KP8 Crow

[DP39]

I mean, I think at this point the board collectively just has to realize that KC is in La-La Land when it comes to Pickett. You can't reach him with reasoning/logic, stats, or whatever else you want to come up with. He's dug in like the Japanese at Okinawa. I don't know if there's any coming back. It makes the board entertaining and generates posts, but it seems kind of pointless to argue with him on Pickett until the day Pickett is benched or moves on or whatever.

It's taken you this long to figure that out about him? He's shown you this for years. It's why I rarely interact with him -- my time is more valuable than that.

[langer]

Dilfer had Billik as HC, Jamal Lewis at RB and Sharpe at TE. That's not too shabby.

Johnson in WAS had Norv Turner, Stephen Davis and Michael Westbrook.

Pickett has Tomlin, Najee and Pickens.

Dude is fucked.

[DP39]

This guy just hates Ben and loves Bubby Pickett. It’s a fucking comedy show around here.

Ben the game manager with his top 10 all time stats in just about every meaningful QB category, top 3 in comeback victories, and most 500 yard and 6 TD passing games just screams game manager.

I’m sure Bubby Pickett will be far superior. It only took him 5 years to figure things out at Pitt so we just need to be more patient here. By the time he hits 30 years old he should be throwing 2 TD passes in the same game fairly regularly.

Remember, KC was the same idiot who trashed Big Ben to exalt Mason fucking Rudolph. He either hates Ben, or is obsessed with trying to find the "next" player before anyone else says anything.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

[K_C_]

This guy just hates Ben and loves Bubby Pickett. It’s a fucking comedy show around here.

Ben the game manager with his top 10 all time stats in just about every meaningful QB category, top 3 in comeback victories, and most 500 yard and 6 TD passing games just screams game manager.

I’m sure Bubby Pickett will be far superior. It only took him 5 years to figure things out at Pitt so we just need to be more patient here. By the time he hits 30 years old he should be throwing 2 TD passes in the same game fairly regularly.

Remember, KC was the same idiot who trashed Big Ben to exalt Mason fucking Rudolph. He either hates Ben, or is obsessed with trying to find the "next" player before anyone else says anything.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

I love how I live rent free in some REALLY fucking empty heads!!

[Professor Half Wit]

If BR was a game manager in 2004 / 5, I pray to baby Jeebus that KP starts managing games like BR did.

Dude....Kenny likely has no chance at becoming a Hall of Fame QB like Ben Roethlisberger, but Ben was allowed time to develop because he had several veteran stars around him, on both sides. Excellent coaching. Two star WR's. An unbelievable offensive line, an excellent running game and a star studded defense.

Kenny might be in trouble. It looks to me like he has none of those things. This Steeler team has a lot of talent actually, but a lot of it is very young and the coaching staff don't play to win. They play to keep things close and we aren't good enough to do that. The Steelers have to attack to have any chance at doing something special this year and Mike Tomlin isn't an attacking type coach.

He's a jet sweep kinda guy.

I wasn’t joking tho.

I pray to baby jeebus that somehow we get a dominating run game going and that KP is able take shots that win games.

It’s overreaction Monday, baby!

[Professor Half Wit]

Oh and Ben was done, IMO.

But Ben’s done corpse would have played better than KP yesterday.

[K_C_]

Oh and Ben was done, IMO.

But Ben’s done corpse would have played better than KP yesterday.

The last time we saw Ben, was against the Chiefs who had a good defense, but I assure you, San Fran's defense shits all over what KC had on the field defensively that day.

We didn't get our first 1st down against the Chiefs until I believe it was midway through the 4th quarter and TJ Watt had our only TD at the half.

Yes. Ben was done.

Yes. Kenny was awful yesterday.

Both can be true. The extra 3 points or whatever we get with Ben yesterday vs San Fran is totally meaningless.

Let's just hope KP8 plays a whole lot better Monday night. I remain excited as all fuck for this season.

[SteelerDayTrader]

This guy just hates Ben and loves Bubby Pickett. It’s a fucking comedy show around here.

Ben the game manager with his top 10 all time stats in just about every meaningful QB category, top 3 in comeback victories, and most 500 yard and 6 TD passing games just screams game manager.

