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Re: B2B 2025 Draft QB Stock Exchange

Post by jebrick » Tue Oct 15, 2024 1:51 pm

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Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:42 am
DJ U in the 5th
I wouldn't sign him as an UDFA


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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:49 pm

jebrick wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 1:51 pm
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:42 am
DJ U in the 5th
I wouldn't sign him as an UDFA
If he goes to the right team he could be great

I’d have zero problem spending a 5th
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:33 pm

SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:42 am
DJ U in the 5th
:lol: I think might be the worst draft take of the year thus far. He is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad, and not in a Michael Jackson or Samuel Jackson kinda way
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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:38 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:33 pm
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:42 am
DJ U in the 5th
:lol: I think might be the worst draft take of the year thus far. He is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad, and not in a Michael Jackson or Samuel Jackson kinda way
I disagree

I watched condensed versions of BC and GT

Didn’t look nearly as bad as some say

And HUGE arm with good mobility
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Post by Jobu » Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:39 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:33 pm
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:42 am
DJ U in the 5th
:lol: I think might be the worst draft take of the year thus far. He is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad, and not in a Michael Jackson or Samuel Jackson kinda way
A 58% career passer in college. He’s beyond baaaaaaaaaaaaaad!
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:45 pm

That isn’t the only measure but yeah that’s not good. I think he’s one of those guys that just lacks football sense.
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Post by Steeldrama » Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:28 pm

DJ U’s little brother made some plays for the Ducks from his DE spot against Ice and Charles’ Buckeyes
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Post by Jobu » Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:47 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:45 pm
That isn’t the only measure but yeah that’s not good. I think he’s one of those guys that just lacks football sense.
Not the only measure, but a significant one.
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:47 pm

Jobu wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:47 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:45 pm
That isn’t the only measure but yeah that’s not good. I think he’s one of those guys that just lacks football sense.
Not the only measure, but a significant one.
Some things that adversely affect comp % for CFB QBs:
1. Being asked to make 3rd down savior plays after run run on early downs
2. Poor surrounding talent
3. An offense that doesn’t spread the field and take easy throws—runs from tight formations instead

For example, Josh Allen really affected by #2
Will Levis (not that he’s panned out yet) extremely affected by all three, especially 1 & 3.

Florida, Oregon state & FSU have pretty dang good surrounding talent, and the constant in the lack of offensive success in the pass game is the QB.
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Post by Jobu » Wed Oct 16, 2024 5:02 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:47 pm
Jobu wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:47 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:45 pm
That isn’t the only measure but yeah that’s not good. I think he’s one of those guys that just lacks football sense.
Not the only measure, but a significant one.
Some things that adversely affect comp % for CFB QBs:
1. Being asked to make 3rd down savior plays after run run on early downs
2. Poor surrounding talent
3. An offense that doesn’t spread the field and take easy throws—runs from tight formations instead

For example, Josh Allen really affected by #2
Will Levis (not that he’s panned out yet) extremely affected by all three, especially 1 & 3.

Florida, Oregon state & FSU have pretty dang good surrounding talent, and the constant in the lack of offensive success in the pass game is the QB.
Fair enough.
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Post by jebrick » Sun Oct 20, 2024 1:38 pm

Not impressed with Milroe at all yesterday but someone will draft him as a "athletic" QB

Was not very impressed with the Tenn QB either but he is a freshman so ...

Until he got hurt, Rourke(IU) looked pretty good.

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Post by bradshaw2ben » Mon Oct 21, 2024 8:51 pm

jebrick wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2024 1:38 pm
Not impressed with Milroe at all yesterday but someone will draft him as a "athletic" QB

Was not very impressed with the Tenn QB either but he is a freshman so ...

Until he got hurt, Rourke(IU) looked pretty good.

Ward is a stud and will be #1 player in the 2025 draft.
I predict Ward won’t be the #1 pick and he won’t even be the first QB selected.

You’ll see the effect of college recruiting ranking and how it affects where players are drafted.

I don’t think a player has ever gone from zero star recruit to first overall, at least not in the modern era.
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Post by Steeldrama » Mon Oct 21, 2024 11:56 pm

Stock Down for Carson Beck

Stock WAY down for Quinn Ewers

Kid needs to avoid the NFL and hit that portal. Step aside for Arch.

