Potential Free Agent Aqusitions
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Re: Potential Free Agent Aqusitions
BJ Finney in the house today. Signing with the Steelers, pending a physical, as depth and camp competition at center. Good & needed signing.
Typical.
Point taken. He's definitely not as effective of an asset in the run game as either a healthy Old McDonald or Heath was, but i'd take it if he even ascended to the lofty heights of the Outlaw's blocking capabilities.Mick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:13 pmi’ve been expecting a lot more film analysis on what the hell was wrong with our run game last season.drmalba wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:43 pmEbron is not the biggest issue on this team, and despite the choker pedigree that he may have obtained in Detroit being reinforced by some untimely drops this year, was one of the few guys that showed up to play in the disaster at Cleveland. I would also note the last time we had a TE catch more than five TDs in a season was in 2012 when Heath got a pro bowl nod. I think as far as Colbert offseason free agent patchwork goes, i'd actually consider him a qualified success.
That said, I hope they keep an eye on TE talent in this year's draft class.
I’ve seen screenshots on maybe 1 or 2 plays, and i see like a 4-on-2 up the middle, and our four getting pushed back a yard or so, 3 guys coming unblocked on the right, and another 3 coming from the left with just Ebron to take them (and he naturally picks the wrong one). And i’m thinking “we can’t be this bad, how is this even a play?” But im not sure if those were representative.
However, don't discount the fact that Fichtner was a bowl of lukewarm porridge when it came to scheming a run attack.
I can't believe that dude is still only 27 years old. Seems like he's been in the league almost 10 years for some reason.stillthere wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:53 amDetroit Lions release TE Jesse James
https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2021/3/1 ... ree-agency
If the money is right a 2 year deal may help this team a lot on offense. I was interested in what the Lions were going to do with him once Spielman and Motor City Dan Campbell got to town.
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With the first 3 names you listed. Finney will be a vet minimum salary for a guy that knows the system and can play 2 positions on the offensive line. James is still only 26 with like 5 or 6 years of NFL experience and after scooping 20 million plus may come at a team friendly number he also may not of liked the Kardasians version of the Steelers but it is quite possible he will come back to Pittsburgh gladly after dealing with Matt Patricia. Beachum would also be a vet minimum contract and I would only want him in the role of backup at both tackle positions in case of injury.Jobu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:09 amYep...BJ Finney, Jesse James, Kelvin Beacham, the ghost of Manny Sanders...hells bells, bring back Dirty Red, the Mighty Chickollo, and the Ice Cream Man while we’re at it!
Is Laundry Jones available?
Does anyone have Jarvis Jones and Ziggy Hoods number?
Jeezus!
I know you are joking about the rest of the list but if the cap was just stagnant at 198 million dollars this year we would not have to talk about about bargain shopping free agents that won't count against comp picks. This is just a situation where spending up to the cap every year to try to win games and not draft position hurts the Steelers and literally nothing anyone could of planned for due to COVID.
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That is one of the reasons I think the team would want him back. It is also a reason that I think they want JuJu back because he is still only 24 with 4 years starting experience plus he does a lot of the dirty work that WR's don't like to do.DP39 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:10 pmI can't believe that dude is still only 27 years old. Seems like he's been in the league almost 10 years for some reason.stillthere wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:53 amDetroit Lions release TE Jesse James
https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2021/3/1 ... ree-agency
If the money is right a 2 year deal may help this team a lot on offense. I was interested in what the Lions were going to do with him once Spielman and Motor City Dan Campbell got to town.
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Chargers release guard Trai Turner, saving $11.5 million on salary cap
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The reason the Steelers and any fan should want Jessie James back is because we haven't had a single TE or RB that can block (run game or pass protect) as good as him since he left. except for the 1st year of McDonald the few games he was available. JJ is at least a serviceable blocker/3rd TE. Got to be an upgrade over the not seen or heard from Gentry.
And I agree, under the CAP circumstances, perfect time/need to bring any known serviceable body back that's minimum priced .
And I agree, under the CAP circumstances, perfect time/need to bring any known serviceable body back that's minimum priced .
I guess I could be mistaken, but I don’t remember Jesse James being all that good at blocking.
Here’s my issue with recycling these borderline players. It’s lazy. Sure, they are cheap options, and we all know the Steelers are all about cheap options...especially this year. But I guarantee that there are other cheap options out there if they do their homework. Who knows, maybe they find a JAG or two that works better in their system. Does anyone really believe that James, Finney, Hassenshnitzel, etc. make the team better?
