KP8 Crow

[Smashmouth21]

I’m not going to overreact to one game against arguably the best defense in the NFL but KP8 played like dog poop today. I’ve still seen way too much good to prematurely wet my pants like some but he has to do better. No question.

[Jizz Mop]

Kenny is tearing us apart.

Sorry I couldn’t resist…

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If you didn’t post that I would have

The Disaster Artist and the original The Room are CLASSICS

Oh hi Mark

[stillthere]

How's that crow taste today?

This should be an interesting thread to watch throughout the season,

Tastes good.

I dislike eating it but I am cool with this serving because in the near future I will be dishing out the crow.

[anpsteel]

Before the game I loved you all now I hate you all...

This is the way

[zeke5123]

I’m not going to overreact to one game against arguably the best defense in the NFL but KP8 played like dog poop today. I’ve still seen way too much good to prematurely wet my pants like some but he has to do better. No question.

My biggest concern is that he really hasn’t been good when it mattered except against meh teams late in the season. I’m not giving up on him but he needs to start showing something and quick.

[zeke5123]

I’m sure you just had family obligations or something until the whole team unraveled today.

Awww, he really wanted to pound his chest over some meaningless preseason drives. Sorry I don’t sign in during the off-season. Go right ahead, I’m here to listen. How about we do a bet on Pickett, SteelerFury retirement match. If he finishes top 15 in TD passes or QB rating I’ll delete my account. If he doesn’t, you do.

I couldn’t care less if Pickett finishes top 15 in TD passes. An offense isn’t just one player. Ben played in a LOADED offense with a great defense early in his career and was no TD throwing machine. He was a game manager who did a great job performing his role.

Kenny has almost none of what Ben walked into.

It’s hilarious how you blame today entirely on Kenny Pickett. It’s pure comedy and that’s why I know you’re still butthurt Ben isn’t under center and he isn’t coming back.

Any QB that replaced your beloved Ben would be suffering your wrath. It’s kinda sweet actually.

Ben had an all time YPA his early years. Calling him a game manager is bullshit. He was a playmaker who also had some big rallies late in games.

[K_C_]

Awww, he really wanted to pound his chest over some meaningless preseason drives. Sorry I don’t sign in during the off-season. Go right ahead, I’m here to listen. How about we do a bet on Pickett, SteelerFury retirement match. If he finishes top 15 in TD passes or QB rating I’ll delete my account. If he doesn’t, you do.

I couldn’t care less if Pickett finishes top 15 in TD passes. An offense isn’t just one player. Ben played in a LOADED offense with a great defense early in his career and was no TD throwing machine. He was a game manager who did a great job performing his role.

Kenny has almost none of what Ben walked into.

It’s hilarious how you blame today entirely on Kenny Pickett. It’s pure comedy and that’s why I know you’re still butthurt Ben isn’t under center and he isn’t coming back.

Any QB that replaced your beloved Ben would be suffering your wrath. It’s kinda sweet actually.

Ben had an all time YPA his early years. Calling him a game manager is bullshit. He was a playmaker who also had some big rallies late in games.

Ben was a game manager in his early years, in the same way Purdy is a game manager right now. That's not an offensive term. Ben developed from a game manager into a superstar, gun slinging surefire first ball Hall of Famer. Purdy's future has yet to be written but he's looking incredible.

The point is, that you're missing, is both of these guys came into incredible situations. Great coachiing. Great RB. Great offensive line. Great WR's. A year later Ben would receive a Great TE. Great defense. All around.

I don't feel like looking it up (about to go in the pool and get some sun) but I believe Ben had 8 Pro Bowlers around him in his rookie year. That's fucking ridiculous but it's also what Brock Purdy is probably looking at.

San Fran's defense alone should have 8 Pro Bowlers and that ain't hyperbole.

His weapons on offense are fucking BETTER than what Ben had when Roethlisberger won a Super Bowl in his second year.

Mahomes is in a class by himself as a QB. Nobody is on tier 1 with him, but if the Chiefs do somehow end up representing the AFC in the Super Bowl, I think they're going to lose to the Niners. San Fran has no weaknesses. None.

Purdy, like Ben, wasn't asked to do what Herbert and Tua did yesterday. Throw the ball all over the place for TD's. Purdy and Roethlisberger have/had great talent around them and are asked to make plays when they are there. not force things and hand it off a bunch, because the running game can't be stopped and the defense is going to shut down your opponent and get you the ball in prime real estate.

Ben shed the game manager label and became a superstar.

