Bmac launched a rumor a playmaker in the works

[Jizz Mop]

I don't recognize these Steelers.

Which is refreshing. Hopefully it’s not only a diff GM and Asst GM along with their fresh strategy…..but a directive from above that this team has to start winning playoff games.

God forbid we expect more than NHALS.

[DP39]

I don't recognize these Steelers.

After this offseason (so far), it's been clearer to me Khan/Weidl have more personnel power, and Tomlin now has less (or at least influence). Which is a step in the right direction from the relationship (err...influence over) Tomlin had with Colbert in his last handful of years as GM. So happy to see the change.

[bradshaw2ben]

I don't recognize these Steelers.

After this offseason (so far), it's been clearer to me Khan/Weidl have more personnel power, and Tomlin now has less (or at least influence). Which is a step in the right direction from the relationship (err...influence over) Tomlin had with Colbert in his last handful of years as GM. So happy to see the change.

Um. Maybe, maybe not. Justin Fields & Patrick Queen are surefire Tomlin favorites. Hard to argue that Roman Wilson & Zach Frazier aren't.

[Steelperch]

Anyone but OBJ please.

[Ice]

I don't recognize these Steelers.

After this offseason (so far), it's been clearer to me Khan/Weidl have more personnel power, and Tomlin now has less (or at least influence). Which is a step in the right direction from the relationship (err...influence over) Tomlin had with Colbert in his last handful of years as GM. So happy to see the change.

Um. Maybe, maybe not. Justin Fields & Patrick Queen are surefire Tomlin favorites. Hard to argue that Roman Wilson & Zach Frazier aren't.

Yeah, I'll admit that the emphasis on the line, and some of the trade and FA aggression seems new, and some of it (particularly on the line) seems Philly-esque, which points a little bit to Weidl, but Fields is DEFINITELY a Tomlin fave. Think we're going to have to wait for the book to come out.

[DP39]

I don't recognize these Steelers.

After this offseason (so far), it's been clearer to me Khan/Weidl have more personnel power, and Tomlin now has less (or at least influence). Which is a step in the right direction from the relationship (err...influence over) Tomlin had with Colbert in his last handful of years as GM. So happy to see the change.

Um. Maybe, maybe not. Justin Fields & Patrick Queen are surefire Tomlin favorites. Hard to argue that Roman Wilson & Zach Frazier aren't.

Maybe I should've stated it in percentages to be clearer -- although I don't know what they'd actually be. But, for example, it seemed like Tomlin had 90% influence over Colbert in his last handful of years, whereas, he now seems to be trending towards having significantly less (maybe 45% ).

[Steelafan77]

Anyone but OBJ please.

Oh gawd Pleeeeease NO!

A has-been cancer… naw, to the naw, naw, nuh, nuh, nuh, naw, naw….Hell to the Nooooooooo!

[steelmann58]

I don’t believe this if it’s true

[tbsteel]

The two biggest changes I've seen with Khan/Weidl/Tomlin compared to Tomlin/Colbert:

*We seem to be drafting much more from an overall consensus top board which is leading to great value picks. I think Colbert was more old school in trusting his instincts and trusting his scouts, and probably more arrogant in that he didn't care where others across the league had a guy rated compared to his own eval.

*We seem more open to taking risks on guys with injury concerns.

[bradshaw2ben]

The two biggest changes I've seen with Khan/Weidl/Tomlin compared to Tomlin/Colbert:

*We seem to be drafting much more from an overall consensus top board which is leading to great value picks. I think Colbert was more old school in trusting his instincts and trusting his scouts, and probably more arrogant in that he didn't care where others across the league had a guy rated compared to his own eval.

*We seem more open to taking risks on guys with injury concerns.

I hate using the consensus draft board to do anything but help you decide where you have to move on prospects you want. Value is drafting John Stallworth in the 4th instead of Round 1--where you could easily have justified taking him, not drafting a guy who fell 20 spots lower on the consensus board because he has consensus value.

