Wow. Steelers fired Canada

[Jizz Mop]

Where did I say “it’s the problem?”

You said Austin is doing a good job.

I disagree.

And the last two QBs we faced are awesome right?

How about what Purdy and Stroud did to this defense?

Now who’s cherry picking?

You referenced us giving up 13 and 19 points did you not?

To Love and a rookie scrub

My point is good QB’s are another story

No cherry picking

[Smashmouth21]

Where did I say “it’s the problem?”

You said Austin is doing a good job.

I disagree.

And the last two QBs we faced are awesome right?

How about what Purdy and Stroud did to this defense?

Now who’s cherry picking?

You referenced us giving up 13 and 19 points did you not?

To Love and a rookie scrub

My point is good QB’s are another story

No cherry picking

No you mentioned those games for some odd reason. Then you cherry picked the above, while conveniently omitting the whopping 10 points put up by Lamar and the slightly better 17 from Stafford, right?

[Jizz Mop]

10 to Lamar is great

Can’t argue there

[Smashmouth21]

10 to Lamar is great

Can’t argue there

And BTW I don’t think the defense is amazing. Good is a far cry from abysmal, which is sadly where the offense lies at the moment.

[Gonzo]

Havent done this since in 1941 but IMO it is the same old same old again
Tomlin isnt getting fired and he will be extended if he wants -- I hate it but he aint going anywhere until he wants to leave or he strings together a few losing seasons. Although if he sticks with Kenny that could happen. They are in a death spiral together -- Kenny will kill a HC but with this HC Kenny will never have a chance to not stink.

A new OC wont make a speck of difference IMO. They will do what they do with a new OC -- this is ass-covering firing. They will look for an OC who can work the Plan Better ... control clock, keep it close, rely on the D ... The thing that does not exist now that did with Bem is an OC/QB that can bail the whole ball of shit out with end of game wins.

No OC can succeed in this system without a top-line QB .... and a top-line QB that is content to not do shit until the 4Q.

Rinse and repeat -- they will hire a new OC and nothing will change. Only hope we all have is contrary to our rooting interests ... that Faulkner fails miserably and they have a losing season

[ToddHaleysNineIron]

Havent done this since in 1941 but IMO it is the same old same old again
Tomlin isnt getting fired and he will be extended if he wants -- I hate it but he aint going anywhere until he wants to leave or he strings together a few losing seasons. Although if he sticks with Kenny that could happen. They are in a death spiral together -- Kenny will kill a HC but with this HC Kenny will never have a chance to not stink.

A new OC wont make a speck of difference IMO. They will do what they do with a new OC -- this is ass-covering firing. They will look for an OC who can work the Plan Better ... control clock, keep it close, rely on the D ... The thing that does not exist now that did with Bem is an OC/QB that can bail the whole ball of shit out with end of game wins.

No OC can succeed in this system without a top-line QB .... and a top-line QB that is content to not do shit until the 4Q.

Rinse and repeat -- they will hire a new OC and nothing will change. Only hope we all have is contrary to our rooting interests ... that Faulkner fails miserably and they have a losing season

Well lets think it through...

The "steeler way" is to not fire someone mid season.
Canada is Tomlin's favor, hand picked, a thank you for recruiting his son... this was not his "decision".

For a team to fire an offensive coordinator half way through the season is a statement, to Tomlin.. It's a major shot across the bow... don't get me wrong, Tomlin is safe, he will coach as long as he wants... but this is a "this is not a blank check, and you are not a king" type of message.

Canada was out of his depth, and those around the organization knew it... this is a stain on Tomlin that he was ever given the reigns... and a problem has been fixed... sure at "Steeler Speed" but still it's been fixed. I hope this is a turn toward more team management that involves less Tomlin.

[Rod & Wire Mill]

With the same idiot cool shades in charge, noting will change... Enjoy shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic!

Actually, this could be the lifting of the shades!

[DP39]

... and then was installed as offensive coordinator of the Steelers because he recurited Mike Tomlin's kid at Maryland.

... but he's Tomlin's guy. To me, this tells me someone doesn't want Tomlin to have the control he once enjoyed.

Truer words....

SOME folks here just want to gloss right over this.

[RemoAZ]

Ryan Clark is happy
https://twitter.com/Steelersdepot/statu ... 6815844688

[CKSteeler]

... and then was installed as offensive coordinator of the Steelers because he recurited Mike Tomlin's kid at Maryland.

... but he's Tomlin's guy. To me, this tells me someone doesn't want Tomlin to have the control he once enjoyed.

Truer words....

SOME folks here just want to gloss right over this.

