Two marks of a good team

[TimmayLake]

2 key indicator that your team is actually good is you can:

1. Win close games (meaning 1 score games)
2. Win even when you are neutral or negative in the turnover ratio

Have the Steelers won any games this year where they were 0 or - in the TO ratio?

[lifelongsteel]

Maybe the mark of a good team is that they can curb stomp another team. Just line up and kick ass. Like the Rams/Hawks/Lions yesterday afternoon.

When was the last time the Steelers had a game similar to the ones those teams had yesterday?

[daikyu]

Is Buffalo a good team?

They just got curb stomped by Miami.

[bradshaw2ben]

Is Buffalo a good team?

They just got curb stomped by Miami.

You're allowed one of those or maybe two per season. No explanations, no excuses... just shit went sideways. Some of the greatest Steelers teams of my lifetime had embarrassing, complete beatdowns. 2008 Steelers at Philly. 1979 Steelers lost 34-10 to the Bengals and 35-7 to the Chargers.

But this season is much more like the decisive wins with a lot of turnovers generated are the outlier.

[Ice]

And even "decisive" wins end up being by one score by the time the gun sounds.

[Steelafan77]

‘Two marks of a good team’

Your offense can score 6’s from anywhere on the field especially inside the 20….consistently

Your defense can Stop your opponents anywhere on the field especially inside the 20….consistently

[SteelerDayTrader]

- Steelers ownership thinks VERY differently than us here. We think about wins and Lombardis. They think about continually increasing profits and continually decreasing expectations

- Consider this. On paper if you have a bad team you will eventually start losing money. At least in the if your not growing your dying sense. No NFL ownership wants that longterm. However, a truly great contending team requires a lot on every level and that definitely includes money. So the theoretical question becomes how can me the owner continue to increase profits AND decrease expectations and ongoing costs at the same time ???

- Imagine a football team most of us here would enjoy and be excited about. Most of us here although we’d have different approaches and methods we would be focused on winning and continually building. Kinda simple in its essence.

Then imagine a team controlled by people who understand intimately that a consistently winning team requires ongoing constant work. Then imagine that those people aren’t really interested in the work they merely want the massive profits to continue to escalate

Well the first thing they’d do is hire someone to run things and do all the things they’d rather not

Now that seems easy until you get back to the whole winning and being Lombardi competitive thing. That shit is hard. Even when you are committed to it. It’s exceptionally hard to find a great coach and at the same time provide him his perfect platform to excel. Much of the time even committed ownership and great coaches just can’t get all the planets aligned. The NFL isn’t easy. And you need a good amount of luck even when you are the best team on paper


Suppose you’re useless greedy fuck face buffoons like the Rooney’s. You aren’t inclined to want to be consumed by winning. You just really like the cash.

You’ve hired your figureheads. Now you’ve got to figure out how to keep a team not committed to winning profitable

One way you do that is for years and years, decade after decade make the team about something other than winning. Something other than reality

Make it a myth

Make it something that “fans” hold on to more than winning

Sell the myth

Sell the fantasy

Soon it will become about something other than being a legit contender

It will become an ethos that functions more in fans imaginations than the reality

It will become an affirmation of things fans want to believe

When you can line up people as willing brainwash victims because they want to believe more than they want to be honest……

You can pretty much put anything on the field

[StillerDownSouth]

Well said sir, and since about 2017 all they have put on the field is a shit product.

[Deebo]

- Steelers ownership thinks VERY differently than us here. We think about wins and Lombardis. They think about continually increasing profits and continually decreasing expectations

- Consider this. On paper if you have a bad team you will eventually start losing money. At least in the if your not growing your dying sense. No NFL ownership wants that longterm. However, a truly great contending team requires a lot on every level and that definitely includes money. So the theoretical question becomes how can me the owner continue to increase profits AND decrease expectations and ongoing costs at the same time ???

- Imagine a football team most of us here would enjoy and be excited about. Most of us here although we’d have different approaches and methods we would be focused on winning and continually building. Kinda simple in its essence.

Then imagine a team controlled by people who understand intimately that a consistently winning team requires ongoing constant work. Then imagine that those people aren’t really interested in the work they merely want the massive profits to continue to escalate

Well the first thing they’d do is hire someone to run things and do all the things they’d rather not

Now that seems easy until you get back to the whole winning and being Lombardi competitive thing. That shit is hard. Even when you are committed to it. It’s exceptionally hard to find a great coach and at the same time provide him his perfect platform to excel. Much of the time even committed ownership and great coaches just can’t get all the planets aligned. The NFL isn’t easy. And you need a good amount of luck even when you are the best team on paper


Suppose you’re useless greedy fuck face buffoons like the Rooney’s. You aren’t inclined to want to be consumed by winning. You just really like the cash.

