Brock Purdy is a God

[Pabst]

Canada is only part of the problem.

Was flipping thru some of my old posts and came across this:

Over on the offensive side, the Steelers went 3 and out on 5 of 8 first half drives. The other 3 drives were turnovers. But sure, the D was the problem

^ that post is about the loss to the Bengals......in 2020.

If we're having these same issues 3 years and 3 QBs later, I'd argue Canada is a bit more than "part" of the problem

[K_C_]

I think Kenny has done very little to show he's the long term, but I'm sure as shit rooting for him.

And I do believe Canada is holding him back.

All the same, I don't think Perch is a football dumbass.

Perch, B2B, and Zeke despised the KP pick, immediately because he doesn’t possess “elite tools” and wouldn’t support him, if he and the offense was playing well.

If you haven’t noticed, substantiating personal opinions are most important on this board.

Weak fucking sauce, man.

It’s not about “supporting” Kenny Pickett or not. I’m the only guy here with a fucking pair of Kenny Pickett socks. I gave an honest evaluation of him before the Steelers drafted him after watching the guy play extensively at Pitt for 5 years. Through two seasons, plus those 5, what I said was spot on. I’d be a lot happier if I was wrong. The bigger issue is we all know how the organization is. They’re overly patient and loyal. Kenny is a good guy and works hard. That goes a long way. He can be the 28th rated passer in the NFL the next few years and still get an extension prolonging the rebuild. That should piss all of you guys off.

The Purdy stuff is pretty wild too. There are a couple of #3 overall picks out there in SF that looked like shit in that offense with the same weapons and coaching. Purdy is #1 in the NFL in fitting balls into tight windows. He’s the top rated passer in the game. He’s the NFL MVP through 5 weeks. He’s never lost a game he started and finished. Purdy deserves a hell of a lot more credit than saying he’s just some stiff in a great system. The Packers, Rams and Texans all run that offensive system, none of their QBs are playing nearly as well as Purdy.

Kenny Pickett critiques I’ve given are spot on. His accuracy is not great. His pocket presence is not great. He will take off and run to the sidelines or tuck and go fetal before stepping into a pass and taking a hit. He is not reading the field well or progressing through reads. His stats back up the evaluation. The tape supports it. He’s had ample time to improve and hasn’t. Canada is only part of the problem. Pickett is the other. It’s not about pre draft evaluation. It’s about facts. Every national pundit and former player who watches the tape has the same opinions of Pickett.

There’s too much hilarity to unpack here but I’ll make 2 points:

1) did it ever occur to you that QB’s can get in a serious groove when McCaffrey takes a hand off for 15 yards and a screen for 30? Once that happens, behind your o-line that is a FUCKING WALL, the defense is scared shitless of the best RB in the game. Brock Purdy then is sent in a brilliantly designed play that this time doesn’t involve McCaffrey who the defense is already scared shitless of. No. This one is drawn up to hit one of his two incredible WR’s downfield and if Aiyuk or Samuel aren’t open, a guy named George Kittle probably will be. Did I mention that the FUCKING WALL in front of Purdy will likely give him a clean pocket and if Purdy fucks up, that MONSTER defense (who made Dak look a lot like Kenny….Dak with a huge contract and a lot more experience than Pickett mind you) will get Purdy the ball back quick, probably with a short field.

2) you list Pickett and Canada as the only problems on offense, not a brutally bad o-line who is now starting a rookie at LT (who is Purdy’s LT. Wanna name him?) and they can neither pass nor can they run block. Our 3rd tier TE who couldn’t hold George Kittle’s jock strap, is hurt so we’re starting a clueless rookie at TE. Miles Boykin and Gunner saw meaningful snaps at WR. Allen Robinson looks close to washed (and I was excited for his addition….that guy is no Cotch, his legs are gone) and George Pickens is the ONLY legitimate WR threat on the field in the passing game. Warren might be the only other threat in the Steelers passing game and you list Pickett along with Canada as the biggest problems on offense. Like I said, it’s ridiculous whether Pickett ends up being the guy or not. This entire offense is fucked.

[jmacinwbp]

"gave an honest evaluation of him before the Steelers drafted him after watching the guy play extensively at Pitt for 5 years."

Perch,

I've seen you say this multiple times in various threads, but each time someone asks you to specifically point out what games in Pickett's Senior year showed you he sucked ass, had no chance of being a good NFL QB, or was worth a late 1st round pick, for a QB desperate team; I don't ever see a response.

I'll ask again, with some additions to cover your current critiques of KP8 what games in his senior year shouted pedestrian, no talent pro QB, that is afraid to step into throws, can't go to a second or third read, etc...

You're not the only one to watch most of his Pitt career, and others didn't have the same evaluation as it seems you had.

I'm looking forward to see what happens for KP8 if/when the OL improves (if B. Jones builds off his first start, the improvement may be rapid), and will continue to fairly evaluate KP8's play as much as my limited knowledge allows.

