J C Latham or Graham Barton
J C Latham or Graham Barton
Who would you choose first? Or would you trade down with Buffalo if 1 of top wr prospects is on the board & Buffalo has not yet moved up to get one yet?
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Good question...
I would go Latham. Bookend blue chip tackles would be a huge luxury this team hasn't had in a long time. I also don't think Latham will be on the board. Barton will be.
There is still a chance to get Frazier in the 2nd, Nourzad or Bortolini even later.
OT, WR, CB, C
I would go Latham. Bookend blue chip tackles would be a huge luxury this team hasn't had in a long time. I also don't think Latham will be on the board. Barton will be.
There is still a chance to get Frazier in the 2nd, Nourzad or Bortolini even later.
OT, WR, CB, C
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Poor drafting has caught up to them and they’re backed into a corner. The top 3 centers should all be gone by their 2nd round pick so either you take one in round 1, or roll the dice on a mid rounder or low level free agent like another Mason Cole or try Herbig there.
If they go C and OT early then your WR spot is below average and you haven’t added depth at CB and DT.
I’d imagine they are going to resign some free agents like Sullivan, Peterson, Wallace or Cole at lower salaries just for depth purposes and have them compete with draft picks. They typically don’t go into a draft with this many glaring holes.
If they go C and OT early then your WR spot is below average and you haven’t added depth at CB and DT.
I’d imagine they are going to resign some free agents like Sullivan, Peterson, Wallace or Cole at lower salaries just for depth purposes and have them compete with draft picks. They typically don’t go into a draft with this many glaring holes.
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Barton. Right Tackles are easy to find. We need a Center for the next 10 years.
Sitting here right now…it just has to be a first round center.
I’ve said it before, but don’t be shocked when they don’t draft OT until day 3. I think they like Moore better than most think.
I’ve said it before, but don’t be shocked when they don’t draft OT until day 3. I think they like Moore better than most think.
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Latham for sure.
Center has decent depth.
I think RT is a far bigger need. I'd take Latham but I suspect he goes earlier.
I think RT is a far bigger need. I'd take Latham but I suspect he goes earlier.
I think Barton is going to be a great pro.
Of course, I'd love a trade down to get another top 100 pick, but ultimately I'd run to the podium for Barton.
Of course, I'd love a trade down to get another top 100 pick, but ultimately I'd run to the podium for Barton.
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Tackle and Wr Deep get the Center and find the Rt later
Latham is as close to a Flozell Adams type of RT as I have seen.
That trade down is too far if you need a starting RT and Latham is it. But if there is a WR run and several RTs get pushed down...
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My thought is Barton offers the more bang for the buck.
Has experience at tackle and center.
An argument can be made for specializing at a position is more lucrative.
Most teams are going to look at what is best value and benefits the team more.
Has experience at tackle and center.
An argument can be made for specializing at a position is more lucrative.
Most teams are going to look at what is best value and benefits the team more.
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I’ve definitely come around to your thinking CD after more study on this draft.Charles Demarr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 6:27 pmGood question...
I would go Latham. Bookend blue chip tackles would be a huge luxury this team hasn't had in a long time. I also don't think Latham will be on the board. Barton will be.
There is still a chance to get Frazier in the 2nd, Nourzad or Bortolini even later.
OT, WR, CB, C
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I'd be very happy if Barton ends up being the pick. He's a stud. In this scenario though, I think Latham (an absolute people mover) being available would induce a Steeler podium sprint. Omar could then use the 3 from the Iggles or a future pick to get Frazier or whatever 2nd round WR they covet. The difference in the run game when Broderick was inserted into the starting lineup was night and day. Adding Latham would take it to the next level. But again....he'll be long gone by pick 20. Barton vs. Mims is the more realistic question.Suwanee88 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 11:09 amI’ve definitely come around to your thinking CD after more study on this draft.Charles Demarr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 6:27 pmGood question...
I would go Latham. Bookend blue chip tackles would be a huge luxury this team hasn't had in a long time. I also don't think Latham will be on the board. Barton will be.
There is still a chance to get Frazier in the 2nd, Nourzad or Bortolini even later.
OT, WR, CB, C
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If they get Latham in the 1st, that would open up the option to shift Daniels to center, and then look for Cooper Beebe or Zak Zinter later for the vacated right guard slot.
The above would add a lot of beef to the run game.
The above would add a lot of beef to the run game.
When you go to the various mock draft simulators and do some mock drafts, various trends start to happen over and over again. And yes, these are mock simulators and the trading of picks can border on ridiculous, but I think it does show some trends that I think will happen come draft time.
One. I do think that if you pass on RT in round 1, you probably will not find a RT who can start as a rookie and move Jones back to LT. There is one exception, one player, Blake Fisher, the kid from Notre Dame who played opposite of Joe Alt. He played RT and has great movement skills, just doesn't have the techniques and overall polish of Alt. Maybe he slides to round 3 and we can take him there.