The same report that says Mike Tomlin didn't make the decision also says that Mike Tomlin didn't decide to hire Canada.

None of us knows what's going on, but I don't trust anything Dulac says.

[RemoAZ]

... and then was installed as offensive coordinator of the Steelers because he recurited Mike Tomlin's kid at Maryland.

... but he's Tomlin's guy. To me, this tells me someone doesn't want Tomlin to have the control he once enjoyed.

Truer words....

SOME folks here just want to gloss right over this.

The same report that says Mike Tomlin didn't make the decision also says that Mike Tomlin didn't decide to hire Canada.

None of us knows what's going on, but I don't trust anything Dulac says.

Remember when he hired Flores he said he went down the hall and asked Rooney? One way or another it sounds like Rooney is always involved. I guess we just don't know to what extent. Like today, he might have walked into Tomlin's office and said, hey we need to do something about this. Tomlin says yeah we should probably fires Canada knowing that's where Rooney is going to go anyway and bam, Tomlin's decision.

[Texas Steel]

Well...we'll probably never know, because Tomlin isn't going anywhere.

But....yeah, I see your point. If Tomlin were on the open market, a sure-fire Hall of Fame coach who is widely respected around the league. A super Bowl winning coach....the Bears would be like; "Yeah fuck him, we're sticking with Matt Eberflus."

Not even sure I spelled his name right.

I think you and that guy “Smashmouth” are overstating the hordes of NFL franchises that would be lining up to get a piece of Tomlinball, which is a real thing. I think it’s reasonable that he’d be hired. I don’t think it’s as universal as you believe.

I mean......I have no words. If you think Tomlin would be out of a job and wouldn't be snatched up by another franchise IMMEDIATELY, you're living in a fantasyland.

It's really as simple as that.

I dunno, "Great Coach" Ditka was an announcer for 5 years after the Bears before the Saints dragged him back.

[ToddHaleysNineIron]

Tomlin is the face of the franchise… it’s not the rooney family anymore, that’s why he won’t ever be fired and why “it’s his decision” even when we know it’s not. It’s a PR game, and to be honest… Tomlin is good at that outside the belts of pittsburgh.

[CKSteeler]

I'm as anti-Tomlin as they come, but I'm pretty sure he'd find work again. He'd fall flat on his face trying to build his own culture in a bad franchise, though. It'd be Jeff Fischer 2.0.

The only thing that gives me pause is that for as much lip service as people give to respecting Tomlin nationally and across the league, no one wants to touch anyone on his coaching staff for anything. A few assistants he's canned have latched on elsewhere, but the complete lack of coaching tree after a decade and a half is startling.

There hasn't been a single other franchise who has tried to emulate whatever it is that Mike Tomlin does here in Pittsburgh. That says something to me.

But I do think that he'd get another job in short order.

[stillthere]

Anyone watch “Bye Bye Barry” on Amazon Prime? Barry Sanders biopic…some decent correlations about talent being wasted with poor coaching and front office decisions. Highly recommend…best pure running back in the history of the NFL. Jim Brown is there too obviously, but so many scenarios where you pick Sanders over Brown for production!

I hung out with Wayne Fontes at Hula Bowl practices in 88 or 89. I also met George Perles there.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Anyone watch “Bye Bye Barry” on Amazon Prime? Barry Sanders biopic…some decent correlations about talent being wasted with poor coaching and front office decisions. Highly recommend…best pure running back in the history of the NFL. Jim Brown is there too obviously, but so many scenarios where you pick Sanders over Brown for production!

I hung out with Wayne Fontes at Hula Bowl practices in 88 or 89. I also met George Perles there.

[K_C_]

I think you and that guy “Smashmouth” are overstating the hordes of NFL franchises that would be lining up to get a piece of Tomlinball, which is a real thing. I think it’s reasonable that he’d be hired. I don’t think it’s as universal as you believe.

I mean......I have no words. If you think Tomlin would be out of a job and wouldn't be snatched up by another franchise IMMEDIATELY, you're living in a fantasyland.

It's really as simple as that.

I dunno, "Great Coach" Ditka was an announcer for 5 years after the Bears before the Saints dragged him back.

Ditka had 3 losing seasons in Chicago. His final season as Bears coach, Ditka went 5-11.

Had a 6-10 season just a few years before that.

But Ditka was fired in Chicago most importantly, because of the way he handled the media (while his press conferences were funny as fuck, he was always confrontational and Bears ownership told Ditka to calm his tits....and he didn't) AND because he had a shouting match on the field with QB Jim Harbaugh.

That's when pretty much everybody knew it was time for Ditka to go.

It was sort of a Bob Knight situation. Ditka was not only losing his team, he was LOSING IT, PERIOD.

