"The Standard" getting pounded by national media FINALLY!
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Re: "The Standard" getting pounded by national media FINALLY!
I get that Ws are the most important stat by far but the law of averages always gets it’s due
If Kenny ascended to merely slightly below average (10-15 outta 32 QBs) it would be a noticeable improvement
Currently every week every play he struggles to not be the worst outta 32 and has taken up residence in the bottom 5 in many many crucial measureables
If Kenny ascended to merely slightly below average (10-15 outta 32 QBs) it would be a noticeable improvement
Currently every week every play he struggles to not be the worst outta 32 and has taken up residence in the bottom 5 in many many crucial measureables
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Dan Marino probably told you about the Super Bowl rings they pass out for stellar statistics.955876 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 1:54 amWhat he puts on tape is who he is at this point. It isn’t a “narrative”.
His extremely meager stats back-up what I’m saying.
Look, I know you are one of Jibbs biggest fluffers here and in general a fan boy so being blind to how pedestrian KP has been doesn’t surprise me. But damn kid, have some objectively.
KP has been FAR from a “precision passer”.
Go to NFL.com and pull-up stats. Pickett is currently 26th in the league. He is behind guys like Gardner Minshew, Zach Wilson, washed-up Russell Wilson, and Josh Dobbs.
That is beyond pathetic.
TDs? You know, how a QB puts points on the board he is currently 27th with a woeful 6 TDs with almost half the season already behind us.
Yep. KP is a bonafide surgeon with the football….![]()
Care to come back with something actually based on evidence rather than your opinion.
I provided hard evidence.
You?
There are 32 teams so 32 QBs.
KP is current in the bottom tier. How can that be for a “precision passer” making excellent decisions?
Wouldn’t that lead to better stats?
And BTW, I have ZERO agenda with KP. I’m not a pretend draft guru and don’t have prejudice against him. I want him to be good.
To say I’ve been highly underwhelmed this year would be an understatement.
Happy feet, locking on to one side of the field, inaccuracy, etc.
He’s pedestrian at this point.
That’s why uninformed internet tough guys like you always end up looking like absolute fools. You can find that under “extremely gullible” in the dictionary. I’ll wait while you check.
Keep being you Board Lemming.
When KP wins a Super Bowl you can come back here and push my nose in it. Until then, you are a stupid fucking fan boy that is hero worshipping with no basis in reality.Smashmouth21 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 2:28 amDan Marino probably told you about the Super Bowl rings they pass out for stellar statistics.955876 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 1:54 amWhat he puts on tape is who he is at this point. It isn’t a “narrative”.
His extremely meager stats back-up what I’m saying.
Look, I know you are one of Jibbs biggest fluffers here and in general a fan boy so being blind to how pedestrian KP has been doesn’t surprise me. But damn kid, have some objectively.
KP has been FAR from a “precision passer”.
Go to NFL.com and pull-up stats. Pickett is currently 26th in the league. He is behind guys like Gardner Minshew, Zach Wilson, washed-up Russell Wilson, and Josh Dobbs.
That is beyond pathetic.
TDs? You know, how a QB puts points on the board he is currently 27th with a woeful 6 TDs with almost half the season already behind us.
Yep. KP is a bonafide surgeon with the football….![]()
Care to come back with something actually based on evidence rather than your opinion.
I provided hard evidence.
You?
There are 32 teams so 32 QBs.
KP is current in the bottom tier. How can that be for a “precision passer” making excellent decisions?
Wouldn’t that lead to better stats?
And BTW, I have ZERO agenda with KP. I’m not a pretend draft guru and don’t have prejudice against him. I want him to be good.
To say I’ve been highly underwhelmed this year would be an understatement.
Happy feet, locking on to one side of the field, inaccuracy, etc.
He’s pedestrian at this point.
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That’s why uninformed internet tough guys like you always end up looking like absolute fools. You can find that under “extremely gullible” in the dictionary. I’ll wait while you check.
Keep being you Board Lemming.
Stats aren’t everything. I agree. But KP isn’t even mid tier at this point. He’s bottom feeder level.
I put up facts. You have your opinion.
And are you even old enough to have ever seen Dan Marino play???
I’m betting no. Or you were so young to not know what you were seeing.
