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[Legacy User]

How many playoff games has Luck won??

Now he's the poster child?

Good QB sure. But to place our wise at Ben's feet with so many other obvious issues?

Wow.

Put Ben on the 49ers these past couple of years. I bet those games turn out different.

So we're back to playoff wins as the barometer ?

Thanks for making my argument fool proof. You just slammed the door on yourself. Tell me again about Bens robust postseason play the last few years

Talk to me about "analysis" again genius

They haven't been in the playoffs the past few years. And you and both know that can't be laid soley at the feet of Ben.

Last time he was in the playoffs, he rallied his team from a two touchdown deficit late to tie the game. Only to see his coach and DC field one of the WORST defensive playcalls and executions you will see in a modified OT format. We win the toss we likely win that game. Dick Lebeau, Tomlin, Ike Taylor, and Ryan Mundy put any chance if a victory to bed though. I suppose that's on Ben also.

I also recall in that game Ben hitting a WIDE open Wallace in the hands for what would have been a huge long TD. One that might have put Denver down too far early. But he clanked it. Ben's fault too. Yet you spent an offseason saying how bad we needed to spend big money to keep him.

And about this past Sunday, I've mentioned it because you continue to dodge it.

Had that been Cotchery who dropped the two TDs the Brown boys did you, me, and every poster here knows you wouldn't be saying a thing about Ben's play this week.

Ben had what should have been a 5 TD zero INT performance last week for damn bear 400 yards. He wasn't the reason we lost no matter what your analysis says.

And about your "analysis". It's about the same as a fry cook at McDonalds who happens to run into Gordon Ramsey. Yet instead of saying "pleased to meet you sir" he decides to give Ramsey tips on how to make a great burger.

Stick to salting fries.

If I'm a fry salter around here , then that makes you the guy who reports to the fry salter

Have no idea why and how you got so sidetracked with this post
Oh wait yes I do because your previous post you shut the door on yourself

[Legacy User]

Somebody get IC something to help him wipe that load off his chest!

Do you really talk like this?

[Legacy User]

Ben is sporting 2 rings...being in the past or not, he's shown the ability to come through. Romo has not, ever. I don't think Romo is a bad QB, he has playmaking ability. But it's not close to Ben's.

I have full confidence that if BR has the ball on the final possession, with a chance to win/tie a game, he'll come through far more often than not. He did that versus the Brown's...he hasn't been put in that scenerio in the 2 losses. I'm confident he'll get one during the final 3/4 of the season.

I hope your right Van. Haven't seen him do it in some time

Just not the same guy he used tone IMO

[jeemie]

Ben is sporting 2 rings...being in the past or not, he's shown the ability to come through. Romo has not, ever. I don't think Romo is a bad QB, he has playmaking ability. But it's not close to Ben's.

I have full confidence that if BR has the ball on the final possession, with a chance to win/tie a game, he'll come through far more often than not. He did that versus the Brown's...he hasn't been put in that scenerio in the 2 losses. I'm confident he'll get one during the final 3/4 of the season.

I hope your right Van. Haven't seen him do it in some time

Just not the same guy he used tone IMO

He just did it in week one of this season!

Did it against the Packers and Ravens last season as well.

[K_C_]

Somebody get IC something to help him wipe that load off his chest!

Do you really talk like this?

I sure do, Handi-Wipes.

[955876]

If I'm a fry salter around here , then that makes you the guy who reports to the fry salter

Have no idea why and how you got so sidetracked with this post
Oh wait yes I do because your previous post you shut the door on yourself

I didn't shut the door on anything. But then, I'm not the one making ridiculous claims that I cant even believe you believe.

I'm smart enough to realize that while being the most important piece, the QB isn't to blame for all losses or non-playoff seasons just like they are not the some reason for the Ws.

Ben's play is FAR from the reason this team has sucked. Way down the list.

And yet, if he throws three picks tomorrow with two returned for TDs I'll be the first to say he sucked. In that game.

I do t have weird biases or stubborn themes I need to stick to.

It's funny you knock others yet has it ever crossed your mind that you are wrong here? Because the last two weeks I've seen nothing but thread after thread with just about every single poster completely disagreeing with you.

So IC is right but the collective knowledge of say 50 posters is wrong. Not buying that one.

And again, where would your criticism been directed this week had it been Cotchery who dropped those gimme passes? Would you still be blaming Ben or would you have spent the week blaming the WR??