We'll see what happens with Purdy but Jesus H. Christ is he on a loaded team.

[tbsteel]

Ben was never a f'n game manager, get real. He was out there throwing bombs and making huge, game-changing plays from day 1. You don't average 9 fucking yards a pass "managing" a game. Good lord.

[Professor Half Wit]

Kenny fucking sux until he proves otherwise. Period.

But so does the whole the team.

[Steelperch]

This guy just hates Ben and loves Bubby Pickett. It’s a fucking comedy show around here.

Ben the game manager with his top 10 all time stats in just about every meaningful QB category, top 3 in comeback victories, and most 500 yard and 6 TD passing games just screams game manager.

I’m sure Bubby Pickett will be far superior. It only took him 5 years to figure things out at Pitt so we just need to be more patient here. By the time he hits 30 years old he should be throwing 2 TD passes in the same game fairly regularly.

[955876]

You and Perch are hard asses on Pickett, but you both do not honestly think he is as bad as he was today.

Pickett is an accurate passer and something happened today that wrecked all the timing and exacerbated his outlier poor accuracy today….and it is most likely:

1.) Oline on skates
a. Too many arms in the air close in because the o-line is way too passive and gave up too much ground at the snap.
b. The initial shift in the line of scrimmage I would guess is the problem….I just kept seeing the RBs getting in KPs throwing halo in the first half and then obviously zero consistency in the running game.
2.) No run game see bullet 1 and then the quick scores didn’t help.
3.) Running backs in KP’s throwing halo. See bullet 1.
4.) Guessing WRs getting manhandled on their routes which is on the coaching to not get that incorporated into practice and also on the coaching for not screaming at the refs.


Absolutely no violence today! I thought we had something when McCaffery got blown up on the 3rd and 1….and then it all went down hill. Kenny and the Steelers will recover……I hope!

You can't reason with these 2 gunts.

Kodiak was shitting himself when Kenny was playing great in the preseason. Didn't know whether to shit or wind his watch but at least he posted.

Perch hid under his bed in the fetal position.

Only showed up when shit was going wrong today against one helluva loaded team (the kind of team Ben Roethlisberger was drafted into).

Or maybe…….it’s not really sound analysis to put any stock in preseason football

This.

If I see another damn reference to “ya but the preseason”.

Have we lost our minds around here that now we are chest bumping over freaking preseason games where the opposing defenses (1) really weren’t game planning and (2) featured few starters.

Ah but that preseason.

News flash. Those games don’t count and nobody gives a shit.

You and Perch are hard asses on Pickett, but you both do not honestly think he is as bad as he was today.

Well, he is as good or bad as what he’s putting on tape. So when he puts shit on tape then that is who he is in those moments.

Can he play better? Sure. Maybe someday he will even throw two TDs in the same game.

Clock is ticking for him to show he’s more than a mediocre JAG.

I like the kid and his work ethic but he hasn’t been impressive.

[anpsteel]

Ben was never a f'n game manager, get real. He was out there throwing bombs and making huge, game-changing plays from day 1. You don't average 9 fucking yards a pass "managing" a game. Good lord.

Ben was definitely a game manager his first 2 years, under cowher.

They had a pitch count on him. no more than 25 passes.

Run run pass

That was about it. In the beginning, Cowher and Whizenhunt were 100% controlling Ben.

Manage the game. Don't lose the game.

[K_C_]

Ben was never a f'n game manager, get real. He was out there throwing bombs and making huge, game-changing plays from day 1. You don't average 9 fucking yards a pass "managing" a game. Good lord.

He was a total game manager early and it’s silly to debate otherwise. He threw 17 TD’s and 11 picks his rookie year and 17 and 9 his second. Each year for around 2500 yards. Those are good solid numbers but….wait for it….game manager numbers.

Ben soon shed that label and become something very different but the running game and defense were king early in Ben’s Steeler career. When called upon to start throwing, Ben (like Purdy now) had a lot of success.

It’s silly to argue. Ben wasn’t gunslinger early on.

[K_C_]

This guy just hates Ben and loves Bubby Pickett. It’s a fucking comedy show around here.

Ben the game manager with his top 10 all time stats in just about every meaningful QB category, top 3 in comeback victories, and most 500 yard and 6 TD passing games just screams game manager.

I’m sure Bubby Pickett will be far superior. It only took him 5 years to figure things out at Pitt so we just need to be more patient here. By the time he hits 30 years old he should be throwing 2 TD passes in the same game fairly regularly.