Sark costing himself a National Title opting for blind loyalty to a VASTLY inferior QB (Some SERIOUS Irony in that Dr Pepper commerical)

Shit-off stupid

Beck?

Kid can spin it.

Said it once I'll say it again, his weapons SUCK.

Lotta dropped balls out there (I'm looking at YOU Luckie and Humphrey AND YOU ALLIGATOR ARMS LOVETT YOU PIECE OF SHIT)

Still,

I can't tell if Beck wants to shit himself or is just stoned out there. Probably a combination of the two.

Odd look about that cat.

I wouldn't touch him until day 3, but round 3 feels less jaded.

Two best players on the field Saturday night were linebackers

Anthony Hill and Jalon Walker a couple of bad dudes.
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Post by jebrick » Tue Oct 22, 2024 11:48 am

Steeldrama wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2024 11:56 pm
Stock Down for Carson Beck

Stock WAY down for Quinn Ewers

Kid needs to avoid the NFL and hit that portal. Step aside for Arch.

Sark costing himself a National Title opting for blind loyalty to a VASTLY inferior QB (Some SERIOUS Irony in that Dr Pepper commerical)

Shit-off stupid

Beck?

Kid can spin it.

Said it once I'll say it again, his weapons SUCK.

Lotta dropped balls out there (I'm looking at YOU Luckie and Humphrey AND YOU ALLIGATOR ARMS LOVETT YOU PIECE OF SHIT)

Still,

I can't tell if Beck wants to shit himself or is just stoned out there. Probably a combination of the two.

Odd look about that cat.

I wouldn't touch him until day 3, but round 3 feels less jaded.

Two best players on the field Saturday night were linebackers

Anthony Hill and Jalon Walker a couple of bad dudes.
If Beck wants to fall to the Steelers pick then woohoo!! Only thing I really have against him is his arm.
Howard is another one I would take in the 2nd.
I also like the LSU QB but I think he needs to go back for another year.
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Post by Ice » Tue Oct 22, 2024 12:38 pm

I'm at the point now where I'm starting to not really want any of these guys, with the exception of Ward, who we can't (and probably wouldn't) get, particularly in the early rounds. It's not that I'm super-hyped about our in-house duo, either, it's just the point of the season where a lot of the warts have become more clearly visible, and oh, yeah, the Steelers absolutely blow at development at the position.
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Post by OhioSteeler » Tue Oct 22, 2024 3:01 pm

jebrick wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2024 11:48 am
Steeldrama wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2024 11:56 pm
Stock Down for Carson Beck

Stock WAY down for Quinn Ewers

Kid needs to avoid the NFL and hit that portal. Step aside for Arch.

Sark costing himself a National Title opting for blind loyalty to a VASTLY inferior QB (Some SERIOUS Irony in that Dr Pepper commerical)

Shit-off stupid

Beck?

Kid can spin it.

Said it once I'll say it again, his weapons SUCK.

Lotta dropped balls out there (I'm looking at YOU Luckie and Humphrey AND YOU ALLIGATOR ARMS LOVETT YOU PIECE OF SHIT)

Still,

I can't tell if Beck wants to shit himself or is just stoned out there. Probably a combination of the two.

Odd look about that cat.

I wouldn't touch him until day 3, but round 3 feels less jaded.

Two best players on the field Saturday night were linebackers

Anthony Hill and Jalon Walker a couple of bad dudes.
If Beck wants to fall to the Steelers pick then woohoo!! Only thing I really have against him is his arm.
Howard is another one I would take in the 2nd.
I also like the LSU QB but I think he needs to go back for another year.
I'm still struggling to get a good gauge on Howard. He has the feel of a good Point Guard and he's also throwing to Egbuka and Smith. His accuracy on downfield throws leaves a lot to be desired. He's a good runner, but he hasn't really had to go that route with the weapons at his disposal this year.

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Post by bradshaw2ben » Tue Oct 22, 2024 3:26 pm

jebrick wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2024 11:48 am
Steeldrama wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2024 11:56 pm
Stock Down for Carson Beck

Stock WAY down for Quinn Ewers

Kid needs to avoid the NFL and hit that portal. Step aside for Arch.