Marino wasn’t the reason he didn’t win a championship dumb shit.
I mean fuck, you are the one defending KP as an excellent decision maker and “precision passer”.
What damn games have you been watching junior?
Like I said, when KP wins a Super Bowl come rub my nose in it. That’ll be shit I’ll happily eat and come back for seconds and thirds.
Till then, you are jerking off over a fantasy because what the guy is putting on tape is among the league worse.
Guys like B2B and Perch who know far more bout football then I agree with what I’m saying.
Who do you have on your side? How can you back-up this “precision passer” bullshit?
Guy has league worst stays dispshit. Great decision makers who are precision passes ummm complete passes and pick up yards
KP? He ain’t doing that. Maybe he will. I hope he does.
But you are dead wrong on this debate at this point in time.
Now go tell mommy you are ready for dinner.
Still live at home right?
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You didn’t even know what that word meant until I used it here.Keep being you Board Lemming.
You are so low on the totem pole to almost not even be worth my time to respond to.
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There's nothing wrong with cheering for the Steelers and being happy for every win they get. You can be upset, frustrated and angry all you want each time they win. I prefer to be happy and optimistic as the season progresses.Obviously wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 1:28 pmWhat's old is Tomlin's leadership or lack thereof. What's old is no playoff wins since the 2016 season. What's old are shitbags calling themselves Steelers fans accepting this mediocrity bullshit.Texas Black & Gold wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:50 amIt gets old though.Stillchest wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:38 am
Thankfully, there are more of those threads, than the poasters who continually, fellate Tomlin for mediocrity.![]()
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Glad I hit a nerve. And thanks for making my point. You keep slobbering all over that totem pole Board Lemming. They might give you that you that reassurance you clearly need.
You can’t hit a nerve with me because you don’t matter to me.
But I am here to talk Steelers football and have no problem calling out nonsense.
Let’s recap:
Your claim is that KP is making great decisions and has been a “precision passer”.
Yet his league bottom feeder stats don’t back that up. Not even close. And you can write off those stats all you but they do reveal where KP is as a passer at present. That can’t be ignored.
Yes he’s only thrown 4 picks. But he’s only thrown 4 picks because they are eliminating risk from the offense to limit those picks.
You know what else it’s done??? Limit plays.
I mean, the guy is the QB of an offense that has been HISTORICALLY AWFUL.
If he’s been such a precision passer making great decisions why does his offense go huge stretches of the game without being able to pick-up 1st downs?
Can you explain that?
His lack of explosive plays in the pass game has also made it far more difficult to run the ball as teams are stacking the box.
And why wouldn’t they? I mean, what defense on the planet is going to fear KP’s average of 186 yards per game with 0.75 TDs?
Which one? What defense is going to worry about a passer if that’s all he’s doing? Not even a full TD per game average.
Those aren’t the numbers of a “precision passers making “great decisions”.
If he was such a precision passer we’d be converting 3rd downs more often rather than LEADING THE LEAGUE IN THREE AND OUTS.
I’m arguing with facts. Facts based on the numbers. They do not lie.
You are arguing with nothing but your feelings.
If we were attorneys stating our case to a jury I’ve won. And won easily.
A jury needs facts. You can’t win a case with nothing but your lil feelings on a matter.
The prosecution rest your honor.
I’ve proven you guilty. Now mount your defense with something tangible besides what you think. That can’t be quantified.
And no jury is buying it.
Pretend you’ve gotten into my head if you want. Just more made up nonsense based on nothing.
Now run along kiddo.
Not debating this further. Especially when it’s come down to my facts vs your feelings.
Dandelion generation that can’t think critically on anything because….
Your feeeewings….
But I am here to talk Steelers football and have no problem calling out nonsense.
Let’s recap:
Your claim is that KP is making great decisions and has been a “precision passer”.
Yet his league bottom feeder stats don’t back that up. Not even close. And you can write off those stats all you but they do reveal where KP is as a passer at present. That can’t be ignored.
Yes he’s only thrown 4 picks. But he’s only thrown 4 picks because they are eliminating risk from the offense to limit those picks.
You know what else it’s done??? Limit plays.
I mean, the guy is the QB of an offense that has been HISTORICALLY AWFUL.
If he’s been such a precision passer making great decisions why does his offense go huge stretches of the game without being able to pick-up 1st downs?