The only context I think it's reasonable to take a so-called value pick is when a player falls you have very highly rated but who plays a position that isn't of huge need for you. I.E.: If you think Patrick Mahomes is an elite QB prospect and he falls anywhere near your draft slot, you draft him or even trade up slightly to get him, even when you have a HOF QB already on the roster. If your #1 EDGE prospect falls to the third round and you don't have a player you love who has to be taken at that slot or missed, you take the EDGE. And so on.

[SteelerDayTrader]

I don't recognize these Steelers.

After this offseason (so far), it's been clearer to me Khan/Weidl have more personnel power, and Tomlin now has less (or at least influence). Which is a step in the right direction from the relationship (err...influence over) Tomlin had with Colbert in his last handful of years as GM. So happy to see the change.

[jebrick]

The two biggest changes I've seen with Khan/Weidl/Tomlin compared to Tomlin/Colbert:

*We seem to be drafting much more from an overall consensus top board which is leading to great value picks. I think Colbert was more old school in trusting his instincts and trusting his scouts, and probably more arrogant in that he didn't care where others across the league had a guy rated compared to his own eval.

*We seem more open to taking risks on guys with injury concerns.

I hate using the consensus draft board to do anything but help you decide where you have to move on prospects you want. Value is drafting John Stallworth in the 4th instead of Round 1--where you could easily have justified taking him, not drafting a guy who fell 20 spots lower on the consensus board because he has consensus value.

The only context I think it's reasonable to take a so-called value pick is when a player falls you have very highly rated but who plays a position that isn't of huge need for you. I.E.: If you think Patrick Mahomes is an elite QB prospect and he falls anywhere near your draft slot, you draft him or even trade up slightly to get him, even when you have a HOF QB already on the roster. If your #1 EDGE prospect falls to the third round and you don't have a player you love who has to be taken at that slot or missed, you take the EDGE. And so on.

Tomlin has always been a SPARQ guy. Athletics over football. You win some(Shazier, Timmons, Watt) and you lose some( Dupree, Edmunds, Burns). I think Wiedl has brought them back to trenches but still, Brodrick Jones is more of a SPARQ guy then a football player. Payton Wilson is a Tomlin player. My understanding ( which may be totally flawed) is that Colbert was more of a stat/college career type guy. Thus we got Jervis Jones , Devin Bush and Najee but also Cam Heyward. Getting away from the gut feeling/stats and more to the practical could really be paying off. Colberts weakness was day 3. We are not seeing that now.

[SteelerDayTrader]

In the Roethlisberger era:

I think the Steelers often got there guy in the first and kinda punted in the 2nd and 3rd

If I was running a draft room I would tend to think 1 2 and 3 I really need to hit on in some manner. BPA or great football player who fills need either one but they gotta be a great football player first

2 drafts is not enough to define a trend but in the two post Colbert drafts I see Tomlin type guys with high character AND a realization that rounds 2 and 3 we really need to grab top prospects for the whole organization and kinda avoid a scout’s or position coach’s draft crush at least through 1 2 and 3

[jebrick]

In the Roethlisberger era:

I think the Steelers often got there guy in the first and kinda punted in the 2nd and 3rd

If I was running a draft room I would tend to think 1 2 and 3 I really need to hit on in some manner. BPA or great football player who fills need either one but they gotta be a great football player first

2 drafts is not enough to define a trend but in the two post Colbert drafts I see Tomlin type guys with high character AND a realization that rounds 2 and 3 we really need to grab top prospects for the whole organization and kinda avoid a scout’s or position coach’s draft crush at least through 1 2 and 3

Some of this might be because they needed to revamp the scouting department. Get rid of some and train the others.

[SteelerDayTrader]

In the Roethlisberger era:

I think the Steelers often got there guy in the first and kinda punted in the 2nd and 3rd

If I was running a draft room I would tend to think 1 2 and 3 I really need to hit on in some manner. BPA or great football player who fills need either one but they gotta be a great football player first

2 drafts is not enough to define a trend but in the two post Colbert drafts I see Tomlin type guys with high character AND a realization that rounds 2 and 3 we really need to grab top prospects for the whole organization and kinda avoid a scout’s or position coach’s draft crush at least through 1 2 and 3

Some of this might be because they needed to revamp the scouting department. Get rid of some and train the others.