Tomlin might have a few upset players but he hasn't lost his team, he fired the OC so he has a fall guy and.....wait for it.....he'll probably end up with a pretty good record again, like 10-7.

Tomlin would have so many job offers it would be ridiculous.

I DO love exploring a trade for cool shades though.

[Texas Steel]

I mean......I have no words. If you think Tomlin would be out of a job and wouldn't be snatched up by another franchise IMMEDIATELY, you're living in a fantasyland.

It's really as simple as that.

I dunno, "Great Coach" Ditka was an announcer for 5 years after the Bears before the Saints dragged him back.

Ditka had 3 losing seasons in Chicago. His final season as Bears coach, Ditka went 5-11.

Had a 6-10 season just a few years before that.

But Ditka was fired in Chicago most importantly, because of the way he handled the media (while his press conferences were funny as fuck, he was always confrontational and Bears ownership told Ditka to calm his tits....and he didn't) AND because he had a shouting match on the field with QB Jim Harbaugh.

That's when pretty much everybody knew it was time for Ditka to go.

It was sort of a Bob Knight situation. Ditka was not only losing his team, he was LOSING IT, PERIOD.

Tomlin might have a few upset players but he hasn't lost his team, he fired the OC so he has a fall guy and.....wait for it.....he'll probably end up with a pretty good record again, like 10-7.

Tomlin would have so many job offers it would be ridiculous.

I DO love exploring a trade for cool shades though.

All that is true, there was a lot more to DItka than just coaching. But as bad as his other qualities were, someone was desperate enough to hire him again. Tomlin for all the positive spin he puts on things, doesn't really SAY much. If 'milquetoast' were a coach, it would be Tomlin.

[Steelafan77]

I agree with an earlier post stating the Wrong coach was Fired…. But I digress!

Who is on the list as a Viable proven coaching candidate?

Of course in Steeler tradition they’ll likely look in house first.

I believe they’ll be best served by looking outside the traditions of mediocrity by scouring the Entire NFL for a true offense minded coach.

I’ve already seen names,

NFL: Jay Gruden, Byron Leftwich, Darrell Bevell, Frank Reich, Anthony Lynn, Mark Whipple, Mike McDaniel, Pep Hamilton, Joe Bleymaier, Jerrod Johnson, Klint Kubiak, Joe Brady, Brian Johnson, Kevin Patullo, Rob Calabrese, Bobby Slowik, Matt Nagy. College: Garrett Riley, Phil Longo, Ryan Grubb, Mike Bobo quite the list.

[DP39]

... and then was installed as offensive coordinator of the Steelers because he recurited Mike Tomlin's kid at Maryland.

... but he's Tomlin's guy. To me, this tells me someone doesn't want Tomlin to have the control he once enjoyed.

Truer words....

SOME folks here just want to gloss right over this.

The same report that says Mike Tomlin didn't make the decision also says that Mike Tomlin didn't decide to hire Canada.

None of us knows what's going on, but I don't trust anything Dulac says.

I don't listen to "reports/mouthpieces" much, but I do look deeply into folks history and the actual connections between people. If folks don't know Tomlin and Canada's real history that's on them.

If one digs deep enough, the logical "real" answer/info is there -- the rest is just a waist of time, imo. It's kinda like that saying that applies to almost everything...."you know, just follow the money!"

[K_C_]

I dunno, "Great Coach" Ditka was an announcer for 5 years after the Bears before the Saints dragged him back.

Ditka had 3 losing seasons in Chicago. His final season as Bears coach, Ditka went 5-11.

Had a 6-10 season just a few years before that.

But Ditka was fired in Chicago most importantly, because of the way he handled the media (while his press conferences were funny as fuck, he was always confrontational and Bears ownership told Ditka to calm his tits....and he didn't) AND because he had a shouting match on the field with QB Jim Harbaugh.

That's when pretty much everybody knew it was time for Ditka to go.

It was sort of a Bob Knight situation. Ditka was not only losing his team, he was LOSING IT, PERIOD.

Tomlin might have a few upset players but he hasn't lost his team, he fired the OC so he has a fall guy and.....wait for it.....he'll probably end up with a pretty good record again, like 10-7.

Tomlin would have so many job offers it would be ridiculous.

I DO love exploring a trade for cool shades though.

All that is true, there was a lot more to DItka than just coaching. But as bad as his other qualities were, someone was desperate enough to hire him again. Tomlin for all the positive spin he puts on things, doesn't really SAY much. If 'milquetoast' were a coach, it would be Tomlin.

If Tomlin once again finishes 10-7 or better, he will not be fired by the Steelers.

No way, no how.