And as for “knowing the system”...I’ve been assured that there will be a new Matt Canada system installed. So knowing the system isn’t a plus.
Here’s my issue with recycling these borderline players. It’s lazy. Sure, they are cheap options, and we all know the Steelers are all about cheap options...especially this year. But I guarantee that there are other cheap options out there if they do their homework. Who knows, maybe they find a JAG or two that works better in their system. Does anyone really believe that James, Finney, Hassenshnitzel, etc. make the team better?
And as for “knowing the system”...I’ve been assured that there will be a new Matt Canada system installed. So knowing the system isn’t a plus.
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I've always felt "knowing the system" was really more like "knowing the player/person". The Steelers have always been an organization that puts more emphasis on that then most teams -- especially role players. They're risk adverse by nature. They want players to get in and fit in.Jobu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:30 pmI guess I could be mistaken, but I don’t remember Jesse James being all that good at blocking.
Here’s my issue with recycling these borderline players. It’s lazy. Sure, they are cheap options, and we all know the Steelers are all about cheap options...especially this year. But I guarantee that there are other cheap options out there if they do their homework. Who knows, maybe they find a JAG or two that works better in their system. Does anyone really believe that James, Finney, Hassenshnitzel, etc. make the team better?
And as for “knowing the system”...I’ve been assured that there will be a new Matt Canada system installed. So knowing the system isn’t a plus.
No doubt. I’m just not sure that’s the best way to put together the strongest roster.DP39 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:04 pmI've always felt "knowing the system" was really more like "knowing the player/person". The Steelers have always been an organization that puts more emphasis on that then most teams -- especially role players. They're risk adverse by nature. They want players to get in and fit in.Jobu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:30 pmI guess I could be mistaken, but I don’t remember Jesse James being all that good at blocking.
Here’s my issue with recycling these borderline players. It’s lazy. Sure, they are cheap options, and we all know the Steelers are all about cheap options...especially this year. But I guarantee that there are other cheap options out there if they do their homework. Who knows, maybe they find a JAG or two that works better in their system. Does anyone really believe that James, Finney, Hassenshnitzel, etc. make the team better?
And as for “knowing the system”...I’ve been assured that there will be a new Matt Canada system installed. So knowing the system isn’t a plus.
But the “Steelers Way” is the Steelers way.
And just for the record, I was actually a Jesse James fan when he was in Pittsburgh. I just don’t think he’s what this team needs right now.
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When I say the system I mean the overall structure and how things work about the facility etc. It does apply to knowing schemes and verbiage as well.Jobu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:30 pmI guess I could be mistaken, but I don’t remember Jesse James being all that good at blocking.
Here’s my issue with recycling these borderline players. It’s lazy. Sure, they are cheap options, and we all know the Steelers are all about cheap options...especially this year. But I guarantee that there are other cheap options out there if they do their homework. Who knows, maybe they find a JAG or two that works better in their system. Does anyone really believe that James, Finney, Hassenshnitzel, etc. make the team better?
And as for “knowing the system”...I’ve been assured that there will be a new Matt Canada system installed. So knowing the system isn’t a plus.
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I could see this being like the Matt Spaeth move. James may also want to sign a one year deal and get back into free agency when things are more normal both socially with Covid and fiscally with the NFL having the down cap year. It will also depend on what other TE's become available. Obviously we cannot afford Hunter Henry unless he wants to play for 2 million in Pittsburgh for no good reason. There may be some other TE's become available but James just fits with the teams M.O..Jobu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:17 pmNo doubt. I’m just not sure that’s the best way to put together the strongest roster.DP39 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:04 pmI've always felt "knowing the system" was really more like "knowing the player/person". The Steelers have always been an organization that puts more emphasis on that then most teams -- especially role players. They're risk adverse by nature. They want players to get in and fit in.Jobu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:30 pmI guess I could be mistaken, but I don’t remember Jesse James being all that good at blocking.
Here’s my issue with recycling these borderline players. It’s lazy. Sure, they are cheap options, and we all know the Steelers are all about cheap options...especially this year. But I guarantee that there are other cheap options out there if they do their homework. Who knows, maybe they find a JAG or two that works better in their system. Does anyone really believe that James, Finney, Hassenshnitzel, etc. make the team better?
And as for “knowing the system”...I’ve been assured that there will be a new Matt Canada system installed. So knowing the system isn’t a plus.
But the “Steelers Way” is the Steelers way.
And just for the record, I was actually a Jesse James fan when he was in Pittsburgh. I just don’t think he’s what this team needs right now.
