KP8 Crow

[alancac98]

I wonder if Kenny realizes how bad he screwed himself. Wilson is on a 1 year deal and may not be here next year. If he sits, practices, and learns, he may have a second opportunity. Instead, he asked to leave and ended up going to the Eagles where he will forever sit behind Hurts. He screwed his chance to be a starter again as there is no way he ever beats Hurts out.

[Gonzo]

I am glad Kenny is gone. I didn’t like the pick - most everyone knew they reached and still mad at colbert for this pretty obviously poor pick.

kenny wasn’t a first round QB - he was later round guy that might make a good backup with some learning.

to an extent he got screwed though - as he wasn’t a first rounder, wasn’t a franchise Qb and never could be. and it is unarguable that the matt canada mike tomlin cabal was a disaster and may have been one of the worst offensive schemes we have ever scene.

kenny was screwed from the jump. but his shit fit was soft and BS … maybe he started the believe the BS that he was good enough

he is a back up QB at best - maybe he will find a career now.

[W&M_Steeler]

Well, I sure hope you pull it together!!

I know you can do it!! I believe in you!!

Ha I knew you’d try to comeback with this predictable response. Maybe you should reconsider your wisdom after being wrong for about the billionth team in a row.

Pssssst….we didn’t contend for shit the last decade of Ben Roethlisberger’s career. Rudolph failed, Trubisky failed,
Pickett failed and yes, Ben failed once Cowher’s players hit the pavement.

What are you talking about? Ben failed in the sense that he didn't win another Super Bowl, but he was still a top-5 QB for the 2010s and managed to make an AFCC game in 2016 long after Cowher's offensive players were gone.

There is no comparison between Ben and KP. Ben in his over-the-hill, washed-up 2021 season was better than Ken ever was, and Ben likely accomplished more in 2021 than KP will ever accomplish.

[K_C_]

Ha I knew you’d try to comeback with this predictable response. Maybe you should reconsider your wisdom after being wrong for about the billionth team in a row.

Pssssst….we didn’t contend for shit the last decade of Ben Roethlisberger’s career. Rudolph failed, Trubisky failed,
Pickett failed and yes, Ben failed once Cowher’s players hit the pavement.

What are you talking about? Ben failed in the sense that he didn't win another Super Bowl, but he was still a top-5 QB for the 2010s and managed to make an AFCC game in 2016 long after Cowher's offensive players were gone.

There is no comparison between Ben and KP. Ben in his over-the-hill, washed-up 2021 season was better than Ken ever was, and Ben likely accomplished more in 2021 than KP will ever accomplish.

Ben went 9-7-1 (with the Rudolph Detroit tie) in 2021 and Trubisky/Pickett went 9-8 the very next year (during Ben’s final year Watt tied the all time sack record. He missed half a season Pickett’s rookie year.)

The last decade of Ben’s career we had losses in the postseason to Tim Tebow, Blake Bortles, Baker Mayfield and should have lost to AJ McCarron.

Ben is a Hall of Famer despite playing for Mike Tomlin and never really came close to winning a ring after Cowher’s players and influence left.

I’m disappointed in Pickett’s diva attitude after he was benched last year and after the Wilson signing but getting out of Pittsburgh and away from Tomlin might end up saving his career.

[W&M_Steeler]

Pssssst….we didn’t contend for shit the last decade of Ben Roethlisberger’s career. Rudolph failed, Trubisky failed,
Pickett failed and yes, Ben failed once Cowher’s players hit the pavement.

What are you talking about? Ben failed in the sense that he didn't win another Super Bowl, but he was still a top-5 QB for the 2010s and managed to make an AFCC game in 2016 long after Cowher's offensive players were gone.

There is no comparison between Ben and KP. Ben in his over-the-hill, washed-up 2021 season was better than Ken ever was, and Ben likely accomplished more in 2021 than KP will ever accomplish.

Ben went 9-7-1 (with the Rudolph Detroit tie) in 2021 and Trubisky/Pickett went 9-8 the very next year (during Ben’s final year Watt tied the all time sack record. He missed half a season Pickett’s rookie year.)

Ben's stats in 2021 (16 games) were: 3740 yards 22 TDS 10 INT 64.5% Completion Rate, 6.2 Yards/Attempt 86.8 QB Rating
Not great, but he was a shell of himself physically .
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... etBe00.htm

KP's career stats are worse overall, even the counting stats for the most part (despite Kenny having 9 more games to accumulate them)
4474 yards, 13TDs, 13 Ints, 62.6% Completion Rate 6.3 Yards/Attempt 78.8 QB Rating
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... ckKe00.htm

I agree with you that ultimately Tomlin is the most responsible for the Steelers post-season failures over the past 10+ years, but I totally disagree with the insinuation that Ben and KP are remotely comparable, particularly pre-injury 2010s Ben.

KP can't find the endzone. He's clueless in the pocket. He is a slow processor. He's not super accurate. Those things probably aren't going to improve no matter where he goes. KP is what he is- a career back-up who can win some games if called upon but isn't a franchise starter. Nothing wrong with that, I just wish he would have been drafted in the 5th instead of the 1st.

[Jtf]

Hey man…I’ve already eaten that shit sandwich in this thread. I unlike a few on this site…can admit when I was wrong. You won’t find me dying on a hill over a lost cause. But for the record…it was also his late season games in 22 that also sparked my interest. Lots of long sustained drives for wins. Then the fluff pieces of how he’s put so much work in the offseason…i will admit I was encouraged by preseason but mostly because of what I saw towards the end of 2022. Fuck KP8 and the whole fucking offense. Lol

I said at the time and continued to beat the drum during the offseason: those late season games were one step above preseason. Beaten down teams. Tanking. Injured. QBs missing. Teams limping home.

And it's also telling that KP didn't deliver any of that while they were in contention. It was only when the pressure was off at 2-6 and they were playing with house money that he led some rallies.

Will Levis' 3 wins last season were against....wait for it.....Carolina, Atlanta and a Miami team that is always a pile of dogshit at the end of the season and always will be as long as Tua is there.

Quite the murderer’s row when it comes to his wins last year.

