Raiders were gonna kneel it..

[Greeksteel]

Read Ekelers lips...Were you gonna kneel it??

#47: yes


http://twitter.com/i/status/1480410976096858114



Staley cost his team a playoff berth

[El Kabong]

Read Ekelers lips...Were you gonna kneel it??

#47: yes


http://twitter.com/i/status/1480410976096858114

Staley fucked his team

[jeemie]

Read Ekelers lips...Were you gonna kneel it??

#47: yes


http://twitter.com/i/status/1480410976096858114



Staley cost his team a playoff berth

Not 100% sure that’s what was said, but I believe it based in Ekeler’s “Aw fuck!” look after he was answered “yes”.

[Steelperch]

I doubt the long snapper knew what the coach was intending to do.

[Jobu]

I don’t see it.

[StillJones]

Read Ekelers lips...Were you gonna kneel it??

#47: yes


http://twitter.com/i/status/1480410976096858114



Staley cost his team a playoff berth

Not 100% sure that’s what was said, but I believe it based in Ekeler’s “Aw fuck!” look after he was answered “yes”.

He definitely didn't say "were you gonna kneal it". It was 3 syllables at most. Looks like "Really? man...". Who knows what that means.

[Greeksteel]

He absolutley said: were you gonna kneel it? imo

[Steelperch]

He absolutley said: were you gonna kneel it? imo

He said “Really” then “my God”.. I asked my friend Jerry’s girlfriend. She is deaf and reads lips.

[Greeksteel]

He absolutley said: were you gonna kneel it? imo

He said “Really” then “my God”.. I asked my friend Jerry’s girlfriend. She is deaf and reads lips.

[LakecrestSteeler]

He absolutley said: were you gonna kneel it? imo

He said “Really” then “my God”.. I asked my friend Jerry’s girlfriend. She is deaf and reads lips.

She is not a novelty act Perch, you can’t hire her out for weddings and bat mitzvahs

Look it’s a skill just like juggling. Probably enjoys showing it off!

[drmalba]

Derek Carr confirmed the timeout changed their strategy.

[RemoAZ]

I still say if that coach tries not to win the game, he never gets another shot at a HC spot in the NFL. No way he ever removes the stain that would create.

[Suwanee88]

Read Ekelers lips...Were you gonna kneel it??

#47: yes


http://twitter.com/i/status/1480410976096858114



Staley cost his team a playoff berth

Cheers to Brandon Staley!!!!!! Just another miracle in a miraculous Sunday!

[Greeksteel]

Since we are all proficient at reading lips now..

Herbert: "I've never wanted a tie so bad"

http://twitter.com/i/status/1480411904262742016

[zeke5123]

They weren’t lined up to knee.

[Stosh-67]

Since we are all proficient at reading lips now..

Herbert: "I've never wanted a tie so bad"

http://twitter.com/i/status/1480411904262742016

Now even Hellen Keller could have read those lips.

[Professor Half Wit]

So we can add professional lip reading to tendency toward conspiratorial thinking.

[jeemie]

They weren’t lined up to knee.

They weren't, but they also were not showing any sense of urgency to get in better FG range.

And if Rich Bisaccia is to be believed, it wasn't the timeout, but the 10 yard run by Jacobs, that led to his decision to go for the win. Had he been stopped for a lesser gain, Bisaccia indicated he would have let the clock run out rather than risk a low trajectory FG attempt that could be blocked and potentially returned for a touchdown.

And if that's true, it might not be Staley's timeout, but why he did it, that made all the difference. Because Staley said he called the timeout to make sure his "optimal run defense" against the Raiders' 11 personnel grouping, was on the field.

Which is curious because he took one of his better run stoppers, ILB Kenneth Murray, OFF the field and went with five D-linemen and only one ILB. The guy that took Murray's duties, safety Nasir Adderly, got caught up in the wash and was taken out of the play.

If he had kept Murray on the field, might the course of the game changed? Who knows? And maybe Art Rooney II reached out to Staley last night with a generous payout?

https://sports.yahoo.com/theres-a-big-r ... Kcq-EPHCTn

[Orangesteel]

What kind of dogshit defense gives up 6-7 fourth and long conversions? Raiders should be ashamed of themselves, if they truly were trying to win.

Whole thing stinks. As B2B said the ratings for that game are going to be off the charts. I’d like to see the numbers when they come out.

[jeemie]

What kind of dogshit defense gives up 6-7 fourth and long conversions? Raiders should be ashamed of themselves, if they truly were trying to win.

Whole thing stinks. As B2B said the ratings for that game are going to be off the charts. I’d like to see the numbers when they come out.

Herbert is the real deal, and on a couple of the conversions, Collinsworth accurately showed how they took advantage of the Raiders' defensive tendencies. And a couple of those conversions actually were well defended by the Raiders...Herbert simply put the pass exactly where it had to go.

I would point to the officials' overturns of calls they almost never overturn if I was conspiratorially minded (they are never consistent about the ball touching the ground- gives them plenty of wiggle room, and I don't care how many of you say you are 100% sure on the other call...I say bullshit to anyone who says they can definitively without any doubt tell that the ball reached the 12 yard line on that one catch).

