't really care about football.

If you insist on turning this into a specific politics reference—which is not supposed to happen here—at least get your facts straight and GTFO of here with this Kordell-at-Schenley-Park-with-Cowher’s-secretary level BS:

[tbsteel]

You're right, B2B. Ben isn't a golf buddy of Trump's and big supporter of police departments. I'm sure Ben would welcome CK into the locker room with open arms. God, I feel so stupid now.

But hey, the binary thinking politards have ruined this board for months now. No doubt just because I'm calling out Kaep for being a fraud most would think I'm some sort of Trump supporter lol. I don't mind checking out. I'll let you guys get back to this riveting discussion as Kaep as a Steeler.

[Ice]

Being a cynic doesn't imply political bias, TB. I'm a pretty cynical sumbitch myself. It's also possible that, in light of what's going on, Ben might reconsider some of his charitable contributions. Coming from some pretty significant privilege himself, he may have thought that rescuing dogs and donating them to law enforcement, based on his experience, was a win-win and a good thing. I'd argue strongly that rescuing the animals is great work, regardless. We all have an opportunity now to recognize and reconsider how we've been living our lives, and to change for the better, whether you're a poaster or the star quarterback.

[K_C_]

Fat Donnie's not quite the draw he was 4 years ago when legends like Scott Baio and Antonio Sabato Jr. were in his corner.

[blu]

Big Ben is a golf buddy and friend of Trump's. Word is he was going to speak in favor at Trump at the 2016 GOP convention until Ben got scared of the backlash and pulled out just stating he wanted to stay out of politics. He has a foundation that goes around the country providing German Shepherds to police departments that they undoubtedly sick on the poor and minorities.

Kaep is basically the complete antithesis of Ben.

Again, this whole discussion is inane since Kaep genuinely doesn't want to return. His dog and pony show workout last year was huge proof of that. He's more valuable with the perception that he wants to come back and the league is collectively forcing him to stay away than as a guy who doesn't really care about football.

If you insist on turning this into a specific politics reference—which is not supposed to happen here—at least get your facts straight and GTFO of here with this Kordell-at-Schenley-Park-with-Cowher’s-secretary level BS:

It almost sounded like Ben is a white supremacist or something equally distasteful. I know you abhor political references but your correction was necessary. Thank you, Will.

[NCsteelerSU]

Agree ice, they'd have to make the money work and I dont see the league minimum either, just hope he doesn't end up in NE and reverting to his mvp level play.

I just dont think Ben will make it the entire year and the current backup situation is shit for sure, guess we'll see what happens.

[Ice]

Fat Donnie's not quite the draw he was 4 years ago when legends like Scott Baio and Antonio Sabato Jr. were in his corner.

Wow, the two genetic donors that produced Richard Grieco.

[Ice]

Agree ice, they'd have to make the money work and I dont see the league minimum either, just hope he doesn't end up in NE and reverting to his mvp level play.

I just dont think Ben will make it the entire year and the current backup situation is shit for sure, guess we'll see what happens.

Oddly enough, considering what they jettisoned this offseason, NE is just about as up against the cap as we are. When you consider there's only one Pro Bowl player on the team, it's almost hard to fathom. That's going to be an interesting team for Steeler fans to watch this season, for sure.

[bradshaw2ben]

You're right, B2B. Ben isn't a golf buddy of Trump's and big supporter of police departments. I'm sure Ben would welcome CK into the locker room with open arms. God, I feel so stupid now.

But hey, the binary thinking politards have ruined this board for months now. No doubt just because I'm calling out Kaep for being a fraud most would think I'm some sort of Trump supporter lol. I don't mind checking out. I'll let you guys get back to this riveting discussion as Kaep as a Steeler.

I'm not saying you are the root of problems here with political discussions... just saying turning stuff into binary discussions based on assumptions or even past observed behavior is not necessarily 100% accurate. Ben is into looking out for his football team, and my guess is that he'd welcome anyone there he thought would help and not hurt, either on the field or off.

I do agree that it's not clear Kaep would be a positive influence. I'm guessing actual NFL players have a better idea of whether it works for their locker room or not.

[K_C_]

You're right, B2B. Ben isn't a golf buddy of Trump's and big supporter of police departments. I'm sure Ben would welcome CK into the locker room with open arms. God, I feel so stupid now.

But hey, the binary thinking politards have ruined this board for months now. No doubt just because I'm calling out Kaep for being a fraud most would think I'm some sort of Trump supporter lol. I don't mind checking out. I'll let you guys get back to this riveting discussion as Kaep as a Steeler.

I'm not saying you are the root of problems here with political discussions... just saying turning stuff into binary discussions based on assumptions or even past observed behavior is not necessarily 100% accurate. Ben is into looking out for his football team, and my guess is that he'd welcome anyone there he thought would help and not hurt, either on the field or off.

I do agree that it's not clear Kaep would be a positive influence. I'm guessing actual NFL players have a better idea of whether it works for their locker room or not.

Just guessing but the NFL is what, 70-75% black? The Steelers are likely built in similar fashion.

I doubt you're going to find ANY black players who look at Kaep in a bad light. The dude is now a symbol of progress and sacrifice in the black community. He is LOVED.

I'll also guarantee that at least 50% (probably higher) of the remaining players in the league understand Kaepernick's importance and if they don't love him, they would at least be very appreciative or accepting of the guy.

The rest? FUCK 'EM.

[blu]

You're right, B2B. Ben isn't a golf buddy of Trump's and big supporter of police departments. I'm sure Ben would welcome CK into the locker room with open arms. God, I feel so stupid now.