Tua and will Levi’s are 10 times the qb Kenny Pickett is. I really don’t understand your metrics for judging qbs. Pickett is awful. Was only good one year in college when he was like 24 playing against 20 year olds. Doesn’t throw over the middle ever. Accuracy is very inconsistent
What do you like about him? What were his strengths? He never throw with anticipation at all. Ever. Pickett will prob be out of league in three years. Now we are finding out he isn’t a team guy. Which makes it harder to defend him. But you still are defending him and saying other guys are so terrible. When in reality Pickett is the terrible player.


Are you a Pitt fan? That would explain the loyalty to him. But I would take the loss. It just has not worked out for Pickett or you with Pickett .

Steelers were a little unlucky with Canada. Brian Flores before he went with two coordinators in 2021 was turned down by matt Canada.
That’s a little known fact that many people don’t know. Maybe if Canada wasn’t here and got that other job. It might have been different. But sometimes players have to show enough to overcome coaching.

I do not think wilson will be anything great though . Will be average and this prob will be not he be good for Steelers. AFC is too good. That is the basic problem.

Personally I think they should have brought back mason.

[Jtf]

Pssssst….we didn’t contend for shit the last decade of Ben Roethlisberger’s career. Rudolph failed, Trubisky failed,
Pickett failed and yes, Ben failed once Cowher’s players hit the pavement.

What are you talking about? Ben failed in the sense that he didn't win another Super Bowl, but he was still a top-5 QB for the 2010s and managed to make an AFCC game in 2016 long after Cowher's offensive players were gone.

There is no comparison between Ben and KP. Ben in his over-the-hill, washed-up 2021 season was better than Ken ever was, and Ben likely accomplished more in 2021 than KP will ever accomplish.

Ben went 9-7-1 (with the Rudolph Detroit tie) in 2021 and Trubisky/Pickett went 9-8 the very next year (during Ben’s final year Watt tied the all time sack record. He missed half a season Pickett’s rookie year.)

The last decade of Ben’s career we had losses in the postseason to Tim Tebow, Blake Bortles, Baker Mayfield and should have lost to AJ McCarron.

Ben is a Hall of Famer despite playing for Mike Tomlin and never really came close to winning a ring after Cowher’s players and influence left.

I’m disappointed in Pickett’s diva attitude after he was benched last year and after the Wilson signing but getting out of Pittsburgh and away from Tomlin might end up saving his career.

Picket most likely can have career like Blaine Gabert and stay in league if he can find system to hide all his warts. But man it’s a long shot. Have you ever watched all 22 of all the open guys he would miss? He was not able to process the game fast like qbs need. It was comical.

[.Kodiak]

Have you ever watched all 22 of all the open guys he would miss? He was not able to process the game fast like qbs need. It was comical.

Yeah but the guys open in the middle of the field are just window dressing - our QBs aren't supposed to throw there.

[K_C_]

What are you talking about? Ben failed in the sense that he didn't win another Super Bowl, but he was still a top-5 QB for the 2010s and managed to make an AFCC game in 2016 long after Cowher's offensive players were gone.

There is no comparison between Ben and KP. Ben in his over-the-hill, washed-up 2021 season was better than Ken ever was, and Ben likely accomplished more in 2021 than KP will ever accomplish.

Ben went 9-7-1 (with the Rudolph Detroit tie) in 2021 and Trubisky/Pickett went 9-8 the very next year (during Ben’s final year Watt tied the all time sack record. He missed half a season Pickett’s rookie year.)

Ben's stats in 2021 (16 games) were: 3740 yards 22 TDS 10 INT 64.5% Completion Rate, 6.2 Yards/Attempt 86.8 QB Rating
Not great, but he was a shell of himself physically .
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... etBe00.htm

KP's career stats are worse overall, even the counting stats for the most part (despite Kenny having 9 more games to accumulate them)
4474 yards, 13TDs, 13 Ints, 62.6% Completion Rate 6.3 Yards/Attempt 78.8 QB Rating
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... ckKe00.htm

I agree with you that ultimately Tomlin is the most responsible for the Steelers post-season failures over the past 10+ years, but I totally disagree with the insinuation that Ben and KP are remotely comparable, particularly pre-injury 2010s Ben.

KP can't find the endzone. He's clueless in the pocket. He is a slow processor. He's not super accurate. Those things probably aren't going to improve no matter where he goes. KP is what he is- a career back-up who can win some games if called upon but isn't a franchise starter. Nothing wrong with that, I just wish he would have been drafted in the 5th instead of the 1st.

Ben hated playing in Canada’s offense his final year and said so. Also had Watt as a wrecking ball literally winning games in 2021. Sure, granted Ben was at the end of his career but Pickett had Canada and Tomlin all of year one and most of year two. Year one was very promising but you could see Tomlin neutered any attacking instincts in Pickett. I was disappointed in Pickett’s year two showing also, but I’m at the point where I now believe it is going to take a superhuman talent of a QB to win big despite being in Mike Tomlin’s ultra conservative offense.

Pickett deserved to be traded because of his attitude and behavior after being benched and after the Wilson signing. I’m shocked a guy that hadn’t really accomplished anything would show attitude when being challenged.

That said, if a coordinator can get Pickett’s confidence back, he still has a chance to be a quality QB in the NFL. Sad that as soon as the guy gets an NFL level OC, he gets shipped out of town for being a dickhead.

[K_C_]

I said at the time and continued to beat the drum during the offseason: those late season games were one step above preseason. Beaten down teams. Tanking. Injured. QBs missing. Teams limping home.

And it's also telling that KP didn't deliver any of that while they were in contention. It was only when the pressure was off at 2-6 and they were playing with house money that he led some rallies.

Will Levis' 3 wins last season were against....wait for it.....Carolina, Atlanta and a Miami team that is always a pile of dogshit at the end of the season and always will be as long as Tua is there.

Quite the murderer’s row when it comes to his wins last year.

Tua and will Levi’s are 10 times the qb Kenny Pickett is.

I stopped reading right here.

Tua is headed into year 5. 1 playoff appearance and played about as bad as a human could possibly play in that game. One of the worst playoff performances I’ve ever seen by anybody. Don’t tell me shit about the cold. Tua could have had a home game vs Buffalo but a week earlier, at home against the Bills, with Miami’s battered defense playing their hearts out and turning over Allen 3 times and holding him to 2 TD’s Tua and the Dolphins offense was embarrassing. Punted 4 straight times at home in the second half.