[Greeksteel]

They weren’t lined up to knee.

They weren't, but they also were not showing any sense of urgency to get in better FG range.

And if Rich Bisaccia is to be believed, it wasn't the timeout, but the 10 yard run by Jacobs, that led to his decision to go for the win. Had he been stopped for a lesser gain, Bisaccia indicated he would have let the clock run out rather than risk a low trajectory FG attempt that could be blocked and potentially returned for a touchdown.

And if that's true, it might not be Staley's timeout, but why he did it, that made all the difference. Because Staley said he called the timeout to make sure his "optimal run defense" against the Raiders' 11 personnel grouping, was on the field.

Which is curious because he took one of his better run stoppers, ILB Kenneth Murray, OFF the field and went with five D-linemen and only one ILB. The guy that took Murray's duties, safety Nasir Adderly, got caught up in the wash and was taken out of the play.

If he had kept Murray on the field, might the course of the game changed? Who knows? And maybe Art Rooney II reached out to Staley last night with a generous payout?

https://sports.yahoo.com/theres-a-big-r ... Kcq-EPHCTn

Staley needed to read the room and body language of the raiders at that point, raiders were showing zero urgency to do anything but basically take their time and settle for the tie. Calling a timeout at that point was really stupid and i bet there was some you wanna call timeout?? ok FU factored into going for the win at that point.

[alancac98]

Since we are all proficient at reading lips now..

Herbert: "I've never wanted a tie so bad"

http://twitter.com/i/status/1480411904262742016

Now even Hellen Keller could have read those lips.

Probably not - she was blind!

[jeemie]

They weren’t lined up to knee.

They weren't, but they also were not showing any sense of urgency to get in better FG range.

And if Rich Bisaccia is to be believed, it wasn't the timeout, but the 10 yard run by Jacobs, that led to his decision to go for the win. Had he been stopped for a lesser gain, Bisaccia indicated he would have let the clock run out rather than risk a low trajectory FG attempt that could be blocked and potentially returned for a touchdown.

And if that's true, it might not be Staley's timeout, but why he did it, that made all the difference. Because Staley said he called the timeout to make sure his "optimal run defense" against the Raiders' 11 personnel grouping, was on the field.

Which is curious because he took one of his better run stoppers, ILB Kenneth Murray, OFF the field and went with five D-linemen and only one ILB. The guy that took Murray's duties, safety Nasir Adderly, got caught up in the wash and was taken out of the play.

If he had kept Murray on the field, might the course of the game changed? Who knows? And maybe Art Rooney II reached out to Staley last night with a generous payout?

https://sports.yahoo.com/theres-a-big-r ... Kcq-EPHCTn

Staley needed to read the room and body language of the raiders at that point, raiders were showing zero urgency to do anything but basically take their time and settle for the tie. Calling a timeout at that point was really stupid and i bet there was some you wanna call timeout?? ok FU factored into going for the win at that point.

Perhaps but had the Chargers stuffed Jacobs coming out of that timeout I guarantee you the Raiders are not trying a 57 yard FG.

[Greeksteel]

They weren't, but they also were not showing any sense of urgency to get in better FG range.

And if Rich Bisaccia is to be believed, it wasn't the timeout, but the 10 yard run by Jacobs, that led to his decision to go for the win. Had he been stopped for a lesser gain, Bisaccia indicated he would have let the clock run out rather than risk a low trajectory FG attempt that could be blocked and potentially returned for a touchdown.

And if that's true, it might not be Staley's timeout, but why he did it, that made all the difference. Because Staley said he called the timeout to make sure his "optimal run defense" against the Raiders' 11 personnel grouping, was on the field.

Which is curious because he took one of his better run stoppers, ILB Kenneth Murray, OFF the field and went with five D-linemen and only one ILB. The guy that took Murray's duties, safety Nasir Adderly, got caught up in the wash and was taken out of the play.

If he had kept Murray on the field, might the course of the game changed? Who knows? And maybe Art Rooney II reached out to Staley last night with a generous payout?

https://sports.yahoo.com/theres-a-big-r ... Kcq-EPHCTn

Staley needed to read the room and body language of the raiders at that point, raiders were showing zero urgency to do anything but basically take their time and settle for the tie. Calling a timeout at that point was really stupid and i bet there was some you wanna call timeout?? ok FU factored into going for the win at that point.

Perhaps but had the Chargers stuffed Jacobs coming out of that timeout I guarantee you the Raiders are not trying a 57 yard FG.

probably not i agree with that, maybe with a second or two left you could but you'd be risking a block and return so ya probably not

[StillerInCT]

Is this what fate looks like?

[langer]

maybe Roger called that time out.

[TTP]

The Raider were not going to take a knee. Before the timeout was called, they were in a regular formation to run a play. It looks like the plan was to simply run the ball and if they got into makeable FG range then kick it and if not just run out the clock for the tie. Staley called the TO to get his best run D (5 DL) out there to prevent the Raiders from getting into makeable FG range. Honestly, if this is actually how it went down, pretty reasonable decisions by both coaches. It didn't work out for Staley as his "best run D" was not able to prevent Jacobs from ripping off 10 yards.