If I'm wrong and he was fired, he would have a job within weeks.

Again, Ditka had negatives besides his losing records late in his Bears career.

Tomlin doesn't have any of those non-football negatives that Ditka had. None of them.

Tomlin doesn't have any losing seasons like Ditka had and probably won't have one this year.

I cannot believe anybody thinks he'd be out of a job for very long.

[955876]

Who really even cares how long he’d be out of a job or how quickly some dumb team would snatch him up???

Let’s just hope we can find out before the decade is over.

[Jobu]

Who really even cares how long he’d be out of a job or how quickly some dumb team would snatch him up???

Let’s just hope we can find out before the decade is over.

I’m sure he wouldn’t be out of a job for long. The real question is, how long before his new employer finds out what a fraud he is and cans his ass? I’d set the over/under at 2.5 years.

[stillthere]

What if i was a long con? Pickett won just enough games to keep the heat off him and then held back the O just enough to get Canada ousted. Now we can unleash hell.

[955876]

The real question is, how long before his new employer finds out what a fraud he is and cans his ass?

That’ll be fun to watch.

[955876]

I doubt he goes to another team though seriously.

He will ride the coaching thing until a time it suits him to bolt and he will.

Be a TV gig or something but I don’t think he’d want to go to a new team where he’d be expected to deliver immediate results.

He knows he hasn’t won shit since it’s been his team. He goes to another team he is 0-0 with no SB win to at least fall back on.

He’s too smart to tarnish that AND have to deliver.

He will go to a cush job somewhere he can do what he does best, and that’s peddle his well developed line of bullshit.

They’ll love him on TV. Will come off as the smartest guy in the room and look good doing it.

[stillthere]

No doubt. Sometimes the hate just blinds you.

I wouldn’t be so sure about that. Maybe in 2010-2013, but I think a lot of really intelligent coaches and owners see him differently.

You can respect what a guy has achieved and understand it was successful for a moment in time, but that doesn’t mean he’s the answer for a franchise going forward. Not in the modern NFL. I think you are looking at it too simplistically.

No. No. Definitely no. Just watch how Bill Belichick plays out.

Bill is like 80 Tomlin is like 50.

[955876]

And Bill has a shit load of rings. Comparing the two is silly.

If a Jibbs had more hardware we wouldn’t be complaining about him.

But that isn’t him. He has specialized in 1 and done.

Or none at all.

His deep runs were accomplished with Cowher’s players and coaches.

[SteelerDayTrader]

I dunno, "Great Coach" Ditka was an announcer for 5 years after the Bears before the Saints dragged him back.

Ditka had 3 losing seasons in Chicago. His final season as Bears coach, Ditka went 5-11.

Had a 6-10 season just a few years before that.

But Ditka was fired in Chicago most importantly, because of the way he handled the media (while his press conferences were funny as fuck, he was always confrontational and Bears ownership told Ditka to calm his tits....and he didn't) AND because he had a shouting match on the field with QB Jim Harbaugh.

That's when pretty much everybody knew it was time for Ditka to go.

It was sort of a Bob Knight situation. Ditka was not only losing his team, he was LOSING IT, PERIOD.

Tomlin might have a few upset players but he hasn't lost his team, he fired the OC so he has a fall guy and.....wait for it.....he'll probably end up with a pretty good record again, like 10-7.

Tomlin would have so many job offers it would be ridiculous.

I DO love exploring a trade for cool shades though.

All that is true, there was a lot more to DItka than just coaching. But as bad as his other qualities were, someone was desperate enough to hire him again. Tomlin for all the positive spin he puts on things, doesn't really SAY much. If 'milquetoast' were a coach, it would be Tomlin.

And that’s ^^^^^ what most of the morons here don’t understand

Tomlin does his main job here as well as anyone in the NFL

[anpsteel]

Truer words....

SOME folks here just want to gloss right over this.

The same report that says Mike Tomlin didn't make the decision also says that Mike Tomlin didn't decide to hire Canada.

None of us knows what's going on, but I don't trust anything Dulac says.

Remember when he hired Flores he said he went down the hall and asked Rooney? One way or another it sounds like Rooney is always involved. I guess we just don't know to what extent. Like today, he might have walked into Tomlin's office and said, hey we need to do something about this. Tomlin says yeah we should probably fires Canada knowing that's where Rooney is going to go anyway and bam, Tomlin's decision.

Rooney, has in the past indicated he has to sign off on any/all coordinator decisions, and possibly all coaching decisions in general.

So Mike may have made the decision, but he had to go to Art to sign off.

Of course, its entirely possible Art initiated the move and Tomlin is covering it, for sake of appearances in the locker room.