Levis is 3-6 as a starter and lost head to head to Pickett.

Right now, all 3 of them suck. I pray Miami breaks the bank for Tua while the rest of the league laughs at them.

[W&M_Steeler]

Ben went 9-7-1 (with the Rudolph Detroit tie) in 2021 and Trubisky/Pickett went 9-8 the very next year (during Ben’s final year Watt tied the all time sack record. He missed half a season Pickett’s rookie year.)

Ben's stats in 2021 (16 games) were: 3740 yards 22 TDS 10 INT 64.5% Completion Rate, 6.2 Yards/Attempt 86.8 QB Rating
Not great, but he was a shell of himself physically .
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... etBe00.htm

KP's career stats are worse overall, even the counting stats for the most part (despite Kenny having 9 more games to accumulate them)
4474 yards, 13TDs, 13 Ints, 62.6% Completion Rate 6.3 Yards/Attempt 78.8 QB Rating
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... ckKe00.htm

I agree with you that ultimately Tomlin is the most responsible for the Steelers post-season failures over the past 10+ years, but I totally disagree with the insinuation that Ben and KP are remotely comparable, particularly pre-injury 2010s Ben.

KP can't find the endzone. He's clueless in the pocket. He is a slow processor. He's not super accurate. Those things probably aren't going to improve no matter where he goes. KP is what he is- a career back-up who can win some games if called upon but isn't a franchise starter. Nothing wrong with that, I just wish he would have been drafted in the 5th instead of the 1st.

Ben hated playing in Canada’s offense his final year and said so. Also had Watt as a wrecking ball literally winning games in 2021. Sure, granted Ben was at the end of his career but Pickett had Canada and Tomlin all of year one and most of year two. Year one was very promising but you could see Tomlin neutered any attacking instincts in Pickett. I was disappointed in Pickett’s year two showing also, but I’m at the point where I now believe it is going to take a superhuman talent of a QB to win big despite being in Mike Tomlin’s ultra conservative offense.

Pickett deserved to be traded because of his attitude and behavior after being benched and after the Wilson signing. I’m shocked a guy that hadn’t really accomplished anything would show attitude when being challenged.

That said, if a coordinator can get Pickett’s confidence back, he still has a chance to be a quality QB in the NFL. Sad that as soon as the guy gets an NFL level OC, he gets shipped out of town for being a dickhead.

I completely agree that KP was put in a situation to fail. Canada is not an NFL-level OC and will likely never again coach in the NFL. Mike Tomlin shouldn't have been allowed to make the nepotism hire of Canada, and he certainly shouldn't have been allowed to keep Canada after two years of futility. However, Canada isn't the only reason KP failed. Had KP blown away Arthur Smith, I question whether the team signs Wilson- Smith must have had some input on making the change to RW. That, and the defensive players' recruitment of Wilson speaks to the locker room having no confidence in KP.

I think KP has flaws in his game that are innate (e.g. slow processing speed) and hard to address with coaching. I think good back-up / bottom-tier starter is realistically his ceiling. If he's really lucky, and if he can overcome his attitude problems, he might have a chance to become Geno Smith. Had the Steelers taken KP in the mid-late rounds, it might have been better, as he would've been humbled a bit and maybe more at ease with serving as a back-up and competing for a spot. Now he'll sit behind Jalen Hurts for two years. Hopefully, for his sake, he learns from the sidelines this time and shows more fight in his next opportunity to compete (if that ever comes).

[Steel Bingo]

When it came to the most important statistic, wins, and in particular, wins in close games where the result could go either way, KP8 was hardly incompetent. He actually was very good.

Maybe it is fun to troll the guy for not putting up big numbers, even compare him to Roethlisberger who played in the same offense for less time and still had better numbers. But it seems to me that statistically comparing a player with less than 2 years under his belt to Big Ben is not very exiting.

It is a fair argument to say that even in an offense with ideal circumstances, Pickett was not ever going to perform at a high enough level to challenge elite QBs. And yet, he was not improperly thrust into such a role. He did his job, and was successful, finishing with a 14-10 career record.

The offense may not have thrilling entertainment, but he understood that and rarely attempted to become something he was not ever going to be. In fact, outside of his first 10 throws, of which 3 were intercepted, I do not recall him ever forcing anything. Yes, Kenny was exceptional at playing within himself.

Pittsburgh made a Super Bowl in 1995 by utilizing a QB with a similar approach to the game. The Steelers likely win SBXXX if that QB did not have an unusual lapse in his otherwise impeccable playing character. I had aspirations that Pickett could be a similar player, if not better given his ability to tip the scales of close games late in his favor.

But, KP did not want to be here. So, glad he's gone. He may regret that later, since I cannot think of one player who has thumbed his nose at the Steelers and gone on to tell of a happy ending, but maybe he was not as mature as his advanced age otherwise suggested he might be.

Regardless, let us not reach into the closet and pull out old Carson Palmer skeletons; talking about statistics and how they make a QB. None of us Stillers bought Palmer's play as a Bungle, but purely based upon statistics, he was the better (sic) player.

Pickett finishes his time in Pittsburgh with no wins in the playoffs. His capabilities were such that he was not going to achieve many, if any, without a top shelf defense. But it is also important to consider that the past 3 times Pittsburgh went to the Super Bowl, it brought an elite defense.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... 10/opp.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... 08/opp.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... 05/opp.htm

I will be closing the book on Pickett as a guy who was not mature enough to eventually grow into the role that was going to be expected of him. He was not going to be a franchise QB in the sense of some of the other guys who get taken in the first round. He was going to have to be patient, while the rest of the team filled out around him, and he was to be an elite game manager, while stealing some thunder at the end. He got antsy, and that was his downfall for this team.

[Smashmouth21]

When it came to the most important statistic, wins, and in particular, wins in close games where the result could go either way, KP8 was hardly incompetent. He actually was very good.

Maybe it is fun to troll the guy for not putting up big numbers, even compare him to Roethlisberger who played in the same offense for less time and still had better numbers. But it seems to me that statistically comparing a player with less than 2 years under his belt to Big Ben is not very exiting.

It is a fair argument to say that even in an offense with ideal circumstances, Pickett was not ever going to perform at a high enough level to challenge elite QBs. And yet, he was not improperly thrust into such a role. He did his job, and was successful, finishing with a 14-10 career record.