You’ve hired your figureheads. Now you’ve got to figure out how to keep a team not committed to winning profitable

One way you do that is for years and years, decade after decade make the team about something other than winning. Something other than reality

Make it a myth

Make it something that “fans” hold on to more than winning

Sell the myth

Sell the fantasy

Soon it will become about something other than being a legit contender

It will become an ethos that functions more in fans imaginations than the reality

It will become an affirmation of things fans want to believe

When you can line up people as willing brainwash victims because they want to believe more than they want to be honest……

You can pretty much put anything on the field

Spot the fuck on

[bradshaw2ben]

- Steelers ownership thinks VERY differently than us here. We think about wins and Lombardis. They think about continually increasing profits and continually decreasing expectations

- Consider this. On paper if you have a bad team you will eventually start losing money. At least in the if your not growing your dying sense. No NFL ownership wants that longterm. However, a truly great contending team requires a lot on every level and that definitely includes money. So the theoretical question becomes how can me the owner continue to increase profits AND decrease expectations and ongoing costs at the same time ???

- Imagine a football team most of us here would enjoy and be excited about. Most of us here although we’d have different approaches and methods we would be focused on winning and continually building. Kinda simple in its essence.

Then imagine a team controlled by people who understand intimately that a consistently winning team requires ongoing constant work. Then imagine that those people aren’t really interested in the work they merely want the massive profits to continue to escalate

Well the first thing they’d do is hire someone to run things and do all the things they’d rather not

Now that seems easy until you get back to the whole winning and being Lombardi competitive thing. That shit is hard. Even when you are committed to it. It’s exceptionally hard to find a great coach and at the same time provide him his perfect platform to excel. Much of the time even committed ownership and great coaches just can’t get all the planets aligned. The NFL isn’t easy. And you need a good amount of luck even when you are the best team on paper


Suppose you’re useless greedy fuck face buffoons like the Rooney’s. You aren’t inclined to want to be consumed by winning. You just really like the cash.

You’ve hired your figureheads. Now you’ve got to figure out how to keep a team not committed to winning profitable

One way you do that is for years and years, decade after decade make the team about something other than winning. Something other than reality

Make it a myth

Make it something that “fans” hold on to more than winning

Sell the myth

Sell the fantasy

Soon it will become about something other than being a legit contender

It will become an ethos that functions more in fans imaginations than the reality

It will become an affirmation of things fans want to believe

When you can line up people as willing brainwash victims because they want to believe more than they want to be honest……

You can pretty much put anything on the field

Boom goes the dynamite

[Gonzo]

Excellent post …
The current Steelers and their HC are an intentionally created and well-scripted myth built on the back of a hard-earned and real tradition of excellence, creativty and character (even the bad or sketch ones )
Our only hope of change is the Rooneys deciding Tomlin can no longer carry that fiction forward and they need a new story

[SteelerDayTrader]

In regards to the Steelers I think it’s very obvious Art never really gave two fucks about the team at all

Dan grew up a rich wealthy kid and was looking for his purpose in life beyond being wealthy and he found it organizing and motivating the Rooney family to give a shit.

Noll Dan and everyone else involved got very lucky in landing Bradshaw

Without question one of the greatest QBs to ever play and very easily in the discussion for the single best ever

While at the same time quite probably the single greatest athlete to ever play QB and very easily in the discussion as the best football athlete at any position


Without him MAYBE Franco and that defense pull off a miracle season in 75’

But that would’ve been it

Bradshaw carried that team to any and all greatness it was ever gonna have

I’m quite certain the Rooney clan learned ALL ABOUT Pittsburgh fan psychology during that period and have ridden it without fail ever since

I doubt Dan ever gave in to the easier more relaxed route. His teams did always seem to build towards something. However it’s pretty apparent he did promote the ethos. He did go along with propagating the myth

He got very lucky again with Roethlisberger. A guy much like Bradshaw in that any Steeler team mediocre or not always had at least a punchers chance even against the very best.

Argue all you want but Dan was fully responsible for all the Steelers Super Bowl appearances regardless of Art 2’s status on paper


When the Dan era was finally extinguished you really began to see the Rooney clan understanding of wealth, the easy life, ethos and myth, and selling the event much moreso than the outcome, take hold as the real Steeler way

I’m quite certain they FUCKING LOVE Tomlin

They’d suck his dick and balls and lick his taint repeatedly if he wanted

Hes probably the best face of franchise guy in NFL history

I can’t think of another HC even close

He does ALL the REALLY HARD WORK better than anyone ever. I’m very certain clan Rooney tunes in EVERY media session and hoots and hollers chest bumping fist pumping and most of all butt fucking all the way to the bank

Add in the fact that Tomlin seems like one of those black guys who works until he has white hair at 83 and the Rooneys have to be absolutely thrilled

They don’t have to do shit for several more decades

[tbsteel]

- Steelers ownership thinks VERY differently than us here. We think about wins and Lombardis. They think about continually increasing profits and continually decreasing expectations

- Consider this. On paper if you have a bad team you will eventually start losing money. At least in the if your not growing your dying sense. No NFL ownership wants that longterm. However, a truly great contending team requires a lot on every level and that definitely includes money. So the theoretical question becomes how can me the owner continue to increase profits AND decrease expectations and ongoing costs at the same time ???

- Imagine a football team most of us here would enjoy and be excited about. Most of us here although we’d have different approaches and methods we would be focused on winning and continually building. Kinda simple in its essence.

