Muth's Knee

[K_C_]

Any word on his condition?

That did not look good.

[Steelperch]

Tomlin said he and Olszewski are being evaluated, no updates.

[Jizz Mop]

I assume it’s bad

If so he’d miss start of season

Hope I’m wrong and it’s not a serious knee injury

[K_C_]

Yeah, I hope it isn't too bad but I expect it will be.

Might make adding another TE a priority.

[steelmann58]

yes adding a te might be needed there if Muth is out long term

[langer]

They have an adequate TE stable. Heyward will come along and so will Gentry. Heyward gives the team a lot of options.

Muth is awesome of course.

[bradshaw2ben]

I think a legit two-way TE would be a great addition, especially if Muth’s knee injury is serious.

Even when 88 is healthy, letting him focus on being the receiving focal point who can block while #2 is true blocker who can be a receiving threat would prolong his effective years.

[stillthere]

They have an adequate TE stable. Heyward will come along and so will Gentry. Heyward gives the team a lot of options.

Muth is awesome of course.

I think Gentry is an UFA in a few months so the question is what is it going to cost to keep him on the team instead of using Kendrick Green like Baltimore uses their 300lb FB/HB pulling guard Picard.

[SteelerDayTrader]

I think a legit two-way TE would be a great addition, especially if Muth’s knee injury is serious.

Even when 88 is healthy, letting him focus on being the receiving focal point who can block while #2 is true blocker who can be a receiving threat would prolong his effective years.

[Steelperch]

I think a legit two-way TE would be a great addition, especially if Muth’s knee injury is serious.

Even when 88 is healthy, letting him focus on being the receiving focal point who can block while #2 is true blocker who can be a receiving threat would prolong his effective years.

I would argue the combo of Heyward/Genrty is a very cost effect #2 2-way TE. No need to spend good resources on a high end #2 TE. I can’t think of many teams outside of the Pats with Gronk /Hernandez that tried to feature 2 high end TEs. Also, I would say there aren’t more than a handful of TEs in the league better than Freiermuth. He’s very much like Heath Miller was for this team. Might not put up crazy fantasy’s stats, but he’s there for a big play when you need him.

[COR-TEN]

WTF? This business of a TE who is either a blocking lineman or a receiver is bullshit. I don't fucking get it.

You block, and you split the seams with good hands. Why the fuck is it so hard to do both? I understand the roles shit, but WTF? Block AND catch the damn ball

[bradshaw2ben]

WTF? This business of a TE who is either a blocking lineman or a receiver is bullshit. I don't fucking get it.

You block, and you split the seams with good hands. Why the fuck is it so hard to do both? I understand the roles shit, but WTF? Block AND catch the damn ball

Well, if you read what I wrote, I'm advocating for another guy who can do both but is perhaps better than Muth as a blocker and almost as good as a receiver. Or something like that. Just so Muth doesn't have to get killed as the primary blocker every game for a team who wants to run like it's the early 90s.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Darnell Washington cmon down…..

[DP39]

Darnell Washington cmon down…..

I've seen every one of his college snaps and have been calling for us to draft him since early-season.

With the right coaching, he could easily be as good or better than Mercedes Lewis blocking (best in the league), a top 5 receiving TE, and serious end zone threat. If he stayed healthy, I could see him being extremely effective in that role for more than a decade. That's certainly worth pick 32 to me.

[Jobu]

With the right coaching…

And there’s the issue.

[DP39]

With the right coaching…

And there’s the issue.

Touché.

I still think they like/accept Moore at LT. They'll choose to save $ at that position. It's one of the reasons they like a mobile QB, imo. Robbing Peter to pay Paul, if you will.

You park Darnell Washington's ass next to Moore on a lot of plays and he's immediately a better LT -- now Moore only has to worry about the bull or inside rush (it seems outside edge has ben his bugaboo). He also has someone that can do real damage chipping on his way out on a route. Gives Moore that extra second he needs to be a better LT.

Needless to say, I say a ton of synergy with a guy like Washington at TE/extra-OL -- and Tomlin loves him some "the more you can do."

[Ice]

No problems whatsoever with Washington at 32. Addresses a new weapon for KP, Muth insurance and some run game help all at once.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Darnell Washington cmon down…..

