Steelers vs Browns Game Comments & Discussion

[W&M_Steeler]

We don't threaten vertically with the pass, and we don't threaten horizontally with Najee. That's an easy, easy match-up even for mediocre defenses.

Starting to look a lot like the Mason/Duck offense under Fitchner in 2019. Same dink-and-dunk, go nowhere bullshit, and then hope to catch them sleeping on a play or two (like the 72-yd TD last night to Pickens).

2019 was Tomlin's dream season. That's what he wants- a dominant defense, coupled with an offense that doesn't lose the game. The only problem with 2019 was that Mason and Duck weren't quite good enough to consistently not lose games. I think the hope inside Steelers HQ is that Kenny P is in the sweet spot- better than Mason / Duck, good enough to not lose games, but not so good that he and the offense become the focal point of the team like it was under Ben in the 2010s. Tomlin doesn't know how to win with an offensive team.

[Ice]

We don't threaten vertically with the pass, and we don't threaten horizontally with Najee. That's an easy, easy match-up even for mediocre defenses.

Starting to look a lot like the Mason/Duck offense under Fitchner in 2019. Same dink-and-dunk, go nowhere bullshit, and then hope to catch them sleeping on a play or two (like the 72-yd TD last night to Pickens).

2019 was Tomlin's dream season. That's what he wants- a dominant defense, coupled with an offense that doesn't lose the game. The only problem with 2019 was that Mason and Duck weren't quite good enough to consistently not lose games. I think the hope inside Steelers HQ is that Kenny P is in the sweet spot- better than Mason / Duck, good enough to not lose games, but not so good that he and the offense become the focal point of the team like it was under Ben in the 2010s. Tomlin doesn't know how to win with an offensive team.

Couple that last statement with the fact that he clearly doesn't know how to build a defensive team, and...

[stillthere]

Where is Connor Heyward?
Where is Pat fucking Fry?

Heyward I am not sure why he was erased from the playbook / play calling
I do not think Muuuth is fully back from the sternum shot he took against SF. DK said that Pat was having trouble talking in a normal voice at least until Wednesday of last week. I expect Muuuth will be more involved next week again.

[stillthere]

Next Gen Stat of the game: Deshaun Watson completed just 3 off 11 pass attempts while under pressure Monday night, bringing his total to 7 of 22 while under pressure this season. His -26.7 completion percentage over expected while under pressure is the worst in the NFL among qualified quarterbacks.

How was KP?

I got that stat from an article on NFL.com it did not give any numbers about Kenny. KP8 did have a 71 yard TD completion while staring down the barrel so I bet his numbers "under pressure" will turn out to be better.

[stillthere]

Kenny is slobbing on a knob like corn on the cob.

Major bonus points for anyone who knows this reference.

Three Six Mafia.

Fork over them bonus points.

Slap 'em on your fridge, ol skool.

Didn't peg you for a devotee of the Memphis fine arts scene.

he could of just asked chatgpt but I will give him credit for being a devotee.

[LakecrestSteeler]

Where is Connor Heyward?
Where is Pat fucking Fry?

Heyward I am not sure why he was erased from the playbook / play calling
I do not think Muuuth is fully back from the sternum shot he took against SF. DK said that Pat was having trouble talking in a normal voice at least until Wednesday of last week. I expect Muuuth will be more involved next week again.

Then why not give a heavy dose of Washington?

You have to second guess cutting Gentry. Maybe there would be more continuity in the run game with him versus the extra lineman?

I believe he was a pretty good blocker, and his size.

I have seen some suspect blocks or failure to block out of Freiermuth??? Didn't know he was injured...that probably explains some things.

[stillthere]

Where is Connor Heyward?
Where is Pat fucking Fry?

Heyward I am not sure why he was erased from the playbook / play calling
I do not think Muuuth is fully back from the sternum shot he took against SF. DK said that Pat was having trouble talking in a normal voice at least until Wednesday of last week. I expect Muuuth will be more involved next week again.

Then why not give a heavy dose of Washington?

You have to second guess cutting Gentry. Maybe there would be more continuity in the run game with him versus the extra lineman?

I believe he was a pretty good blocker, and his size.

I have seen some suspect blocks or failure to block out of Freiermuth??? Didn't know he was injured...that probably explains some things.

I thought I saw Washington laying on the ground at one point during the game and seemingly in pain in the first half. Otherwise it is insane that he was not playing a good amount vs that front wall. It would have been nice to watch him drive Jooooseeeee Garrett flat onto his back and stand over him like JuJu against Burfict.

I was sure Gentry was going to make the team. I thought they could do some wild things in 13 or 14 personnel with all the big bodies (that hope is gone).

[Professor Half Wit]

Three Six Mafia.

Fork over them bonus points.

Slap 'em on your fridge, ol skool.

Didn't peg you for a devotee of the Memphis fine arts scene.

he could of just asked chatgpt but I will give him credit for being a devotee.

WUT?!

Students are cheating on quizzes using AI, are they?!

[drmalba]

Stephen A. Smith is destroying Matt Canada right now.

.

Kenny looks like he is regressing and that is bad news for the presumed franchise QB. How can we assume part of that is not coaching?

Here is where the rooney mindset can be frustrating. Due to Keith Butlers revelations last year we all now know Tomlin is never going to hire a real DC to put his stamp on this team. Brian Flores was a nice dream addition to the staff but we knew he can't operate under Tomlin without some kind of ironclad guarantee dude would eventually step aside and hand him the job.