[jeemie]

The Raider were not going to take a knee. Before the timeout was called, they were in a regular formation to run a play. It looks like the plan was to simply run the ball and if they got into makeable FG range then kick it and if not just run out the clock for the tie. Staley called the TO to get his best run D (5 DL) out there to prevent the Raiders from getting into makeable FG range. Honestly, if this is actually how it went down, pretty reasonable decisions by both coaches. It didn't work out for Staley as his "best run D" was not able to prevent Jacobs from ripping off 10 yards.

His “best run D” inexplicably did not contain one of his best run stoppers. That’s what Staley is getting raked over the coals for right now.

And I disagree with anyone that thinks these coaches would have been blackballed if they played for a tie.

The goal of a coach is to get his team into the playoffs by any means possible. It’s not to help a team out that didn’t help itself.

Neither the Raiders’ coach nor the Chargers’ coach owed the Steelers anything, nor would they have “threatened the integrity of the game” had they played for a tie at the end had conditions warranted. Maybe if they eschewed a 47 yard FG attempt with a kicker who had never missed in that stadium the Raiders would have been questioned…but still their goal is to make the playoffs…by any means necessary.

If the positions had been reversed, we would have pilloried Mike Tomlin to no end if he had done any different.

Now…I can find fault with the NFL for having put this game at 8:15, which allowed the specter of a tie to rear its ugly head.

But this game was linked with three other games…Steelers/Ravens, Colts/Jags and Pats/Dolphins. What do they do? Put them all at 4:25? And what game do they show at 8:15 that wouldn’t have any playoff implications?

The NFL probably had no choice so they went with the game they thought would get the most eyebrows. Also show off Allegiant Stadium in the last prime time game of the season.

[RemoAZ]

The Raider were not going to take a knee. Before the timeout was called, they were in a regular formation to run a play. It looks like the plan was to simply run the ball and if they got into makeable FG range then kick it and if not just run out the clock for the tie. Staley called the TO to get his best run D (5 DL) out there to prevent the Raiders from getting into makeable FG range. Honestly, if this is actually how it went down, pretty reasonable decisions by both coaches. It didn't work out for Staley as his "best run D" was not able to prevent Jacobs from ripping off 10 yards.

His “best run D” inexplicably did not contain one of his best run stoppers. That’s what Staley is getting raked over the coals for right now.

And I disagree with anyone that thinks these coaches would have been blackballed if they played for a tie.

The goal of a coach is to get his team into the playoffs by any means possible. It’s not to help a team out that didn’t help itself.

Neither the Raiders’ coach nor the Chargers’ coach owed the Steelers anything, nor would they have “threatened the integrity of the game” had they played for a tie at the end had conditions warranted. Maybe if they eschewed a 47 yard FG attempt with a kicker who had never missed in that stadium the Raiders would have been questioned…but still their goal is to make the playoffs…by any means necessary.

If the positions had been reversed, we would have pilloried Mike Tomlin to no end if he had done any different.

Now…I can find fault with the NFL for having put this game at 8:15, which allowed the specter of a tie to rear its ugly head.

But this game was linked with three other games…Steelers/Ravens, Colts/Jags and Pats/Dolphins. What do they do? Put them all at 4:25? And what game do they show at 8:15 that wouldn’t have any playoff implications?

The NFL probably had no choice so they went with the game they thought would get the most eyebrows. Also show off Allegiant Stadium in the last prime time game of the season.

Getting down to the last play and deciding between a 57 yard FG and running the clock out is one thing. Intentionally stopping, not trying to win and run the clock out is completely different. If they got to 2 minutes and just kneeled 3 times and ran off the field like Collingsworth suggested, that Raiders coach is stained for life. I don't even think the Chargers coach would have let that happen. He would have called time outs to get the ball back. That would have been the biggest cowardly move of all time. Yeah, the league has tackling too hard penalties, forces you to let a guy make a tackle instead of blocking him when he's not looking which are ridiculous but agreeing to quit and accept a tie has to still be unacceptable. Why not just flip a damn coin in place of overtime so they don't have to work more hours without extra pay?

[TTP]

The Raider were not going to take a knee. Before the timeout was called, they were in a regular formation to run a play. It looks like the plan was to simply run the ball and if they got into makeable FG range then kick it and if not just run out the clock for the tie. Staley called the TO to get his best run D (5 DL) out there to prevent the Raiders from getting into makeable FG range. Honestly, if this is actually how it went down, pretty reasonable decisions by both coaches. It didn't work out for Staley as his "best run D" was not able to prevent Jacobs from ripping off 10 yards.

His “best run D” inexplicably did not contain one of his best run stoppers. That’s what Staley is getting raked over the coals for right now.

He sent out a lineup with 5 defensive lineman. He thought that gave them the best chance to stop the Raiders from getting into FG range.

I have no idea if he's telling the truth or not but this seems like a reasonable explanation. What is the alternative? Why did he call TO in that situation if not to set up his defense?