Yep, Ben is beyond criticism in your world….and yet I’ll still tell the truth about your poster boy of whacking material whenever I see fit.



Ben did an outstanding job of managing games early in his Steelers career. His development was something to behold!!

[955876]

Ben was never a f'n game manager, get real. He was out there throwing bombs and making huge, game-changing plays from day 1. You don't average 9 fucking yards a pass "managing" a game. Good lord.

Ben was definitely a game manager his first 2 years, under cowher.

They had a pitch count on him. no more than 25 passes.

Run run pass

That was about it. In the beginning, Cowher and Whizenhunt were 100% controlling Ben.

Manage the game. Don't lose the game.

But the passes he did make were significant. Ben made plays. Big ones. Even early in his career.

Remember that bomb to Plax against the Pats on Halloween his rookie year?

While Ben was raw and needed to be “managed” early on he also showed all of us that we had a QB that could go out and make big time plays.

He was given the game manager label because he didn’t throw a lot of passes relative to modern NFL.

However, he did a lot with the passes he did throw. His rookie year was full of games where he had ridiculous YPA of 11, 10.2, 13, 11.3, 11.6

Best KP has had as a pro was 9.2 and that came via the 10 passes he threw against the Jets in a loss.

After 14 pro games KP’s YPA is a meager 6.1.

After 14 pro games Ben’s YPA was 8.88.

[Professor Half Wit]

Ben was never a f'n game manager, get real. He was out there throwing bombs and making huge, game-changing plays from day 1. You don't average 9 fucking yards a pass "managing" a game. Good lord.

Ben was definitely a game manager his first 2 years, under cowher.

They had a pitch count on him. no more than 25 passes.

Run run pass

That was about it. In the beginning, Cowher and Whizenhunt were 100% controlling Ben.

Manage the game. Don't lose the game.

But the passes he did make were significant. Ben made plays. Big ones. Even early in his career.

Remember that bomb to Plax against the Pats on Halloween his rookie year?

While Ben was raw and needed to be “managed” early on he also showed all of us that we had a QB that could go out and make big time plays.

He was given the game manager label because he didn’t throw a lot of passes relative to modern NFL.

However, he did a lot with the passes he did throw. His rookie year was full of games where he had ridiculous YPA of 11, 10.2, 13, 11.3, 11.6

Best KP has had as a pro was 9.2 and that came via the 10 passes he threw against the Jets in a loss.

After 14 pro games KP’s YPA is a meager 6.1.

After 14 pro games Ben’s YPA was 8.88.

If BR was a game manager in 2004 / 5, I pray to baby Jeebus that KP starts managing games like BR did.

[K_C_]

Ben was never a f'n game manager, get real. He was out there throwing bombs and making huge, game-changing plays from day 1. You don't average 9 fucking yards a pass "managing" a game. Good lord.

Ben was definitely a game manager his first 2 years, under cowher.

They had a pitch count on him. no more than 25 passes.

Run run pass

That was about it. In the beginning, Cowher and Whizenhunt were 100% controlling Ben.

Manage the game. Don't lose the game.

But the passes he did make were significant. Ben made plays. Big ones. Even early in his career.

Remember that bomb to Plax against the Pats on Halloween his rookie year?

While Ben was raw and needed to be “managed” early on he also showed all of us that we had a QB that could go out and make big time plays.

He was given the game manager label because he didn’t throw a lot of passes relative to modern NFL.

However, he did a lot with the passes he did throw. His rookie year was full of games where he had ridiculous YPA of 11, 10.2, 13, 11.3, 11.6

Best KP has had as a pro was 9.2 and that came via the 10 passes he threw against the Jets in a loss.

After 14 pro games KP’s YPA is a meager 6.1.

After 14 pro games Ben’s YPA was 8.88.

Ben was incredible early. No one in their right mind would disagree but all you have to look at are the supporting casts Ben had around him and the supporting cast Kenny has right now.

Am I concerned about Kenny’s play? Oh fucking absolutely. He was terrible but what scares me more is that we were terrible in every phase. Every fucking phase.

1 guy came to play for the Steelers yesterday.

1 and if San Fran felt like it, they could have dropped 50 on us. That’s no exaggeration.

The moment was way too big for everyone but TJ WATT and we got out coached to the point where it got laughable.

[Steelperch]

This guy just hates Ben and loves Bubby Pickett. It’s a fucking comedy show around here.

Ben the game manager with his top 10 all time stats in just about every meaningful QB category, top 3 in comeback victories, and most 500 yard and 6 TD passing games just screams game manager.