But I can guarantee you I'm going to enjoy every win the team gets, especially when it includes sticking a dagger in a rival's heart at the end of a game. Those type of wins, against that type of opponent, are always special, and deserve celebrating.

[the-other-burg]

Perch, B2B, and Zeke despised the KP pick, immediately because he doesn’t possess “elite tools” and wouldn’t support him, if he and the offense was playing well.

If you haven’t noticed, substantiating personal opinions are most important on this board.

Weak fucking sauce, man.

It’s not about “supporting” Kenny Pickett or not. I’m the only guy here with a fucking pair of Kenny Pickett socks. I gave an honest evaluation of him before the Steelers drafted him after watching the guy play extensively at Pitt for 5 years. Through two seasons, plus those 5, what I said was spot on. I’d be a lot happier if I was wrong. The bigger issue is we all know how the organization is. They’re overly patient and loyal. Kenny is a good guy and works hard. That goes a long way. He can be the 28th rated passer in the NFL the next few years and still get an extension prolonging the rebuild. That should piss all of you guys off.

The Purdy stuff is pretty wild too. There are a couple of #3 overall picks out there in SF that looked like shit in that offense with the same weapons and coaching. Purdy is #1 in the NFL in fitting balls into tight windows. He’s the top rated passer in the game. He’s the NFL MVP through 5 weeks. He’s never lost a game he started and finished. Purdy deserves a hell of a lot more credit than saying he’s just some stiff in a great system. The Packers, Rams and Texans all run that offensive system, none of their QBs are playing nearly as well as Purdy.

Kenny Pickett critiques I’ve given are spot on. His accuracy is not great. His pocket presence is not great. He will take off and run to the sidelines or tuck and go fetal before stepping into a pass and taking a hit. He is not reading the field well or progressing through reads. His stats back up the evaluation. The tape supports it. He’s had ample time to improve and hasn’t. Canada is only part of the problem. Pickett is the other. It’s not about pre draft evaluation. It’s about facts. Every national pundit and former player who watches the tape has the same opinions of Pickett.

There’s too much hilarity to unpack here but I’ll make 2 points:

1) did it ever occur to you that QB’s can get in a serious groove when McCaffrey takes a hand off for 15 yards and a screen for 30? Once that happens, behind your o-line that is a FUCKING WALL, the defense is scared shitless of the best RB in the game. Brock Purdy then is sent in a brilliantly designed play that this time doesn’t involve McCaffrey who the defense is already scared shitless of. No. This one is drawn up to hit one of his two incredible WR’s downfield and if Aiyuk or Samuel aren’t open, a guy named George Kittle probably will be. Did I mention that the FUCKING WALL in front of Purdy will likely give him a clean pocket and if Purdy fucks up, that MONSTER defense (who made Dak look a lot like Kenny….Dak with a huge contract and a lot more experience than Pickett mind you) will get Purdy the ball back quick, probably with a short field.

2) you list Pickett and Canada as the only problems on offense, not a brutally bad o-line who is now starting a rookie at LT (who is Purdy’s LT. Wanna name him?) and they can neither pass nor can they run block. Our 3rd tier TE who couldn’t hold George Kittle’s jock strap, is hurt so we’re starting a clueless rookie at TE. Miles Boykin and Gunner saw meaningful snaps at WR. Allen Robinson looks close to washed (and I was excited for his addition….that guy is no Cotch, his legs are gone) and George Pickens is the ONLY legitimate WR threat on the field in the passing game. Warren might be the only other threat in the Steelers passing game and you list Pickett along with Canada as the biggest problems on offense. Like I said, it’s ridiculous whether Pickett ends up being the guy or not. This entire offense is fucked.

Kenny needs to take a 5 step drop, and in under 2 seconds needs to :

A) diagnose the pass coverage and determine if he's going to get killed by the rush.

B) Find the open space that his receivers are supposed to run to, and figure out which WR option will have the highest success rate of getting near that open space, without running the wrong route or being blanketed in coverage. Remember- these are routes designed by Canada.

C) Throw his receivers open by hitting that open space (that probably wont be there) for a WR (that probably wont be there either.)

The ball needs to leave his hands somewhere between B and C above, or else he will be criticized for throwing too late.

If he leaves the pocket and throws the ball away (like he did in the first half to save field position for the FG), he will be criticized for bailing too soon.

If he takes a sack he will be criticized for not feeling the pass rush (which probably hits him 1.5 seconds after he looks up)

So obviously he needs to be able to do all of these things, having played 17 games in the NFL, and with most of his passing options injured.

[zeke5123]

Also if we are just going to start throwing out biases Willy nilly, how about the sunk cost fallacy?

[SteelerDayTrader]

I think Kenny has done very little to show he's the long term, but I'm sure as shit rooting for him.

And I do believe Canada is holding him back.

All the same, I don't think Perch is a football dumbass.

Perch, B2B, and Zeke despised the KP pick, immediately because he doesn’t possess “elite tools” and wouldn’t support him, if he and the offense was playing well.

If you haven’t noticed, substantiating personal opinions are most important on this board.