The offense may not have thrilling entertainment, but he understood that and rarely attempted to become something he was not ever going to be. In fact, outside of his first 10 throws, of which 3 were intercepted, I do not recall him ever forcing anything. Yes, Kenny was exceptional at playing within himself.

Pittsburgh made a Super Bowl in 1995 by utilizing a QB with a similar approach to the game. The Steelers likely win SBXXX if that QB did not have an unusual lapse in his otherwise impeccable playing character. I had aspirations that Pickett could be a similar player, if not better given his ability to tip the scales of close games late in his favor.

But, KP did not want to be here. So, glad he's gone. He may regret that later, since I cannot think of one player who has thumbed his nose at the Steelers and gone on to tell of a happy ending, but maybe he was not as mature as his advanced age otherwise suggested he might be.

Regardless, let us not reach into the closet and pull out old Carson Palmer skeletons; talking about statistics and how they make a QB. None of us Stillers bought Palmer's play as a Bungle, but purely based upon statistics, he was the better (sic) player.

Pickett finishes his time in Pittsburgh with no wins in the playoffs. His capabilities were such that he was going to achieve many, if any, without a top shelf defense. But it is also important to consider that the past 3 times Pittsburgh went to the Super Bowl, it brought an elite defense.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... 10/opp.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... 08/opp.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... 05/opp.htm

I will be closing the book on Pickett as a guy who was not mature enough to eventually grow into the role that was going to be expected of him. He was not going to be a franchise QB in the sense of some of the other guys who get taken in the first round. He was going to have to be patient, while the rest of the team filled out around him, and he was to be an elite game manager, while stealing some thunder at the end. He got antsy, and that was his downfall for this team.

Bingo.

[Jobu]

Widdle Snowflake Kenny Pickett should never…I repeat NEVER, be compared to Ben Fucking Roethlisberger. Ever!

[Jtf]

Will Levis' 3 wins last season were against....wait for it.....Carolina, Atlanta and a Miami team that is always a pile of dogshit at the end of the season and always will be as long as Tua is there.

Quite the murderer’s row when it comes to his wins last year.

Tua and will Levi’s are 10 times the qb Kenny Pickett is.

I stopped reading right here.

Tua is headed into year 5. 1 playoff appearance and played about as bad as a human could possibly play in that game. One of the worst playoff performances I’ve ever seen by anybody. Don’t tell me shit about the cold. Tua could have had a home game vs Buffalo but a week earlier, at home against the Bills, with Miami’s battered defense playing their hearts out and turning over Allen 3 times and holding him to 2 TD’s Tua and the Dolphins offense was embarrassing. Punted 4 straight times at home in the second half.

Levis is 3-6 as a starter and lost head to head to Pickett.

Right now, all 3 of them suck. I pray Miami breaks the bank for Tua while the rest of the league laughs at them.

Always curious? Why do you hate Tua Miami so much? You talk about them a lot. You live in Miami and their fans annoy you? Just curious. You mention them like they are division rivals but they never play Steelers. Honestly just curious. ? I live in Pittsburgh and Steelers fans can be really really annoying if you are not really a fan of team. Is that the case with you? Just curious. Man

[Jtf]

Will Levis' 3 wins last season were against....wait for it.....Carolina, Atlanta and a Miami team that is always a pile of dogshit at the end of the season and always will be as long as Tua is there.

Quite the murderer’s row when it comes to his wins last year.

Tua and will Levi’s are 10 times the qb Kenny Pickett is.

I stopped reading right here.

Tua is headed into year 5. 1 playoff appearance and played about as bad as a human could possibly play in that game. One of the worst playoff performances I’ve ever seen by anybody. Don’t tell me shit about the cold. Tua could have had a home game vs Buffalo but a week earlier, at home against the Bills, with Miami’s battered defense playing their hearts out and turning over Allen 3 times and holding him to 2 TD’s Tua and the Dolphins offense was embarrassing. Punted 4 straight times at home in the second half.

Levis is 3-6 as a starter and lost head to head to Pickett.

Right now, all 3 of them suck. I pray Miami breaks the bank for Tua while the rest of the league laughs at them.

To be fair tua did get Miami to playoffs last two years. You and I know that. I mean be objective. It wasn’t sklar Thompson Anyways. I know Skylar won that last game against jets that knocked Steelers out but still tua won most of their games.

[K_C_]

Tua and will Levi’s are 10 times the qb Kenny Pickett is.

I stopped reading right here.

Tua is headed into year 5. 1 playoff appearance and played about as bad as a human could possibly play in that game. One of the worst playoff performances I’ve ever seen by anybody. Don’t tell me shit about the cold. Tua could have had a home game vs Buffalo but a week earlier, at home against the Bills, with Miami’s battered defense playing their hearts out and turning over Allen 3 times and holding him to 2 TD’s Tua and the Dolphins offense was embarrassing. Punted 4 straight times at home in the second half.

Levis is 3-6 as a starter and lost head to head to Pickett.

Right now, all 3 of them suck. I pray Miami breaks the bank for Tua while the rest of the league laughs at them.

Always curious? Why do you hate Tua Miami so much? You talk about them a lot. You live in Miami and their fans annoy you? Just curious. You mention them like they are division rivals but they never play Steelers. Honestly just curious. ? I live in Pittsburgh and Steelers fans can be really really annoying if you are not really a fan of team. Is that the case with you? Just curious. Man

I don’t hate Tua. By all accounts, he’s a wonderful kid.

As a football player, if he was a Steeler, he’d be Kenny Pickett if not more hated.

Dude was benched numerous times as a rookie in favor of Ryan Fitzpatrick. Had injury issues to the point he seriously considered retiring in year 3 (same year he BARELY beat rookie Pickett who was starting his second game ever, in Miami and Tua went scoreless in the second half and even funnier, Watt didn’t play in that game and Pickett ended the game at the Miami 20 with a chance to win it (then he made the mistake of trusting Diontae Johnson with the game on the line.)

Miami made the playoffs (barely beating the Jets and Joe Flacco to get in) that year but Tua was in concussion protocols for 38 days and Skylar Thompson actually competed about as well as Tua would have in a close loss to the Bills.