I’m sure Bubby Pickett will be far superior. It only took him 5 years to figure things out at Pitt so we just need to be more patient here. By the time he hits 30 years old he should be throwing 2 TD passes in the same game fairly regularly.

Yep, Ben is beyond criticism in your world….and yet I’ll still tell the truth about your poster boy of whacking material whenever I see fit.



Ben did an outstanding job of managing games early in his Steelers career. His development was something to behold!!

Well we all gotta whack to something. Ben is the equivalent of a supermodel. Kenny Pickett is equivalent to Rachel Levine. To each his own.

[955876]

Agree that the rest of the team was bad too.

But Ben played behind some bad olines and had guys like Cedrick Wilson starting at receiver. He still produced.

This team isn’t as devoid of talent as you might think.

Now it has a couple of massive dipshits running the offense.

That doesn’t help.

[K_C_]

If BR was a game manager in 2004 / 5, I pray to baby Jeebus that KP starts managing games like BR did.

Dude....Kenny likely has no chance at becoming a Hall of Fame QB like Ben Roethlisberger, but Ben was allowed time to develop because he had several veteran stars around him, on both sides. Excellent coaching. Two star WR's. An unbelievable offensive line, an excellent running game and a star studded defense.

Kenny might be in trouble. It looks to me like he has none of those things. This Steeler team has a lot of talent actually, but a lot of it is very young and the coaching staff don't play to win. They play to keep things close and we aren't good enough to do that. The Steelers have to attack to have any chance at doing something special this year and Mike Tomlin isn't an attacking type coach.

He's a jet sweep kinda guy.

[K_C_]

Agree that the rest of the team was bad too.

But Ben played behind some bad olines and had guys like Cedrick Wilson starting at receiver. He still produced.

This team isn’t as devoid of talent as you might think.

Now it has a couple of massive dipshits running the offense.

That doesn’t help.

The other WR you didn't mention on Ben's early teams should be in the Hall of Fame. His TE was immediately outstanding. A major factor in the offense right away. Ben's offensive line was excellent both run blocking and in pass protection. His RB's his second year were a future Hall of Famer and a dude who still holds the record for the longest run in Super Bowl history....and boy did we need that run.

The defense was loaded. Hampton, Smith, Polamalu, Farrior, Taylor, Porter. They were fucking badasses.

You cannot compare the supporting casts because they weren't close.

[Steelperch]

Agree that the rest of the team was bad too.

But Ben played behind some bad olines and had guys like Cedrick Wilson starting at receiver. He still produced.

This team isn’t as devoid of talent as you might think.

Now it has a couple of massive dipshits running the offense.

That doesn’t help.

Oliver Ross, Kendrick Vincent, and Jerame Tuman were inferior to what we have at those positions now. Bettis was 280 pounds and washed up back then. Current Najee/Warren are more talented. I don’t see Burress as being any more talented than Pickens is. Ward over Dionte and the left side of the O line were better back then. Austin + Robinson and Washington + Heyward make receiving talent deeper now. This O has more overall skill talent, that O had fewer holes on the O line. Ben was also a 22 year old rookie with 3 years college experience, not a 25 year old with 5 years of college experience.

Ben also won a SB in 08 with the worst O line to ever win a title. Starks, Kemo, Hartwig, Stapleton, Colon. You only need excuses when you can’t muster results.

[tbsteel]

I mean, I think at this point the board collectively just has to realize that KC is in La-La Land when it comes to Pickett. You can't reach him with reasoning/logic, stats, or whatever else you want to come up with. He's dug in like the Japanese at Okinawa. I don't know if there's any coming back. It makes the board entertaining and generates posts, but it seems kind of pointless to argue with him on Pickett until the day Pickett is benched or moves on or whatever.

[K_C_]

The "washed up" Bettis in 2005 scored 9 TD's on the ground. Bettis was the goal line specialist while Willie Parker did the heavy lifting.

One year before Bettis was "washed up" he scored 13 TD's and ran for just under 1,000 yards.

His replacement in 2005, Willie Parker (who saved our asses in the Super Bowl) ran for over 1,200 yards in his first season as a starter.

[zeke5123]

People claiming Ben was a game manager are making a category error.

Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson are the paradigmatic game manager. They wouldn't throw a lot of passes. On 3rd down, their goal was "don't turn it over" so were happy hitting the check down and sending the punt team on. Basically, don't make a mistake.