Weak fucking sauce, man.

It’s not about “supporting” Kenny Pickett or not. I’m the only guy here with a fucking pair of Kenny Pickett socks. I gave an honest evaluation of him before the Steelers drafted him after watching the guy play extensively at Pitt for 5 years. Through two seasons, plus those 5, what I said was spot on. I’d be a lot happier if I was wrong. The bigger issue is we all know how the organization is. They’re overly patient and loyal. Kenny is a good guy and works hard. That goes a long way. He can be the 28th rated passer in the NFL the next few years and still get an extension prolonging the rebuild. That should piss all of you guys off. Did you see what the Giants did with Daniel Jones? That’s your future, Steelers fans!

The Purdy stuff is pretty wild too. There are a couple of #3 overall picks out there in SF that looked like shit in that offense with the same weapons and coaching. Purdy is #1 in the NFL in fitting balls into tight windows. He’s the top rated passer in the game. He’s the NFL MVP through 5 weeks. He’s never lost a game he started and finished. Purdy deserves a hell of a lot more credit than saying he’s just some stiff in a great system. The Packers, Rams and Texans all run that offensive system, none of their QBs are playing nearly as well as Purdy.

Kenny Pickett critiques I’ve given are spot on. His accuracy is not great. His pocket presence is not great. He will take off and run to the sidelines or tuck and go fetal before stepping into a pass and taking a hit. He is not reading the field well or progressing through reads. His stats back up the evaluation. The tape supports it. He’s had ample time to improve and hasn’t. Canada is only part of the problem. Pickett is the other. It’s not about pre draft evaluation. It’s about facts. Every national pundit and former player who watches the tape has the same opinions of Pickett.

[SteelerDayTrader]

What many of you don’t seem to get is this:

It doesn’t matter AT ALL what Kenny MIGHT do in other situations it only matters what he does here in this situation

And given that…..he doesn’t seem to be able to play well enough

End of story

And that applies to every team and every player everywhere

That’s why I say every draftable OL for the Steelers needs to be 315+ among other things

That’s why all draftable WRs RBs and CBs for the Steelers need to be at minimum 4.5 guys

I could keep going but the point remains

Could Kenny play well elsewhere ? Possibly

Is he playing well here ? No

And that’s the only thing that matters

[Steelperch]

Perch, B2B, and Zeke despised the KP pick, immediately because he doesn’t possess “elite tools” and wouldn’t support him, if he and the offense was playing well.

If you haven’t noticed, substantiating personal opinions are most important on this board.

Weak fucking sauce, man.

It’s not about “supporting” Kenny Pickett or not. I’m the only guy here with a fucking pair of Kenny Pickett socks. I gave an honest evaluation of him before the Steelers drafted him after watching the guy play extensively at Pitt for 5 years. Through two seasons, plus those 5, what I said was spot on. I’d be a lot happier if I was wrong. The bigger issue is we all know how the organization is. They’re overly patient and loyal. Kenny is a good guy and works hard. That goes a long way. He can be the 28th rated passer in the NFL the next few years and still get an extension prolonging the rebuild. That should piss all of you guys off.

The Purdy stuff is pretty wild too. There are a couple of #3 overall picks out there in SF that looked like shit in that offense with the same weapons and coaching. Purdy is #1 in the NFL in fitting balls into tight windows. He’s the top rated passer in the game. He’s the NFL MVP through 5 weeks. He’s never lost a game he started and finished. Purdy deserves a hell of a lot more credit than saying he’s just some stiff in a great system. The Packers, Rams and Texans all run that offensive system, none of their QBs are playing nearly as well as Purdy.

Kenny Pickett critiques I’ve given are spot on. His accuracy is not great. His pocket presence is not great. He will take off and run to the sidelines or tuck and go fetal before stepping into a pass and taking a hit. He is not reading the field well or progressing through reads. His stats back up the evaluation. The tape supports it. He’s had ample time to improve and hasn’t. Canada is only part of the problem. Pickett is the other. It’s not about pre draft evaluation. It’s about facts. Every national pundit and former player who watches the tape has the same opinions of Pickett.

There’s too much hilarity to unpack here but I’ll make 2 points:

1) did it ever occur to you that QB’s can get in a serious groove when McCaffrey takes a hand off for 15 yards and a screen for 30? Once that happens, behind your o-line that is a FUCKING WALL, the defense is scared shitless of the best RB in the game. Brock Purdy then is sent in a brilliantly designed play that this time doesn’t involve McCaffrey who the defense is already scared shitless of. No. This one is drawn up to hit one of his two incredible WR’s downfield and if Aiyuk or Samuel aren’t open, a guy named George Kittle probably will be. Did I mention that the FUCKING WALL in front of Purdy will likely give him a clean pocket and if Purdy fucks up, that MONSTER defense (who made Dak look a lot like Kenny….Dak with a huge contract and a lot more experience than Pickett mind you) will get Purdy the ball back quick, probably with a short field.