Can you explain that?
His lack of explosive plays in the pass game has also made it far more difficult to run the ball as teams are stacking the box.
And why wouldn’t they? I mean, what defense on the planet is going to fear KP’s average of 186 yards per game with 0.75 TDs?
Which one? What defense is going to worry about a passer if that’s all he’s doing? Not even a full TD per game average.
Those aren’t the numbers of a “precision passers making “great decisions”.
If he was such a precision passer we’d be converting 3rd downs more often rather than LEADING THE LEAGUE IN THREE AND OUTS.
I’m arguing with facts. Facts based on the numbers. They do not lie.
You are arguing with nothing but your feelings.
If we were attorneys stating our case to a jury I’ve won. And won easily.
A jury needs facts. You can’t win a case with nothing but your lil feelings on a matter.
The prosecution rest your honor.
I’ve proven you guilty. Now mount your defense with something tangible besides what you think. That can’t be quantified.
And no jury is buying it.
Pretend you’ve gotten into my head if you want. Just more made up nonsense based on nothing.
Now run along kiddo.
Not debating this further. Especially when it’s come down to my facts vs your feelings.
Dandelion generation that can’t think critically on anything because….
Your feeeewings….
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So in addition to being a Board Lemming, you can’t even read.955876 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 3:56 pmYou can’t hit a nerve with me because you don’t matter to me.
But I am here to talk Steelers football and have no problem calling out nonsense.
Let’s recap:
Your claim is that KP is making great decisions and has been a “precision passer”.
Yet his league bottom feeder stays don’t back that up. Not even close. And you can write off those stats all you but they do reveal where KP is as a passer at present. That can’t be ignored.
Yes he’s only thrown 4 picks. But he’s only thrown 4 picks because they are eliminating risk from the offense to limit those picks.
You know what else it’s done??? Limit plays.
I mean, the guy is the QB of an offense that has been HISTORICALLY AWFUL.
If he’s been such a precision passer making great decisions why does his offense go huge stretches of the game without being able to pick-up 1st downs?
Can you explain that?
His lack of explosive plays in the pass game has also made it far more difficult to run the ball as teams are sticking the box.
And why wouldn’t they? I mean, what defense on the planet is going to fear KP’s average of 186 yards per game with 0.75 TDs?
Which one? What defense is going to worry about a passer if that’s all he’s doing? Not even a full TD per game average.
Those aren’t the numbers of a “precision passers making “great decisions”.
If he was such a precision passer we’d be converting 3rd downs more often rather than LEADING THE LEAGUE IN THREE AND OUTS.
I’m arguing with facts. Facts based on the numbers. They do not lie.
You are arguing with nothing but your feelings.
If we were attorneys stating our case to a jury I’ve won. And won easily.
Juries need facts. You can’t win a case with nothing but your lil feelings on a matter.
The prosecution rest your honor.
I’ve proven you guilty. Now mount your defense with something tangible besides what you think. That can’t be quantified.
And no jury is buying it.
Pretend you’ve gotten into my head if you want. Just more made up nonsense based on nothing.
Now run along kiddo.
Not debating this further. Especially when it’s come down to my facts vs your feelings.
Great job quoting someone else and attributing it to me.
Ummm you are the one arguing it though aren’t you?
You are the one that said my (correct) retort of this “precision passing” nonsense wasn’t correct.
How so?
Besides your feewings??
Now finish breakfast so mommy can get you off to school.
I want the kid to be good. Have been trying to be a fan.
Hard to do at 0.75 TDs per game.
You are the one that said my (correct) retort of this “precision passing” nonsense wasn’t correct.
How so?
Besides your feewings??
Now finish breakfast so mommy can get you off to school.
I want the kid to be good. Have been trying to be a fan.
Hard to do at 0.75 TDs per game.
And ummmm a lemming is a follower dipshit.
I’m not a follower. That is pretty clear and evident.
I’m not a follower. That is pretty clear and evident.
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Because I cited someone doesn’t mean I form my opinion based on their thoughts you idiot.
Have I quoted them? Did I parrot something they said? No. I’ve provided you with my own evidence.
I’ve been around this board and the one before it for a loooong time.
Those who’ve been around long as well know I form my own opinions.