And while never having worked at a McDonalds, I've eaten at them enough over the years to know that the fry cook is pretty much low man. Sorry to disappoint but nobody will be "reporting" to you.

I was actually wrong about the McDonalds fry cook anyways. Couldn't be you. Their fries are actually damn good.

You must be at Burger King. Where you can have it your way IC, but that doesn't mean that it's good.

[Legacy User]

Do you feel better now after that stupid fucking rant?

I want you to know I read it all and you've been heard. I want to make sure you feel acknowledged.

None of it applies to your criteria of playoff success, over stats , but only when it's applicable. Much easier to derail discussion to French fries to take away from the fact that you are a 1%'er who has the ability to own himself at times

[Gonzo]

IC - I might agree with you if this staff let Ben play like manning, Brady et al are allowed to play. They do everything in their power to restrict the pace of the game. The no huddle to them is a novelty item to appease.

When the D sucks and you need your top man to step up on offense - let him. For one year or two while you rebuild a D change the damned game plan ala Tommy Gun and let the man you pay all that money to to earn it. You can't restrict offensive play to help the D and remove risk and then turn about and say - OK that didn't work, win it now but do so within the confines of our bullshit O scheme

Use bell in the passing game, throw the goddamned ball and step up the pace on O early. Use your pieces and Stop shortening the game. Nd I dint men no huddle ll the time. I mean a more dynamic and creative pay design and calling. It's bland, predictable and seems more designed to waste time than score

By "playing like Manning" I'm not sure if you mean throw downfield or have control to dictate playcall and tempo and get them into and out right or wrong play. My belief is he has that authority within the structure of the offense

Either way, if he doesn't have the authority or hasn't earned the authority then he's not worth what he's being paid.

I make no claims he's the reason they lose. From top to bottom they are an 8-8 roster. My claim is he's the reason they don't win more. In my mind there is a difference. Which, to me, makes him an 8-8 QB

I mean an offense with pace, an offense designed to score more so than waste time.
I watched the 22 today and was shocked by a few items one of them Beimg how awful Beauchum and wallce were. One of the worst LTs and LGs around and ipossibly the worst combo.

I just see it as inconsistent to through design and philosophy devalue your franchise QB and not build around him and then say he ain't getting it done. I agree there aren't as many O comebacks as in the past. But, I would say the bigger difference than QB play are shittty OL and an Exterme tilt towards allowing your D to win it. One of the reasons for Lebeaus bad late game fade record is the amount of times we lay the game at their feet.

You want the QB to earn his pay but I see a staff that more often than not won't let him.

It's the Eli manning quote again - would you rather have the ball down 3 with 1:30 to go or give the opponent that ball up 3 with 130 to go. In the modern game I know my choice as long as I have a mediocre or above QB. I believe the Steelrs make the opposite choice everyti e regardless of who the QB is.

If - as you say - the D sucks, why would you not change how you approach that

[K_C_]

I love how IC is avoiding the Cotch question, like he thinks nobody will notice.

[Legacy User]

I reject your requirement that I ignore past accomplishment, IC, so I neither respect nor give a shit about your assessment or argument regarding Ben. If that attitude sounds familiar, it's yours.

Thanks for replying that you won't be replying

Ummm, no. I did reply. And my reply is that I don't accept the premise on which you're basing your criticism. Should I insert a smiley face now?

[955876]

None of it applies to your criteria of playoff success, over stats , but only when it's applicable. Much easier to derail discussion to French fries to take away from the fact that you are a 1%'er who has the ability to own himself at times

What criteria did I establish??

And the reason you are getting pissy is because you've been getting owned. By any all all takers.

Ya, we lost last week because of Ben's play....

For shits & giggles, please post some of the spittle you would have posted had Cotchery dropped those passes instead of Ben. It'll be fun.

You know damn well you would not have said a peep about Ben had Cotch been the goat instead of the Brown boys & D.

Everyone knows it.

And I'll drop the fry cook thing. We all know you've earned your real nick name this week, Waffles.

[Steelafan77]

Is that a personal attack? From the internet tattle tale himself?

Hope I didn't upset you enough to beat your wife

You've seen a arena league game or two, tell me the difference between good and great at QB. Tell me the current difference between Ben and Romo.

The difference between Ben and Tony is Obvious even to those of us 99% you claim football inadequate. Ben is a winner at the highest pinnacle of the game on the biggest stage. Tony can't even sniff the first 10 rows to see the stage.