2) you list Pickett and Canada as the only problems on offense, not a brutally bad o-line who is now starting a rookie at LT (who is Purdy’s LT. Wanna name him?) and they can neither pass nor can they run block. Our 3rd tier TE who couldn’t hold George Kittle’s jock strap, is hurt so we’re starting a clueless rookie at TE. Miles Boykin and Gunner saw meaningful snaps at WR. Allen Robinson looks close to washed (and I was excited for his addition….that guy is no Cotch, his legs are gone) and George Pickens is the ONLY legitimate WR threat on the field in the passing game. Warren might be the only other threat in the Steelers passing game and you list Pickett along with Canada as the biggest problems on offense. Like I said, it’s ridiculous whether Pickett ends up being the guy or not. This entire offense is fucked.

The only hilarity is how you take anything anyone posts on here and then add a bunch of shit to it they never said. Somebody says the sky is blue and you come back with “you really think the sky is blue and made of glass”.

1. You can make paragraphs of excuses for why Purdy is a damn good QB, but facts are facts. He’s widely outperformed all of the other QBs that have played in that SF offense. You don’t “scheme” your way into 72% completion rate and a 120 QB rating. Purdy mentally processes things quickly , makes great decisions and is deadly accurate. He’s similar to Tom Brady in that regard. Put him on any team and he could play well with those traits. Put other QBs in SF and they may do well, but not as good as Purdy is doing. McCaffrey running the ball well doesn’t make Purdy process things, make decisions or make super accurate passes. Shanahan doesn’t do that either. He’s literally the #1 rated QB in football fitting passes into tight windows. Nobody can get credit for that aside from the QB.

2. You’re just ridiculous and not worth the key strokes. Never at any point in time did I ever say Pickett and Canada are the only problems with the offense. You’ve ascribed that to me daily, added cool kid movies quotes and gratuitous smilies… none of that makes it true, Matt Canada is the biggest problem with the offense. Kenny Pickett is not a very talented QB and isn’t playing well or progressing. That’s my stance. A stance backed up by facts, stats, game tape, and analysis of every football guru you can find. The O line and skill guys I believe are largely being hampered by those two, not that they are without some fault.

Next time you want to tie me to some stance, take what I actually said or ask me instead of adding a bunch of made up shit that suits you.

[CKSteeler]

You can credit Shanahan’s system all you want, but Jimmy G and Trey Lance were mostly ass in it compared to Purdy. He anticipates well, sees the field well, is very good in the pocket and has amazing accuracy. League MVP thru 5 weeks.

Umm, no, that's completely wrong.

Jimmy G averaged 8.3 yards a pass in that system from 2017 through 2022. 3rd highest in NFL history. Better than Mahomes, Rodgers, Big Ben and anyone else in modern history. Won 40 games with only 17 losses, around 240 yards a game, with 82 TDs to only 42 picks. The one year he played all 16 games and was healthy through the season they went 13-3 and made the Super Bowl.

So no, he was not mostly ass. He is mostly ass in Oakland now, which only furthers the point.

Why is the 7th round rookie immediately better than he ever was?

This is reminding me more and more of a young Brady where people look for reasons to dismiss a guy. Or a young Ben, even. You watch him, and he has it. The coaching and talent around him help, but he has what great QB's have in the pocket.

If Purdy was the guy the 49ers traded up for to get, people would be blowing their load over how he's playing. I know that much. There's a lot of where did this guy come from in evaluations and how long it takes some guys to get accepted. Even Ben getting taken 3rd in his class led a lot of people to sleep on him.

You still have assholes who think Myles Garrett is better than TJ Watt despite all evidence saying otherwise. And Watt was just a late 1st rounder.

[CKSteeler]

2) you list Pickett and Canada as the only problems on offense, not a brutally bad o-line who is now starting a rookie at LT (who is Purdy’s LT. Wanna name him?) and they can neither pass nor can they run block.

I have not written Pickett off. I'll preface it by saying this.

But if I had a nickel for ever time I saw an OL maligned only to see a change at QB make them look worlds better...

Pickett is running and stepping into a lot of pressure. And he's holding the ball too long this year. He has REGRESSED from where he was last year as a rookie in processing and moving in the pocket by a lot.

Defenses are lining up in simple zone coverages and Pickett doesn't know where the hell he should go with the football. And this isn't a young Ben thing where he is even trying to hit the homerun play every snap. Pickett is captain checkdown so far in his career...and he still can't be decisive with his passes.

[Steelperch]

"gave an honest evaluation of him before the Steelers drafted him after watching the guy play extensively at Pitt for 5 years."

Perch,

I've seen you say this multiple times in various threads, but each time someone asks you to specifically point out what games in Pickett's Senior year showed you he sucked ass, had no chance of being a good NFL QB, or was worth a late 1st round pick, for a QB desperate team; I don't ever see a response.

I'll ask again, with some additions to cover your current critiques of KP8 what games in his senior year shouted pedestrian, no talent pro QB, that is afraid to step into throws, can't go to a second or third read, etc...