Was simply citing them because they both are level headed and don’t let personal bias against other posters cloud their arguments.
In other words, neutral parties.
I’ve already rested my case. Youv’e not made one besides those feelings of yours.
Now go tell B2B & Perch their opinions on this very matter are full of shit too.
I’ll argue a difference of opinion. Especially if you are going to use some data to support your argument.
Not arguing against some kids feelings. That’s all you’ve brought to the table.
Again, get to class or something. Or whatever it is a lil tike like you does to fill his his day.
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I’ve been around as long as you have. And over the decades I’ve oft disagreed with B2B or Perch. Never had a problem with them. But when you have reading comprehension issues and act like an internet tough guy you get what you deserve.955876 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:31 pmBecause I cited someone doesn’t mean I form my opinion based on their thoughts you idiot.
I’ve been around this board and the one before it for a loooong time.
Those who’ve been around long as well know I form my own opinions.
Was simply citing them because they both are level headed and don’t let personal bias against other posters cloud their arguments.
In other words, neutral parties.
I’ve already rested my case. Youv’e not made one besides those feelings of yours.
Now go tell B2B & Perch their opinions on this very matter are full of shit too.
I’ll argue a difference of opinion. Especially if you are going to use some data to support your argument.
Not arguing against some kids feelings. That’s all you’ve brought to the table.
Again, get to class or something. Or whatever it is a lil tike like you does to fill his his day.
And I’ve disagreed with them too.
Wanna throw out the “lemming” nonsense then back that up. Provide a bunch of post where I’m following anyone around.
And I don’t act like an internet tough guy. What I don’t do is coddle feelings or back down to bitches that want to argue without any facts. That’s you right now.
Don’t like it, too fucking bad. Support your argument with something other than feewings.
You are the one being someone else’s lapdog defending something they said anyways.
Ok. If you are going to defend the words of others back your shit up.
But you can’t. So you argue based on your feelings. Nothing else.
Like I’ve said, you’ve lost this debate because what KP has been putting tape is league worse level. I’m simply commenting on that. Accurately.
Now piss off. If I give you more of my time today you’ll have to pay me.
Wanna throw out the “lemming” nonsense then back that up. Provide a bunch of post where I’m following anyone around.
And I don’t act like an internet tough guy. What I don’t do is coddle feelings or back down to bitches that want to argue without any facts. That’s you right now.
Don’t like it, too fucking bad. Support your argument with something other than feewings.
You are the one being someone else’s lapdog defending something they said anyways.
Ok. If you are going to defend the words of others back your shit up.
But you can’t. So you argue based on your feelings. Nothing else.
Like I’ve said, you’ve lost this debate because what KP has been putting tape is league worse level. I’m simply commenting on that. Accurately.
Now piss off. If I give you more of my time today you’ll have to pay me.
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Lemmings do as lemmings do.955876 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:50 pmAnd I’ve disagreed with them too.
Wanna throw out the “lemming” nonsense then back that up. Provide a bunch of post where I’m following anyone around.
And I don’t act like an internet tough guy. What I don’t do is coddle feelings or back down to bitches that want to argue without any facts. That’s you right now.
Don’t like it, too fucking bad. Support your argument with something other than feewings.
You are the one being someone else’s lapdog defending something they said anyways.
Ok. If you are going to defend the words of others back your shit up.
But you can’t. So you argue based on your feelings. Nothing else.
Like I’ve said, you’ve lost this debate because what KP has been putting tape is league worse level. I’m simply commenting on that. Accurately.
Now piss off. If I give you more of my time today you’ll have to pay me.
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My position for the record, in case those who can read are interested.Smashmouth21 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:23 pmKP8’s story will be written by the end of next year. Stats can be cherry picked both ways. Based on what I see, KP8 can be the guy moving forward so long as he evens out his consistency and starts faster. His early numbers have been hurt both by some bad throws and drops. He certainly has the clutch gene and I’ve seen enough to know he can make the key throws in critical moments. This isn’t a Zach Wilson or Mitch Trubisky just slinging it on a hope and a prayer and throwing multiple awful, backbreaking INTs. Sometimes y’all dig too deep into the numbers and lose the forest for the trees.