I’m sure Bubby Pickett will be far superior. It only took him 5 years to figure things out at Pitt so we just need to be more patient here. By the time he hits 30 years old he should be throwing 2 TD passes in the same game fairly regularly.

Remember, KC was the same idiot who trashed Big Ben to exalt Mason fucking Rudolph. He either hates Ben, or is obsessed with trying to find the "next" player before anyone else says anything.

Ding ding we have a winner !!! Lol

- KC has NEVER been right about a player before everyone else is on to him and it KILLS him. Lol

- So he compensates by jumping on borderline players all the time and they almost always fail miserably. Lol. Basically KC is the Steeler jinx. Lol.

- I think everyone should use the @Steelperch parameter from now on before hyping a player. They must AT LEAST put up “half an Al Bundy” before they get serious props. Lolololz

[K_C_]

This guy just hates Ben and loves Bubby Pickett. It’s a fucking comedy show around here.

Ben the game manager with his top 10 all time stats in just about every meaningful QB category, top 3 in comeback victories, and most 500 yard and 6 TD passing games just screams game manager.

I’m sure Bubby Pickett will be far superior. It only took him 5 years to figure things out at Pitt so we just need to be more patient here. By the time he hits 30 years old he should be throwing 2 TD passes in the same game fairly regularly.

Remember, KC was the same idiot who trashed Big Ben to exalt Mason fucking Rudolph. He either hates Ben, or is obsessed with trying to find the "next" player before anyone else says anything.

Ding ding we have a winner !!! Lol

- KC has NEVER been right about a player before everyone else is on to him and it KILLS him. Lol

- So he compensates by jumping on borderline players all the time and they almost always fail miserably. Lol. Basically KC is the Steeler jinx. Lol.

- I think everyone should use the @Steelperch parameter from now on before hyping a player. They must AT LEAST put up “half an Al Bundy” before they get serious props. Lolololz

Low Watt wasn't good yesterday.



I mean dude...you do realize you're absolutely retarded right?

I mean....for realz.

[955876]

I remain excited as all fuck for this season.

Had we simply lost a competitive game I’d feel the same way.

However, we managed to look like the high school freshman squad going not against the varsity boys but against a a division 1 college team

Outplayed and out-coached in every single facet of the game.

I can no longer get excited about beating other bad teams or catching a good team with injuries or during a bad week.

We are officially the Powderpuff squad until they prove otherwise.

[Works At A Bank]

I’m more pissed at myself for believing that Picketts second half of 22 and his off season dedication would equal success. I’m also pissed at myself for actually believing in Tomlin and his coaching staff. I feel like Charlie fucking Brown trying to kick the football only to have Jibba Jaws pull it away the last minute. Excuse me while I pick myself up off the ground.

[955876]

I’m also pissed at myself for actually believing in Tomlin and his coaching staff.

I try to give the Jibberin fraud a clean slate each and every season.

He continues to prove me right time and time and time again.

These bums had two full weeks to prepare for this game and literally came within one more pathetic series from playing an entire half of football and gaining but one single measly yard.

[Jobu]

I try to give the Jibberin fraud a clean slate each and every season

I used to be like that, but gave up on it several years ago…figured I was just deluding myself. The guy just isn’t a good coach. Unless of course, mediocrity is your banner of success!

[anpsteel]

Ben was never a f'n game manager, get real. He was out there throwing bombs and making huge, game-changing plays from day 1. You don't average 9 fucking yards a pass "managing" a game. Good lord.

Ben was definitely a game manager his first 2 years, under cowher.

They had a pitch count on him. no more than 25 passes.

Run run pass

That was about it. In the beginning, Cowher and Whizenhunt were 100% controlling Ben.

Manage the game. Don't lose the game.

But the passes he did make were significant. Ben made plays. Big ones. Even early in his career.

Remember that bomb to Plax against the Pats on Halloween his rookie year?

While Ben was raw and needed to be “managed” early on he also showed all of us that we had a QB that could go out and make big time plays.

He was given the game manager label because he didn’t throw a lot of passes relative to modern NFL.

However, he did a lot with the passes he did throw. His rookie year was full of games where he had ridiculous YPA of 11, 10.2, 13, 11.3, 11.6

Best KP has had as a pro was 9.2 and that came via the 10 passes he threw against the Jets in a loss.

