Poll....curious

[stairway 2 seven]

If Tomlin doesn't win a playoff game this year i think changes are made. I hope they go on a run and win it all but 9 years going on 10 without a playoff win with same coach is too much to spin. Cant imagine the heckeling at the draft that the Steelers are hosting.

[W&M_Steeler]

Yes my beef is ultimately with Art2. And so should everyone else who wants to see success and more championships

See Andy Reid for undeniable fact

You mean the Andy Ried that instead of kicking a FG and going up 13 to 10, went for it on 4th and didn't make it. Allowing the Texans to go up 17 to 10. That Andy Ried or the SB Andy Ried?

Is that the same Andy Reid with Multiple SB trophies this decade?
I think he's got a ton of equity to balance out his silly decisions, don't you?

Who cares that Reid has won multiple Super Bowls recently? He has had losing seasons, so that conclusively makes him a worse coach than Tomlin! Non-losing seasons are the ultimate goal. Isn't that right, Texas?

[Ice]

I would love for the Steelers to win a Super Bowl this year.

I would also like a Ferrari for Christmas.

I just wish I didn't know which one has a more realistic chance of happening.

[Steeldrama]

I would love for the Steelers to win a Super Bowl this year.

I would also like a Ferrari for Christmas.

I just wish I didn't know which one has a more realistic chance of happening.

...Ohhh I do...

...would you like that in red or black, Mr. Ice?

[Ice]

Exactly! And Rosso Corsa over Cuoio leather, please!

[Texas Black & Gold]

Essentially, "Coach Tomlin not the problem..."

https://youtube.com/shorts/1VQaG0iFMnM? ... fjhPvA1n81

[955876]

Nothing anybody on these message board wants, cries and stomps their feet about.....wait for it....is gonna mean a goddamn fucking thing.

True.

However, fans booing at home games, fans booing on the road, fans booing at the draft, fans booing at hockey games will eventually push the dumb Dunce to make a change.

It will happen.

It won’t happen if we keep breaking even while making a playoff appearance once in a while.

That why those who actually want us to be legitimate again don’t want us to win as it prolongs the hopelessness.

Shit, if we manage to squeak out a wildcard win you guys in your 60s, 70s and beyond might not ever see another Steelers coach in your lifetime.

How depressing would that be?

[955876]

Essentially, "Coach Tomlin not the problem..."

https://youtube.com/shorts/1VQaG0iFMnM? ... fjhPvA1n81

And you still believe in Santa Claus.

Tomlin is the problem. Period.

[Texas Black & Gold]

Essentially, "Coach Tomlin not the problem..."

https://youtube.com/shorts/1VQaG0iFMnM? ... fjhPvA1n81

And you still believe in Santa Claus.

Tomlin is the problem. Period.

Not the 100% problem. Period.

[DumlinBumlinStumlin]

Essentially, "Coach Tomlin not the problem..."

https://youtube.com/shorts/1VQaG0iFMnM? ... fjhPvA1n81

And you still believe in Santa Claus.

Tomlin is the problem. Period.

Not the 100% problem. Period.

Truth is both Rooney Art2 and Tomlin are the main problems, a rudderless loudspeaker, with weak operational plans, and an owner who applies a slush dollar amount to account for the Steelers Cash cow perception

[K_C_]

Nothing anybody on these message board wants, cries and stomps their feet about.....wait for it....is gonna mean a goddamn fucking thing.

True.

However, fans booing at home games, fans booing on the road, fans booing at the draft, fans booing at hockey games will eventually push the dumb Dunce to make a change.

It will happen.

It won’t happen if we keep breaking even while making a playoff appearance once in a while.

That why those who actually want us to be legitimate again don’t want us to win as it prolongs the hopelessness.

Shit, if we manage to squeak out a wildcard win you guys in your 60s, 70s and beyond might not ever see another Steelers coach in your lifetime.

How depressing would that be?

Here's where we disagree:

9-8 isn't enough anymore.

A wildcard playoff ass beating isn't enough anymore.

In fact, I think Tomlin making the playoffs at 9-8, in a terrible division, then getting his shit pushed makes him actually look worse than finishing 7-10 and missing the playoffs.

The entire country will watch Buffalo or Houston or whoever beat Tomlin and the Steelers 34-12 (4 Boz field goals) and there will be shitloads of outcry for Tomlin to be fired or for him to step down.

It's that simple.

