Tomlin Article Good Read

[anpsteel]

my favorite part is from Najee as I dont think he is just talking about Canada

A few days earlier, then-Steelers running back Najee Harris was more transparent. “You could do two things,” Harris said. “You could look at the record and say, ‘OK, we’re still good right now.’ Or we could look at the record and be like, ‘If we keep playing this type of football, how long is that shit going to last?’ I look at it like, ‘How long that shit going to last?’ Y’all could look at it like it’s a good record, but I mean, it’s the NFL. Winning how we did, it’s not going to get us nowhere.”

I wish there were more Najee Harrises calling out mediocre Mike

[Obviously]

The high floor low ceiling description is perfect. That's exactly who he is, and why he'd be the perfect coach for the Jets, Raiders, etc. He could go those places and compete week in week out. Increase ticket sales. Etc.

The question is why the Pittsburgh Steelers would accept this.

Because the owner is a chickenshit and lives in his fears more than the coach


Playing not to lose is absolutely Art’s mentality

His absolutely fine with having winning seasons, and his commented that in replacing Tomlin, the team could do worse.

I'd take it one step further and say Art II is absolutely in love with optics and the "three head coaches since 1969" shit far more than winning Lombardis and/or playoff success. I'll bet he gets wood every time he hears some talking head mentioning the "stability" of the Steelers organization.

[Obviously]

https://www.theringer.com/2025/12/30/nf ... ike-tomlin

I hadn't realized that they picked Claypool hours picks before Jalen Hurts. That enrages me until I realize Tomlin would probably fuck him up, too.

[W&M_Steeler]

It was def discussed as a why trade those picks move now on these pages.

Memory's mostly intact...remembering Jim Bradshaws 3 picks for first of two wins, and most recent win in Philly in '65 (60 years ago), but failing apparently on the minkah trade talk.

There was plenty of skepticism of the trade at the time. That was when the board was having some problems, so there aren't threads left from the day of the trade, but here's an interesting thread from shortly thereafter:

https://forumsnew.sportsandshit.com/vie ... p?f=2&t=49

[W&M_Steeler]

Here's another interesting thread from September 2019. 6 years later and everything has only gotten worse: https://forumsnew.sportsandshit.com/vie ... p?f=2&t=64

[W&M_Steeler]

And here's an interesting thread from September 2014. Several here identified Tomlin as a problem even then. I was bitching about the talent level then- what I wouldn't give to have that talent back now

https://forumsnew.sportsandshit.com/vie ... 327a05e852

[Deebo]

here is the link from story on this podcast where Tomlin discusses his greatest weakness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsJ2Pq8L1-M

In 2022, Tomlin made an appearance on The Pivot Podcast with former NFL players Ryan Clark, Channing Crowder, and Fred Taylor. One clip from his interview went viral, with Tomlin talking about the qualities he prioritizes as a coach.

I love coaches that resist the responsibility of coaches. That talk negatively about a dude that can’t learn, and blah, blah. Man, if everybody could learn, we’d need less coaches. If the group didn’t need management, then we wouldn’t make as much. I love reading draft evals, and somebody’s talking about anything other than pedigree. Talking about how poor somebody’s hand usage is. Well, that’s coaching. I don’t run away from coaching. I run to coaching. It all is in line with not seeking comfort. Because when you’re a coach that’s talking about somebody that can’t learn, you’re seeking comfort, because your teaching is struggling.

He is certainly the Anti-Noll. Noll gave criticism of his guys to improve or sit on the pine, demanded success

What is funny is that when Harris asked Tomlin to teach him fundamentals, Tomlin blew him off. From this article you'd think he'd LOVE the opportunity.

What Tomlin says and what he does is not congruent.

[bradshaw2ben]

The only things missing from this article:
1. the win-now mentality... we are just one or two players away... they traded away 1 st round pick to avoid NHALS in a year when they had no chance to go to the Super Bowl and could really have had a nice draft slot to rebuild. And that's the thing about 2018 that pissed off Ben: I'm nearing the end of my prime and we really are close, so you go and spend two draft picks to select a crappy QB no one else thinks is a future franchise guy. That was what stuck in Ben's craw-- 'I'm killing myself to try and get back to a title game and you're doing next to nothing to help me. No highly-drafted OL in 8 years, few offensive weapons for the passing game... not even an elite defender... then you pick a mid QB.'

2. Ben wasn't respected enough by Tomlin or assertive enough to overcome the guardrails. The guardrails were there, Ben just dealt with them and pushing back on them outside of the spotlight and in an admittedly passive-aggressive way.

Yea. Focusing on one for a bit, the entire organization is all in every season on NHALS. They may frame it differently even to themselves, that maybe they think they're right there, but they go all in every year even when it's obvious they have no chance.

People (hi, Swiss!) claim that they don't really care about NNALS. That they don't chase it. Tomlin says this, but can anyone explain the logic of dumping 2 first round picks into a FS the year they lost Roethlisberger as anything beyond an attempt to preserve NHALS?

As for point 2, it wouldn't be an article even semi-defending Tomlin that didn't take gratuitous shots at Ben. The media hates him. Always will hate him. Tomlin gets his flowers for simply NHALS. Roethlisberger has the same thing on his resume (ok, 7-8 in 2006). Was there the entire time with Tomlin. Won most of those close games for him. But it's just like trash him. The further we get from Ben retiring the more we can laugh at the people who say that Ben set the franchise back. Every failed QB decision made since basically makes a mockery of that notion.