But hey, the binary thinking politards have ruined this board for months now. No doubt just because I'm calling out Kaep for being a fraud most would think I'm some sort of Trump supporter lol. I don't mind checking out. I'll let you guys get back to this riveting discussion as Kaep as a Steeler.

I'm not saying you are the root of problems here with political discussions... just saying turning stuff into binary discussions based on assumptions or even past observed behavior is not necessarily 100% accurate. Ben is into looking out for his football team, and my guess is that he'd welcome anyone there he thought would help and not hurt, either on the field or off.

I do agree that it's not clear Kaep would be a positive influence. I'm guessing actual NFL players have a better idea of whether it works for their locker room or not.

Just guessing but the NFL is what, 70-75% black? The Steelers are likely built in similar fashion.

I doubt you're going to find ANY black players who look at Kaep in a bad light. The dude is now a symbol of progress and sacrifice in the black community. He is LOVED.

I'll also guarantee that at least 50% (probably higher) of the remaining players in the league understand Kaepernick's importance and if they don't love him, they would at least be very appreciative or accepting of the guy.

The rest? FUCK 'EM.

If the above wasn't exactly true prior to the tragic death of George Floyd, it is sure true now. People are still marching in the streets with no end in sight.

[El Kabong]

Big Ben is a golf buddy and friend of Trump's. Word is he was going to speak in favor at Trump at the 2016 GOP convention until Ben got scared of the backlash and pulled out just stating he wanted to stay out of politics. He has a foundation that goes around the country providing German Shepherds to police departments that they undoubtedly sick on the poor and minorities.

Kaep is basically the complete antithesis of Ben.

Again, this whole discussion is inane since Kaep genuinely doesn't want to return. His dog and pony show workout last year was huge proof of that. He's more valuable with the perception that he wants to come back and the league is collectively forcing him to stay away than as a guy who doesn't really care about football.

If you insist on turning this into a specific politics reference—which is not supposed to happen here—at least get your facts straight and GTFO of here with this Kordell-at-Schenley-Park-with-Cowher’s-secretary level BS:

Oh thank God.

[NCsteelerSU]

Agree ice, they'd have to make the money work and I dont see the league minimum either, just hope he doesn't end up in NE and reverting to his mvp level play.

I just dont think Ben will make it the entire year and the current backup situation is shit for sure, guess we'll see what happens.

Oddly enough, considering what they jettisoned this offseason, NE is just about as up against the cap as we are. When you consider there's only one Pro Bowl player on the team, it's almost hard to fathom. That's going to be an interesting team for Steeler fans to watch this season, for sure.

fwiw

What Team Will Cam Newton Play For In 2020 NFL Season?
Team Odds
Washington Redskins +300
New England Patriots +400
Pittsburgh Steelers +400
Denver Broncos +450
Chicago Bears +700
Jacksonville Jaguars +750
Las Vegas Raiders +1000
Los Angeles Chargers +1200

https://www.oddsshark.com/nfl/cam-newton-odds

[Ice]

The 700-1000 area is the sweet spot on that list if you're betting. Bears, Nick Foles and Trubisky both below replacement level starting QBs. Jaguars, desperate to sell tickets and Gardner Minshew. Raiders, moving to LV, Gruden loves reclaiming QBs, and apparently does not love David Carr.

[Jobu]

The 700-1000 area is the sweet spot on that list if you're betting. Bears, Nick Foles and Trubisky both below replacement level starting QBs. Jaguars, desperate to sell tickets and Gardner Minshew. Raiders, moving to LV, Gruden loves reclaiming QBs, and apparently does not love David Carr.

Yeah, but how does he feel about Derek Carr? I kid....

I think the issue with some of the teams on that list is that Cam Newton isn’t good enough to get them to a Super Bowl, but not bad enough to get them to Trevor Lawrence/Justin Fields.

[Ice]

Ha. Oops. Yeah, it's a weird league for QBs right now. Just about every team either has a rookie in the wings, a grizzled vet they're trying to make a run with, a guy they're set with or a young QB they're still invested in. That doesn't even include the dangling carrots of Fields and Lawrence. Not a lot of screaming job opportunities out there, even for a former MVP not that far removed who was playing high level football before the most recent injury.

[Ice]

Or, and this is said in the most respectful way possible, we could all agree to keep it to talking football.

[Donnie Brasco]

He has a foundation that goes around the country providing German Shepherds to police departments that they undoubtedly sick on the poor and minorities.

While we're calling people out for not thinking before hitting submit, let's take a long hard look at this stupid fucking sentence...

[Donnie Brasco]

Agree ice, they'd have to make the money work and I dont see the league minimum either, just hope he doesn't end up in NE and reverting to his mvp level play.

I just dont think Ben will make it the entire year and the current backup situation is shit for sure, guess we'll see what happens.

Oddly enough, considering what they jettisoned this offseason, NE is just about as up against the cap as we are. When you consider there's only one Pro Bowl player on the team, it's almost hard to fathom. That's going to be an interesting team for Steeler fans to watch this season, for sure.

fwiw

What Team Will Cam Newton Play For In 2020 NFL Season?
Team Odds
Washington Redskins +300
New England Patriots +400
Pittsburgh Steelers +400
Denver Broncos +450
Chicago Bears +700
Jacksonville Jaguars +750
Las Vegas Raiders +1000
Los Angeles Chargers +1200

https://www.oddsshark.com/nfl/cam-newton-odds

I think Cam is going to play the waiting game and hopes a QB goes down during camp over the next couple of months.

[Jobu]

Or, and this is said in the most respectful way possible, we could all agree to keep it to talking football.

Hand raised.