Last season, Miami got off to their usual hot start (I call Tua “Mr. October” for a reason) and then….well you saw how it ended. Miami the 6th seed after Tagovailoa played all 17 games while Kenny, Mitch and Mason led the Steelers to the 7th seed.

Mason played better vs the Bills than Tua played vs KC and then Tua asked Mahomes for his jersey after the game.

He was probably cold.

Christ I hope they break the bank for Tagovailoa, but no way Miami is that stupid.

[Jtf]

I stopped reading right here.

Tua is headed into year 5. 1 playoff appearance and played about as bad as a human could possibly play in that game. One of the worst playoff performances I’ve ever seen by anybody. Don’t tell me shit about the cold. Tua could have had a home game vs Buffalo but a week earlier, at home against the Bills, with Miami’s battered defense playing their hearts out and turning over Allen 3 times and holding him to 2 TD’s Tua and the Dolphins offense was embarrassing. Punted 4 straight times at home in the second half.

Levis is 3-6 as a starter and lost head to head to Pickett.

Right now, all 3 of them suck. I pray Miami breaks the bank for Tua while the rest of the league laughs at them.

Always curious? Why do you hate Tua Miami so much? You talk about them a lot. You live in Miami and their fans annoy you? Just curious. You mention them like they are division rivals but they never play Steelers. Honestly just curious. ? I live in Pittsburgh and Steelers fans can be really really annoying if you are not really a fan of team. Is that the case with you? Just curious. Man

I don’t hate Tua. By all accounts, he’s a wonderful kid.

As a football player, if he was a Steeler, he’d be Kenny Pickett if not more hated.

Dude was benched numerous times as a rookie in favor of Ryan Fitzpatrick. Had injury issues to the point he seriously considered retiring in year 3 (same year he BARELY beat rookie Pickett who was starting his second game ever, in Miami and Tua went scoreless in the second half and even funnier, Watt didn’t play in that game and Pickett ended the game at the Miami 20 with a chance to win it (then he made the mistake of trusting Diontae Johnson with the game on the line.)

Miami made the playoffs (barely beating the Jets and Joe Flacco to get in) that year but Tua was in concussion protocols for 38 days and Skylar Thompson actually competed about as well as Tua would have in a close loss to the Bills.

Last season, Miami got off to their usual hot start (I call Tua “Mr. October” for a reason) and then….well you saw how it ended. Miami the 6th seed after Tagovailoa played all 17 games while Kenny, Mitch and Mason led the Steelers to the 7th seed.

Mason played better vs the Bills than Tua played vs KC and then asked Mahomes for his jersey after the game.

He was probably cold.

I mean a lot of that is true. I think you are looking over some major injuries that team had the last two years and a terrible online play that tua makes look a lot better .
also there is more to the benching his rookie year because of Flores. Flores is just a bad human. I know a couple guys in that building and Flores def didn’t do tua any favors that rookie year. Flores wanted Jordan love which caused some of the problems
Nobody wanted to work with Flores cause he fired guys so he couldn’t build a good staff. That’s what he got fired then claimed it was race. That really pissed me off because that is hurting his peers in the front of Miami like Chris Grier and Reggie McKenzie and the assistant gm Allen. They are all black. That wasn’t cool of Flores to do that. Really felt for those guys in that situation.

You know a lot about them So I figured you lived in Miami .
Steelers and dolphins are the teams I know most about myself. Just from living in both areas. I don’t really root for either team. But I think tua is def top 15 qb. Don’t think he should be paid 50 million but Daniel jones got over 40 million so tua will get more. I mostly just watch teams for qb play. Not rooting interests honestly

Anyways back to Pickett
I def think Steelers shoulda ran it back one more year with Pickett instead of Wilson. He struggles to throw middle of field too and only does well in rpo game or heavy play action. I think next year they might get better qb play but will it really matter? I feel like they will be fighting for a 7 seed needing help again like they always do. . And teams like jets and bengals will be getting their qb back. Basically I would have gone with mason and Pickett with author smith even though I don’t have high opinion of Pickett. But that opinion started when I watched him during draft process
Pickett I mean. Then Steelers coulda got their qb next year.

Will be interesting for sure.

[K_C_]

Always curious? Why do you hate Tua Miami so much? You talk about them a lot. You live in Miami and their fans annoy you? Just curious. You mention them like they are division rivals but they never play Steelers. Honestly just curious. ? I live in Pittsburgh and Steelers fans can be really really annoying if you are not really a fan of team. Is that the case with you? Just curious. Man

I don’t hate Tua. By all accounts, he’s a wonderful kid.

As a football player, if he was a Steeler, he’d be Kenny Pickett if not more hated.

Dude was benched numerous times as a rookie in favor of Ryan Fitzpatrick. Had injury issues to the point he seriously considered retiring in year 3 (same year he BARELY beat rookie Pickett who was starting his second game ever, in Miami and Tua went scoreless in the second half and even funnier, Watt didn’t play in that game and Pickett ended the game at the Miami 20 with a chance to win it (then he made the mistake of trusting Diontae Johnson with the game on the line.)

Miami made the playoffs (barely beating the Jets and Joe Flacco to get in) that year but Tua was in concussion protocols for 38 days and Skylar Thompson actually competed about as well as Tua would have in a close loss to the Bills.

Last season, Miami got off to their usual hot start (I call Tua “Mr. October” for a reason) and then….well you saw how it ended. Miami the 6th seed after Tagovailoa played all 17 games while Kenny, Mitch and Mason led the Steelers to the 7th seed.

Mason played better vs the Bills than Tua played vs KC and then asked Mahomes for his jersey after the game.

He was probably cold.

I mean a lot of that is true. I think you are looking over some major injuries that team had the last two years and a terrible online play that tua makes look a lot better .
also there is more to the benching his rookie year because of Flores. Flores is just a bad human. I know a couple guys in that building and Flores def didn’t do tua any favors that rookie year. Flores wanted Jordan love which caused some of the problems
Nobody wanted to work with Flores cause he fired guys so he couldn’t build a good staff. That’s what he got fired then claimed it was race. That really pissed me off because that is hurting his peers in the front of Miami like Chris Grier and Reggie McKenzie and the assistant gm Allen. They are all black. That wasn’t cool of Flores to do that. Really felt for those guys in that situation.