But for stat whore and Board Lemming 955876, here are a few facts and stats that he doesn’t know because his daddies B2B and Perch didn’t tell him.
KP8 is clutch. When the game is on the line he rises to the moment more often than not. The time when lesser players shrink and the truly elite shine.
7 game winning drives.
6 fourth quarter comebacks.
Top 5 QB in the fourth quarter.
The potential is clearly there. I’m not crowning KP8 now. But yes the negative narrative is way overboard at this point.
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Kenny as top 5 anything is pushing it at this point lolSmashmouth21 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 5:14 pmMy position for the record, in case those who can read are interested.Smashmouth21 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:23 pmKP8’s story will be written by the end of next year. Stats can be cherry picked both ways. Based on what I see, KP8 can be the guy moving forward so long as he evens out his consistency and starts faster. His early numbers have been hurt both by some bad throws and drops. He certainly has the clutch gene and I’ve seen enough to know he can make the key throws in critical moments. This isn’t a Zach Wilson or Mitch Trubisky just slinging it on a hope and a prayer and throwing multiple awful, backbreaking INTs. Sometimes y’all dig too deep into the numbers and lose the forest for the trees.
But for stat whore and Board Lemming 955876, here are a few facts and stats that he doesn’t know because his daddies B2B and Perch didn’t tell him.
KP8 is clutch. When the game is on the line he rises to the moment more often than not. The time when lesser players shrink and the truly elite shine.
7 game winning drives.
6 fourth quarter comebacks.
Top 5 QB in the fourth quarter.
The potential is clearly there. I’m not crowning KP8 at this point. But yes the negative narrative is way overboard at this point.
We are at the halfway point of his second season. Before this season ends I need to see this AT MINIMUM:
- at least one more division win and not horrible games by him in the other division games
- at least 2 more consecutive wins in a row and no 3 games or more slides consecutively
- right now all his games have been horrible stat wise. I wanna see at least 2 or 3 that at minimum mediocre to average
- finish upbeat. I don’t wanna see horribly bad performances down the stretch
- at least 2 games with 2 TD performances or better
- at least one game where he puts 2 TDs up before the last 10 minutes
- continue to show some gravitas in the 4th
I can live without great stats or even a playoff appearance this year but he HAS TO show me some reasons (with an “s”) to believe he can at least be consistently average going forward.
If I don’t see that by the end of this year, his second year well……
Count me in the camp of we need to start planning on another QB much sooner rather than later
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Board Lemming asked for stats so I gave stats. I agree we all need to see more. But barring an epic disaster to end the season, I’ve seen enough to warrant next season being the make or break. With QBs you need a big enough sample size.SteelerDayTrader wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 5:36 pmKenny as top 5 anything is pushing it at this point lolSmashmouth21 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 5:14 pmMy position for the record, in case those who can read are interested.Smashmouth21 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:23 pmKP8’s story will be written by the end of next year. Stats can be cherry picked both ways. Based on what I see, KP8 can be the guy moving forward so long as he evens out his consistency and starts faster. His early numbers have been hurt both by some bad throws and drops. He certainly has the clutch gene and I’ve seen enough to know he can make the key throws in critical moments. This isn’t a Zach Wilson or Mitch Trubisky just slinging it on a hope and a prayer and throwing multiple awful, backbreaking INTs. Sometimes y’all dig too deep into the numbers and lose the forest for the trees.
But for stat whore and Board Lemming 955876, here are a few facts and stats that he doesn’t know because his daddies B2B and Perch didn’t tell him.
KP8 is clutch. When the game is on the line he rises to the moment more often than not. The time when lesser players shrink and the truly elite shine.
7 game winning drives.
6 fourth quarter comebacks.
Top 5 QB in the fourth quarter.
The potential is clearly there. I’m not crowning KP8 at this point. But yes the negative narrative is way overboard at this point.
We are at the halfway point of his second season. Before this season ends I need to see this AT MINIMUM:
- at least one more division win and not horrible games by him in the other division games
- at least 2 more consecutive wins in a row and no 3 games or more slides consecutively
- right now all his games have been horrible stat wise. I wanna see at least 2 or 3 that at minimum mediocre to average
- finish upbeat. I don’t wanna see horribly bad performances down the stretch
- at least 2 games with 2 TD performances or better
- at least one game where he puts 2 TDs up before the last 10 minutes
- continue to show some gravitas in the 4th
I can live without great stats or even a playoff appearance this year but he HAS TO show me some reasons (with an “s”) to believe he can at least be consistently average going forward.