But this FO, with a fresh new GM dying to put his own stamp on the team, had a chance to do something different with the offense. Instead of looking at Matt Canada launching him into the sun we chose to keep him. What really sucks is that we could have had a guy like Eric Bienemy. Dude is a two time world champion who coached the best QB in the game.and was simply not getting any HC traction..And we didn't even pick up the phone?

[stillthere]

What really sucks is that we could have had a guy like Eric Bienemy. Dude is a two time world champion who coached the best QB in the game.and was simply not getting any HC traction..And we didn't even pick up the phone?

Plus he was a part of those Colorado teams that we tapped a fair amount of talent from. Buffs back in the day cranked out close to a decade of good NFL talent then fell off the planet for a long long time till this year it seems.

[bradshaw2ben]

Stephen A. Smith is destroying Matt Canada right now.

.

Kenny looks like he is regressing and that is bad news for the presumed franchise QB. How can we assume part of that is not coaching?

Here is where the rooney mindset can be frustrating. Due to Keith Butlers revelations last year we all now know Tomlin is never going to hire a real DC to put his stamp on this team. Brian Flores was a nice dream addition to the staff but we knew he can't operate under Tomlin without some kind of ironclad guarantee dude would eventually step aside and hand him the job.

But this FO, with a fresh new GM dying to put his own stamp on the team, had a chance to do something different with the offense. Instead of looking at Matt Canada launching him into the sun we chose to keep him. What really sucks is that we could have had a guy like Eric Bienemy. Dude is a two time world champion who coached the best QB in the game.and was simply not getting any HC traction..And we didn't even pick up the phone?

I mean there is 5 years of college evidence about who Kenny Pickett is and what the issues were, so it’s not like he was a demigod passer until he met Tomlin & Canada. He’ll even look good vs the 31st ranked defense this week, and everybody will be like, ok he’s back on track! Until he isn’t.

[jebrick]

I still stand by my draft day evaluation that KP will be a fine backup in the NFL. Perhaps one of the better ones.

[bradshaw2ben]

It’s going to take him surviving 4 years of abuse, but if he gets through that, you may be right about his career past that.

[fractalsteel]

Stephen A. Smith is destroying Matt Canada right now.

.

Kenny looks like he is regressing and that is bad news for the presumed franchise QB. How can we assume part of that is not coaching?

Here is where the rooney mindset can be frustrating. Due to Keith Butlers revelations last year we all now know Tomlin is never going to hire a real DC to put his stamp on this team. Brian Flores was a nice dream addition to the staff but we knew he can't operate under Tomlin without some kind of ironclad guarantee dude would eventually step aside and hand him the job.

But this FO, with a fresh new GM dying to put his own stamp on the team, had a chance to do something different with the offense. Instead of looking at Matt Canada launching him into the sun we chose to keep him. What really sucks is that we could have had a guy like Eric Bienemy. Dude is a two time world champion who coached the best QB in the game.and was simply not getting any HC traction..And we didn't even pick up the phone?

I mean there is 5 years of college evidence about who Kenny Pickett is and what the issues were, so it’s not like he was a demigod passer until he met Tomlin & Canada. He’ll even look good vs the 31st ranked defense this week, and everybody will be like, ok he’s back on track! Until he isn’t.

B2B, that is an honest assessment right there.
I stand by my early take that KP was a second round talent.
I'm hoping like hell he becomes a very good QB but then reality reminds me that he is coached by Mikey and Canada.

[DP39]

We don't threaten vertically with the pass, and we don't threaten horizontally with Najee. That's an easy, easy match-up even for mediocre defenses.

Starting to look a lot like the Mason/Duck offense under Fitchner in 2019. Same dink-and-dunk, go nowhere bullshit, and then hope to catch them sleeping on a play or two (like the 72-yd TD last night to Pickens).

2019 was Tomlin's dream season. That's what he wants- a dominant defense, coupled with an offense that doesn't lose the game. The only problem with 2019 was that Mason and Duck weren't quite good enough to consistently not lose games. I think the hope inside Steelers HQ is that Kenny P is in the sweet spot- better than Mason / Duck, good enough to not lose games, but not so good that he and the offense become the focal point of the team like it was under Ben in the 2010s. Tomlin doesn't know how to win with an offensive team.

Even if he could win with an offensive team, Tomlin really doesn't want to -- another reason he puts in yes men as OCs.

Tomlin's ego and stupidity are major problems regarding this area. When he started out in coaching, he was specifically told that if he wanted to advance his career as an NFL coach, as a black man, he would HAVE to do it on the defensive side of the ball -- even though he viewed himself as an offensive mind (all his words, not mine).

Tomlin (and his dumb ego) decided long ago that he would show everyone that he was the smartest coach in the league -- on either side of the ball. His goal is to one up all of those supposed great offensive minds with his better defensive mind. That's the real reason he pays such little attention to the O side of the ball. Fuck 'em! I'll show 'em!

[stillthere]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCD52vd_nR8
One little bow to tie this thread up and Vegas in the sights.
8ish minutes
Some of the camera angles and close ups are really great in this video. I would love to have access to the areas the Steelers social media teams have access to. Just filming a sideline and endzone documentary all the time would be a really fun job even for an old fucker like myself.