You know a lot about them So I figured you lived in Miami .
Steelers and dolphins are the teams I know most about myself. Just from living in both areas. I don’t really root for either team. But I think tua is def top 15 qb. Don’t think he should be paid 50 million but Daniel jones got over 40 million so tua will get more. I mostly just watch teams for qb play. Not rooting interests honestly

Anyways back to Pickett
I def think Steelers shoulda ran it back one more year with Pickett instead of Wilson. He struggles to throw middle of field too and only does well in rpo game or heavy play action. I think next year they might get better qb play but will it really matter? I feel like they will be fighting for a 7 seed needing help again like they always do. . And teams like jets and bengals will be getting their qb back. Basically I would have gone with mason and Pickett with author smith even though I don’t have high opinion of Pickett. But that opinion started when I watched him during draft process
Pickett I mean. Then Steelers coulda got their qb next year.

Will be interesting for sure.

There is just so much I disagree with here, I don't know where to start, so I'll go kind of randomly.

I live in Boca Raton which is about 45 minutes from Miami. A LOT of my friends are Dolphins fans. One of my closest friends owns a very popular brewery in the area and is tight with many of the players (dude golfed regularly with Christian Wilkins and is crushed they didn't keep him.) Literally every Dolphins fan that I know believes that the reason the Dolphins didn't make the playoffs Tua's rookie year was because Flores didn't bench Tua permanently in favor of Fitzpatrick, who played much, much better than the rookie. Flores didn't fuck Tua his rookie year. He fucked the whole team by playing Tua and sitting Fitzmagic.

Flores is a defensive coach. Tua literally has to have a coach like McDaniel who has changed Miami's offense completely to suit Tua. I should clarify....to make sure Tua DOESN'T DIE ON THE FIELD and Miami's offense is now based on Tua getting rid of the ball as fast as is humanly possible so he doesn't end up a vegetable. In beautiful weather early in the season, Miami's offense works like clockwork. It's beautiful, ain't it? As the season trudges along and the weather starts changing and Tua can't get rid of the ball quite as fast as he was in September and October....shit starts changing.....and that's when the Miami offense starts sputtering.

You mention injuries. Literally every team had a shit ton of injuries and Miami's defense was decimated. As I mentioned earlier, Miami's defense turned Josh Allen over 3 times IN MIAMI, in a game that had the Dolphins won, they would have hosted a home playoff game a week later vs those same Bills. Why did they lose? Because Tua fucking sucked, that's why. Especially in the second half. 4 punts in a row for the first time all season. Holy shit. Same story at the end of every season.....but dude saved his masterpiece for the Kansas City game. Patrick Mahomes was animated. Yelling at teammates, refs, even Andy Reid. Mahomes wanted to win. Tua was cold and wanted to go home and played like it.

The kid isn't a winner and never will be.

Also, I'm not buying how terrible Miami's offensive line was. Miami rushed for over 2,300 yards and only a few other teams did the same. They had the highest yards per carry average at 5.1. Tua had an outstanding running game, and outstanding receiving corps and as good an offensive mind as there in is the league. Miami still ended up the 6th seed. 1 seed higher than the Steelers, who are returning none of the QB's that got them the 7th seed.

I can't really think of anything else I can possibly add about Mr. October.

[Jtf]

I don’t hate Tua. By all accounts, he’s a wonderful kid.

As a football player, if he was a Steeler, he’d be Kenny Pickett if not more hated.

Dude was benched numerous times as a rookie in favor of Ryan Fitzpatrick. Had injury issues to the point he seriously considered retiring in year 3 (same year he BARELY beat rookie Pickett who was starting his second game ever, in Miami and Tua went scoreless in the second half and even funnier, Watt didn’t play in that game and Pickett ended the game at the Miami 20 with a chance to win it (then he made the mistake of trusting Diontae Johnson with the game on the line.)

Miami made the playoffs (barely beating the Jets and Joe Flacco to get in) that year but Tua was in concussion protocols for 38 days and Skylar Thompson actually competed about as well as Tua would have in a close loss to the Bills.

Last season, Miami got off to their usual hot start (I call Tua “Mr. October” for a reason) and then….well you saw how it ended. Miami the 6th seed after Tagovailoa played all 17 games while Kenny, Mitch and Mason led the Steelers to the 7th seed.

Mason played better vs the Bills than Tua played vs KC and then asked Mahomes for his jersey after the game.

He was probably cold.

I mean a lot of that is true. I think you are looking over some major injuries that team had the last two years and a terrible online play that tua makes look a lot better .
also there is more to the benching his rookie year because of Flores. Flores is just a bad human. I know a couple guys in that building and Flores def didn’t do tua any favors that rookie year. Flores wanted Jordan love which caused some of the problems
Nobody wanted to work with Flores cause he fired guys so he couldn’t build a good staff. That’s what he got fired then claimed it was race. That really pissed me off because that is hurting his peers in the front of Miami like Chris Grier and Reggie McKenzie and the assistant gm Allen. They are all black. That wasn’t cool of Flores to do that. Really felt for those guys in that situation.

You know a lot about them So I figured you lived in Miami .
Steelers and dolphins are the teams I know most about myself. Just from living in both areas. I don’t really root for either team. But I think tua is def top 15 qb. Don’t think he should be paid 50 million but Daniel jones got over 40 million so tua will get more. I mostly just watch teams for qb play. Not rooting interests honestly

Anyways back to Pickett
I def think Steelers shoulda ran it back one more year with Pickett instead of Wilson. He struggles to throw middle of field too and only does well in rpo game or heavy play action. I think next year they might get better qb play but will it really matter? I feel like they will be fighting for a 7 seed needing help again like they always do. . And teams like jets and bengals will be getting their qb back. Basically I would have gone with mason and Pickett with author smith even though I don’t have high opinion of Pickett. But that opinion started when I watched him during draft process
Pickett I mean. Then Steelers coulda got their qb next year.

Will be interesting for sure.

There is just so much I disagree with here, I don't know where to start, so I'll go kind of randomly.