What about bringing Bell back on a 1 year prove it deal? There's no way anyone will give him big money again right?
Add Bell and a rookie. Lose Samuels and Conner.
Add Bell and a rookie. Lose Samuels and Conner.
Howard Griffith had to resort to chop-blocking him during the 1997 AFC Championship Game. An incredulous Kirkland asked Griffith, “Why do you have to use cheap tactics like chop-blocking?” Griffith replied “Why do you have to be a 300-pound linebacker?”
I vote no!What about bringing Bell back on a 1 year prove it deal? There's no way anyone will give him big money again right?
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I second that. He's likely worse than Conner at this point. RB needs addressed at the draft. We need a car with a full tank of gas, not one running on fumes.
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Matt Canada will not overhaul the system. That's why the Steelers chose him to replace Fichtner. Because he will largely retain the concepts and terminology that Ben is comfortable with. Hopefully what he will do is add a few disguises here and there and bring some better run packages/concepts to the table.Jobu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:30 pmI guess I could be mistaken, but I don’t remember Jesse James being all that good at blocking.
Here’s my issue with recycling these borderline players. It’s lazy. Sure, they are cheap options, and we all know the Steelers are all about cheap options...especially this year. But I guarantee that there are other cheap options out there if they do their homework. Who knows, maybe they find a JAG or two that works better in their system. Does anyone really believe that James, Finney, Hassenshnitzel, etc. make the team better?
And as for “knowing the system”...I’ve been assured that there will be a new Matt Canada system installed. So knowing the system isn’t a plus.
And tho the outlaw isnt the athlete or gets open like Ebron, he is a better blocker, with better hands. I think he would be a pretty good complement to Ebron, if we can afford him.
From the eyeball test, he looks a lot thinner than Vince. Spillane may be 229, but I'd guess VW is closer to 250/260
Anyway, even if Spillane puts on some muscle, he's still too slow. Cleveland abused him in coverage during the playoff game.
How about WR Golden Tate on a 2 year deal?
we’re actually good at scouting/drafting WRs; i’ll take our chances planning around going into the season with a draft pick as #4.
We should bias our drafting toward drafting positions we draft well at and our FA money toward positions we don’t draft.
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Possible center?? I have no problem paying for a free agent center this year.Ian Rapoport
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The #Raiders are releasing Pro Bowl center Rodney Hudson, source said, a surprise in Las Vegas as their O-line receives a nearly complete facelift.
2:41 PM · Mar 16, 2021·TweetDeck
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31 years old but a 1 year fill in year is doable if we don't get a stud in the draft.
Unless there is some unknown health issue, Hudson is everything Pouncey (with his fake Pro Bowls) pretended to be. Gettrdone!stillthere wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:50 pmPossible center?? I have no problem paying for a free agent center this year.Ian Rapoport
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The #Raiders are releasing Pro Bowl center Rodney Hudson, source said, a surprise in Las Vegas as their O-line receives a nearly complete facelift.
2:41 PM · Mar 16, 2021·TweetDeck
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31 years old but a 1 year fill in year is doable if we don't get a stud in the draft.
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OK so you are on board. He has given up like 3 pressures in the last 3 years according to one of the analytics sites.DP39 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:40 pmUnless there is some unknown health issue, Hudson is everything Pouncey (with his fake Pro Bowls) pretended to be. Gettrdone!stillthere wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:50 pmPossible center?? I have no problem paying for a free agent center this year.Ian Rapoport
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The #Raiders are releasing Pro Bowl center Rodney Hudson, source said, a surprise in Las Vegas as their O-line receives a nearly complete facelift.
2:41 PM · Mar 16, 2021·TweetDeck
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31 years old but a 1 year fill in year is doable if we don't get a stud in the draft.
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Jamaal Williams to Detroit. Damn.
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Two guys I hope they check in on:
OLB Jordan Jenkins - we have no depth at the position, can likely get him for 3-5M per season. Before last season he was a quality pass rusher.
RB - Damien Williams - street FA so doesn't count against comp picks, would allow us not to draft a RB high.
OLB Jordan Jenkins - we have no depth at the position, can likely get him for 3-5M per season. Before last season he was a quality pass rusher.
RB - Damien Williams - street FA so doesn't count against comp picks, would allow us not to draft a RB high.
Sports talk here in AZ is they wouldn't give Juju more than $12 mill per and he would have to come "way down" to make that happen. Wonder if he's going to get what he's looking for.
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It only takes one team to offer more than the rest for him to get good market value.