Perhaps

But we do know from several previous public statements the Steelers have given ALOT of weight to what position coaches wanted and again 2 drafts can’t really show a trend but it would seem rounds 2 and 3 have a little more value placed on high football character and a fairly quick path to starting and less on possibly being someone’s draft crush in the scouting department

[Steeldrama]

In the Roethlisberger era:

I think the Steelers often got there guy in the first and kinda punted in the 2nd and 3rd

The most glaring examples of that were following the Troy Polamalu pick with Alonzo Jackson and the Ben Roethlisberger pick with Ricardo Colclough.

Two HOF picks followed by complete garbage.

[KCSteeler]

I will never forget Colclough playing a punt return off his helmet deep in our territory in a critical game. I HATED that guy.

[tbsteel]

I hate using the consensus draft board to do anything but help you decide where you have to move on prospects you want. Value is drafting John Stallworth in the 4th instead of Round 1--where you could easily have justified taking him, not drafting a guy who fell 20 spots lower on the consensus board because he has consensus value.

Good stuff. I guess my overall point was: I don't see Khan/Weidl taking Terrell Edmunds or Artie Burns in the first. Even if they liked the player, I think they'd be much more cognizant of the consensus value of the player to either be proactive and trade back to make sure they got better value, or by taking a guy who was available that just had much better overall value (such as Mason McCormick this year, which I think they did just because they had him rated much higher than that draft position and couldn't walk away from that value even though they had more pressing needs). Latter-day Colbert seemed really arrogant in the way he talked about their evaluations and how he approached the draft, which is why I don't think he gave a damn that most of the league saw Edwards as a third rounder since the Steelers eval was that he was a top talent and who cares what the rest of the league thinks, right? Khan strikes me as more of an analytical approach, which through two years I'm really enjoying.

[bradshaw2ben]

I hate using the consensus draft board to do anything but help you decide where you have to move on prospects you want. Value is drafting John Stallworth in the 4th instead of Round 1--where you could easily have justified taking him, not drafting a guy who fell 20 spots lower on the consensus board because he has consensus value.

Good stuff. I guess my overall point was: I don't see Khan/Weidl taking Terrell Edmunds or Artie Burns in the first. Even if they liked the player, I think they'd be much more cognizant of the consensus value of the player to either be proactive and trade back to make sure they got better value, or by taking a guy who was available that just had much better overall value (such as Mason McCormick this year, which I think they did just because they had him rated much higher than that draft position and couldn't walk away from that value even though they had more pressing needs). Latter-day Colbert seemed really arrogant in the way he talked about their evaluations and how he approached the draft, which is why I don't think he gave a damn that most of the league saw Edwards as a third rounder since the Steelers eval was that he was a top talent and who cares what the rest of the league thinks, right? Khan strikes me as more of an analytical approach, which through two years I'm really enjoying.

Yeah, I kind of see both sides. I'm not sure I would have survived the 1974 Steelers Draft War Room... they apparently had their first 4 rounds of picks all at or near the top of their board at the beginning of the draft. The strategic wherewithal and patience to execute that draft was stunning. Imagine the temptation to move up plus the analysis/gut checks of which one to pick first?

One of the many reasons that's the greatest draft ever is that they neither picked consensus players that everyone thought were great value (hell, I'll bet you the modern draft coverage/analysis would have given them terrible grades on draft night) nor did they do a bunch of moving up to get players they wanted. They scouted better than everyone else except maybe the Cowboys, and they outflanked and outsmarted the Cowboys. They were the best at identifying and the best at winning the draft strategy.

hearing the 2024 front office almost moved up for Fautanu, considering the other prospects still on the board-- this is a red flag to me. No reason to move up unless you are moving up for the last prospect in a tier-- either no other great prospects after him or a big drop off after him at the position. Even then, all of the analytics of the draft say don't except for a QB. Not sure that situation qualified.

[SteelerDayTrader]

I hate using the consensus draft board to do anything but help you decide where you have to move on prospects you want. Value is drafting John Stallworth in the 4th instead of Round 1--where you could easily have justified taking him, not drafting a guy who fell 20 spots lower on the consensus board because he has consensus value.