If Tomlin wants to call off the dogs, dude better not only get to the playoffs this season, he needs to win a game....and we all know that ain't gonna happen.

But I'm for sure going to be rooting that it does.

[955876]

Essentially, "Coach Tomlin not the problem..."

https://youtube.com/shorts/1VQaG0iFMnM? ... fjhPvA1n81

And you still believe in Santa Claus.

Tomlin is the problem. Period.

Not the 100% problem. Period.

Or course, the idiot that signs his checks is a huge part of the problem as well.

But all things football related IS Jibba’s doing. Only a blind homer fanboy would think otherwise.

He picks the players. He determines the scheme. He decides how conservative or aggressive we will be. He chooses who plays.

It’s his team.

His team sucks.

It’s on him.

Sorry but your hero is a fraud.

[955876]

In fact, I think Tomlin making the playoffs at 9-8, in a terrible division, then getting his shit pushed makes him actually look worse than finishing 7-10 and missing the playoffs.

I guarantee that Art sees it the way I do.

Art is on record stating the playoffs are a crap shoot once there. So I know damn well he would be more happy with a winning record and playoff appearance than he would going 7-10 in that same shitty division.

Your logic is highly flawed here.

No way in hell Art would be less pleased with a playoff appearance (albeit a losing one) vs missing the playoffs altogether after starting the year 4-1.

[Gonzo]

I think the real initial decision for Rooney is whether they start over or not -- re-build personnel and starting with this draft and who leads that.
If they make the playoffs and win a game they may decide to do it w/Tomlin
if they dont make the playoffs or get stomped first round at home by the Bills, then I think they all decide to start completely fresh
of course it will all be spun to make it look good for the organization and Tomlin

but, if they decide no re-build is required ... just find a FA QB and draft -- then i have no doubt they keep Tomlin no matter how this season ends

[K_C_]

In fact, I think Tomlin making the playoffs at 9-8, in a terrible division, then getting his shit pushed makes him actually look worse than finishing 7-10 and missing the playoffs.

I guarantee that Art sees it the way I do.

Art is on record stating the playoffs are a crap shoot once there. So I know damn well he would be more happy with a winning record and playoff appearance than he would going 7-10 in that same shitty division.

Your logic is highly flawed here.

No way in hell Art would be less pleased with a playoff appearance (albeit a losing one) vs missing the playoffs altogether after starting the year 4-1.

Tomlin could go 7-10 and he isn't getting fired. He might choose to leave on his own, agree to a trade (probably least likely) or he could go into the broadcasting booth, but he isn't getting fired.

The NHALS means absolutely nothing to anybody anymore. Not even the Rooneys. Tomlin will get much more bad press if the Steelers luck into the playoffs and take another gigantic ass beating at the hands of a real team. That will actually be much more embarrassing than losing out this season (which both you and I know won't happen.)

If Tomlin loses another playoff game, his postseason record will be waaaaaay under .500.

Holy Christ that will be embarrassing.

[K_C_]

I think the real initial decision for Rooney is whether they start over or not -- re-build personnel and starting with this draft and who leads that.
If they make the playoffs and win a game they may decide to do it w/Tomlin
if they dont make the playoffs or get stomped first round at home by the Bills, then I think they all decide to start completely fresh
of course it will all be spun to make it look good for the organization and Tomlin

but, if they decide no re-build is required ... just find a FA QB and draft -- then i have no doubt they keep Tomlin no matter how this season ends

Yep, I have to agree with this post.

[955876]

In fact, I think Tomlin making the playoffs at 9-8, in a terrible division, then getting his shit pushed makes him actually look worse than finishing 7-10 and missing the playoffs.

I guarantee that Art sees it the way I do.

Art is on record stating the playoffs are a crap shoot once there. So I know damn well he would be more happy with a winning record and playoff appearance than he would going 7-10 in that same shitty division.

Your logic is highly flawed here.

No way in hell Art would be less pleased with a playoff appearance (albeit a losing one) vs missing the playoffs altogether after starting the year 4-1.

Tomlin could go 7-10 and he isn't getting fired. He might choose to leave on his own, agree to a trade (probably least likely) or he could go into the broadcasting booth, but he isn't getting fired.

The NHALS means absolutely nothing to anybody anymore. Not even the Rooneys. Tomlin will get much more bad press if the Steelers luck into the playoffs and take another gigantic ass beating at the hands of a real team. That will actually be much more embarrassing than losing out this season (which both you and I know won't happen.)