I live in Boca Raton which is about 45 minutes from Miami. A LOT of my friends are Dolphins fans. One of my closest friends owns a very popular brewery in the area and is tight with many of the players (dude golfed regularly with Christian Wilkins and is crushed they didn't keep him.) Literally every Dolphins fan that I know believes that the reason the Dolphins didn't make the playoffs Tua's rookie year was because Flores didn't bench Tua permanently in favor of Fitzpatrick, who played much, much better than the rookie. Flores didn't fuck Tua his rookie year. He fucked the whole team by playing Tua and sitting Fitzmagic.

Flores is a defensive coach. Tua literally has to have a coach like McDaniel who has changed Miami's offense completely to suit Tua. I should clarify....to make sure Tua DOESN'T DIE ON THE FIELD and Miami's offense is now based on Tua getting rid of the ball as fast as is humanly possible so he doesn't end up a vegetable. In beautiful weather early in the season, Miami's offense works like clockwork. It's beautiful, ain't it? As the season trudges along and the weather starts changing and Tua can't get rid of the ball quite as fast as he was in September and October....shit starts changing.....and that's when the Miami offense starts sputtering.

You mention injuries. Literally every team had a shit ton of injuries and Miami's defense was decimated. As I mentioned earlier, Miami's defense turned Josh Allen over 3 times IN MIAMI, in a game that had the Dolphins won, they would have hosted a home playoff game a week later vs those same Bills. Why did they lose? Because Tua fucking sucked, that's why. Especially in the second half. 4 punts in a row for the first time all season. Holy shit. Same story at the end of every season.....but dude saved his masterpiece for the Kansas City game. Patrick Mahomes was animated. Yelling at teammates, refs, even Andy Reid. Mahomes wanted to win. Tua was cold and wanted to go home and played like it.

The kid isn't a winner and never will be.

Also, I'm not buying how terrible Miami's offensive line was. Miami rushed for over 2,300 yards and only a few other teams did the same. They had the highest yards per carry average at 5.1. Tua had an outstanding running game, and outstanding receiving corps and as good an offensive mind as there in is the league. Miami still ended up the 6th seed. 1 seed higher than the Steelers, who are returning none of the QB's that got them the 7th seed.

I can't really think of anything else I can possibly add about Mr. October.

I pretty much disagree with everything you said.
But doesn’t matter. At least Steelers got fields. They def have a chance to be 7 seed again.

Only thing I will say is Flores is a cunt. Bad guy.
Tua shouldn’t played his rookie year after that hip injury.
Flores hurt the black community and his black peers on nfl a lot. I am lib so it upsets me. That is something you can overlook by calling Flores a d coach. I don’t care if the guy coached specials teams. But fliores calling racial issues for him being fired when his entire front office is black is wrong to Grier and those other guys.
That all I care about. Tua is Mr October. Picket is. Mr August. Or Mr 6 year senior beating 19 year olds.

[tbsteel]

You'll be a huge, huge fan soon enough.

I’m already a fan. I want him to be ‘the guy’. I like his dedication. I’m rooting him.


…but we’ll see. Bet week one you won’t see instant TD’s. I mean…literally (like the word reslly means)…I’m willing to wager.

Well, I agree he probably won’t lead 5 straight drives for TD’s but, like I’ve been saying since last season, don’t be surprised if you see a Joe Burrow-esque leap for KP8.

He has “it”. All of it.

Man this is one of those topics a lot of this board wishes would sink into obscurity. Nope. Gonna have to rub your noses in it some more. Steelers fans, much like Mike Tomlin and company, need some serious humble pie. Breathe it in.

Pickett has "it." All of "it."



There are no awards for being a kool-aid drinker. You're not a truer fan by being blind and just falling back on "Don't blame me for passionately arguing that you're wrong over and over and over again because, uh, I'm just some happy-go-lucky optimist and I'll always root for our boys!!"

There's a huge, HUGE difference between being an optimist vs. being adamant that you're right and arguing passionately about it over and over and over again until the dude is pawned off to the Eagles to hold a clipboard for the rest of his career.

Steelers fans online are so GD arrogant anymore, much like the team they root for. Getting knocked down in the mud would do some good.

[K_C_]

Somebody expected things to go really bad for the Steelers this year and is having a bad time with their success.

[tbsteel]

Okay K_C_, here's a little exercise:

I was wrong. Dead wrong. I predicted the Steelers to finish last in the division. I thought the Browns would be a lot better than they have been (i.e., I thought Watson would be better this year compared to last, not worse) and that the Bengals with Burrow in his prime might take a step back with their losses on D but that overall they were the better squad. I thought Russ was mostly washed, that Fields would offer little if anything beyond scrambling around the pocket like a chicken with its head cut off, and that our defense wouldn't be near as good as it has been. The Steelers have pleasantly surprised overall to a record of 8-3 when I figured they'd be closer to .500. We all knew the first part of their schedule would be easier than the back end, and that still appears to be the case, but an 8-3 start is something I didn't foresee at all. I was wrong.

Shew, I feel better now.

Okay, your turn:

[K_C_]

Okay K_C_, here's a little exercise:

I was wrong. Dead wrong. I predicted the Steelers to finish last in the division. I thought the Browns would be a lot better than they have been (i.e., I thought Watson would be better this year compared to last, not worse) and that the Bengals with Burrow in his prime might take a step back with their losses on D but that overall they were the better squad. I thought Russ was mostly washed, that Fields would offer little if anything beyond scrambling around the pocket like a chicken with its head cut off, and that our defense wouldn't be near as good as it has been. The Steelers have pleasantly surprised overall to a record of 8-3 when I figured they'd be closer to .500. We all knew the first part of their schedule would be easier than the back end, and that still appears to be the case, but an 8-3 start is something I didn't foresee at all. I was wrong.

Shew, I feel better now.

Okay, your turn:

I predicted the Steelers would win 4 games this year. Like a win total of 4. I was wrong and I'm happy as fuck I was wrong. I don't mind being wrong, about Pickett's development or the fact that I wanted Troy Polamalu traded early in his career because he looked to be injury prone.

None of us here are professional GM's (although I'm starting to wonder if I'd be a great pretend GM, being that I wanted Malik Willis over Kenny and I also lusted for Zay Flowers instead of Broderick Jones) and I'm sure we've all been wrong about players and teams. That isn't the point.