I've seen every one of his college snaps and have been calling for us to draft him since early-season.

With the right coaching, he could easily be as good or better than Mercedes Lewis blocking (best in the league), a top 5 receiving TE, and serious end zone threat. If he stayed healthy, I could see him being extremely effective in that role for more than a decade. That's certainly worth pick 32 to me.

[SteelerDayTrader]

With the right coaching…

And there’s the issue.

Touché.

I still think they like/accept Moore at LT. They'll choose to save $ at that position. It's one of the reasons they like a mobile QB, imo. Robbing Peter to pay Paul, if you will.

You park Darnell Washington's ass next to Moore on a lot of plays and he's immediately a better LT -- now Moore only has to worry about the bull or inside rush (it seems outside edge has ben his bugaboo). He also has someone that can do real damage chipping on his way out on a route. Gives Moore that extra second he needs to be a better LT.

Needless to say, I say a ton of synergy with a guy like Washington at TE/extra-OL -- and Tomlin loves him some "the more you can do."

[bradshaw2ben]

I think a legit two-way TE would be a great addition, especially if Muth’s knee injury is serious.

Even when 88 is healthy, letting him focus on being the receiving focal point who can block while #2 is true blocker who can be a receiving threat would prolong his effective years.

I would argue the combo of Heyward/Genrty is a very cost effect #2 2-way TE. No need to spend good resources on a high end #2 TE. I can’t think of many teams outside of the Pats with Gronk /Hernandez that tried to feature 2 high end TEs. Also, I would say there aren’t more than a handful of TEs in the league better than Freiermuth. He’s very much like Heath Miller was for this team. Might not put up crazy fantasy’s stats, but he’s there for a big play when you need him.

The Steelers want to run the bejesus out of the ball. 2 TE sets with either 2 WRs or 1 WR + Heyward/Warren would be a nice way to accomplish that. Gentry is too high cut to seriously do either job. Heyward can do quite a few things, from the looks of it, but banging Freiermuth into big bodies all game long isn't going to work out long-term with his concussion history and now the potential knee injury. Better to have Freiermuth get that pulling vs smaller targets blocking job that he excels at. I pretty much have no need to see either Gentry nor Heyward line up inline and be tasked to block DL or big LBs

[Orangesteel]

Freiermuth is in the good not great category. And it appears he’s often injured. Why can’t we shoot for an elite TE threat like other teams do (Waller, Kittle, Kelce, Andrews, Pitts, etc.?) especially if the TE is soooooo involved in whatever small ball bullshit that Tomlin wants to trot out there?

[gojira5150]

Freiermuth is in the good not great category. And it appears he’s often injured. Why can’t we shoot for an elite TE threat like other teams do (Waller, Kittle, Kelce, Andrews, Pitts, etc.?) especially if the TE is soooooo involved in whatever small ball bullshit that Tomlin wants to trot out there?

What about TE Michael Mayer from Notre Dame . Dude looks like a Balla

[SteelPro]

I think a legit two-way TE would be a great addition, especially if Muth’s knee injury is serious.

Even when 88 is healthy, letting him focus on being the receiving focal point who can block while #2 is true blocker who can be a receiving threat would prolong his effective years.

I would argue the combo of Heyward/Genrty is a very cost effect #2 2-way TE. No need to spend good resources on a high end #2 TE. I can’t think of many teams outside of the Pats with Gronk /Hernandez that tried to feature 2 high end TEs. Also, I would say there aren’t more than a handful of TEs in the league better than Freiermuth. He’s very much like Heath Miller was for this team. Might not put up crazy fantasy’s stats, but he’s there for a big play when you need him.

The Steelers want to run the bejesus out of the ball. 2 TE sets with either 2 WRs or 1 WR + Heyward/Warren would be a nice way to accomplish that. Gentry is too high cut to seriously do either job. Heyward can do quite a few things, from the looks of it, but banging Freiermuth into big bodies all game long isn't going to work out long-term with his concussion history and now the potential knee injury. Better to have Freiermuth get that pulling vs smaller targets blocking job that he excels at. I pretty much have no need to see either Gentry nor Heyward line up inline and be tasked to block DL or big LBs

They could really add two TEs. Heyward really should really just take the lesser Watt’s roster spot. He could do everything Watt does and a whole lot more. So upgrade Gentry, replace Watt with a true position player (perhaps a TE), Heyward’s hybrid role expands and takes on all of Watt’s role.