You're not the only one to watch most of his Pitt career, and others didn't have the same evaluation as it seems you had.

I'm looking forward to see what happens for KP8 if/when the OL improves (if B. Jones builds off his first start, the improvement may be rapid), and will continue to fairly evaluate KP8's play as much as my limited knowledge allows.

But I can guarantee you I'm going to enjoy every win the team gets, especially when it includes sticking a dagger in a rival's heart at the end of a game. Those type of wins, against that type of opponent, are always special, and deserve celebrating.

Hey sorry kid if I don’t follow you around the board replying to your every whim. Why are you limiting Pickett to his Senior year of college. I assume you mean his second senior year. And yes, I’ve addressed in great detail his college performance vs other good NFL QBs. Lil Ken was 4 years of absolute shit, then one productive year when he was 23 years old and throwing to Jordan Addison against a largely weak ACC schedule. Compare his efficiency numbers in college vs every other good young current NFL QB and they don’t stack up. I’ve already don it for you. Go read this thread. —>

http://forumsnew.sportsandshit.com/view ... 1&start=60

There were half a dozen other QB needy teams in the draft ahead of the Steelers and they all passed on Pickett for a reason. If you’d like to argue about his arm strength, accuracy, or pocket presence I’m all ears. I don’t know how much game day evidence some of you need to smash you in the head before you see it. But hey, yay Pitt guy playing for the Steelers. Yinzergasm complete!

[jmacinwbp]

"Hey sorry kid if I don’t follow you around the board replying to your every whim. Why are you limiting Pickett to his Senior year of college"

Guess it shows you really can't tell much from internet posts. You may be old enough to call me kid, but that would only be apt if you've been collecting social security and popping the little blue pill for a while already. I'm confident I could easily converse intelligently about early 1970s to current day Steelers games, players, and history, with you, or anyone else on this board. My insights would be from actually watching the games live, not checking online historical stats archives. Not that age matters for this discussion.

No need to apologize for not replying directly to me, I only posted about his college performance once, and didn't expect a response from you, but found it odd you ignored multiple posters asking what exactly it was that set alarms off for you about his progression while at Pitt.

I'll review the link you sent, and get back with a mea culpa if you break down all his weaknesses in his senior season (yes the one with the stats). I also get it would make sense if you've already provided your reasons on the forum, there would be no urgency to do so again. I suspect there won't be much in the link targeting his final year though.

Why not limit an analysis to his last season, it was pretty impressive. He played like shit for all of the previous four, with four seasons of work to analyze. Huh, do you think the COVID season was a great one to weight equally with others when evaluating talent? I don't, so I'm down to three previous seasons of importance to review, one of which was a freshman year with four games played and 66 pass attempts. That's another one that's probably not worth weighing as equally as the others. So that drops it to two others plus the final season that I'm going to be most interested in reading about in the forum post you referenced.

"throwing to Jordan Addison against a largely weak ACC schedule"

I thought the players you play with don't weigh much into the equation when evaluating what type of talent & future a QB has. I see that a lot in this thread when trying to rebut those who say it may be way too soon to anoint purdy as league MVP, or the next Brady.

Which do you think it is, quality of teammates matter to a QB eval, or they don't? It's doubtful anyone can sanely argue it's even close which of the two has the most supporting cast help from the players on their respective teams. Pickett with a quick midget receiver with nice hands in his last college season & the 2022-2023 Steeler's starters, or purdy with the entire SF team of studs for each game he's started. Oh yeah, let's not forget about the coaching staff, no advantages there worth a shit. For most the answer probably depends on how it might support what your trying to get across.

WRT drafting a pitt player being my yinzgasm selection, way off there buddy, I can give a rats ass about where they come from, they are all given a fair shot to go one way or another by me regardless; I am always rooting for the team to win whoever is drafted. The last time I would have yinzgasimed for a Pitt player would have been when I was watching the draft on a small B&W TV in my basement while skipping sophomore classes @Pitt, and DannyBoy was up. I almost cried when Senior sack was the selection.

Look Perch, you may be entirely spot on with your thoughts about Pickett, but to ignore the context as to why there has been regression so far this year seems to be unreasonable to me.

[SteelerDayTrader]

[Suwanee88]

A lot of shit flying around on both sides of the Pickett fence in this thread, but one great point by Perch.

No matter how bad KP plays and doesn’t produce, there’s a strong possibility that he gets extended and overpaid by this old fucking lawyer who I have been pointing out is the real problem for 10 years.

And there ain’t no way that’s going to change anytime soon.

We gave up on Johnny Unitas 80 years ago and now we have this absolute bullshit philosophy.

[K_C_]

2) you list Pickett and Canada as the only problems on offense, not a brutally bad o-line who is now starting a rookie at LT (who is Purdy’s LT. Wanna name him?) and they can neither pass nor can they run block.

I have not written Pickett off. I'll preface it by saying this.

But if I had a nickel for ever time I saw an OL maligned only to see a change at QB make them look worlds better...