Sark costing himself a National Title opting for blind loyalty to a VASTLY inferior QB (Some SERIOUS Irony in that Dr Pepper commerical)

Shit-off stupid

Beck?

Kid can spin it.

Said it once I'll say it again, his weapons SUCK.

Lotta dropped balls out there (I'm looking at YOU Luckie and Humphrey AND YOU ALLIGATOR ARMS LOVETT YOU PIECE OF SHIT)

Still,

I can't tell if Beck wants to shit himself or is just stoned out there. Probably a combination of the two.

Odd look about that cat.

I wouldn't touch him until day 3, but round 3 feels less jaded.

Two best players on the field Saturday night were linebackers

Anthony Hill and Jalon Walker a couple of bad dudes.
If Beck wants to fall to the Steelers pick then woohoo!! Only thing I really have against him is his arm.
Howard is another one I would take in the 2nd.
I also like the LSU QB but I think he needs to go back for another year.
Carson Beck is so very Kenny Pickett like. Like imagine Pickett playing in the SEC and there you have it.

Nussmeier is, to my eye, the most NFL-ready of CFB prospecrs… but he also has arm limitations that might affect his ceiling. I would think a nice run by LSU and he’ll never have more draft value. Next year seems to have more competition for guys perceived as Rd 1 QBs
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Post by Steeldrama » Tue Oct 22, 2024 3:31 pm

If Beck wants to fall to the Steelers pick then woohoo!! Only thing I really have against him is his arm.
In the 1st round???

Ohhh dude I'd be heading to Best Buy for my new flat screen.

Terrible footwork and decision making compounded by being COMPLETELY RATTLED in yet another big road game in the SEC.

Noooo thank you.

I;m probably too close to it

Hopefully Beck and the offense gets their shit together QUICKLY

A Will Howard type on day 2 with Russ Wilson the bridge probably the direction the Steelers go, but a lot of football left to be played.
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Post by Ice » Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:22 am

Only one half in the books, but I think we can go ahead and say stock down on Kyle McCord :lol:

So much for Filliponi's "the best pocket passer in the country will beat you 31-30" pregame tweet. Bout as accurate as everything else on that platform.

Soon as there was a big game, the big game version of Kyle McCord I not-so-fondly remember from his stint in Columbus showed up like clockwork. Hard pass.

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Post by bradshaw2ben » Fri Oct 25, 2024 11:58 am

Dang that was as brutal a half of football as you’ll ever see.
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Post by jebrick » Sat Nov 02, 2024 7:25 pm

Can't sure if I am not impressed with Allar or Frainklin. I do think Allar should go back to school but perhaps transfer to a place with a decent QB coach.
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Post by jebrick » Sat Nov 02, 2024 8:45 pm

Beck's decision making has been pretty bad. He does not have the arm to make those mistakes
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Sun Nov 03, 2024 12:10 am

jebrick wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2024 8:45 pm
Beck's decision making has been pretty bad. He does not have the arm to make those mistakes
Did I mention the Kenny Pickett-ness?
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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Mon Nov 04, 2024 3:43 pm

- I think the Steelers will sign Russ
- Both Fields and Kyle Allen bring something to the table as backups. Neither will be highly sought after. I bet they sign one and draft a QB late OR wait for cuts to start happening and grab a 3 there
- Could they sign both ?? Maybe but they both would need to take backup money
- If the Steelers sign Russ they aren’t drafting a QB til day 3 IMO


Cmon down DJ U or Taylen Green you’re the next contestant on Steelers 3rd string QB
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Post by jebrick » Mon Nov 04, 2024 4:05 pm

SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2024 3:43 pm
- I think the Steelers will sign Russ
- Both Fields and Kyle Allen bring something to the table as backups. Neither will be highly sought after. I bet they sign one and draft a QB late OR wait for cuts to start happening and grab a 3 there
- Could they sign both ?? Maybe but they both would need to take backup money
- If the Steelers sign Russ they aren’t drafting a QB til day 3 IMO


Cmon down DJ U or Taylen Green you’re the next contestant on Steelers 3rd string QB
i would disagree on when they draft a QB. I think it could be day one because either Wilson or Fields is a bridge QB at this point.