Good stuff. I guess my overall point was: I don't see Khan/Weidl taking Terrell Edmunds or Artie Burns in the first. Even if they liked the player, I think they'd be much more cognizant of the consensus value of the player to either be proactive and trade back to make sure they got better value, or by taking a guy who was available that just had much better overall value (such as Mason McCormick this year, which I think they did just because they had him rated much higher than that draft position and couldn't walk away from that value even though they had more pressing needs). Latter-day Colbert seemed really arrogant in the way he talked about their evaluations and how he approached the draft, which is why I don't think he gave a damn that most of the league saw Edwards as a third rounder since the Steelers eval was that he was a top talent and who cares what the rest of the league thinks, right? Khan strikes me as more of an analytical approach, which through two years I'm really enjoying.

Yeah, I kind of see both sides. I'm not sure I would have survived the 1974 Steelers Draft War Room... they apparently had their first 4 rounds of picks all at or near the top of their board at the beginning of the draft. The strategic wherewithal and patience to execute that draft was stunning. Imagine the temptation to move up plus the analysis/gut checks of which one to pick first?

One of the many reasons that's the greatest draft ever is that they neither picked consensus players that everyone thought were great value (hell, I'll bet you the modern draft coverage/analysis would have given them terrible grades on draft night) nor did they do a bunch of moving up to get players they wanted. They scouted better than everyone else except maybe the Cowboys, and they outflanked and outsmarted the Cowboys. They were the best at identifying and the best at winning the draft strategy.

hearing the 2024 front office almost moved up for Fautanu, considering the other prospects still on the board-- this is a red flag to me. No reason to move up unless you are moving up for the last prospect in a tier-- either no other great prospects after him or a big drop off after him at the position. Even then, all of the analytics of the draft say don't except for a QB. Not sure that situation qualified.

With just 2 drafts in the can Tomlin/Khan/Weidl look pretty good

Let’s remember a couple of things about Colbert before we regency bias bury him

- Got the Steelers to 3 Super Bowls in 6 years winning 2. That’s a dynasty level team

- Drafted Troy and Ike in the same draft, followed that up with Ben and Starks and a year later Miller and McFadden among others over that 3 year span. Troy and Ben are among the best ever to play the game

- It’s MUCH MUCH harder to draft for a solid team rather than the shitty team the Steelers are now

- More and more it looks like Kenny Touchdown had a a lot of Rooney fingerprints

[Pabst]

Update - McFadden is walking it back a bit today. Says the info he got was "3rd or 4th party" and he hasn't talked to anyone with the Steelers directly.

[cop1211]

I read that during the Tomlin Fautanu draft call Tomlin told Fautanu your 7 out of 20,( meaning they had Fautanu ranked #7 overall).

[Jobu]

I read that during the Tomlin Fautanu draft call Tomlin told Fautanu your 7 out of 20,( meaning they had Fautanu ranked #7 overall).

Pat McAfee asked Omar about this. Omar said that it was someone at Fautana’s draft party that said this, and he believed it was referring to 7 of the first 20 picks being PAC 12 players.

[steelclan]

The two biggest changes I've seen with Khan/Weidl/Tomlin compared to Tomlin/Colbert:

*We seem to be drafting much more from an overall consensus top board which is leading to great value picks. I think Colbert was more old school in trusting his instincts and trusting his scouts, and probably more arrogant in that he didn't care where others across the league had a guy rated compared to his own eval.

*We seem more open to taking risks on guys with injury concerns.

I hate using the consensus draft board to do anything but help you decide where you have to move on prospects you want. Value is drafting John Stallworth in the 4th instead of Round 1--where you could easily have justified taking him, not drafting a guy who fell 20 spots lower on the consensus board because he has consensus value.

The only context I think it's reasonable to take a so-called value pick is when a player falls you have very highly rated but who plays a position that isn't of huge need for you. I.E.: If you think Patrick Mahomes is an elite QB prospect and he falls anywhere near your draft slot, you draft him or even trade up slightly to get him, even when you have a HOF QB already on the roster. If your #1 EDGE prospect falls to the third round and you don't have a player you love who has to be taken at that slot or missed, you take the EDGE. And so on.