After 14 pro games KP’s YPA is a meager 6.1.

After 14 pro games Ben’s YPA was 8.88.

I’m not even remotely suggesting Ben wasn’t a better player

I’m just pointing out the fact that Cowher and Whiz specifically had him managing the game his first two seasons.


I don’t see how that can even be in question

[955876]

I don’t see how that can even be in question

Depends on your definition of “manage”.

KP has been a game manager has he not? They limited his passes last year and when he did throw they made sure they were safe & short throws for the most part.

As shown by his super low YPA.

Ben wasn’t asked to throw a lot either. But Ben made big plays downfield when plays broke down.

Even as a rookie “game manager”.

[W&M_Steeler]

I’m not even remotely suggesting Ben wasn’t a better player

I’m just pointing out the fact that Cowher and Whiz specifically had him managing the game his first two seasons.

I don’t see how that can even be in question

Young Ben wasn't really a game manager in the traditional, Trent Dilferesque sense. The Steelers would pass to secure a lead in the first half, then run out the clock in the second half. It ended up with Ben having pedestrian stats for the game because he was barely passing in the second half. I remember we (at Stillers and the old Steelers official forum) were very annoyed at the time when talking heads called Ben a game manager for this precise reason- Ben's play was far more explosive than the typical game manager. I think comparing Purdy to Ben sells rookie / 2nd year Ben short. He could do some amazing things before meeting the Buick.

Anyway, I don't see why we're comparing Ben and Kenny. The choice in 2022 wasn't between Kenny and 2004 Ben. It wasn't even between Kenny and Old Man Ben- Ben was totally finished and wasn't coming back.

To the extent we're making comparisons, it's (1) between Kenny and the other 2022 QBs; and (2) between Kenny and the 2023 rookie QBs. I favored taking a different position in round 1 in 2022, starting Mitch T, and then taking a QB high in 2023, when the class was supposed to be better. We'll see how it turns out.

[W&M_Steeler]

How's that crow taste today?

This should be an interesting thread to watch throughout the season,

Tastes good.

I dislike eating it but I am cool with this serving because in the near future I will be dishing out the crow.

I hope you are dishing out crow frequently. I hope Kenny is an all-time Steelers great and that he gets a gold jacket in Canton in 2045. But I haven't seen anything from Kenny to date to make me think he will be anything more than mediocre, and the massive overhype for him based on essentially nothing has become really annoying.

[stillthere]

How's that crow taste today?

This should be an interesting thread to watch throughout the season,

Tastes good.

I dislike eating it but I am cool with this serving because in the near future I will be dishing out the crow.

I hope you are dishing out crow frequently. I hope Kenny is an all-time Steelers great and that he gets a gold jacket in Canton in 2045. But I haven't seen anything from Kenny to date to make me think he will be anything more than mediocre, and the massive overhype for him based on essentially nothing has become really annoying.

You may be correct sir. I will hold out hope. It springs eternal and all that jazz.....

[Works At A Bank]

Bump

[Jtf]

I think you are reading WAAAAY too much into this. By a lot.

Pabst said maybe we should wait until we get into actual games before having a KP hater eat crow thread.

I said a few picks against the 9ers in a loss will tamp down that enthusiasm.

You came back acting like it didn’t matter or trying to explain it away.

I get all QBs throw picks. Duh. I’m not disputing that.

I’m just saying if KP comes out throwing some picks and we lose games it’ll look pretty dumb to have a thread about the haters eating crow.

I’m not speaking at all about his long-term development or if I think he’s any good. I’m on board. I like the guy.

But say we start 1-2 or 0-3 where KP has 1 TD to 4 INTs and then come back and start a thread about how people should eat crow and see how well that goes over.

That’s all I’m saying when I agreed with a Pabst that maybe we should actually win some games that matter before starting a “time to eat crow” thread.

If you wanna crown him for preseason success go right ahead.