As far as attacks go your response was absolutely unnecessary and unprovoked. To say it was inflammatory, and most certainly can be construed as a personal attack is a given. Something you do quite often with zero consequences.

[Legacy User]

Just got back from Gone Girl....crazy movie....matinee w wife. What have I missed here? Does Ben still suck cause he doesn't perform David Blaine type of magic on the field?

[Nick79]

You want the QB to earn his pay but I see a staff that more often than not won't let him.

Steelers Football

[Legacy User]

I love how IC is avoiding the Cotch question, like he thinks nobody will notice.

Have you been avoiding my Romo question? I think so

Cotchery is what he is. A decent 3rd WR if your structure is based off size more than speed. He had 1 of 3 good years in Pittsburgh. Largely because he was often forgotten in coverage in favor of clank

Did I answer your question?

Now answer mjne

[Legacy User]

How many playoff games ha Luck won?

Ok waffles

You're doing exactly as I've said many times

When you can't defend your QB with stats or wins it falls back to playoffs. When I say he isn't in the playoffs it's about stats. Then I compare a QB with decent stats and no playoffs in Romo and all the sudden I'm the crazy one

Would you like some syrup for those waffles?

[Legacy User]

Is that a personal attack? From the internet tattle tale himself?

Hope I didn't upset you enough to beat your wife

You've seen a arena league game or two, tell me the difference between good and great at QB. Tell me the current difference between Ben and Romo.

The difference between Ben and Tony is Obvious even to those of us 99% you claim football inadequate. Ben is a winner at the highest pinnacle of the game on the biggest stage. Tony can't even sniff the first 10 rows to see the stage.

As far as attacks go your response was absolutely unnecessary and unprovoked. To say it was inflammatory, and most certainly can be construed as a personal attack is a given. Something you do quite often with zero consequences.

What you've described was who Ben was a few years ago

He hasn't done any of that recently. My entire premise is based since start of 2012

[Nick79]

Is that a personal attack? From the internet tattle tale himself?

Hope I didn't upset you enough to beat your wife

You've seen a arena league game or two, tell me the difference between good and great at QB. Tell me the current difference between Ben and Romo.

The difference between Ben and Tony is Obvious even to those of us 99% you claim football inadequate. Ben is a winner at the highest pinnacle of the game on the biggest stage. Tony can't even sniff the first 10 rows to see the stage.

As far as attacks go your response was absolutely unnecessary and unprovoked. To say it was inflammatory, and most certainly can be construed as a personal attack is a given. Something you do quite often with zero consequences.

What you've described was who Ben was a few years ago

He hasn't done any of that recently. My entire premise is based since start of 2012

So you mean since the time that Art2 and Haley took the ball out of his hands?

[K_C_]

I love how IC is avoiding the Cotch question, like he thinks nobody will notice.

Have you been avoiding my Romo question? I think so

Cotchery is what he is. A decent 3rd WR if your structure is based off size more than speed. He had 1 of 3 good years in Pittsburgh. Largely because he was often forgotten in coverage in favor of clank

Did I answer your question?

Now answer mjne

That wasn't the question.

You completely avoided it, as expected, but I'll reiterate what 95 was saying.........

What if Cotch was the guy who dropped 2 SURE TD passes, instead of Justin Brown & AB?

Would you still be laying all the blame for "only putting up 24 points" on Ben?

......Watch IC squirm now.

[955876]

How many playoff games ha Luck won?

Ok waffles

You're doing exactly as I've said many times

When you can't defend your QB with stats or wins it falls back to playoffs. When I say he isn't in the playoffs it's about stats. Then I compare a QB with decent stats and no playoffs in Romo and all the sudden I'm the crazy one

Would you like some syrup for those waffles?

I only brought up Luck because I saw him mentioned. I had no "criteria" to that point and to be frank wasn't hanging on every word. You were blaming Ben for lack of playoffs and saw Luck mentioned so asked how many wins he has. Simple as that.

And your Romo comparison is as lame as they come.

Ben has come up huge in the biggest of spots where Romo has done the opposite. Shrinking when the lights are the brightest.

[Legacy User]

I love how IC is avoiding the Cotch question, like he thinks nobody will notice.

Have you been avoiding my Romo question? I think so

Cotchery is what he is. A decent 3rd WR if your structure is based off size more than speed. He had 1 of 3 good years in Pittsburgh. Largely because he was often forgotten in coverage in favor of clank

Did I answer your question?