Tomlin has always been a SPARQ guy. Athletics over football. You win some(Shazier, Timmons, Watt) and you lose some( Dupree, Edmunds, Burns). I think Wiedl has brought them back to trenches but still, Brodrick Jones is more of a SPARQ guy then a football player. Payton Wilson is a Tomlin player. My understanding ( which may be totally flawed) is that Colbert was more of a stat/college career type guy. Thus we got Jervis Jones , Devin Bush and Najee but also Cam Heyward. Getting away from the gut feeling/stats and more to the practical could really be paying off. Colberts weakness was day 3. We are not seeing that now.

Dupree wasn't a loss. He was an ok 1st round pick that priced out of Pittsburgh. Of course, when you compare him to TJ he is not going to fair well.

For PS he played in 83 games and had 40 sacks. That is approx 7-8 sacks a season. Plus he was a decent run defender.

[steelclan]

Seahags have some big time cap issues coming up and 2 WRs on major deals.

Of all the teams likely to move a receiver for a mid to late round draft pick Seattle seems the best candidate.

Lockett is 31 but he had a good year last season and still a viable deep threat. Plus has good history with Wilson.

a 4th or a 5th for Lockett? A decent option.

[tbsteel]

Good stuff. I guess my overall point was: I don't see Khan/Weidl taking Terrell Edmunds or Artie Burns in the first. Even if they liked the player, I think they'd be much more cognizant of the consensus value of the player to either be proactive and trade back to make sure they got better value, or by taking a guy who was available that just had much better overall value (such as Mason McCormick this year, which I think they did just because they had him rated much higher than that draft position and couldn't walk away from that value even though they had more pressing needs). Latter-day Colbert seemed really arrogant in the way he talked about their evaluations and how he approached the draft, which is why I don't think he gave a damn that most of the league saw Edwards as a third rounder since the Steelers eval was that he was a top talent and who cares what the rest of the league thinks, right? Khan strikes me as more of an analytical approach, which through two years I'm really enjoying.

Yeah, I kind of see both sides. I'm not sure I would have survived the 1974 Steelers Draft War Room... they apparently had their first 4 rounds of picks all at or near the top of their board at the beginning of the draft. The strategic wherewithal and patience to execute that draft was stunning. Imagine the temptation to move up plus the analysis/gut checks of which one to pick first?

One of the many reasons that's the greatest draft ever is that they neither picked consensus players that everyone thought were great value (hell, I'll bet you the modern draft coverage/analysis would have given them terrible grades on draft night) nor did they do a bunch of moving up to get players they wanted. They scouted better than everyone else except maybe the Cowboys, and they outflanked and outsmarted the Cowboys. They were the best at identifying and the best at winning the draft strategy.

hearing the 2024 front office almost moved up for Fautanu, considering the other prospects still on the board-- this is a red flag to me. No reason to move up unless you are moving up for the last prospect in a tier-- either no other great prospects after him or a big drop off after him at the position. Even then, all of the analytics of the draft say don't except for a QB. Not sure that situation qualified.

With just 2 drafts in the can Tomlin/Khan/Weidl look pretty good

Let’s remember a couple of things about Colbert before we regency bias bury him

- Got the Steelers to 3 Super Bowls in 6 years winning 2. That’s a dynasty level team

- Drafted Troy and Ike in the same draft, followed that up with Ben and Starks and a year later Miller and McFadden among others over that 3 year span. Troy and Ben are among the best ever to play the game

- It’s MUCH MUCH harder to draft for a solid team rather than the shitty team the Steelers are now

- More and more it looks like Kenny Touchdown had a a lot of Rooney fingerprints

[SteelerDayTrader]

[smithessmokin]

Seahags have some big time cap issues coming up and 2 WRs on major deals.

Of all the teams likely to move a receiver for a mid to late round draft pick Seattle seems the best candidate.

Lockett is 31 but he had a good year last season and still a viable deep threat. Plus has good history with Wilson.

a 4th or a 5th for Lockett? A decent option.

As much as I’d like to do that, I’d rather keep the pick and let Wilson play.