I'm not denying that the Steelers chase the best record possible. My point has been that I find it hard to believe that the Steelers actual play selection is a derivative of whether they're assured of a non-losing season.

And as for the mid-season trade of a #1 pick for Minka Fitzpatrick, don't remember much criticism of that trade on this esteemed website, especially once minkah arrived and was making plays.

Are you kidding? You have a short memory. The overwhelming reaction was that Minkah was a great player but that the org desperately needed a top 10 type draft pick so they could land the successor QB and reload. Without Minkah, they were 100% headed that way. With him they squeaked by NHALS and lost out on what became Justin Herbert.

[DumlinBumlinStumlin]

It was def discussed as a why trade those picks move now on these pages.

Memory's mostly intact...remembering Jim Bradshaws 3 picks for first of two wins, and most recent win in Philly in '65 (60 years ago), but failing apparently on the minkah trade talk.

There was plenty of skepticism of the trade at the time. That was when the board was having some problems, so there aren't threads left from the day of the trade, but here's an interesting thread from shortly thereafter:

https://forumsnew.sportsandshit.com/vie ... p?f=2&t=49

RON - nails it

Re: It’s been a long time since I’ve...
Post by R~O~N » Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:42 pm

Yeah, people fell for the schtick. The smooth talk, clever cliches, and aviators. Saw how he won with team Cowher, and subsequently drank the Kool Aid. My only hope is that Rooney will return from his sabbatical atop Mt. St. Righteous and realize that just because you critique Tomlin and his every present clock management ineptitude, challenge challenges, and personnel gaffs (Jervis, Shamrocko, and Dud Goofree, to name a few), it doesn’t make you a racist. It’s makes you a realist.

What we do know and accept is Art the Lessor is a potted plant, and just an awful owner at this point.

[langer]

If a guy that is running a football team that loses that way to the Browns in a must-win game says out loud, in front of people, to the media, that he thought his team played well is still employed on Monday there is a serious issue with the entire organization. This cultural rot runs though it all.

He didn't even couch his words, just came out and said it.

He is judged on a different scale than others.

Has the jagoff listed his house yet? He might want to move out into a gated community with armed guards.

"where Tomlin discusses his greatest weakness"

His greatest weakness is that he is just too good.

[955876]

Jibba Jabber has ruined this franchise all the while fooling his owner into believing he is the key cog and vital to our “success”.

Cannot wait till the day both are gone.

[955876]

What Tomlin says and what he does is not congruent

This is usually the 1st domino that falls. Once one realizes this man is full of shit and 99.9999% of what he says is literally just stuff he says and not actually what he does you then start looking at him and his actions much more closely.

And once you do that oh boy. You see a complete and total fraud.

Flush this turd Monday morning. Please oh please.

[DumlinBumlinStumlin]

If a guy that is running a football team that loses that way to the Browns in a must-win game says out loud, in front of people, to the media, that he thought his team played well is still employed on Monday there is a serious issue with the entire organization. This cultural rot runs though it all.

He didn't even couch his words, just came out and said it.

He is judged on a different scale than others.

Has the jagoff listed his house yet? He might want to move out into a gated community with armed guards.

"where Tomlin discusses his greatest weakness"

His greatest weakness is that he is just too good.

Tomlin = FIGJAM

[langer]

Tomlins scam has been a structural part of the Steelers for decades.

Same shit every single fuckin year. Management endorses it apparently. I could draw parallels to a certain state in the news embroiled in fraud and corruption.

Amazin.

[CKSteeler]

here is the link from story on this podcast where Tomlin discusses his greatest weakness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsJ2Pq8L1-M

In 2022, Tomlin made an appearance on The Pivot Podcast with former NFL players Ryan Clark, Channing Crowder, and Fred Taylor. One clip from his interview went viral, with Tomlin talking about the qualities he prioritizes as a coach.

I love coaches that resist the responsibility of coaches. That talk negatively about a dude that can’t learn, and blah, blah. Man, if everybody could learn, we’d need less coaches. If the group didn’t need management, then we wouldn’t make as much. I love reading draft evals, and somebody’s talking about anything other than pedigree. Talking about how poor somebody’s hand usage is. Well, that’s coaching. I don’t run away from coaching. I run to coaching. It all is in line with not seeking comfort. Because when you’re a coach that’s talking about somebody that can’t learn, you’re seeking comfort, because your teaching is struggling.

He is certainly the Anti-Noll. Noll gave criticism of his guys to improve or sit on the pine, demanded success

What is funny is that when Harris asked Tomlin to teach him fundamentals, Tomlin blew him off. From this article you'd think he'd LOVE the opportunity.

What Tomlin says and what he does is not congruent.

I'd add to this a little bit.

It's very obvious that Tomlin has gotten rid of plenty of players because of their inability to take to coaching. He's a guy who blames execution and almost never mentions the coaching needing to be better (which is kind of standard across the league, frankly). It's very intentional. Always has been. Deflect from himself. If the execution is the problem, you are inherently saying that the players aren't responding to your coaching. It's his go to crux after defeat.

Then we can just isolate on individual players. Roman Wilson being a prime example right now. He's apparently not a pro, not putting in the work or whatever. He's not up the "standard." So is it a fault of his or the coaches inability to reach him? I guarantee Tomlin wouldn't blame himself or his coaches or Rodgers for this so, yea...

Ron mentioned a guy like Shamarko Thomas in one of his posts. I watched full games of his in college and he looked like a future star to me. He was always around the ball and always making plays. He got into the league and they never even gave him a real chance to play on defense reportedly because he was dumber than a box of rock.s