If Tomlin loses another playoff game, his postseason record will be waaaaaay under .500.

Holy Christ that will be embarrassing.

I don’t think either one of us can speak for Art.

I do know however he’s said himself the playoffs are a crap shoot once you are there.

So my guess is that he is more satisfied making the playoffs and losing than he is not making the playoffs at all.

Either one makes Jibbs look bad. Especially not making the playoffs after starting 4-1 in our garbage division.

[Dan Smith--BYU]

The playoffs are a crap shoot unless its the Steelers who are a reliable L.

[Ice]

The playoffs are a crap shoot unless its the Steelers who are a reliable L.

Believe it was Nick Wright who coined the phrase "better than a bye week" a few years back...

[StillerDownSouth]

I am actually semi annoyed day won

Not just because the best path to getting rid of Tomlin is a streak of L’s

But also because they should’ve lost

The penalty on the Boswell field goal attempt that gave them a first down was pretty bogus
Agree, but it was close, really a judgement call based on what the ref saw.

The The New York review Crew overturning the ravens touchdown to give them the lead was blatantly bad
Never completed the football move aspect of the catch, also happened on 1st and 10 from the 13, Ravens had 3 more plays to get a first down. Also, had it been called a TD, there would have been 2:47 left and Steelers would have been down either 1 or 3, plenty of time to get into FG range.

The Aaron Rodgers, catching of his batted pass was pretty freaking suspect as well
This was absolutely the correct call, Rogers had as much possession with a knee down as the defender, tie goes to offense.

So at the end of the day, the Steelers won as reflection of a bunch of fluke plays, and quite possibly manipulation by the league

You left out the pass Flowers caught on the opening drive on 3rd down that led to a FG, which was also very questionable.

I’ve seen the Steelers get fucked over the years way too much to feel sorry for getting the better end of a few calls this past Sunday.

[StillerDownSouth]

My 2 cents on Tomlin, I believe he wants to coach year 20, he’s under contract next year, with a team option for 2027, I believe next year will be his last, no matter what happens. To me it really doesn’t matter who the coach is, because Rooney won’t hire a young offensive minded coach which I want, instead he’s going to hire another defensive guy.

I’ve been a Steelers fan since the 70’s, the only time they’ve truly competed for championships is when they had 12 and 7, so IMO it really doesn’t make a shit who the coach is until they get their next HOF QB.

[K_C_]

I guarantee that Art sees it the way I do.

Art is on record stating the playoffs are a crap shoot once there. So I know damn well he would be more happy with a winning record and playoff appearance than he would going 7-10 in that same shitty division.

Your logic is highly flawed here.

No way in hell Art would be less pleased with a playoff appearance (albeit a losing one) vs missing the playoffs altogether after starting the year 4-1.

Tomlin could go 7-10 and he isn't getting fired. He might choose to leave on his own, agree to a trade (probably least likely) or he could go into the broadcasting booth, but he isn't getting fired.

The NHALS means absolutely nothing to anybody anymore. Not even the Rooneys. Tomlin will get much more bad press if the Steelers luck into the playoffs and take another gigantic ass beating at the hands of a real team. That will actually be much more embarrassing than losing out this season (which both you and I know won't happen.)

If Tomlin loses another playoff game, his postseason record will be waaaaaay under .500.

Holy Christ that will be embarrassing.

I don’t think either one of us can speak for Art.

I do know however he’s said himself the playoffs are a crap shoot once you are there.

So my guess is that he is more satisfied making the playoffs and losing than he is not making the playoffs at all.

Either one makes Jibbs look bad. Especially not making the playoffs after starting 4-1 in our garbage division.

I'm not speaking for the Rooney's, and yes you might be correct that simply making the playoffs is enough for ownership.

I DO know, however, that when the Steelers get absolutely fucking BOAT RACED....AGAIN...in their lone playoff game, that will be another massive embarrassment, and drives Tomlin's postseason record into what can only be seen as "laughable."

I can see Mikey T.'s face already, in Buffalo. It's snowing and we lose by 40.

Sure, I'd love to see an upset, but that ain't happening with this team as it's currently constructed.

We're going to get prison raped with no lube and the media will have a field day.

[Steeldrama]

We're going to get prison raped with no lube and the media will have a field day.