If I don’t see that by the end of this year, his second year well……
Count me in the camp of we need to start planning on another QB much sooner rather than later
And I haven’t buried him yet either dipshit.
I have expressed concerns over his league worse stats though. Stats that prove he hasn’t been a precision passer which you’ve been trying to defend.
Yes he’s made some great comebacks. Haven’t disputed that.
You are acting like I’m some biased KP hater. I’m not.
I’m also not going to wave Pom poms because he had a few good drives.
Doesn’t change he’s been absolutely awful the rest of games.
Evidenced by the fact we lead the league in three and outs.
We really aren’t saying anything that different.
What happened here is that I disputed the “precision passer” making great decisions argument and you felt compelled to run to his defense.
Nothing you’ve posted about him being clutch in the 4th disputes how awful he’s been the rest of games.
Leads the league in 3 and outs.
And yes, we need to give him more time. Derrr
I have expressed concerns over his league worse stats though. Stats that prove he hasn’t been a precision passer which you’ve been trying to defend.
Yes he’s made some great comebacks. Haven’t disputed that.
You are acting like I’m some biased KP hater. I’m not.
I’m also not going to wave Pom poms because he had a few good drives.
Doesn’t change he’s been absolutely awful the rest of games.
Evidenced by the fact we lead the league in three and outs.
We really aren’t saying anything that different.
What happened here is that I disputed the “precision passer” making great decisions argument and you felt compelled to run to his defense.
Nothing you’ve posted about him being clutch in the 4th disputes how awful he’s been the rest of games.
Leads the league in 3 and outs.
And yes, we need to give him more time. Derrr
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I’m not going to argue endlessly about this but if you go back and re-read my initial post responding to you, I explained exactly what I disagreed with and it wasn’t your precision passing fetish. Glad you are coming back to earth though.955876 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 5:41 pmAnd I haven’t buried him yet either dipshit.
I have expressed concerns over his league worse stats though. Stats that prove he hasn’t been a precision passer which you’ve been trying to defend.
Yes he’s made some great comebacks. Haven’t disputed that.
You are acting like I’m some biased KP hater. I’m not.
I’m also not going to wave Pom poms because he had a few good drives.
Doesn’t change he’s been absolutely awful the rest of games.
Evidenced by the fact we lead the league in three and outs.
We really aren’t saying anything that different.
What happened here is that I disputed the “precision passer” making great decisions argument and you felt compelled to run to his defense.
Nothing you’ve posted about him being clutch in the 4th disputes how awful he’s been the rest of games.
Leads the league in 3 and outs.
And yes, we need to give him more time. Derrr
Time will tell whether it is scheme that is holding KP8 back until there is no choice but to cut it loose or if he just cannot string together consistent play for all four quarters.
I reread your initial response to me.
You disputed facts I pointed out and called it a narrative.
Being 26th in passing while averaging less than 200 yards/game with an extremely meager 0.75 TDs per game isn’t a narrative.
What it is is the reality of what he is putting on tape at present.
And honestly, as much as you and Texas Black & Gold fight over who is going to gobble Jibbs balls first I get you two mixed up.
So yes, I blended things he said about “precision passing” with things you said.
It’s all the same topic though.
As we got deeper into the mud slinging I did forget it wasn’t you who originally said “precision passer”.
So yes, I did get off track in that you didn’t specifically say that. No issues conceding that part at all.
But my points are in no means some “narrative”. Leading the league in three and outs is a reality and it’s based on KP not converting 3rd downs.
Fact.
You disputed facts I pointed out and called it a narrative.
Being 26th in passing while averaging less than 200 yards/game with an extremely meager 0.75 TDs per game isn’t a narrative.
What it is is the reality of what he is putting on tape at present.
And honestly, as much as you and Texas Black & Gold fight over who is going to gobble Jibbs balls first I get you two mixed up.
So yes, I blended things he said about “precision passing” with things you said.
It’s all the same topic though.
As we got deeper into the mud slinging I did forget it wasn’t you who originally said “precision passer”.