Pickett is running and stepping into a lot of pressure. And he's holding the ball too long this year. He has REGRESSED from where he was last year as a rookie in processing and moving in the pocket by a lot.

Defenses are lining up in simple zone coverages and Pickett doesn't know where the hell he should go with the football. And this isn't a young Ben thing where he is even trying to hit the homerun play every snap. Pickett is captain checkdown so far in his career...and he still can't be decisive with his passes.

It’s not just how awful the o-line is (and make no mistake, they’ve been awful.)

It’s also that this o-line has been put in a position to be extra awful by Matt Canada which obviously puts Kenny Pickett in a position to be awful too.

Remember Canada’s first 6 plays, which were probably scripted? Up the gut twice for nothing. No push at all for Harris and Kenny is in third and long. Pickens forgets to come back for a back shoulder throw. Punt.

Rinse and repeat on the second drive. I mean EXACT same play calls so while the o-line BLOWS, they also have not been put in a position to succeed……which……follow the dominos.

[Steelperch]

You can credit Shanahan’s system all you want, but Jimmy G...[was] mostly ass in it compared to Purdy.

wut?

As a 49er, Jimmy G had a 38-17 record, a Super Bowl appearance, and currently has the 6th highest QB Rating in NFL History.

Jimmy G's biggest problem in San Fran was that he couldn't stay healthy.

Purdy as a rookie Mr. Irrelevant has outperformed the veteran Jimmy G in SF every way a QB can.

Completion % Purdy 69.3 to 67.6 for Jimmy G
QB Rating Purdy 114.4 to 99.6 for Jimmy G
Win % Purdy 100% to 69% for Jimmy G
YPA Purdy 8.6 to 8.3 for Jimmy G
TD % Purdy 7.2% to 5.6% for Jimmy G
INT % Purdy 1.3% to 2.6% for Jimmy G
Sack % Purdy 5.8% to 6.6% for Jimmy G
ANY/A Purdy 8.6 to 7.2 for Jimmy G
On target pass % Purdy 72.3 to 66.2% for Jimmy G

That’s two guys in the same offense, same supporting cast, same coach and play callers. One guys was a 3rd string rookie thrust into the starting lineup. The other was a prime of his career veteran. Purdy is improving every week. Don’t discount the fact he didn’t take reps with the starters in camp as a rookie and missed all of camp this year with an injury.

[K_C_]

There were half a dozen other QB needy teams in the draft ahead of the Steelers and they all passed on Pickett for a reason.

Oh this is rich.

Ahem.....

Now do Purdy. How many teams passed on Purdy....over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.....I think you get it.

Did you have him going to the Steelers early in the draft? Why not?

[Mick]

These are all “water is wet” obvious statements at this point:

(1) Purdy is significantly better than Garoppolo
(2) Purdy appears to be very good, he might be Great
(3) Purdy is pretty close to the ‘lowest ceiling’, least physically talented QB in the NFL
(4) Garoppolo is not very good
(5) Garoppolo’s number under Shanahan are great
(6) Garoppolo is significantly better than Mullens
(7) Mullens is bad
(8) Mullens numbers under Shanahan are wildly better than what Ben, Trubisky, or Rudolph were able to put up under Canada

[Pabst]

You can credit Shanahan’s system all you want, but Jimmy G...[was] mostly ass in it compared to Purdy.

wut?

As a 49er, Jimmy G had a 38-17 record, a Super Bowl appearance, and currently has the 6th highest QB Rating in NFL History.

Jimmy G's biggest problem in San Fran was that he couldn't stay healthy.

Purdy as a rookie Mr. Irrelevant has outperformed the veteran Jimmy G in SF every way a QB can.

Completion % Purdy 69.3 to 67.6 for Jimmy G
QB Rating Purdy 114.4 to 99.6 for Jimmy G
Win % Purdy 100% to 69% for Jimmy G
YPA Purdy 8.6 to 8.3 for Jimmy G
TD % Purdy 7.2% to 5.6% for Jimmy G
INT % Purdy 1.3% to 2.6% for Jimmy G
Sack % Purdy 5.8% to 6.6% for Jimmy G
ANY/A Purdy 8.6 to 7.2 for Jimmy G
On target pass % Purdy 72.3 to 66.2% for Jimmy G

That’s two guys in the same offense, same supporting cast, same coach and play callers. One guys was a 3rd string rookie thrust into the starting lineup. The other was a prime of his career veteran. Purdy is improving every week. Don’t discount the fact he didn’t take reps with the starters in camp as a rookie and missed all of camp this year with an injury.

That's great...but it's also not what you said in your initial post.

You said that Jimmy G was "mostly ass", and that's completely false.

[bradshaw2ben]

Canada is only part of the problem.

Was flipping thru some of my old posts and came across this:

Over on the offensive side, the Steelers went 3 and out on 5 of 8 first half drives. The other 3 drives were turnovers. But sure, the D was the problem

^ that post is about the loss to the Bengals......in 2020.