Then imagine a team controlled by people who understand intimately that a consistently winning team requires ongoing constant work. Then imagine that those people aren’t really interested in the work they merely want the massive profits to continue to escalate

Well the first thing they’d do is hire someone to run things and do all the things they’d rather not

Now that seems easy until you get back to the whole winning and being Lombardi competitive thing. That shit is hard. Even when you are committed to it. It’s exceptionally hard to find a great coach and at the same time provide him his perfect platform to excel. Much of the time even committed ownership and great coaches just can’t get all the planets aligned. The NFL isn’t easy. And you need a good amount of luck even when you are the best team on paper


Suppose you’re useless greedy fuck face buffoons like the Rooney’s. You aren’t inclined to want to be consumed by winning. You just really like the cash.

You’ve hired your figureheads. Now you’ve got to figure out how to keep a team not committed to winning profitable

One way you do that is for years and years, decade after decade make the team about something other than winning. Something other than reality

Make it a myth

Make it something that “fans” hold on to more than winning

Sell the myth

Sell the fantasy

Soon it will become about something other than being a legit contender

It will become an ethos that functions more in fans imaginations than the reality

It will become an affirmation of things fans want to believe

When you can line up people as willing brainwash victims because they want to believe more than they want to be honest……

You can pretty much put anything on the field

Naaaaaaaaaaailed it.

[langer]

You can package this garbage for the masses, have the coach's wife sell t-shirts with stupid sayings and still make money.

Yep.

This is a business cycle. Dan did the hard part, he built it and we who were alive had a great experience and good memories. The Golden Years.

Monetization is now the goal. Selling stupid t-shirts through the idiot coach's stupid ass store is money in the bank.

Hmm, is this the NFL also searching for stability, they promote that using the Steeler model. Some teams don't follow through though.

[bradshaw2ben]

You can package this garbage for the masses, have the coach's wife sell t-shirts with stupid sayings and still make money.

Yep.

This is a business cycle. Dan did the hard part, he built it and we who were alive had a great experience and good memories. The Golden Years.

Monetization is now the goal. Selling stupid t-shirts through the idiot coach's stupid ass store is money in the bank.

Hmm, is this the NFL also searching for stability, they promote that using the Steeler model. Some teams don't follow through though.

Let's not forget Art, Jr. I think Dan and Art may not have always seen eye to eye and determined they should part ways regarding the team, but Dan hired Noll, Art Jr. & Noll chose MJG, welcomed Bill Nunn's input, and together they had a draft run over the next 10-15 years that might never be equalled.

It mainly worked when they had a front-office/HC team that had no weak links.

[langer]

It's always more fun to build something than to maintain and run it. Much more interesting. The 70s and 80s were the golden years for a lot of things. I was into BMX, it was being built from nothing back then, lots of freedom and creativity, fun too.

Although, every year that sort of happens with the draft, but we see how that goes. It's commoditized and bureaucratized.

[SteelerDayTrader]

You can package this garbage for the masses, have the coach's wife sell t-shirts with stupid sayings and still make money.

Yep.

This is a business cycle. Dan did the hard part, he built it and we who were alive had a great experience and good memories. The Golden Years.

Monetization is now the goal. Selling stupid t-shirts through the idiot coach's stupid ass store is money in the bank.

Hmm, is this the NFL also searching for stability, they promote that using the Steeler model. Some teams don't follow through though.

Let's not forget Art, Jr. I think Dan and Art may not have always seen eye to eye and determined they should part ways regarding the team, but Dan hired Noll, Art Jr. & Noll chose MJG, welcomed Bill Nunn's input, and together they had a draft run over the next 10-15 years that might never be equalled.

It mainly worked when they had a front-office/HC team that had no weak links.

Very true

[SteelerDayTrader]

Growing up quintessential wealthy Pittsburghers I’m sure the Rooneys were well aware of the tendency to envy/hate talent and outlier brilliance

Steel mills are a collective of grit toil misery and pain that forge an incredible strength in its sum total. There is no room in the sum total for brilliance or rarity. Just day after day after day of slow death in devotion to and self flagellation by the constant brutal sum total adoration of the crucible. Its resultant compound be damned. In the collective sum total crucible pain is beauty, death is life, struggle is joy and grit is glory.

There is no room for outliers. All must hurtle headlong into the fire. Brilliance must submit to scarring and damage far beneath its reality. All glory to the sum total

[anpsteel]

After the first four games, I said the Steelers could’ve easily been 0–4

Without those crazy turnovers, they would’ve absolutely lost several more games

In fact, the only two games where they have conceivably outplayed the opponent were against the Browns and the Vikings

Of course, both of those games the opponent was playing a back up quarterback

This team is in the bottom 10% of pretty much every category, on both sides of the ball

The exception being caused turnovers

Those turnovers are the only reason they have five instead of two wins


Mike Tomlin’s “historic” defense is about as sad as they come


This season so far, has been a true indictment upon his coaching


Just pathetic

[tbsteel]

Two marks of a good team:

1. Their team colors are not black and yellow.

2. Their head coach has normal shaped eyes.