So yes, I did get off track in that you didn’t specifically say that. No issues conceding that part at all.
But my points are in no means some “narrative”. Leading the league in three and outs is a reality and it’s based on KP not converting 3rd downs.
Fact.
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Pickett does not compare physically to players like Allen, Mahomes or Lamar. He also has not shown a propensity to try to – as in force plays which would require elite level traits. Excellent decision(s). It may be boring to the majority of fans and pundits, but it has contributed to winning football.
Kenny has missed on some throws, yes, but he has also shown an impressive capacity to be on point for critical plays in the 4th quarter to finish off an opponent. The 32 yard pass to Johnson down the sideline on a 3rd down during the game winning drive last Thursday, very precise. The 31 yard pass to Pickens on a 3rd down of the final possession in the Rams game, another precise dart. Some of the passes he made in the comeback at Baltimore (Wk. 17) last season, maybe some luck involved, but they sure hit the bullseye.
In terms of narrative, there are not too many QBs who have had sustained success under the concept of excellent decision and precision passing only. In other words, players who rarely produced gaudy stat lines. I am looking at Troy Aikman and conceivably Tom Brady his first two championships. KP does not have the elite running game at this stage which significantly helped Aikman, but he is looking seasoned in the other elements for success under that narrative.
Pickett does not compare physically to players like Allen, Mahomes or Lamar. He also has not shown a propensity to try to – as in force plays which would require elite level traits. Excellent decision(s). It may be boring to the majority of fans and pundits, but it has contributed to winning football.
Kenny has missed on some throws, yes, but he has also shown an impressive capacity to be on point for critical plays in the 4th quarter to finish off an opponent. The 32 yard pass to Johnson down the sideline on a 3rd down during the game winning drive last Thursday, very precise. The 31 yard pass to Pickens on a 3rd down of the final possession in the Rams game, another precise dart. Some of the passes he made in the comeback at Baltimore (Wk. 17) last season, maybe some luck involved, but they sure hit the bullseye.
In terms of narrative, there are not too many QBs who have had sustained success under the concept of excellent decision and precision passing only. In other words, players who rarely produced gaudy stat lines. I am looking at Troy Aikman and conceivably Tom Brady his first two championships. KP does not have the elite running game at this stage which significantly helped Aikman, but he is looking seasoned in the other elements for success under that narrative.
You say those things as if I’m some sort of biased KP hater. I’m not.
Issue at hand is anytime anyone is (rightfully) critical of the guy people get their panties in a bunch and start their menstrual cycle.
It’s actually ok to call a spade a spade and right now (aside from some decent 4th quarters) he’s been pretty wretched.
I’m also not blaming it all on him but he is the QB and as a result an offense will only go as far as the QB takes them.
We struggle to run because he is scaring nobody right now with his arm.
And after we get forced into yet another 3rd down he has failed to convert. Evidenced by leading the league in three and outs.
I hope he gets better. Otherwise it’ll set this franchise back for years.
So for all of our sake I’m pulling for him.
Doesn’t mean I’m going to blow sunshine and roses and pretend he is something he’s not.
Nonsense like “he’s a precision passer”.
Really? He is? His yards, completion %, QB rating, failure on third downs, and lack of TDs say otherwise.
I don’t think anyone really needs to be told or explained to what Kenny is right now. It’s perfectly evident by simply watching what’s he’s putting on tape.
And it isn’t very good.
I do genuinely hope he improves.
Thanks for the thoughts.
Issue at hand is anytime anyone is (rightfully) critical of the guy people get their panties in a bunch and start their menstrual cycle.
It’s actually ok to call a spade a spade and right now (aside from some decent 4th quarters) he’s been pretty wretched.
I’m also not blaming it all on him but he is the QB and as a result an offense will only go as far as the QB takes them.
We struggle to run because he is scaring nobody right now with his arm.
And after we get forced into yet another 3rd down he has failed to convert. Evidenced by leading the league in three and outs.
I hope he gets better. Otherwise it’ll set this franchise back for years.
So for all of our sake I’m pulling for him.
Doesn’t mean I’m going to blow sunshine and roses and pretend he is something he’s not.
Nonsense like “he’s a precision passer”.
Really? He is? His yards, completion %, QB rating, failure on third downs, and lack of TDs say otherwise.