If we're having these same issues 3 years and 3 QBs later, I'd argue Canada is a bit more than "part" of the problem

You're missing the other constant: the head coach and his unbelievable dedication to dumb and utterly risk-averse offense.

[Pabst]

Canada is only part of the problem.

Was flipping thru some of my old posts and came across this:

Over on the offensive side, the Steelers went 3 and out on 5 of 8 first half drives. The other 3 drives were turnovers. But sure, the D was the problem

^ that post is about the loss to the Bengals......in 2020.

If we're having these same issues 3 years and 3 QBs later, I'd argue Canada is a bit more than "part" of the problem

You're missing the other constant: the head coach and his unbelievable dedication to dumb and utterly risk-averse offense.

That's fair.

[bradshaw2ben]

"Hey sorry kid if I don’t follow you around the board replying to your every whim. Why are you limiting Pickett to his Senior year of college"

Guess it shows you really can't tell much from internet posts. You may be old enough to call me kid, but that would only be apt if you've been collecting social security and popping the little blue pill for a while already. I'm confident I could easily converse intelligently about early 1970s to current day Steelers games, players, and history, with you, or anyone else on this board. My insights would be from actually watching the games live, not checking online historical stats archives. Not that age matters for this discussion.

No need to apologize for not replying directly to me, I only posted about his college performance once, and didn't expect a response from you, but found it odd you ignored multiple posters asking what exactly it was that set alarms off for you about his progression while at Pitt.

I'll review the link you sent, and get back with a mea culpa if you break down all his weaknesses in his senior season (yes the one with the stats). I also get it would make sense if you've already provided your reasons on the forum, there would be no urgency to do so again. I suspect there won't be much in the link targeting his final year though.

Why not limit an analysis to his last season, it was pretty impressive. He played like shit for all of the previous four, with four seasons of work to analyze. Huh, do you think the COVID season was a great one to weight equally with others when evaluating talent? I don't, so I'm down to three previous seasons of importance to review, one of which was a freshman year with four games played and 66 pass attempts. That's another one that's probably not worth weighing as equally as the others. So that drops it to two others plus the final season that I'm going to be most interested in reading about in the forum post you referenced.

"throwing to Jordan Addison against a largely weak ACC schedule"

I thought the players you play with don't weigh much into the equation when evaluating what type of talent & future a QB has. I see that a lot in this thread when trying to rebut those who say it may be way too soon to anoint purdy as league MVP, or the next Brady.

Which do you think it is, quality of teammates matter to a QB eval, or they don't? It's doubtful anyone can sanely argue it's even close which of the two has the most supporting cast help from the players on their respective teams. Pickett with a quick midget receiver with nice hands in his last college season & the 2022-2023 Steeler's starters, or purdy with the entire SF team of studs for each game he's started. Oh yeah, let's not forget about the coaching staff, no advantages there worth a shit. For most the answer probably depends on how it might support what your trying to get across.

WRT drafting a pitt player being my yinzgasm selection, way off there buddy, I can give a rats ass about where they come from, they are all given a fair shot to go one way or another by me regardless; I am always rooting for the team to win whoever is drafted. The last time I would have yinzgasimed for a Pitt player would have been when I was watching the draft on a small B&W TV in my basement while skipping sophomore classes @Pitt, and DannyBoy was up. I almost cried when Senior sack was the selection.

Look Perch, you may be entirely spot on with your thoughts about Pickett, but to ignore the context as to why there has been regression so far this year seems to be unreasonable to me.

Playing QB in college is about 100 times easier than playing it in the NFL. The hashes are wider, defenders are slower, there are fewer gamewrecker DL/EDGE-- there's so much more room in which to throw. I think it's inarguably the hardest position to scout in terms of MNFL projection because their college job is the least like what they'll do at the next level.

I can't speak for Perch or anyone else evaluating college QBs, but I found many red flags from Kenny's "Heisman" candidate season. I love a QB who is daring AND has the arm to back it up. Kenny out of structure certainly had some stones but right away I was concerned those off-platform throws against the grain into tighter spaces vs faster defenders would be an issue for him and A. it was and B. it continues to be... he has just subverted it from throwing wild INTs to being wholly conditioned into not taking any chances, as if his life depended on it.

But that wasn't the worst of it. The innate desire to bail on a clean pocket and or drift from a clean pocket into pressure is just one of those things you see in QBs. Very hard instinct to break once you've been doing it for 10+ amateur years. When I watch him now, he seems to be acutely aware that he doesn't have the arm he once thought he did, so now he's rushing his motion, overthrowing, drifting in the direction he wants to throw, not making tight throws, etc. The reason he is regressing is: that's a lot to have to worry about in terms of compensation, teams have him pretty figured out, and his processing isn't fast enough to accommodate all of that in 2 seconds. No shame in that: it would overwhelm almost any human.