[bradshaw2ben]

I would argue the combo of Heyward/Genrty is a very cost effect #2 2-way TE. No need to spend good resources on a high end #2 TE. I can’t think of many teams outside of the Pats with Gronk /Hernandez that tried to feature 2 high end TEs. Also, I would say there aren’t more than a handful of TEs in the league better than Freiermuth. He’s very much like Heath Miller was for this team. Might not put up crazy fantasy’s stats, but he’s there for a big play when you need him.

The Steelers want to run the bejesus out of the ball. 2 TE sets with either 2 WRs or 1 WR + Heyward/Warren would be a nice way to accomplish that. Gentry is too high cut to seriously do either job. Heyward can do quite a few things, from the looks of it, but banging Freiermuth into big bodies all game long isn't going to work out long-term with his concussion history and now the potential knee injury. Better to have Freiermuth get that pulling vs smaller targets blocking job that he excels at. I pretty much have no need to see either Gentry nor Heyward line up inline and be tasked to block DL or big LBs

They could really add two TEs. Heyward really should really just take the lesser Watt’s roster spot. He could do everything Watt does and a whole lot more. So upgrade Gentry, replace Watt with a true position player (perhaps a TE), Heyward’s hybrid role expands and takes on all of Watt’s role.

Exactamundo. For a team that likes to run it (see Baltimore and Tennessee), you can never have enough great TEs.

[DP39]

I would argue the combo of Heyward/Genrty is a very cost effect #2 2-way TE. No need to spend good resources on a high end #2 TE. I can’t think of many teams outside of the Pats with Gronk /Hernandez that tried to feature 2 high end TEs. Also, I would say there aren’t more than a handful of TEs in the league better than Freiermuth. He’s very much like Heath Miller was for this team. Might not put up crazy fantasy’s stats, but he’s there for a big play when you need him.

The Steelers want to run the bejesus out of the ball. 2 TE sets with either 2 WRs or 1 WR + Heyward/Warren would be a nice way to accomplish that. Gentry is too high cut to seriously do either job. Heyward can do quite a few things, from the looks of it, but banging Freiermuth into big bodies all game long isn't going to work out long-term with his concussion history and now the potential knee injury. Better to have Freiermuth get that pulling vs smaller targets blocking job that he excels at. I pretty much have no need to see either Gentry nor Heyward line up inline and be tasked to block DL or big LBs

They could really add two TEs. Heyward really should really just take the lesser Watt’s roster spot. He could do everything Watt does and a whole lot more. So upgrade Gentry, replace Watt with a true position player (perhaps a TE), Heyward’s hybrid role expands and takes on all of Watt’s role.

Wouldn't hurt my feelings at all if Derek decided to follow JJ into retirement in the next few weeks. Only way I bring him back is a one year, non-G$, vet minimum.

[Greeksteel]

Gerry Dulac
@gerrydulac
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Good news for TE Pat Freiermuth: He has MCL/ACL sprain but does not need surgery.

[Ice]

Gerry Dulac
@gerrydulac
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10s
Good news for TE Pat Freiermuth: He has MCL/ACL sprain but does not need surgery.

Definitely good news there. A lot of the points made about upgrading the position are still valid, though. If I could lose Gentry and Baby Watt and roll into next season with Muth, Washington and Heyward (TE/HB/FB), I'd consider that an upgrade all around.

[stillthere]

MCL sprain and no surgery for Pat. Hearing it via Matt Williamson podcast.

[COR-TEN]

I also don't get the Gentry hatred. I'd keep him and release watt as a fullback/ keep c. heyward.

[stillthere]

I also don't get the Gentry hatred. I'd keep him and release watt as a fullback/ keep c. heyward.

People have hated Gentry since we drafted him out of scUM. All the kid has done is progress slowly to the point where he is a legitimate NFL player but never will he be a star. Depending on the money I would not mind seeing him brought back. He is also the emergency QB. That is a rule the league is going to need to address going forward. Each team is going to need to have 3 QB's dressed on game day going forward.