I don’t think anyone really needs to be told or explained to what Kenny is right now. It’s perfectly evident by simply watching what’s he’s putting on tape.
And it isn’t very good.
I do genuinely hope he improves.
Thanks for the thoughts.
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Those things were said to bring light to the success Pickett has had. I am willing to be objective, but that chorus line already has plenty of participants.
Football challenges athletes to overcome adversity. KP is at least fighting that battle to a draw right now, even if it is not always aesthetically satifying to the massess.
Rookie quarterbacks, more times than not, do not perform well out of the wrapper. Pickett did last season, and has continued to do better than the majority of young QBs historically in the most important category - wins.
For all the faults people are pointing out, he must have done more than a few things right to have contributed the value he has.
People will continue to point out his mistakes while he and the rest of the offense gain more experience. But, if he continues to succeed in the most important thing, then at some point folks will want to assess how that might be replicated.
His story is not completely written yet. I am here pointing out some of the things he has done well. Do not mind being in the minority on that.
Football challenges athletes to overcome adversity. KP is at least fighting that battle to a draw right now, even if it is not always aesthetically satifying to the massess.
Rookie quarterbacks, more times than not, do not perform well out of the wrapper. Pickett did last season, and has continued to do better than the majority of young QBs historically in the most important category - wins.
For all the faults people are pointing out, he must have done more than a few things right to have contributed the value he has.
People will continue to point out his mistakes while he and the rest of the offense gain more experience. But, if he continues to succeed in the most important thing, then at some point folks will want to assess how that might be replicated.
His story is not completely written yet. I am here pointing out some of the things he has done well. Do not mind being in the minority on that.
Winning is a team effort. Duck Hodges won games for this team.
We have a better record then the Texans. Does that mean Pickett is playing better than Stroud? Hardly.
At the end of the day, KP has been underwhelming for being a 1st rounder. Especially in todays NFL.
Now I’m willing to place some of that blame on the offensively challenged team he landed on.
I certainly hope he gets better because he appears to be a hard worker and a good guy.
We have a better record then the Texans. Does that mean Pickett is playing better than Stroud? Hardly.
At the end of the day, KP has been underwhelming for being a 1st rounder. Especially in todays NFL.
Now I’m willing to place some of that blame on the offensively challenged team he landed on.
I certainly hope he gets better because he appears to be a hard worker and a good guy.
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Stroud has looked awesome.
The Texans may have finally got themselves out of QB purgatory for not having taken Vince Young back in the day while it was still a developing franchise and in need of a QB.
They call themselves the Houston Texans. There was a kid from Houston, who won a National Championship for the University of Texas. And they drafted Mario Williams. That has to rank right up next to the standard for failure.
But yes, Pickett has shown toughness that is becoming of a Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback. He does have that on his side, as well.
The Texans may have finally got themselves out of QB purgatory for not having taken Vince Young back in the day while it was still a developing franchise and in need of a QB.
They call themselves the Houston Texans. There was a kid from Houston, who won a National Championship for the University of Texas. And they drafted Mario Williams. That has to rank right up next to the standard for failure.
But yes, Pickett has shown toughness that is becoming of a Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback. He does have that on his side, as well.
I do agree with that.But yes, Pickett has shown toughness that is becoming of a Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback. He does have that on his side, as well.
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The running game could still stand to improve. Entering Week 10 it ranked 28th overall in total yards (724) and near the bottom overall in yards per carry (3.7). It did account for 166 yards last week, though.
Keep the rushing attack on track, continue not turning the ball over and making clutch passes when necessary, then let the Steelers defense handle the rest. That has the makings of a playoff caliber type of Pittsburgh team.
Keep the rushing attack on track, continue not turning the ball over and making clutch passes when necessary, then let the Steelers defense handle the rest. That has the makings of a playoff caliber type of Pittsburgh team.
Blah blah blah twist around what I am saying. I love Steelers wins, Tex. Even the ones I suffer through. No one here hates a Steelers victory. What we hate is NO playoff wins since 2016. Are you okay with that?Texas Black & Gold wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:50 amThere's nothing wrong with cheering for the Steelers and being happy for every win they get. You can be upset, frustrated and angry all you want each time they win. I prefer to be happy and optimistic as the season progresses.
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