Two. If you pass on a WR in round 2, you aren't going to find a day one starter to pair with George Pickens. There is this group who I think may fall to round 2, Xavier Leggette, Troy Franklin, maybe Keon Coleman, Roman Wilson, Ricky Pearsal. If you pass on that group, it is going to be real ugly by the time round 3, pick 84 rolls around. Maybe, maybe Jermain Burton falls due to character concerns and he is there at pick 84. But I think for this draft it is round 2 to get that starting WR.
Three. The sweet spot for nickel CB, slot CB is round 3. I think there will be a group of Kris Abrams-Draine, Andru Phillips, Jarrian Jones, Jarvis Brownless Jr and I would throw in the S/CB/NCB Dadrion Taylor-Demerson in that group too. So, at the end of the 3rd round, you try and take one of these nickel CB/Safties, at pick 84 or 98 because if you don't it falls off a cliff in a hurry. You pick one of those 5 and you have an immediate upgrade and starter and a Mike Hilton/Cam Sutton level starter again.
Hunter Nourzad. Funny thing about him, is people talk about how he will be available in round 4 or 5. I call bullshit on that. I can't tell you how many times I think I will wait until round 4, pick 119 and he then is taken already when doing mocks. I think he is a 3rd rounder all day, every day and the Steelers may have to give up a pick to move up from pick 84 to secure him.
To me I think the draft falls like this for the Steelers, they draft RT in round 1, take the best WR still available in round 2, then get that Center in round 3, then the remaining pick in round 3 goes for nickel defender. Top 4 picks get 4 starters.
One. I do think that if you pass on RT in round 1, you probably will not find a RT who can start as a rookie and move Jones back to LT. There is one exception, one player, Blake Fisher, the kid from Notre Dame who played opposite of Joe Alt. He played RT and has great movement skills, just doesn't have the techniques and overall polish of Alt. Maybe he slides to round 3 and we can take him there.
Two. If you pass on a WR in round 2, you aren't going to find a day one starter to pair with George Pickens. There is this group who I think may fall to round 2, Xavier Leggette, Troy Franklin, maybe Keon Coleman, Roman Wilson, Ricky Pearsal. If you pass on that group, it is going to be real ugly by the time round 3, pick 84 rolls around. Maybe, maybe Jermain Burton falls due to character concerns and he is there at pick 84. But I think for this draft it is round 2 to get that starting WR.
Three. The sweet spot for nickel CB, slot CB is round 3. I think there will be a group of Kris Abrams-Draine, Andru Phillips, Jarrian Jones, Jarvis Brownless Jr and I would throw in the S/CB/NCB Dadrion Taylor-Demerson in that group too. So, at the end of the 3rd round, you try and take one of these nickel CB/Safties, at pick 84 or 98 because if you don't it falls off a cliff in a hurry. You pick one of those 5 and you have an immediate upgrade and starter and a Mike Hilton/Cam Sutton level starter again.
Hunter Nourzad. Funny thing about him, is people talk about how he will be available in round 4 or 5. I call bullshit on that. I can't tell you how many times I think I will wait until round 4, pick 119 and he then is taken already when doing mocks. I think he is a 3rd rounder all day, every day and the Steelers may have to give up a pick to move up from pick 84 to secure him.
To me I think the draft falls like this for the Steelers, they draft RT in round 1, take the best WR still available in round 2, then get that Center in round 3, then the remaining pick in round 3 goes for nickel defender. Top 4 picks get 4 starters.
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That's exactly where I am at Scunge. However, that's me. I have some doubts that's where the Steelers are at.
A - Could the Steelers throw us a curve ball & go receiver in round one. There have been some signs, right?
1 WR - Brian Thomas maybe?
2 OT - Who would it be though. Any chance Barton falls this far. I doubt it
3 - Center - Nourzad
Anyone, give me your picks if the Steelers go this route.
A - Could the Steelers throw us a curve ball & go receiver in round one. There have been some signs, right?
1 WR - Brian Thomas maybe?
2 OT - Who would it be though. Any chance Barton falls this far. I doubt it
3 - Center - Nourzad
Anyone, give me your picks if the Steelers go this route.
Both centers probably will be there in the second. One might be there when we pick in the second. Mims in the first (20), package both of our thirds and a sixth. (84,98,195) to move up in the early second take JPJ if he's there, if not take Frazier. Take a WR with our second (51).
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Based on where Tomkhan have been with pro days so far, first round WR seems highly unlikely unless, say, Rome Odunze falls to them.