QBs will drift down in this draft due to lack of excitement. Ward and Sanders going high and all others falling back. I think Allar and Nussmeier go back to school. If not, I would draft Nussmeier if he fell into the teens.
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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Mon Nov 04, 2024 5:23 pm

jebrick wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2024 4:05 pm
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2024 3:43 pm
- I think the Steelers will sign Russ
- Both Fields and Kyle Allen bring something to the table as backups. Neither will be highly sought after. I bet they sign one and draft a QB late OR wait for cuts to start happening and grab a 3 there
- Could they sign both ?? Maybe but they both would need to take backup money
- If the Steelers sign Russ they aren’t drafting a QB til day 3 IMO


Cmon down DJ U or Taylen Green you’re the next contestant on Steelers 3rd string QB
i would disagree on when they draft a QB. I think it could be day one because either Wilson or Fields is a bridge QB at this point.

QBs will drift down in this draft due to lack of excitement. Ward and Sanders going high and all others falling back. I think Allar and Nussmeier go back to school. If not, I would draft Nussmeier if he fell into the teens.
I agree on the bridge QB idea

I think the Steelers will hit the draft with quick starter upgrades possibly on their mind at both OT spots 2 DL spots RB and off ball linebacker

Are they gonna grab a QB in the first over a premium D side need player ?? I doubt it

Are they gonna look at the QBs available in the 50s + and think they GOTTA grab that guy for the future of the franchise immediately after giving Russ a 4 year deal to run an offense that wants to run more than they pass ?? I kinda doubt it

Assuming they nailed the first two rounds and got their guys are they gonna see a QB in the 3rd they like over more immediate needs ? Perhaps. No one fucks up a possibly great draft better than the Steelers lol but I bet we will all be pissed with our 3rd spent on a 3rd at QB lol


In short I just don’t see the Steelers spending a 1st or 2nd on a QB unless Russ really collapses

And in my mind I think that means a 3rd given what will be left is not happening either
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Post by jebrick » Mon Nov 04, 2024 7:10 pm

And I do not see Russ or Fields getting more than a 3 year deal. If you are not taking a QB high then you are looking at a backup at that point you might as well not take a QB at all.
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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Tue Nov 05, 2024 1:01 am

If the Steelers sign Russ NO WAY will they draft a QB in the 1st. At 50s + will they draft a QB after all the teams who must draft a QB and a few others who are gonna grab talent for the future ? I really doubt it especially considering they will likely have at least 3 - 6 other starter spots they’d like to upgrade AND they KNOW there is gonna be a plethora of cheap FA vet QB talent available before the season starts

I just don’t see which QB is gonna be there at 50+ in the 2nd or 82+ in the 3rd that the Steelers are gonna say we GOTTA grab that guy now
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Tue Nov 05, 2024 2:32 pm

I think there are only 3 teams who seem poised to take a QB or trade/acquire one:

Cleveland
Vegas
Giants

two more who should, but look like they might not
NYJ
CAR

There will be QBs on the market in the offseason:

Darnold
maybe Penix
Daniel Jones

Add to that: many "insiders" saying they don't think the QBs are worth top 5 picks.

Feels like PIT could move up with acceptable damage to draft capital and get the 2nd or 3rd QB drafted. Could be Shadeur Sanders, Milroe, Beck, Gabriel, Ward are viewed in any order by some teams. Long way to go in building their draft resumés.
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Post by jebrick » Tue Nov 05, 2024 2:43 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 2:32 pm
I think there are only 3 teams who seem poised to take a QB or trade/acquire one:

Cleveland
Vegas
Giants

two more who should, but look like they might not
NYJ
CAR

There will be QBs on the market in the offseason:

Darnold
maybe Penix
Daniel Jones

Add to that: many "insiders" saying they don't think the QBs are worth top 5 picks.

Feels like PIT could move up with acceptable damage to draft capital and get the 2nd or 3rd QB drafted. Could be Shadeur Sanders, Milroe, Beck, Gabriel, Ward are viewed in any order by some teams. Long way to go in building their draft resumés.
If the right guy fell, you might see teams trading up into the 1st round to pick one QB up. Again, I would do it for Nussmeier. Any of the Qbs named would need a year on the bench and I would totally hate a Milroe pick.

Also, QBs are over valued so a team might move up for one even though they are not the best prospect there.

Will be interested because Sanders has seemed to favor going to the Raiders in his social media.
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