Rooting for losses in the hope that it forces Mike Tomlin out is silly. It's like me waiting up for Santa Claus on Christmas Eve......it ain't happening. Under any circumstances and whether we like it or not, the dude has been head coach like 17 years or whatever and hasn't had a losing season. That is, no matter how sick of it we are, damned impressive and when you coach that long, winning at that level consistently can't have all that much to do with luck. Again, I loathe Cool Shades but his players love him and they play hard for him. They aren't done winning games this year. No chance. You know it and I know it. Last night was Cleveland's SUPER BOWL. They pulled out a squeaker because the Steelers did some of the dumbest things they could possibly do (I like Justin Fields but even I know he doesn't throw a good deep ball. You bring him him on a third and five to throw a moon ball to Pickens? WTF?) They'll beat Cincy next week and people will be back to talking about playoff seedings.

Tomlin isn't going anywhere, ever, unless he wants to....and it sure as fuck doesn't look like he wants to go anywhere else anytime soon.

[tbsteel]

Tomlin isn't going anywhere, ever, unless he wants to....and it sure as fuck doesn't look like he wants to go anywhere else anytime soon.

So if you believe that, can you at least understand why I don't think I'm nuts for pulling for Tomlin to be embarrassed and humbled? I agree, he's not getting fired unless it just completely falls apart and falls apart for like 3 years and for whatever reason he just digs in and refuses to go do something else.

But if it does go South and he gets humbled in an ugly way, and if the future looks bleak like it does currently: no long-term QB, aging stars on defense, a sputtering and inconsistent offense that has been stuck in the mud for years... Tomlin isn't dumb (well, for the most part lol). And he cares a ton about his perceived legacy. If the ship is going down, he'd rather save his legacy than go down and take a giant dump on what he quote/unquote built.

To me, the options are acceptance and defeat (which appears to be where you're at), blind hope that magic dust will be sprinkled on this team and they'll somehow just find a way to overcome all of their long-standing issues, or hope that it does go bad for the short-term so that needed changes can be made and that ultimately the short-term pain will result in the possibility of escaping the purgatory we're currently stuck in.

[K_C_]

Tomlin isn't going anywhere, ever, unless he wants to....and it sure as fuck doesn't look like he wants to go anywhere else anytime soon.

So if you believe that, can you at least understand why I don't think I'm nuts for pulling for Tomlin to be embarrassed and humbled? I agree, he's not getting fired unless it just completely falls apart and falls apart for like 3 years and for whatever reason he just digs in and refuses to go do something else.

But if it does go South and he gets humbled in an ugly way, and if the future looks bleak like it does currently: no long-term QB, aging stars on defense, a sputtering and inconsistent offense that has been stuck in the mud for years... Tomlin isn't dumb (well, for the most part lol). And he cares a ton about his perceived legacy. If the ship is going down, he'd rather save his legacy than go down and take a giant dump on what he quote/unquote built.

To me, the options are acceptance and defeat (which appears to be where you're at), blind hope that magic dust will be sprinkled on this team and they'll somehow just find a way to overcome all of their long-standing issues, or hope that it does go bad for the short-term so that needed changes can be made and that ultimately the short-term pain will result in the possibility of escaping the purgatory we're currently stuck in.

We aren't going to see eye to eye on this. Ever.

Life is short. I want to see the Steelers win every single game, no matter the circumstances. No, I don't punch walls and destroy remote controls like I did 20 years ago (I have some stories that would curl your hair) when they lose. I don't let it bother me nearly as much, but it bothers me. It would be impossible to me to be happy when the Steelers lose. I just think long time fans don't have that in them. Ask Swiss. The Jizz Mopper, really 97% of the folks at Fury. That's simply not how it works.

If it honestly makes you feel better hoping they lose, then hell yes. You do you but I agree with whoever said today that if I ever got to the point where I wanted the Steelers to lose, I would stop watching.....and I'll never get to that point.

Could I get to the point where the games get like bad for my blood pressure or something in 10 or 20 years, so I'd stop watching? Sure, but that would be the only way. I could never imagine wanting my team to lose especially with the notion Mike Tomlin might be fired if he loses enough.

He won't.

[zeke5123]

Tomlin isn't going anywhere, ever, unless he wants to....and it sure as fuck doesn't look like he wants to go anywhere else anytime soon.

So if you believe that, can you at least understand why I don't think I'm nuts for pulling for Tomlin to be embarrassed and humbled? I agree, he's not getting fired unless it just completely falls apart and falls apart for like 3 years and for whatever reason he just digs in and refuses to go do something else.

But if it does go South and he gets humbled in an ugly way, and if the future looks bleak like it does currently: no long-term QB, aging stars on defense, a sputtering and inconsistent offense that has been stuck in the mud for years... Tomlin isn't dumb (well, for the most part lol). And he cares a ton about his perceived legacy. If the ship is going down, he'd rather save his legacy than go down and take a giant dump on what he quote/unquote built.

To me, the options are acceptance and defeat (which appears to be where you're at), blind hope that magic dust will be sprinkled on this team and they'll somehow just find a way to overcome all of their long-standing issues, or hope that it does go bad for the short-term so that needed changes can be made and that ultimately the short-term pain will result in the possibility of escaping the purgatory we're currently stuck in.

We aren't going to see eye to eye on this. Ever.

Life is short. I want to see the Steelers win every single game, no matter the circumstances. No, I don't punch walls and destroy remote controls like I did 20 years ago (I have some stories that would curl your hair) when they lose. I don't let it bother me nearly as much, but it bothers me. It would be impossible to me to be happy when the Steelers lose. I just think long time fans don't have that in them. Ask Swiss. The Jizz Mopper, really 97% of the folks at Fury. That's simply not how it works.

If it honestly makes you feel better hoping they lose, then hell yes. You do you but I agree with whoever said today that if I ever got to the point where I wanted the Steelers to lose, I would stop watching.....and I'll never get to that point.

Could I get to the point where the games get like bad for my blood pressure or something in 10 or 20 years, so I'd stop watching? Sure, but that would be the only way. I could never imagine wanting my team to lose especially with the notion Mike Tomlin might be fired if he loses enough.

He won't.

While I’m generally on board there are times. Let’s say the best QB prospect in fifty years is coming out and you are playing game 17 against another team. Loser gets the first pick. I’m rooting like hell for the Steelers to lose that game. If they are up 1 late I want them trying to intentionally take a safety.