Nah

The Dick Eisens will all play the race card

Snow is white

Duh

[swissvale72]

Tomlin could go 7-10 and he isn't getting fired. He might choose to leave on his own, agree to a trade (probably least likely) or he could go into the broadcasting booth, but he isn't getting fired.

The NHALS means absolutely nothing to anybody anymore. Not even the Rooneys. Tomlin will get much more bad press if the Steelers luck into the playoffs and take another gigantic ass beating at the hands of a real team. That will actually be much more embarrassing than losing out this season (which both you and I know won't happen.)

If Tomlin loses another playoff game, his postseason record will be waaaaaay under .500.

Holy Christ that will be embarrassing.

I don’t think either one of us can speak for Art.

I do know however he’s said himself the playoffs are a crap shoot once you are there.

So my guess is that he is more satisfied making the playoffs and losing than he is not making the playoffs at all.

Either one makes Jibbs look bad. Especially not making the playoffs after starting 4-1 in our garbage division.

I'm not speaking for the Rooney's, and yes you might be correct that simply making the playoffs is enough for ownership.

I DO know, however, that when the Steelers get absolutely fucking BOAT RACED....AGAIN...in their lone playoff game, that will be another massive embarrassment, and drives Tomlin's postseason record into what can only be seen as "laughable."

I can see Mikey T.'s face already, in Buffalo. It's snowing and we lose by 40.

Sure, I'd love to see an upset, but that ain't happening with this team as it's currently constructed.

We're going to get prison raped with no lube and the media will have a field day.

Wont be IN Buffalo, KC

[K_C_]

I don’t think either one of us can speak for Art.

I do know however he’s said himself the playoffs are a crap shoot once you are there.

So my guess is that he is more satisfied making the playoffs and losing than he is not making the playoffs at all.

Either one makes Jibbs look bad. Especially not making the playoffs after starting 4-1 in our garbage division.

I'm not speaking for the Rooney's, and yes you might be correct that simply making the playoffs is enough for ownership.

I DO know, however, that when the Steelers get absolutely fucking BOAT RACED....AGAIN...in their lone playoff game, that will be another massive embarrassment, and drives Tomlin's postseason record into what can only be seen as "laughable."

I can see Mikey T.'s face already, in Buffalo. It's snowing and we lose by 40.

Sure, I'd love to see an upset, but that ain't happening with this team as it's currently constructed.

We're going to get prison raped with no lube and the media will have a field day.

Wont be IN Buffalo, KC

I'm not sure it matters, Swiss.

Like you, I root for the Steelers to win and for NHALS purposes, yesterday proves Cool Shades has a horseshoe up his ass.

Come playoff time, his beautiful coach turns into a pumpkin. This isn't a very good football team at all, on either side of the ball.

If they make the playoffs, it's going to be a real short stay. I wish that wasn't the case, but it is.

[K_C_]

We're going to get prison raped with no lube and the media will have a field day.

Nah

The Dick Eisens will all play the race card

Snow is white

Duh

I don't think the race card can ever be played again when it comes to Tomlin.

You have former players, who are also African American who are saying it's time for him to go.

Highly respected dudes like James Harrison and Ryan Clark.

Then a future first ballot HOF QB, who has always been very careful when discussing Tomlin, said it's time for both parties to go their own way.

The only thing that can save Tomlin and will bring him back in the good graces of fans is winning....and I don't mean finishing 1 game over .500 in the regular season. That shit is waaaaay played out.

[Havoc]

Essentially, "Coach Tomlin not the problem..."

https://youtube.com/shorts/1VQaG0iFMnM? ... fjhPvA1n81

12 out of the last 14 seasons with ZERO playoff wins.

Indefensible that he's still here.

[langer]

Coach T has transcended being an NFL head coach, he's something else, he means something else to his defenders.

They obviously don't care about the reality of it all, or that he kisses them in the face after a bizarre win.

They all squealed like teens. Coach T knows his audience.

[.Kodiak]

Tomlin could have been a GREAT cult leader.

But, no, he wanted to coach football

[gojira5150]

I don't root against the Steelers, I root against that clown Jibba Jabba. I can't stand him and what he's down to this franchise. I don't care what it takes but I want him gone. If that means losses, then so be it. Addition by subtraction.

Until he's gone, I just don't care anymore. I have not bought Steelers merchandise for the last 3 years. This once great franchise is a joke now and the only thing that matters is NHALS

How come Cowher (whose 10X the coach Jibba is) can get the ultimatum but Jibba can't.