His offense hurts him in a multitude of ways but he lacks either the quick processing or huge arm talent to overcome it. All the short routes are probably to encourage him to get rid of the ball quickly. The desire to run way way too much on 1st and second downs leaves him with high leverage 3rd downs where the defense 100% knows what's coming. Everything is compacted into a smaller and smaller space. Even the deep throws (with one exception this season) are all low-risk sideline balls. Worst-case, it's a punt. When facing no pressure and getting a favorable 1 on 1 matchup with no safety help, he seems very good at that this year. The backshoulder throws to Pickens. His ability to run if the defense gives him Man-to-Man coverage and the play call happens to have multiple go routes? Terrific.

Where is he going to get with that? It seems especially tough in a Steelers-desired world where you don't get any easy throws and points are at a premium. Mistakes are magnified. You have to really shine and elevate the play around you if you hope to succeed.

[jmacinwbp]

B2B,

Thanks for the well thought out, and detailed reply. There are some things in it that I really didn't look for when watching most of Pickett's final season at Pitt. What you listed is easier for me to absorb and review, vs. things like "not throwing receivers open", which is a phrase I always hated, even back when there were Ben doubters using it.

I saw many successful out of structure plays in his last Pitt year, but looked at them as a positive for a future NFL QB, because it's one of the things that I've always thought as important to see, since there aren't many who do that well when they need to break from the plan (BB7s alien like ability in this area is why I immediately loved his game).

To my eyes, after last year's bye, out of structure was one of KP8s strengths, didn't see enough of them, but when they were necessary e.g. when play calling was less of a deterrent at the end of games, the success was there. Also, didn't realize he always tended to leave clean pockets in his non pro career, even when his Online was stout, or clearly superior to what was on the other side. If I can still find some Pitt replays online, will review them looking for bailing on clean pockets.

Perch's link wasn't very helpful from my perspective, completely stats based analysis, and with what seemed to me, using rigged stats anyway...guess it was intentional (maybe because of there being a one season outlier for Pickett), but keeping in the most productive season for every QB listed in his responses, except for Pickett, where his best season was missing, didn't seem to be a useful way to compare how much better the others stats were compared to Pickett's, if you're using them to predict future viability in the NFL.

After reviewing that link, and his latest responses in this thread, think I get where he's coming from. Seems like his takes are primarily based on what he sees in the statistical trends, without much consideration for any external context. Which is fine, and probably going to be predictive most of the time, but I like to go beyond stats when evaluating players on our team, and wait at least 2-3 seasons before definitely bailing, unless of course there are no redeeming qualities in the player.

I still see some in Pickett, with a few showing on the all 22 of the ratbitds game I watched early this morning. Gotta watch it again, focusing exclusively on the Offense, and KP8 specifically, but I didn't see anywhere near the amount of bailing from a clean pocket, or even happy feet, from him this week vs. most of the previous games this season. Saw some other positives too, and plan on noting them on the next view, but there were probably two, maybe three throws if you include the Robinson falling down in the end zone throw, that I don't see how the hell the ball goes there.

This was a trend I noticed right out of the gate in game one of this season (some wildly inaccurate passes), that I saw some of in the latter part of last year, but no where near as much as this year. It was inexplicable to me, was thinking maybe he still hadn't figured out how to account for the extra thickness, and possible arm strength, from his off season training, but your reason of over rushing the motion seems more plausible.

[Jams]

All the more reason to look at players in the draft with big upside late

You never know. Why not take a chance ?

Purdy would be out of the NFL if we drafted him. Did that dude last year even get a chance?

[Dan Smith--BYU]

The fact that Joe Montana found the perfect coach for his skill set in Bill Walsh takes nothing away from Joe Montana.

it very well could have been the case that Marino would have been good but not great had the Noll Steelers drafted him. He found his perfect coach as well.

[Steelperch]

Itz AlL BeCauSe of ThE coaCh and suPPortInG cAST

[Mick]

Itz AlL BeCauSe of ThE coaCh and suPPortInG cAST

Purdy is currently the statistically best QB in the league. Some of it is that he’s good, some is the system, and some is the talent around him.

Do you think he’s better than Mahomes?

[Mick]

So this kind of summarizes things.

https://twitter.com/arjunmenon100/statu ... 4141809820

[K_C_]

Itz AlL BeCauSe of ThE coaCh and suPPortInG cAST

Purdy is currently the statistically best QB in the league. Some of it is that he’s good, some is the system, and some is the talent around him.

Do you think he’s better than Mahomes?

He’s not even in the same stratosphere as Mahomes.

[ToddHaleysNineIron]

https://x.com/arjunmenon100/status/1712 ... 09820?s=20

That's what an offensive coordinator can do for you.

Brock Purdy gets far more broken coverages than any other QB in the league.

The man facing full coverage more than anyone? Kenny Pickett.
47% of all passing plays are considered fully covered... there is only one other team over 40%.

Trying to evaluate QB's without taking into consideration what they face is stupid. Put Brock Purdy with Matt Canada... and he doesn't look the same.

Consequently the Steelers have played the two best defenses in terms of coverage... the Browns and the 49ers... although I would imagine the Steelers pathetic offensive system padded both those teams numbers in the early weeks.