Ben also didn't throw a lot of passes. The difference is Ben wasn't just trying to hit check-downs and punt. Ben was trying to make a big play with every single throw (hence the 9.0 YPA). That is, being a game manager isn't about the quantum of throws but the kind of throws. Ben was throwing daring bombs all over the field (and generally over the middle of the field). If you take Ben out of that offense and put in a regular QB, the team is probably between 6-10 or 10-6. Ben was the reason the offense was great because he made so many splash plays. If you take Dilfer or Johnson off of their teams and replace them with a regular QB their team gets better, not worse.

[zeke5123]

This guy just hates Ben and loves Bubby Pickett. It’s a fucking comedy show around here.

Ben the game manager with his top 10 all time stats in just about every meaningful QB category, top 3 in comeback victories, and most 500 yard and 6 TD passing games just screams game manager.

I’m sure Bubby Pickett will be far superior. It only took him 5 years to figure things out at Pitt so we just need to be more patient here. By the time he hits 30 years old he should be throwing 2 TD passes in the same game fairly regularly.

Remember, KC was the same idiot who trashed Big Ben to exalt Mason fucking Rudolph. He either hates Ben, or is obsessed with trying to find the "next" player before anyone else says anything.

[955876]

I’ve still seen way too much good to prematurely wet my pants like some

Aside from the extremely meaningless preseason, where is all of this “way too much good”?

His YPA as a pro has been woeful as well as has his ability to put points on the board. I guess inability a better term.

Has it been all bad? No. Certainly not.

But “way too much good”???

When & where?

[K_C_]

I mean, I think at this point the board collectively just has to realize that KC is in La-La Land when it comes to Pickett. You can't reach him with reasoning/logic, stats, or whatever else you want to come up with. He's dug in like the Japanese at Okinawa. I don't know if there's any coming back. It makes the board entertaining and generates posts, but it seems kind of pointless to argue with him on Pickett until the day Pickett is benched or moves on or whatever.

Um....that's why you don't know dick and prove it on a daily basis. If Kenny continues to play the way he did yesterday, which was awful, I could see the Steelers picking another QB in the first round next April. I'm not 100% sold on Kenny by any means, but I'm rooting for him and I know the kid doesn't have a lot of help. Yet. Yesterday the o-line got shit on. There was no running game to speak of and the play calling was laughable.

Was Kenny way the fuck off throwing the ball? Duh. Do I think he'll get a lot better? Absolutely but there's no guarantee he will. Each week though, I'll be pulling for him. Dude put in the work to get a lot better and there are 16 games left so you go ahead and give up on Pickett if you want. I could give a shit less if you do or don't. I'm not ready to give up on the guy and if you think I'm "dug in", then so be it.

I mean, who gives a fuck? Dude ain't getting replaced anytime soon.

[Orangesteel]

People claiming Ben was a game manager are making a category error.

Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson are the paradigmatic game manager. They wouldn't throw a lot of passes. On 3rd down, their goal was "don't turn it over" so were happy hitting the check down and sending the punt team on. Basically, don't make a mistake.

Ben also didn't throw a lot of passes. The difference is Ben wasn't just trying to hit check-downs and punt. Ben was trying to make a big play with every single throw (hence the 9.0 YPA). That is, being a game manager isn't about the quantum of throws but the kind of throws. Ben was throwing daring bombs all over the field (and generally over the middle of the field). If you take Ben out of that offense and put in a regular QB, the team is probably between 6-10 or 10-6. Ben was the reason the offense was great because he made so many splash plays. If you take Dilfer or Johnson off of their teams and replace them with a regular QB their team gets better, not worse.

This. Didn’t we scream at Ben for 18 years to “throw the ball away!!!!!”

We didn’t he do that? He wasn’t trying to manage the game, he was trying to extend the play to win the game. It worked most of the time because the guy is a legend.

[K_C_]

This guy just hates Ben and loves Bubby Pickett. It’s a fucking comedy show around here.

Ben the game manager with his top 10 all time stats in just about every meaningful QB category, top 3 in comeback victories, and most 500 yard and 6 TD passing games just screams game manager.

I’m sure Bubby Pickett will be far superior. It only took him 5 years to figure things out at Pitt so we just need to be more patient here. By the time he hits 30 years old he should be throwing 2 TD passes in the same game fairly regularly.

Remember, KC was the same idiot who trashed Big Ben to exalt Mason fucking Rudolph. He either hates Ben, or is obsessed with trying to find the "next" player before anyone else says anything.

Yeah, I wanted Ben replaced by Mason.



You may want to take your mental health medication. It's not a long trip up to the kitchen from mom's basement.