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The centers spot is a Need do you go C round 1
WR round 2
RT in round 3
WR round 2
RT in round 3
1.OC BARTONsteelmann58 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:06 pmThe centers spot is a Need do you go C round 1
WR round 2
RT in round 3
2.WR LEGGETE
3.RT FISHER
3b.SCB J. JONES
4.DE MAASON SMITH
6a.ILB GANT
6b.DT JEFFERSON
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What would y’all say to….DP39 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 9:44 pmThis is where I'm at, as well. Of course, the wrench in all of this will/could be....IF Tomlin HAS to have SVP-G at 2-51 -- a round or two too early.bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 12:01 pm1 OT
2 WR
3 NCB
3B C
4 DT
The rest long snappers and WGAF
20. JC Latham OT Alabama
51. Xavier Legette WR South Carolina
84. Maason Smith DT LSU
98. Andru Phillips CB Kentucky
119. Tanor Bortolini OC Wisconsin
178. Josh Proctor S Ohio State
195. Joe Milton III QB Tennessee
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I would not waste a pick on a QB late. They will not develop in the current NFL. Shon Stevens would be a better pick and he is a huge reach at 195.Steelafan77 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:06 pm
What would y’all say to….
20. JC Latham OT Alabama
51. Xavier Legette WR South Carolina
84. Maason Smith DT LSU
98. Andru Phillips CB Kentucky
119. Tanor Bortolini OC Wisconsin
178. Josh Proctor S Ohio State
195. Joe Milton III QB Tennessee
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I don't hate this at all, but it sounds like Bortolini is ascending up draft boards. Not sure he's there at 119.Steelafan77 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:06 pmWhat would y’all say to….DP39 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 9:44 pmThis is where I'm at, as well. Of course, the wrench in all of this will/could be....IF Tomlin HAS to have SVP-G at 2-51 -- a round or two too early.bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 12:01 pm
1 OT
2 WR
3 NCB
3B C
4 DT
The rest long snappers and WGAF
20. JC Latham OT Alabama
51. Xavier Legette WR South Carolina
84. Maason Smith DT LSU
98. Andru Phillips CB Kentucky
119. Tanor Bortolini OC Wisconsin
178. Josh Proctor S Ohio State
195. Joe Milton III QB Tennessee
9.78 RAS, he tested very well and Wisconsin has become an interior lineman factory. I think he's gone day 2.
Really worry about Latham's movement. He got done like a kipper on inside counters because his pass set was assuming outside rush and he could not reset or come close to it.
Similar concerns with Mims but he has the movement to at least get something on the pass rusher to prevent that inside counter.
Similar concerns with Mims but he has the movement to at least get something on the pass rusher to prevent that inside counter.
Bortolini had a rough senior bowl. Constantly getting shoved backwards, lad had a real hard time anchoring.
Was a bit more impressed with Beaux Limmer.
Was a bit more impressed with Beaux Limmer.
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The Steelers WILL ABSOLUTELY get their WR in the second round, so whichever they don't choose in the first round, center or right tackle, will be one of the picks in the third round (along with either CB or DL.....I'm betting on CB.)Scunge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 12:26 amWhen you go to the various mock draft simulators and do some mock drafts, various trends start to happen over and over again. And yes, these are mock simulators and the trading of picks can border on ridiculous, but I think it does show some trends that I think will happen come draft time.
One. I do think that if you pass on RT in round 1, you probably will not find a RT who can start as a rookie and move Jones back to LT. There is one exception, one player, Blake Fisher, the kid from Notre Dame who played opposite of Joe Alt. He played RT and has great movement skills, just doesn't have the techniques and overall polish of Alt. Maybe he slides to round 3 and we can take him there.
Two. If you pass on a WR in round 2, you aren't going to find a day one starter to pair with George Pickens. There is this group who I think may fall to round 2, Xavier Leggette, Troy Franklin, maybe Keon Coleman, Roman Wilson, Ricky Pearsal. If you pass on that group, it is going to be real ugly by the time round 3, pick 84 rolls around. Maybe, maybe Jermain Burton falls due to character concerns and he is there at pick 84. But I think for this draft it is round 2 to get that starting WR.
Three. The sweet spot for nickel CB, slot CB is round 3. I think there will be a group of Kris Abrams-Draine, Andru Phillips, Jarrian Jones, Jarvis Brownless Jr and I would throw in the S/CB/NCB Dadrion Taylor-Demerson in that group too. So, at the end of the 3rd round, you try and take one of these nickel CB/Safties, at pick 84 or 98 because if you don't it falls off a cliff in a hurry. You pick one of those 5 and you have an immediate upgrade and starter and a Mike Hilton/Cam Sutton level starter again.
Hunter Nourzad. Funny thing about him, is people talk about how he will be available in round 4 or 5. I call bullshit on that. I can't tell you how many times I think I will wait until round 4, pick 119 and he then is taken already when doing mocks. I think he is a 3rd rounder all day, every day and the Steelers may have to give up a pick to move up from pick 84 to secure him.
To me I think the draft falls like this for the Steelers, they draft RT in round 1, take the best WR still available in round 2, then get that Center in round 3, then the remaining pick in round 3 goes for nickel defender. Top 4 picks get 4 starters.
The Steelers have to get a compliment for Pickens and Diontae Johnson was dealt for a reason.
If Roman Wilson is there, he'll be the pick.
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