Now answer mjne

That wasn't the question.

You completely avoided it, as expected, but I'll reiterate what 95 was saying.........

What if Cotch was the guy who dropped 2 SURE TD passes, instead of Justin Brown & AB?

Would you still be laying all the blame for "only putting up 24 points" on Ben?

......Watch IC squirm now.

What would me trying to answer something unrelated prove? I'd probably come down hard on old 6 finger Cotch jus to piss you off because you enshrined him in Canton during one of his 12 catch seasons

Your turn, Romo

[Legacy User]

How many playoff games ha Luck won?

Ok waffles

You're doing exactly as I've said many times

When you can't defend your QB with stats or wins it falls back to playoffs. When I say he isn't in the playoffs it's about stats. Then I compare a QB with decent stats and no playoffs in Romo and all the sudden I'm the crazy one

Would you like some syrup for those waffles?

I only brought up Luck because I saw him mentioned. I had no "criteria" to that point and to be frank wasn't hanging on every word. You were blaming Ben for lack of playoffs and saw Luck mentioned so asked how many wins he has. Simple as that.

And your Romo comparison is as lame as they come.

Ben has come up huge in the biggest of spots where Romo has done the opposite. Shrinking when the lights are the brightest.

Doesn't matter who what why or where. The first thing you pointed to was playoffs

Now about your preference in syrup

[Legacy User]

KC by the way did I squirm?

Still your turn

[Legacy User]

IC vs Steelerfury

Tonight on CNN

Can one poster be right and 30 wrong?

Tonight on CNN at 8 EST.

[K_C_]

What would me trying to answer something unrelated prove? I'd probably come down hard on old 6 finger Cotch jus to piss you off because you enshrined him in Canton during one of his 12 catch seasons

Your turn, Romo

Yep, exactly.

Last year, your 2 "reasons" the Steelers sucked were Todd Haley and Jerricho Cotchery.

With Cotch elsewhere, you had to replace that.

Now you don't even bitch about Haley anymore. Cotch being gone has you especially depressed, because you now realize we fucked up letting him leave AND you can't blame him when we lose. It's a DOUBLE WHAMMY!

The reason we suck is, (and I'm being serious) Ben Roethlisberger.

What a fuckin' reach THAT is, but you are goddamn entertaining!



Oh and Ben's demise somehow aligns perfectly with the arrival of Todd Haley. I respect Haley's desire to keep Ben upright, but he's taken pretty much all downfield throws away. It's now rare when Ben goes deep.

And, Haley takes the ball out of the 100 million dollar man whenever things get tight.

Neither Haley or Tomlin believe in Ben.

As I have said many times, that is some great company you keep.

[Legacy User]

You still avoided my question

And I didn't blame Cotchery for shit except you over rating him

I actually blame last year on injuries and Haley

Now if you want to stop putting words in my mouth, tell me why Ben is such a great QB right now

[Legacy User]

IC vs Steelerfury

Tonight on CNN

Can one poster be right and 30 wrong?

Tonight on CNN at 8 EST.

Yep 30 pages and not a single person will answer my simple queastion

Including you

[K_C_]

Why is Ben still a great QB?

Because, as many have pointed out, despite having a DUMBFUCK for a head coach and a BLITHERING IDIOT for an OC, Ben is still able to make champagne out of shit.

Like last week, when he threw 3 TD passes, had a QB rating over 125 and had 2 more TD passes dropped.

Despite a belief that somehow defense still carries this team and with zero help from his coach and OC, Ben still does everything he can, each week, to try and put up a win.

He had one last week and his teammates and coaching staff let him down.

Like usual.

Ben isn't perfect. I blamed him for plenty last year, but he has so much working against him now, even within his own team, it's pretty much beyond fixing.

Personally, I join you in hoping he's elsewhere in 2 years.

Roethlisberger deserves better.

[955876]

Ok, let's talk playoffs. Ben is 10-4 with three SB appearances and two rings.

Homo is 1-3.

As for syrup, I have it sent to me from Vermont. Don't buy the sugar sold in the stores.

[swissvale72]

Ok, let's talk playoffs. Ben is 10-4 with three SB appearances and two rings.

Homo is 1-3.

As for syrup, I have it sent to me from Vermont. Don't buy the sugar sold in the stores.

Grade A light, medium, dark or Grade B?

Maple Weekend is very big up here.