Well you pretty much called this exactly right. Spot on

[W&M_Steeler]

This is exactly why it is so difficult to evaluate QBs and why I especially hate when people talk about a QB’s “ceiling”. It’s almost comical. KP8 has as much arm talent as Tom Brady. Yes, I know (and B2B said this the last time I brought it up) that comparing a rookie (now second year player) to an all time great or unicorn isn’t going to be the most apt analogy the vast majority of times, but it’s also precisely why you cannot and should not write a signal caller off early for “tools” reasons. Once certain minimum thresholds have been reached, the most important attributes are passing accuracy and football IQ. KP8 appears to have those in spades.

Aside over and back to KP8, what makes him this good even early is his decision making and accuracy, especially on the move. He is also a very underrated athlete. And I have not seen very many QBs with his accuracy on the move, particularly when going to his left. Uncanny. KP8 has the potential to be something truly special. Time will tell but I have been and continue to be very optimistic about his growth in year 2.

For the haters:

Is it too late to get a Kenny apology form?

[CKSteeler]

That fucking guy has the nerve to call other people lemmings...

[Jams]

Damn, this post didn't age well. I suggest the mods delete this post to save most people the embracement. lol JK

[955876]

I think you are reading WAAAAY too much into this. By a lot.

Pabst said maybe we should wait until we get into actual games before having a KP hater eat crow thread.

I said a few picks against the 9ers in a loss will tamp down that enthusiasm.

You came back acting like it didn’t matter or trying to explain it away.

I get all QBs throw picks. Duh. I’m not disputing that.

I’m just saying if KP comes out throwing some picks and we lose games it’ll look pretty dumb to have a thread about the haters eating crow.

I’m not speaking at all about his long-term development or if I think he’s any good. I’m on board. I like the guy.

But say we start 1-2 or 0-3 where KP has 1 TD to 4 INTs and then come back and start a thread about how people should eat crow and see how well that goes over.

That’s all I’m saying when I agreed with a Pabst that maybe we should actually win some games that matter before starting a “time to eat crow” thread.

If you wanna crown him for preseason success go right ahead.

Well you pretty much called this exactly right. Spot on

Right on…

[Smashmouth21]

I must have missed this yesterday.

Some of you take yourselves way too seriously and never admit when you’re wrong on player projection. This isn’t even my worst take… some day over a beer you can ask me about my initial thoughts on the 2008 draft class.

[Steelperch]

Damnit, looks like I’ll have to post here every week for a LOONG time. Been posting on these sites since 1999 and this guy thinks I hide.

I’m sure you just had family obligations or something until the whole team unraveled today.

Awww, he really wanted to pound his chest over some meaningless preseason drives. Sorry I don’t sign in during the off-season. Go right ahead, I’m here to listen. How about we do a bet on Pickett, SteelerFury retirement match. If he finishes top 15 in TD passes or QB rating I’ll delete my account. If he doesn’t, you do.

How’s that bet looking right about now?

[955876]

I mean, I think at this point the board collectively just has to realize that KC is in La-La Land when it comes to Pickett. You can't reach him with reasoning/logic, stats, or whatever else you want to come up with. He's dug in like the Japanese at Okinawa. I don't know if there's any coming back. It makes the board entertaining and generates posts, but it seems kind of pointless to argue with him on Pickett until the day Pickett is benched or moves on or whatever.

It's taken you this long to figure that out about him? He's shown you this for years. It's why I rarely interact with him -- my time is more valuable than that.

New Year’s resolution….

[K_C_]

I’m sure you just had family obligations or something until the whole team unraveled today.

Awww, he really wanted to pound his chest over some meaningless preseason drives. Sorry I don’t sign in during the off-season. Go right ahead, I’m here to listen. How about we do a bet on Pickett, SteelerFury retirement match. If he finishes top 15 in TD passes or QB rating I’ll delete my account. If he doesn’t, you do.

How’s that bet looking right about now?

Oh wait, I never even saw you make this post and if you did, I forgot about it.

....probably because you were missing the entire preseason.

[Professor Half Wit]

Hey, if we’re being honest, having our account deleted would be a good. All our time spent on this site is time wasted in a very short life.

[Jobu]

Hey, if we’re being honest, having our account deleted would be a good. All our time spent on this site is time wasted in a very short life.

Isn’t that the truth. Every night I tell myself I’m going to spend less time on this site and do more constructive things. Well, you see where I am…